Friday Rockpile: Playoffs Haven't Started, But the Offseason Looms
by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 7:30 AM MDT
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When is it kosher to start griping about the MLB Hot Stove season? Or just start discussing it, period? The Rockies were abysmal this season, so I was ready to start talking Hot Stove in like July. Other teams, say, the Red Sox and Braves, aren't removed enough from the season yet to really start talking about how things are going to be fixed for next year. I mean, think about it:
Terry, this was a heartbreaking loss. After rising to such heights this season, this strong of a collapse has to have people on edge about their job security, whether by trade or firing. Do you think the front office is content with Josh Reddick in RF, or will they be major players for Carlos Beltran's services?
Too soon, man.
Marlins might not be interested in Ramirez - Chicago Sun-Times
What's this? Aramis Ramirez, available again after all? This changes everything! EVERYTHING!
Realistically though, this doesn't change anything. The Rockies haven't been known to make that big leap into Free Agency, at least not in the past decade, so getting into a bidding war over an aging 3B just doesn't seem to be their style.
Then again, they're also interested in Michael Cuddyer. Maybe it's just my impression, but there almost seems to be bigger bidding wars on the 2nd best FAs at a position than the first. Not bigger in the style of "most money", but "most teams". Really, look at Cliff Lee. The Rangers and the Yankees were both in for like $140M+, and the Phillies swooped in to grab him. 3 teams. Then take a look at the next best lefty starter: Jorge De La Rosa. 5 teams, including the Pirates, Yankees, Nationals, Orioles, and Rockies.
Personally, I like watching the next-best players' adventures in Free Agency. The teams who do or don't sign the next-best out there show a bit more strategy, a bit more thought in their pursuits. You get a big name on the market like Lee or Sabathia or Teixeira or whoever, and of COURSE the Yankees are in on them. It's boring. Not just in the "weh weh your team got the guy we wanted weh weh", but more the knowing that that huge player is going to land in a big market. It's boring.
This offseason looks to be a really interesting one, in my opinion. There isn't one giant FA out there that every big team is going to want to grab. There's a lot of B-listers and questionable-former-A-listers. A lot of teams will be in the running for these names this year.
Of course, this kind of boredom in its predictability is entirely trumped by the Jayson Werth deals of this world. You do sometimes get the team that has no business being in on the big name player actually going for the big name player, and acquiring the big name player. Other times, you have the medium name player being picked up by the team having no business being in on the big name player, but they pay the medium name player big name player dollars anyhow. That does tend to spice things up. By which, of course, I mean it ruins the market for the other 25 teams.
So the Rockies might get publicly interested in Aramis Ramirez. Then the Tigers will also throw their hat in the ring along with the Mariners and maybe even the Brewers or Twins, and the Rockies will shy away almost instantly. They'll continue pursuing Michael Cuddyer, and then the teams that miss out on Beltran and Ramirez will suddenly come a-calling, and the Rockies will hang their heads and move on. Then they'll give Wilson Betemit a 3-year deal worth around $15-18M total, and sit pleased as punch that they made a crafty deal. A crafty deal that doesn't really get them anywhere.
This isn't to say that Aramis Ramirez is the key to the team winning it all, either. Frankly, I don't see one single acquisition we could make that would suddenly return this club to it's 2009 ways. At least not this offseason. Now, multiple acquisitions, you say? That would make a lot more sense. I can't picture too many situations where the club would acquire a multi-year player that really works for the team going forward (you know, unless they get Wade Davis or Jeff Niemann or someone of that caliber), but buying a bunch of stopgaps and then maybe trading them away as our own pitching depth returns DOES fit.
Again, this is operating under my own surmising that the 2012 Rockies will be a growing team, much like the 2006 Rockies. If the Josh Foggs aren't available, maybe the Rockies could take a risk on someone like Justin Duchscherer or Rich Harden, shoot for the bounceback potential, and then ship them off at the deadline. Point is, you need to have someone to take the bullet for Pomeranz, White, and Chacin. Much as Jim Tracy's going to want to leave them in games for 125-140 pitches at a time, we need someone he can just abuse, and Hernandez would fit that bill. Or maybe Edwin Jackson.
Whatever happens, enjoy the postseason, and I'm gonna go ahead and throw my lot in with the Brewers this season.
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Michael Cuddyer is a third baseman
in the same sense Ty Wigginton is an outfielder.
He can play there in a pinch, and has occasionally in the past, but he’s not very good at it.
He’s a (weak) RF and an OK 1B. But to say is the second best player available
at the 3B position isn’t really accurate. He’s not a true 3B.
Which isn’t to say the Rockies shouldn’t look at him. Maybe they just take the hit defensively at 3B for a year or so until Arenado’s ready, then move Cuddyer to 1B when Helton’s back goes out for good.
Have you seen the list of 3B?
You might be surprised.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 7:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't need to see some stupid list
He hasn’t been playing 3B in the real world.
Someone posted here yesterday that he hadn’t played 3B more than a few games in the last 2 year. If somone wants to put him on some list as a 3B, fine. They can put Wiggy as an OF and Michael Young as a 2B while they’re at it.
The point, maris, is that his bat is SO much better than the other true 3B options that he's better overall
The offense counts too.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 30, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Then play Jordan Pacheco in the OF as Smith's platoon partner
Yes, offense counts. And as I already said, if the best option to suffer poor defense at 3B until Arenado’s ready, in exchange for more offense, I’m OK with that.
But that doesn’t make Cuddyer a real 3B. He’s not.
I actually posted that.
And I still stand by AMart that he is the second best available FA option.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Cuddyer came up as a 2B
so if he can play a passable to slightly below average 3B while hitting around a 360-380 wOBA he would plug a huge hole on this team both as a RHB and as a 3B
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He's 32 or 33
is really not a plus defensively and wasn’t so great there 6 years ago when he last played a significant amount of innings and his bat has fluctuated between 25% above average and average. Amidst all of the other unknowns on this team, I think I’d want something a little more certain out of a free agent who will cost 10mill a season and force us to give up draft picks.
While I think being able to shift him over to first in 2 seasons is a benefit in an absolute sense, I don’t think it should be brought up as a reason to sign him – lots of players can be shifted to 1b, we don’t know how his bat will be in 2 seasons, and there’s usually decent stopgap options at 1b available in a given season….
It’s not the worst signing but I think the org could be a little more creative about improving the team than Cuddyer…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
With whom?
Cuddyer is creative as a 3B, platoon for Smith, and 1B solution for a Helton breakdown.
If we need those three things, I like him.
What would you do?
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd pay the price for Headley.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
There is absolutely no indication that Headley is available,
nor what the price would be if he were. I just don’t see that as an option.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd find out the price.
still think it would be cheaper thatn anything else being discussed.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
In monetary terms?
Headley would cost the organization some talent. Cuddyer would not.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Cuddyer would cost draft picks and money.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
and he's 32
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
We have a guaranteed 1st round pick.
And a single-A heavy farm system. I’m not that worried about the draft picks.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
The hope with the draft picks is they'd be better talent than we already have.
To me trading the talent we have with a few exceptions would be pruneing the deadwood.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Those exceptions would probably be what SD would want.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
I think you could move a mix.
They also like cash wich is like real money.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I'm all about looking into Headley, personally.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Sure.
Just like we should look at Ryan Zimmerman.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Not quite the same thing, or situation
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
But there is an equal amount of information saying that Zimmerman is available.
So, why can’t we speculate?
In fact, the Nationals draft seems to point to them giving up Zimmerman or moving him to another position more than any information out of San Diego.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Well here are three reasons I can think of
Washington hasn’t traded a valuable player in recent memory, and in fact they recently signed a big FA contract aimed at being competitive in the life of RZ’s current contract.
San Diego has every above average veteran making more than league minimum on the block. Mike Adams was cheap and dominant but they moved him because the price was right, Agon same thing. The Padres have done a fine job restocking and have made some nice value trades like the Maybin one, but are not ready to compete.
Headley, and Hundley are the two biggest chips they have that could be traded to add to guys like Rizzo. Hundley isn’t going anywhere, and Headley lacks the big splashy stats that make guys like Ramirez or Wright get 15-20 million a year contracts and make fanbases revolt when you trade them.
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Didn't we just do this with Wigginton?
Cuddyer is a better bat but otherwise their so similar in my mind. He’s not creative because he’s just the second best available option. If he’s a ‘creative’ signing for the Rockies, he’s probably equally ‘creative’ for most other teams.
I don’t like the idea of signing a guy because he’s offers modest improvement at 3 places. I’d rather target holes more individually and improve across the board rather than one guy who can potentially help in all 3 areas (but ultimately can only play one position at a time)…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
signing Cuddyer could work
but the only reason we’re being linked to him now is because he’s in our (and every other needy team’s) face. It’s not really DOD digging deep for a solution…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
You're still not answering the question though.
What’s a better plan?
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I think finding a proper platoon partner for Smith
who can platoon with Smith (and would be a clear upgrade over Spilborghs) and backup other places if Dex or CarGo needs a day off and attempting to trade for Headley, Prado, or whoever is a better alternative. I also wouldn’t go head over heels for a backup plan for Helton considering we’d have Giambi, Iannetta, and whoever else is available on the FA market. The market is oversaturated with guys who can play 1b and while Helton IS valuable, he’s not irreplaceable in terms of production.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I still think Smith and Helton should platoon 1b and find or promote an outfielder.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I was intrigued by this idea
until I realized it would mean platooning two LH bats, with another LH 1B bat seemingly guaranteed a roster spot due to some bizarre organizational mancrush…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Todd Still hit LHP's Better than Average.
It would give Smith the majority of AB’s , but think of Todd off the bench PH ing. I think it keeps Todd engaged and Hoprfully available at the end of the year. Think out side convention!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
That's good.
But Cuddyer is a real possibility. Headley and Prado are not.
Cuddyer can platoon with Smith. Blackmon replaces Spilborghs as the 4th outfielder. I like that.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Cuddyer is a more attainable possibility.
I just think he’s a watered down attempt to ‘fix everything with one move’ and he carries a hefty cost as well.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I'll agree the cost for Cuddyer is probably way too high
but after watching him for years he really is what the Rox wanted to get with Wiggy. He’ll play any position asked competently (and he really is far better than Wigs in the outfield) super hard-nosed and he is the clubhouse leader for the Twins — He’ll hold all of the guys accountable. He’s a consistent gap hitter and hits well with RISP. He also had surgery to remove a rather massive plantar wart from his foot that affected his play for the first few months of last season so l wouldn’t hold his numbers against him. Having said all that, I still think there’s little chance he’s leaving the twinkles.
Headley is the oppo of Stewie; full of beans and a hothead. I would gladly welcome his ’tude and cantankerousness.
Showing extreme symptoms of Rocky Mountain Baseball Fever since 1993.
I'm not happy.
by WalkInRight on Sep 30, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
If Cuddyer wants to stay in Twinkie land then what?
I like Prado too but doubt we get him more than Headley. SD is not a competitve team and they know it. They have cash flow problems. None of that applys to hotlanta. I’ve made other suggestions too such as Murphy. I don’t think Cuddyer and Rameriez will be worth what they will be paid plus the draft picks. Headley and Murphy are versitile enough they could be used several ways with superior defense to off set the lesser offfense. What would you think of Duda from the Mets to be Hawpe 2.0?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Headley isn't a real possibility?
I can’t argue otherwise, but you’re coming off too strong right there. He’s not unattainable.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 30, 2011 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions
headley isn't a real possibility because there is quite literally no talk about the padres moving him
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Is Francona our manager yet?
Or will it take a few weeks? Or am I just dreaming?
by webgem14 on Sep 30, 2011 7:58 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
dreaming
Oh, my, dreaming.
But we both have a similar dream.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Francona is going to sit out this year.
And we’re not hiring.
Either way, I’d rather have Martinez or Wakamatsu. To me, Trammell or Francona would be pretty equal choices. Good choices, but not necessarily the best for our squad.
Anyway, the openings this year are pretty grim. I’d expect Martinez to end up with the Cubs. He is the perfect manager for the Cubs. If they don’t hire him, they’re stupid. I don’t see Martinez getting out of the offseason without a job somewhere.
I also think Wakamatsu will end up with a job. Baltimore would smart to take him.
It looks like Mills will return with the Astros. The White Sox should hire Sandy Alomar, Jr., or they’ll go for Martinez as well. I’m not sure what the Nationals are going to do, but they might as well keep Johnson another year.
The Red Sox are really screwed. I don’t know why anyone would want that job. That’s how they ended up with Francona in the first place. At the time, he was a failed manager who had been bouncing from team-to-team in bench coach jobs. They’ll be luck if guys in that same positions (Wakamatsu and Trammell) are willing to take that job now. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Lets trade them Tracy
for like Reddick… or whoever….
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
This year does have a decent set of guys to start with though
Francona
Trammel
Wakamatsu
Martinez
You could even throw Sandberg in that list, although I don’t want him on my team.
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 30, 2011 8:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes.
And we would have been the best organization looking for a manager. You could argue that the Nationals were close to us, but they probably are going to stick with Johnson it seems.
I think we could have had our pick. We have a two of the best players in baseball, good talent developing, a forgiving fan base, a decent budget, and a great area to live in. Oh well.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions
it's not too late
but unfortunately I don’t think the people who really matter see it the way we do….
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Sandberg could be on our team
as the 2b. Even if he’s almost 50, I think we’d get more from him than anybody else we have.
Hire Francona right now.
#FireTracy
#HireFrancona
"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 30, 2011 8:06 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Because they say Francona is a great manager to play for and you won’t find a guy who players want to play harder for
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by waterboy31321 on Sep 30, 2011 8:08 AM MDT up reply actions
This year seems to refute this.
Disregarding that, Francona is a hands-off clubhouse guys similar to Tracy in that respect. He lets the players lead themselves. We need a guy who is going to lead our players.
He is better than Tracy in just about every other aspect though. But he is good, not great. I think both Martinez and Wakamatsu have the potential to be great managers, particularly Martinez. Watching the Rays game on Wednesday night, you can tell he’s watching/working with Maddon and grooming himself to be a manager.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 8:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I wish I knew more about managers
but this info is hardly publicly available. Essentially we all tend to evaluate potential managers the same way we evaluate short, White middle infielders – based on their fire, grit, and a purported desire to win… I wonder of those metrics have better predictive validity for managers than they do for mediocre middle infielders…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
If you watch enough baseball and read enough about it,
I think you get a good sense of each guy.
Francona is a Jim Tracy clubhouse guy. He’s even-tempered and let’s his players lead themselves.
He’s a traditionalist and small-ball guy as far as in-game management. There’s enough data out there to support these assumptions, and even further details about him.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't know any details about managers
because whenever I watch baseball I’m also drunk.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Does he do the famous Tracy matchupz?
All the different lineups day in and day out. It really got old real quick. CDI didn’t need as many days off as he did. He should’ve played in 15-20 more games than he did.
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If you take the the final 20 of the past 2 years
Both times the Rockies end the season with a 6-14 stretch.
There is no way Tracy should be back next year.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 30, 2011 8:22 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Eh...at least he had an excuse this year...
I mean, he was fielding a Double-A squad for the majority of the month.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 30, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
because he was able to win with that horrible GM
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Actually, that's one reason that makes that job even tougher.
You’ve got to win even though you’ve got the fourth best GM in your division.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
This is now officially official.
TomCat009, could you defend Theo for me on this?
This is a ridiculous move.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
I've had bad dreams too
Of Fielder or Pujols signing with the Giants. The other going to the Dodgers.
I'm fine with Cuddyer
as long as we don’t give him lots of money…I don’t think he is worth it. I think somehow since there isn’t a lot out there we have to get creative in terms of trades I think.
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
Hes not worth it....
Rather give Ramirez 3 yrs 14-16 per
3 yrs, 14-16mil
and a boat?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Other names to consider in the trade market for pitchers
Would be AJ Burnett and Phil Hughes. Not that I’m a fan of Burnett but a change of scenery would be good for him. It would have to take NYY eating a portion of his $13 or $14M a year salary but I’d be okay with the FO taking a this type of risk to shore up the starting rotation for the next two years.
Phil Hughes would be the preferable move but I’m not sure we have the resources, or Yankees the need, to make this move.
Burnett is a huge no for me
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Just throwing names out there
In order to get SP, i think we’ll have to get creative since Boston and NYY are going to be making the splashes in both FA and trades to shore up their pitching. This is going to be the winter King Felix gets traded so I’m really looking forward to the ripple effects that occur with these moves.
by Cargo'es Yard on Sep 30, 2011 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions
The Yanks/Sawx aren't the issue
it’s the lack of talent. You really can’t get anyone this year unless you trade for them. And if Felix really is available, I hope DOD puts a serious package together to offer the M’s.
lol aj burnett is so bad
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
the only problem
is that despite their upside (and Burnett still has some), neither of them are anything close to a lock to eat innings – which seems like it should be the primary focus. Respectable pitching ability and the ability to go deep…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Someone call me crazy, but here's the Muzia As GM plan for 2012
(assuming Giambi comes back, because it’s the Rockies)
Trade Christian Friedrich for Jeff Niemann, Wandy Rodriguez, or Ricky Nolasco.
Trade Seth Smith, Ty Wigginton (+$2.5mil), Chad Bettis, Tim Wheeler, Wilin Rosario to Atlanta for Martin Prado and Jason Heyward.
Re-sign Mark Ellis to 1 yr/3M deal.
Re-sign Kevin Millwood to incentive-heavy 1 year deal.
Depth Chart:
C: Iannetta, Pacheco
1B: Helton, Giambi, Pacheco, Prado
2B: Ellis, Prado, Nelson, Pacheco
SS: Tulowitzki, Nelson
3B: Stewart, Prado, Pacheco, Nelson
OF: Fowler, Cargo, Heyward, Blackmon, Prado
SP: Chacin, Hammel, Niemann/Nolasco/Wandy, Millwood, White, Pomeranz, Nicasio, DLR
That gives you four 150+ IP starting pitchers and three 100+ IP starting pitchers and as close to a Jim Tracy-proof lineup as possible (not to mention the most talented OF in the Majors)
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I'd want more of getting rid of Bettis, Wheeler, Smith, and Rosario in one trade.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Jason Heyward is really, really, really good.
You can’t trade with the Braves without giving up pitching. Maybe try another position player instead of Rosario, but it would be a high price regardless.
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The chances of at least one of Roasario, Bettis, or Wheeler being really, really good are far too high for me to drop all three of them at once
I put Heyward in the very good category – Not the elite category.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Heyward had a really bad 2011 — and still put up a 98 wRC+ and 2.2 fWAR season.
As a 22 year old. He will be a superstar, I firmly believe it.
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I believe in that also
Hank Aaron said so also
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So your not concerned about that 13.1% LD rate and that 21.8% IFFB% Heyward put up last season?
I seem to remember you hating players who put up numbers like that.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m willing to bank on first round picks that destroy all levels of competition by age 21.
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That doesn’t impact my previous statement.
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Well it does because they contradict each other
When a first round pick who blasts through all levels of competition and puts up a 5.6 fWAR at the age of 22 posts ugly LD% and IFFB% numbers for a month to start 2011, your reaction is….
That is NOT a healthy swing, and these numbers have not changed much all season.
I put out the warning flags after the first two weeks, and I’m still fervently waving the flags as we speak.
When another player who blasts through all levels of competition and puts up a 5.1 fWAR at the age of 20/21 posts ugly LD% and IFFB% for THE ENTIRE 2011 SEASON, your reaction is…
/Trade Rosario, Bettis, Smith, and Wheeler to get him.
I don’t mind your statement about betting on first round picks that destroy all levels of competition by age 21, but to put out warning flags for Tulo when these numbers go sour and ignore them completely and bank on Heyward is a bit much.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Tulo was 25 and HR happy. It's still a fair criticism of his swing.
Heyward’s first season: 17.8 LD% 8.4 IFFB%
Find a new argument. This one doesn’t hold water.
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Oh Okay,
So it’s a fair criticism of Tulo’s swing but not of Heyward’s despite Heyward’s LD/IFFB numbers being FAR, FAR worse in 2011 than Tulo’s have been during any year of his career? That’s ludicrois!
I actually agree that it’s a fair criticism of Tulo despite my belief that he is at his best when he rides right along this line without crossing it. However, it’s very fair to ask why Heyward’s batted ball numbers went in the toilet this season. Something had to change for the numbers to be that drastic – And if the Braves are putting him on the market, I’m guessing that something might not be good.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought Ludicrois was a rapper
a French rapper?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
He’s 21
He’s 21
He’s 21
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You’re comparing a prodigy who struggled to the tune of a league average bat in his second big league season as one of the youngest players in the league to a 5 year vet who went to college and has shown a trend towards high IFFB%.
Again, there is not a comparision here.
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I beg to differ
The “prodigy” put up a MUCH higher IFFB% this season than the player who has shown the tendency to do it ever has in any season of his career. That’s certainly worth investigating.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, you do that.
I’ll just trade for Heyward and be very happy.
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I don't think we need to make this about Tulo
and I don’t think these points have to be presented as black and white. I’d imagine (and correct me if I’m wrong Muzia), that Muzia’s criticisms were less about ‘Tulo not being a great player’ and more about ’he’s good but these are some warning signs that he may not be the best he can be and shouldn’t get tooooo comfortable in his superstardom just yet’
Heyward is an awesome defender, who’s young, cheap, and can improve tremendously. He had one bad year in terms of IF Pop-ups and low line drive rates. I like acquiring him because he is an absolutely explosive talent – not some respectable stopgap of a player and in the event that he doesn’t hit that explosive potential…well then he’s a respectable stopgap of a player… who doesn’t cost as much money as some of the other names we’ve seen bandied about…
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by Muzia on Sep 30, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
This whole thread has me confused.
If we’re going to talk about Heyward, let’s talk about Heyward. I think there are legitimate reasons for concern (the Braves themselves clearly have some), and equally legitimate reasons to think those concerns might not end up mattering.
Heyward for Stewart straight up and we eat Stew's salary for a year.
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by SurfaceThought on Sep 30, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
My argument:
Heyward is really, really young and already really, really good at baseball. The Braves are reacting to their late season collapse and concerns about Heyward after an injury-plagued and ineffective 2011, and are considering putting him on the market.
I think that’s remarkably stupid of them.
I want Heyward because I want the best outfield in baseball, and I am willing to trade essentially anyone to acquire him because his minor league pedigree and his ability to be a very productive player even if he doesn’t hit his limitless celiing. I think Smith fills an immediate need, and I think we can use several top prospects to sway their minds.
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I actually agree with almost everything said here
I’m just not quite as high on Heyward as you are – Hence the difference of opinions in “superstar” and how much we should give up to get him.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
RIRF is making a strawman based on Muzia's criticism of Tulowitkzi.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Except that by the time Tulowitzki came into the conversation
The argument in this part of the thread had already shifted from ’We should trade Jason Heyward for X" to “Will Jason Heyward become a superstar?”.
My expanded feelings on the first argument continued down below. (The “we’ve drafted poorly from 2005-2008 and are now about to see the next wave of propects hit and should be cautious when giving that away” comment) I actually like Muzia’s idea, just not the price it may cost to get it done.
When it comes to the separate “Will Jason Heyward be a superstar” debate, the batted ball numbers are appropriate because they were a gigantic problem for Heyward in 2011 (to the tune of the worst IFFB% for all major leaguers with at least 400 PA’s) and have been a concern Muzia has shown with several players in the past; Most notably Tulowitzki. In order for Heyward to become that superstar player Muzia firmly believes he will, he has to find out why those numbers turned so rotten so fast this season and correct them. But maybe the league produced a better plan to get him out and he has a hole in his swing that will keep him from reaching his ceiling. That’s a fair question to ask at this point in Heyward’s career, especially to someone who has driven the bus on IFFB%.
As it turns out, Muzia doesn’t believe that Heyward and Tulo’s batted ball numbers are comparable so we didn’t really get anywhere with it. I completely disagree with this stance though as I see them both as first round picks who rapidly moved through the minors, had outstanding first years with solid LD rates, and then started to see their IFFB numbers go up. However, the difference is that Tulo has been able to get away with this (either a little or a lot depending on your stance here) because he floats around this line of unhealthy batted ball numbers but doesn’t let it get outrageous in large sample size. I’m not convinced Heyward will have as much success as Tulo here because Heyward did let those numbers get outrageous in the large sample size that was the 2011 season. (Will he have to make other compromises to correct them? We just don’t know at this point.) The points Muzia made about his age and injuries this year are very fair but I’m not ready to pound the superstar drum on him yet. It’s still a good debate though.
Anyway, that’s where I’m coming from here. My argument was a little too Tulo centric as it turns out but hey, it’s me so that can happen. :-)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's just obscuring the central issues
and putting Heyward’s skills into some comment-related vacuum.
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That was used to show that Muzia has expressed concerns about IFFB rates before
The real question is, why not now? What happened to Heyward to cause that in 2011?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
He’s 22. It’s his second year. He had injuries.
The Braves don’t show much patience in their young players’ growing pains. Amart mentioned Kelly Johnson, and Yunel Escobar is another example.
There’s opportunity here.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Larry may stick a fork in himself now
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Much more for Hayward than Prado
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I thought he was 21?
:P
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 30, 2011 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
if Muzia's criticism were about any other player though
I don’t think you’d be going down this path so hard and fast. Again, it was just a concern of Muzia’s but if anything Tulowitzki’s modest improvements in those areas highlight the potential for Heyward to improve (because lord knows he has the tools to do so).
Lets just get Heyward and teach him a leg kick.
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I'm very against giving up major pieces on the farm right now
I think the big problem the Rockies have run into recently is the poor drafts from 2005 (rounds after Tulo) through 2007 – And you could even include 2008 in this to some degree because the two big prizes there (Freidrich and Blackmon) have not had an big impact on the major league club so far. In fact, the TOTAL rWAR the Rockies have received for ALL the players they drated from 2005 (after Tulo) through 2008 is -2.0. That sucks, and it’s gotten us into big trouble.
If you go by the logic that you usually should start seeing returns on your draft picks 3 to 4 years after they are made, then the point the 2005 – 2008 drafts were going to hurt us the most is 2008 – 2011/12 – And that’s pretty much what’s happened. Tulo came up REALLY fast because he’s Tulo but after that, no other player that we’ve drafted has come up and made a big impact since. That’s a long, long time for a club not to produce production from their farm when they can’t print money to buy big time free agents like New York, Boston, and Philly can. Only our strong draft picks through Tulo, our outstanding Latin development, and the Holliday for Cargo and Streeet swap have kept us from completely melting away.
However, I think things are about to turn if we just show some patience. We finally have a promising wave of solid young talent coming towards the majors from that 2009 draft. The fist six picks that year were Matzek, Wheeler, Brothers, Arenado, Paulsen, and Matthes. I know the large chunk of that (and the 2010 draft which includes Parker, Bettis, and Rutledge) won’t be able to make a big dent in our problems until 2013, but if we’ve already waited through 80% of this rut where we have been unbale to produce goods from our farm. Since we’ve waited that long, I’m willing to wait one more year instead of rolling the dice and possibly extending this awful period where we have an alarming lack of good young players coming through the system via our drafts.
Combine the 09 draft, the 10 draft, and the pieces we got from the Ubaldo trade, and you’ve got a truckload of young talent that will hit this system over the next few years. Add in that you still have two superstars locked up long term in Cargo and Tulo and I’m willing to wait to see how this plays out. I’m not trashing 2013 and beyond for 2012.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions
You’ll notice that every single trade candidateI named is under team control for multiple seasons. This isn’t selling the farm for 2012, it’s using the farm to acquire cost-controlled MLB ready pieces.
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Those pieces are going to get expensive quick and if they don't come up roses you have no out
In my mind, the risk outweighs the reward there.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
If it's just Wheeler and Bettis,
I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. We really don’t need Wheeler. Bettis is the only concern, but it’s worth the risk.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Pomeranz, White, Nicasio, Arenado, Ortega, Rutledge
There’s still quite a bit left in the system after a trade like this.
O’Dowd has never traded a single top prospect, so my scenario won’t happen. But if Heyward is out there, you have to see what the asking price is.
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Nobody is arguing you shouldn't
However I am saying that if the price is Rosario, Wheeler, Bettis, and Smith, I would be agaisnt it.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
What if we kept Rosario but gave them the other three?
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Prado + Heyward for Wiggy + Smith + Bettis + Wheeler
I’d probably do. Although I’d probably want a little time to think about it. Bettis is the one I’d be nervous about giving up.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
No chance the Braves even consider that offer.
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if we want Prado for outfield depth
aren’t we becoming a little redundant?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Then their asking price is too high for my taste
Look at what Pardo and Heyward did this season (and yes I realize they are both much better than that). The Braves are not in position to ask for the moon here.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
We’re going to need to trade prospects at some point, Dan O’Dowd. If you can’t pull the trigger for Jason Heyward, I don’t know what to tell you.
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We disagree on what Heyward will become
While possible, I’m not 100% convinced he will be a super star. Therefore we value him differently. I don’t hate the idea, just the asking price.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
there's no way Atlanta accepts that for both Prado and Heyward
Just no way.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Without Prado, it's a good deal for them.
They get Smith. He is a known quantity, unlike Heyward.
Prado platoons with Smith.
Wiggy frees up Prado more.
They get a position player prospect, which they don’t have a lot of.
They get an arm, which they always want.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Without Prado.
We’re not getting Prado.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
what if we toss in Beltran?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Wiggy for Heyward straight up?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
we'll need to throw in more prospects
what 27 year old alsorans do we have in AAA
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Heh, should I start listing them?
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by SurfaceThought on Sep 30, 2011 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I think your time frame of the poor drafts and it's future (now present) impact on the club
really is just a better indication that we should trade.
I also don’t like Wheeler’s high strikeout rate and think he should be dealt while his value is highest.
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They would want Arenado in that trade
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I don't think so.
They already have problems with where to put Lipka. I think he might move to 3B.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I’d want more of for gettting rid of…..
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Ouch
Yeah, way too much to give up there. Espcially if Prado is going to back up Stewart and Ellis.
Well, Prado would be the starterish at one of those positions
Think of him as a better version of Wiggy this season. He’ll get 4-5 starts a week, just at different positions.
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I could see Prado as our everyday 3rd baseman
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Everyone is tradable for the if the price is right
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That's great.
Basically, they’re a competitive team who is going to downgrade at a ket spot (Prado to Wigginton) in order to get a prospect (Wheeler) who is not going to break camp with the team.
I just don’t see it. It leaves them with a starting outfield of McClouth, Bourn, Smith. Unless they go to free agency which also seems like a bad move.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions
and chipper jones is like a hundred years old,
and prado can play 3B
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That's right.
They are downgrading to Wigginton in that spot. That seems like a tough move. I guess it’s possible. But if I were the Braves, I wouldn’t do it.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn't move Heyward if I were the Braves, but they are actively considering it
If a young talent like that comes onto the market, you have to try and make a play.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
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Interesting
Question though, how well will he hit lefties. I can’t find his minor league splits to tell.
2009 AA:
vs LHP: 1.003 OPS
vs RHP: 1.104 OPS
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I would honestly give up any prospect for him without thinking twice.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
For Heyward?
I would trade Pomeranz. I would trade Arenado.
He’s a superstar-ceiling player on the market at age 22. That doesn’t happen.
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I'd consider Arenado.
Pomeranz is too much. We need Pomeranz. The need for Heyward isn’t as strong. You don’t draft for need, but a trade is different.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
how big is google?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
so... that
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Is this a picture of
Gustafson and DOD’s eye’s lighting up when they found out Cuddyer would be on the market?
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smoking cigars and wearing their ties as headbands?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
AWW YEAAAAAA
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm a little hesitant about Rosario.
I’d do Smith, Wheeler, Wigginton, Bettis right now.
We don’t need Wheeler. I have no firm feelings about Bettis. I hate Wiggy. And I think the organization has soured on Smith.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
I maintain that Prado is a pipe dream though.
We’d still need a 3B.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
That's fine
but three porspects is too much for me
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Right.
But I don’t think they throw in Prado.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Crazy, because I'm pretty sure that Atlanta would require more than that to give up Heyward.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 30, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
If Atlanta would bite on that deal
I’d do that in a second. Correct me if I am wrong but when was the last time Atlanta made a trade where they were the ones receiving prospects? Mulder?
by Cargo'es Yard on Sep 30, 2011 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Sorry Mulder was never with Atlanta
I remember Atlanta making a trade with STL but can’t remember if it was a Marquis/Wainwright package going to STL. Sorry I’m just getting back from vacation and my mind hasn’t adjusted yet to the grind.
by Cargo'es Yard on Sep 30, 2011 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Javier Vasquez to the Yankees
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Good call
What a haul they received for Vasquez
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would you count Jurrjens for Renteria?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Both this one and the Vasquez trade tells you that they know other teams farms
really, really well, and getting Tim Collins as a throw in on the Escobar trade cements that.
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Doesn't Prado play SS if needed also?
Maybe Im thinking of someone else
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he's not ben zobrist
who has done everything other than catch, but probably could in a pinch.
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Traded by the Astros (along with another AA prospect who became a No. 5 starter) for a 2-mo. rental of Aubrey Huff. One of the worst trades in many years. That’s when I gave up on the Astros.
Amazing how they went from the team that stole Bagwell
to the team that did that. Although they have a real mixed bag tradewise, the Kenny Lofton trade was no great idea either.
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The difference was
Gerry Hunsicker was running the ’Stros when they did the Bagwell deal.
By the time the Zobrist deal was done, he’d had a falling out with Drayton McLane and had moved on … to the Rays. He then proceeded to pick the Astros pocket.
I don't see Atlanta giving up Prado.
They need him for Larry. Heyward is a possibility. But why would they want Rosario, Wheeler, or Smith?
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Wheeler and Smith
because they need outfield depth. They don’t need Rosario.
McCann has caught 125+ games the past 5 seasons. They have to be concerned about wear and tear on those knees.
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David Ross has been beyond a boss as a backup though
hell, as a starter
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
No, they dont'
They’ll have Prado, McClouth, Bourn, Schafer, Costanza, and DH Matt Diaz.
Even if they let McClouth go, they don’t need two more OF.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Schafer is with the Astros.
Diaz, McLouth and Constanza…aren’t very good.
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So let's cycle back.
They aren’t trading Prado.
Rockies: Smith, Wheeler, Rosario, Wigginton, Bettis
Braves: Heyward
I don’t think they need Bettis. I know they always want arms, but they have tons of them.
So, Smith, Wheeler, Rosario, Wigginton for Heyward and some junk with cash.
I’m not sure I’d do it.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Prado doesn’t really have as much value as an OF, where they started him for 100 games this year. Why wouldn’t they trade him if the price was right, again?
And the Braves always trade for arms.
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Because the price isn't right.
I just don’t see why a competitive team would downgrade their active roster for prospects.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
and we didn't do that for Ubaldo?
Granted its one player but it did hurt us
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If they are seriously considering trading Heyward, this makes for a pretty good package.
They get Smith, who would become their second best OF and Wiggy, who would be about as good as Prado offensively. They’d also get three Top 100-type prospects, all who are within a year of MLB service.
Again, if they are really considering trading Heyward, I don’t know if they could get a better package for him.
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I agree if it is that package for just Heyward.
I think Prado to Wiggy is a bigger downgrade than you are making it. Prado is more versatile, a better fielder, and slightly better offensively.
The question is: Is that too much for just Heyward?
I think it might be.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm somewhat skeptical of Wheeler's long-term contributions
given his strikeout rate.
I think given the chance to consolidate resources, you do it. I’d rather have the potential of Heyward playing in one position, rather than the potential of a bunch of other guys who are caught between fighting for playing time and somewhere between the MLB and the minors.
We have Tulo and CarGo for a long time, but that will go quickly. The chance to pair them both with a guy of Heyward’s potential for the best part of the other two guys’ playing career is a chance that comes along once in a lifetime.
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You must have missed
where I said I would trade Smith, Wheeler, Wigginton, and Bettis for Heyward.
I would do this in a heartbeat, and it would be good for both clubs.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I just don't think we will get Prado,
and I don’t like the idea of giving up Rosario since we have no C.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Heh. This just struck me funny
We have Tulo and CarGo for a long time, but that will go quickly.
Not that it’s incorrect, but just very wibblywobblytimeywimey
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I get it
I just also don’t think it’s too farfetched to get them to give up Prado. The dude was their LF this past season. He is pretty valuable to the Braves but he’s not the only guy that can play the OF and back up at 3rd.
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But they have him now.
It’d be silly for them to give him up in order to get Tim Wheeler or even Rosario. If they lost 89 games this year, it’s a good move. They won 89. It seems foolish.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
You're right
but this trade is also about trying to take advantage of their potential panic. I think the fact that they’re willing to discuss Heyward shows that no one is off limits. Prado is coming off of a career worst year and is only around for 2 more seasons – he’s not untouchable and as a LF/backup inf, he’s not irreplaceable either.
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I guess I'm suspicious
of this turnaround in the Braves view of these guys (if they indeed end up on the market). Prado has always been a guy who has seemed like a fit for our holes, but prior to this season I don’t think any of us would have really expected him to be available. Why is he now? It may be because they don’t have a spot for him, but they are just as able to cut Chipper in half and count the rings as we are. Moreso, even. If they’re convinced he can be a 3B, why would they move him (unless they have a 3B prospect ready, which I will admit I don’t know…).
Heyward makes me even more nervous. I completely agree with Muzia on how great it would be to get a superstar ceiling level 21 yo OF. Those guys don’t show up everyday. And they show up on the trade market even less often, which is what scares the hell out of me here. If the team that knows him best is willing to give up a kid that age with that ceiling, I have to ask “why?”. And once somebody mentioned Ian Stewart earlier, the alarm bells really started to go off. What initially looks like a bad season from a young kid sometimes doesn’t get better. Sometimes it gets worse. I’m not saying for sure that’s where JH is, but I would hope we would check it out every way possible before we gave up half the farm system to get him…
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by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Yunel Escobar.
Kelly Johnson.
The Braves have a history of overreacting after a bad year from their talented guys, and this collapse puts the spotlight directly on their front office.
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Wasn't Escobar basically exiled
because of a legendarily bad attitude? I’m not sure that one was as much performance related as “Bobby Cox doesn’t like you. You must leave NOW!”
It might very well be a case of a panic move – it’s just that any time a player with Heyward’s potential goes on the trade block without free agency pending, my Spideysense gets all tingly…
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by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions
This was my understanding as well
But Johnson still is a perfect example.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'll agree on KJ....
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by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Putting a big name on the block
worked for Arizona. Sometimes it means something more nefarious and other times a cigar is just a cigar I guess… who knows…
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I'd throw Stewart in there
if it meant just being able to commit to Prado (who’s great defensively) rather than want to cycle back and forth between players
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How are you so sure of this?
He had a career worst season, isn’t the power offensive player the Braves may be searching for, has something of a minor injury history, and most importantly, isn’t the only guy on earth who could back up Chipper in a pinch. I think they’d listen, though they obviously (and rightfully so) value the guy.
Two or three seasons ago, his name was getting thrown around as a potential trade chip…
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We don't have anything to give them that would
prompt them to give up the best player for their peculiar situation. He’s even more important if we trade them Smith, because he can platoon with Smith.
And competitive teams just don’t downgrade their active rosters unless they play in St. Petersburg.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
...Wheeler and Rosario are two things they could use
They need offsense – particularly in the OF. Wheeler and Smith are pretty good for that and Bourn is only around for another year.
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They probably can't use Wheeler in 2012. Nor do we know how much offense
he can provide. They don’t really need Rosario. They have David Ross.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
They could deal Ross quite easily though
Hell include him in the trade back to us that way he’s our back up C and it affords us that whole ‘having Pacheco allows Iannetta to PH when he’s not catching’ benefit…
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Once again,
they would be downgrading their active roster (Ross) for a prospect (Rosario).
Teams just don’t do that.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
if that even is to be considered a downgrade
it’s one of the more minor downgrades you’ll find. I think discussing how the Braves would feel about losing a good backup catcher is too micro of a level of analysis in regards to the whole trade as discussed.
They could alternately just as easily then flip Rosario for whatever else they’d need if they were so confident in McCann/Ross.
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It is a downgrade for 2012.
Maybe not for 2013, but it is for 2012. You’re talking about trading a solid backup who can give you effective starts to spell McCann for a guy who has only played 15 games above AA.
That’s a downgrade.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
and would there be potential upgrades via the trade elsewhere on the roster
that would mitigate such a downgrade? The downgrade of a player who plays 30-40 games a year and replacing him with an awesome prospect who’s very good defensively?
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Not the trade that Muzia specifies, no.
It leaves the Braves with this:
RF: Lateral Move with the need to find a platoon partner.
LF: Downgrade. You need to give more playing time to McClouth who is worse than Prado.
Backup C: Downgrade from Ross to Rosario.
Utility Role/Larry-Sub: Downgrade from Prado to Wiggy.
This doesn’t seem like a promising deal for a team that barely missed the Wild Card.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
They already have the perfect platoon partner
in Matt Diaz. They could also really get anyone else to play backup catcher. If they really want to improve LF drastically, they could trade Rosario and one of their depth of pitchers for someone who’s a lot better. Alex Gordon on the Royals?
The trade that Muzia specifies may not patch every hole, but it patches some and leaves them in a solid place to deal more. Just becuase they’re acquiring Rosario doesn’t mean they have to stick with him.
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But you don't make a deal in order to make more deals.
You never know if those additional deals will come through, which could lead you with crap.
As I said, possible, but foolish. It’s better to look at higher probabilities. Trading for just Heyward has a much higher probability, even if it seems improbable.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
But you don’t make a deal in order to make more deals.
This is too inflexible. There have been a good amount of deals in the past that had other deals contingent after.
Given their stable of arms, plus having one of the better catching prospects in the game, there’d be no excuse for them to not be able to make a deal.
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Larry Bigbie would like a word...
You never know if those additional deals will come through, which could lead you with crap.
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by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd rather trade Iannetta for Ross and heyward.
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Most people probably would
that’s more wishful thinking on our side that they’d accept such a difference…
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Lol, You'd even pack his lunch and drive him there !
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Friedrich has little trade value
and not near enough for any of those 3 pitchers.
He flopped at AA and has limited upside. He doesn’t throw very hard.
All he has going for him is that he was a No. 1 pick. Might as well throw Weathers into the deal and get a no. 1 starter.
Few teams will want to give up any substantial value to take our failed draft picks off our hands.
Keep in mind we traded Aneury Rodriguez to Tampa for Jason Hammel.
Niemann is about to start getting too expensive in a crowded Tampa rotation, and Nolasco isn’t worth the money to the Marlins.
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I agree with this
but I believe the competition for Rodriguez and Niemann would raise the price. For the Marlins, I believe that’s a fair return and they would take the deal.
by Cargo'es Yard on Sep 30, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh, they'll be shopping Niemann for sure
but they’ll get more for him than a Friedrich-type prospect.
Rodriguez had more upside than Friedrich does at this point, and Hammel isn’t as good as Niemann is (usually, when he’s off, he’s really off). Plus the Rays were caught in a roster crunch at the end of ST with Hammel out of options. I doubt they’d have made that deal as an off-season trade.
Does Tampa plan on making room in their rotation for Jake McGee?
If not, I think he’s more intriguing than Niemann.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 30, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
and that shows how much trade value Friedrich has
Not much. No way he’ll bring a quality starter, even from a team that wants salary relief.
Or it tells you how much the Stros value Wandy
despite his contract. (and they should, because he is a really good pitcher).
Again, we got Jason Hammel for Aneury Rodriguez.
Friedrich has MUCH more trade value than Aneury.
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He most certainly does.
Tampa didn’t even protect Aneury and lost him in the Rule 5 draft….shows how valuable they thought he was.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 30, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Let's say that all of these trades come through.
25-Man:
C: Ianetta/?? (Morales?) I don’t see the team letting Pacheco by the permanent backup catcher.
1B: Helton/Giambi
2B: Ellis
SS: Tulo
3B: Prado/Stewart
CI: Pacheco
MI: Nelson
LF: Cargo
CF: Fowler
RF: Heyward
OF: Blackmon or EY2
There’s an extra guy in there. Whom do we cut?
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
EY2 and a Morales type catcher would be AAA depth. There are 13 players on the roster in my scenario.
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You're saying Pacheco is the everyday backup catcher?
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
If we were happy keeping Jose Morales back there, I think Pacheco could fit that role. He’s at least as good as Morales defensively.
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I'm not sure if we have enough evidence of that.
But I’ll take your word for it. I’d think about it. I don’t think it’s something DOD wold go for, but it could happen.
I just don’t see why the Braves would give up Prado. It doesn’t make sense to me.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
(Morales was painfully bad behind the plate)
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I hate it
I’m just being fussy, but I loved the idea of having 2 dedicated catchers and Pacheco as the IF-Super-U so that we could PH Iannetta when Tracy inevitably doesn’t start him, and still have an emergency catcher who is actually a catcher.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
If there is an injury, you could always shift Pacheco from whatever position he’s playing that night to behind the plate.
My hare-brained scheme at least allows for a pretty versatile depth chart.
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But Pacheco couldn't be playing another position
if he is our backup catcher. It’s unheard of. Our current leadership would NEVER do that.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought you just said that Pacheco was the dedicated backup catcher
no manager will do anything with his dedicated backup, you know that.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions
did tracy pinch hit iannetta at all this september?
if he didnt, I have a hard time envisioning tracy doing this even with pacheco on the roster.
yeah, he did
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
He's also PH Iannetta in the past
When Paul Phillips was called up in September. Just seems dead against it if there’s no 3rd catcher available, perhaps because he knows Drew Goodman will drag out the “Then-Neifi-Perez-had-to-catch-and-that’s-the-day-the world-stopped-turning” story…. again.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 30, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
thanks
i havent watched a whole lot of baseball lately so i figured i had missed it if it happened
by purplesocks on Sep 30, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
But Pacheco has played catcher primarily for 3 years.
He would be comfortable behind the plate.
I really, really like the idea of Pacheco as backup C, IF utility at 1st & 3rd.
That allows for versatility elsewhere.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 30, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
He can't do all three though.
It just isn’t done.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
The obvious issue with it
is Pacheco wouldn’t be able to come off the bench as much as he would if he were strictly utility.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 30, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
I doubt he'd come off the bench ever, especially under Tracy.
Traditional baseball thinking dictates that you never do anything with your backup catcher, even pinch hit, unless absolutely forced to-because what if a catastrophic injury happened?
I love the idea as much as you do (i.e, actually getting use out of a backup catcher by making him play additional utility positions), but unless we get on the #FI#24MGR train it won’t happen.
(I’m totally on this train)
I love this idea too
but I think I’d opt for potentially drastically improving at the starting positions rather than have an extra pinch hitter…
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
if anything
muzia should be commended for this. not only making what would be an amazing offseason (to me), but being able to back up his posts in a way that you can see it maybe happening.
not like some of the “OMG TRADE FOR DAVID WRIGHT” stuff.
by roxintober on Sep 30, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
we've been linked to wright for ages
every time his name comes up a trade candidate, we’re mentioned as a chief destination
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I think it turned out more than okay, Muzia...excellent in fact :)
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yesssssss!
free beer for SPs who aren’t pitching in the clubhouse!
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Nope.
Apparently it was that Francona likes guys to steal bases.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
“My players love playing for me!”
“That’s because they’re drunk.”
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I wonder if there's people who are awesome at baseball while intoxicated.
Sort of like drunken boxing.
Bsbe Ruth was apparently.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Willie Stargell hit a grand slam on coke.
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Things go better with coke
it’s the real thing….
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by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Many players in the 60s and 70s were on some kind of stimulants.
Would be more incredible if he was stoned.
Get well soon Juan.
Mickey Mantel with the combo of booze, painkillers and anphetamines....
Yeah
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Well there you go.
However, Mantel might be one of those people where amphetamines make them hyper focused.
Get well soon Juan.
He self medicated booze for depression...
Took the anphetamines to counter the leathargy of the painkillers. If you believe the stories of the time; he did not know he was being given uppers untill he was well and truely hooked.
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hahaha
Ellis said catcher Jerry May wore reflective tape on his fingers which helped Ellis to see his signals.
by purplesocks on Sep 30, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
HOW BASEBALL USED TO BE!
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Just fill up the soda machine bud.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 30, 2011 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions
look, my OMG WRIGHT posts are purely out of girlish fantasy.
oh wait, I’ve never made a post like that.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
he is a little bit dreamy
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
To cycle back again.
I think we can do this without Prado or Rosario.
I just don’t know what we do for 3B then, except a Stewart/Pacheco platoon. That wouldn’t be bad.
I’m in.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Creative trades.
I like the first one, iffy on the second one.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 30, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm down. So incredibly down.
The only issues I can see are Brian McCann’s presence offsetting some of the value of the best prospect we’re giving them, and also them not valuing potential starters as much since they have a tonnnnn.
I might even deal Stewart and just roll with Prado since I think he’d be an ideal leadoff hitter for us (since Dex prefers hitting 2nd and has a lot of gap power to move runners)….
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I'd also
try to get them to throw a reliever in. They have the best bullpen in the game so whatever relievers they have in the minors I’d be more than happy to also get. You can never have too many relievers – they’ll either help fortify the bp against injuries or are just always useful trade bait…
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I guess we both play
at the same high-rollers table
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Don’t you remember? I’m the guy who falls in love with prospects and is afraid to give them up.
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well then for a brief moment
the risk-averse Muzia has taken a backseat.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I'm guessing that's because I told you how much he wanted Prado
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
The Braves are not going to be in a mood to part with relievers
After watching Fredi Gonzalez ride O’Flaherty, Venters and Kimbrel into the ground this year. The season numbers for their bullpen still look great, but relying on 3 guys killed them down the stretch because two of them pretty much crashed at the end. They need to add a bullpen arm, not give one up.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 30, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
then we include Street in the deal?
I don’t get the impression they’d want to add a bullpen arm – and certainly not one of any significance. If they want to add one, it’ll be a lower skill guy who could be used to alleviate some pressure from the top 3, not replace one of them.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Agree, the Braves' top 3 in the pen are all set
Whether they would have any interest Street, I don’t know. But they should have added a serviceable reliever at some point this year who could have given Venters and Kimbrel a little breathing room. If they had, they would be playing this weekend instead of watching.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 30, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
hah
given that I think it was a divine mandate that all really good teams blow a save in epic fashion, I’m not sure Eric Gagne and Mariano Rivera’s love child could have saved that game.
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With their top 3 set
I think it’s pretty safe to say Street’s price tag is probably a little high for a third leg of a 7th/8th inning group…
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by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions
It's also slick
because you’ll never ever have such a buy-low opportunity for two awesome players that are both on the same team that may be more willing to make a big move because of their shattered expectations.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think these points need more attention
big trades like this are a rarity and there would never be a better discount. So whatever value of prospects we’d have to give up, that value would never be lower – even if appears high.
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I know the replies to this idea are already longer than War and Peace
But here’s the list of guys in the Rockies organization I wouldn’t give up for Jason Heyward:
Troy Tulowitzki
Carlos Gonzalez
Todd Helton
Drew Pomeranz
Everyone else would at least be on the table if Heyward is. If there is even a chance to get him, you’ve got to take it. Entering 2010, the guy was the #1 prospect in all of baseball, and the guys directly behind him were Stephen Strasburg and Mike Stanton. I think he’s going to be a super-de-duper-star, at least as good as CarGo. With the acquisitions of Prado and Heyward, the 2012 Opening Day lineup looks like this:
CF Fowler
3B Prado
LF Gonzalez
SS Tulowitzki
RF Heyward
1B Helton
C Iannetta
2B Ellis
P Chacin
That’s a contending lineup right there, not just for a division, but for a World Series.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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I'd trade Pomeranz for Heyward.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 30, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
oooo
thasss nasssty
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What about the rest of the rotation?
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by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions
With Muzia's plan?
You’ve got Niemann (though I think Wade Davis is more realistic)/Wandy/Nolasco, White, Pomeranz, Hammel/Millwood with DLR and Nicasio back mid-season
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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Going into his 3rd arbitration year
Do you think that Alex Gordon would be offlimits or would the Royals want some peices to set themselves up for a run a couple years from now?
I think they're focusing on extending him
as they have enough pieces currently to set themselves up for a run in a couple of years.
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Makes sense
Since he was the best hitter on their team this year.
Beltran?
What do you guys think of trying to sign Beltran to a 1 yr deal?
Is this a joke?
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Why would it be a joke
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions
carlos beltran did a serious of very bad things to roxman4ever
it’s all in the GT from game 162
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by papality on Sep 30, 2011 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL. Yes and just never been a big fan of him.
He is injury prone. So you would want to pay a guy a bunch of money that has bad knees? Just curious. Not starting an argument that I have no chance in winning,
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we pay a guy with no back a ton of money
we’re about to start paying a guy with no wrist a ton of money, as well as a guy with no hip. why not add knees to the problem?
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With that kind of talk, we are starting to sound like the 2010 Giants.
Bans self for saying that.
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saves me the trouble
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey hey hey. It was just an observation with the injuries they had and the injuries that we have.
Sure, why not add Beltran. I know he is a good hitter but with his knees, could he cover the Coors outfield?
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hey, aren't you banned?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I reinstated myself after a few minutes of thinking about Beltran.
Why not try and grab him?
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There's no harm in asking
but there’s a team out there that’s going to give him a multi-year deal.
The Rockies would be remiss, however, if they didn’t at least make an offer.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
and the Rockies wouldn't be willing to sign him to a multi year deal?
Or do you think they want to give that to Fowler?
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With his injury history, it wouldn't be very smart to sign Beltran to a multi-year deal
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do not want beltran
on a multi-year deal. If memory serves me correctly, he’s not great unless in the last year of a deal.
For what it’s worth- I don’t think it’s feasible to get him on a one year deal. I pity the fool that pays him for the next 3 years. One year deal with option might make sense though. Could overpay him, then if Rox make 2012 a repeat of 2011, they could deal him at the deadline. Long shot, really never gonna happen. Just thinking out loud.
by CarloWitzki on Sep 30, 2011 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Memory doe's not serve
Beltran has been the complete package his entire career, is he didn’t get hurt in 09 he would be up for another huge payday. from 2001-08 he had a WAR total below 5.5 once
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by CarloWitzki on Sep 30, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Can we get the WS title?
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doubt it
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Some team will be foolish enough
to give him multiple years and very big money.
Maybe the Nats can put him in the same OF with Werth.
Remember Harper will probably he there next year
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I was really just kidding about the Nats
to analogize Beltran to Werth in being a likely-overpaid player.
Gotcha
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he'll sign a deal similar to aramis ramirez
i would have no problem signing beltran, that way we could trade people for david wright.
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they'll both probably get 3 year deals
ramirez will have the 3B going for him, but beltran is a better hitter even though he’s only a meh RF/LF instead of a great CF
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Ramirez will most likely seek a contract simaler to Beltre.
which was 5 year, 16 million average, with an option attached at the end. As the best non first base free agent, I think he will get close to that. Beltran’s health issues will probably keep him at 2 or 3 years.
I'd be game on a 1 year deal, but there's no way he'd take it
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Balls
Joe Maddon’s got ’em.
No pitcher has ever started a playoff game with 1 Major League start under his belt. Maddon’s starting Matt Moore in Game 1 tonight.
Lesson to be learned from that for the Rockies? Don’t tell me Chad Bettis shouldn’t be considered for the rotation next Spring. His experience level is simlar to Moore’s, as are his minor league results. He’s 2 years older.
The larger point is that the Rays are an unconventional team. They have to be to compete in their division with their situation.
The Rockies’ starting pitching rotation is a total disaster at this point. Adding a couple of Kevin Milwoods won’t do anything but cut down the bleeding, if that. Do something unconventional. Give Bettis a shot.
by maris61 on Sep 30, 2011 9:05 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
We don't have much to lose with the present situation
That’s for sure. When Kevin Millwood is your most reliable late-season starter, it’s time to re-think the master plan.
Everyone should be considered
But should someone like Bettis make the MLB rotation out of ST, I’m dreading the inevitable crapshow that springs up the minute he isn’t ZOMG ACE.
“BETTIS SUCKS GET RID OF HIM TRADE FOR CLIFF LEE”
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions
TRADE FOR CLIFF LEE
Can we still do this?
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NOT WITH OUR OWNERSHIP
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I've been thinking about writing a FanPost about our ownership
Are they really that bad? I wasn’t a fan of the Monforts until the signing of Tulo and Cargo which showed that they would spend when we have special talents. Ticket prices are reasonable especially for the premium seats which are the third cheapest in all of MLB (according to a CNBC report in April). Those are two pluses and haven’t had the time to think about it but I do wonder if our ownership is as bad as we make it.
by Cargo'es Yard on Sep 30, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think they're all that bad
I’m fakeposting as the standard issue Yahoo/DP commenter
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
No i realized that
I saw the word ownership and felt a good place to make mention. I’ll get my thougths together and see if I can have something up this weekend.
by Cargo'es Yard on Sep 30, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
ah
looking forward to seeing it
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't see why not.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
So does this mean I've convinced you on Escalona? :)
Everyone should be considered
And by that I mean a “test drive” – not, “let’s pencil him into the 2012 rotation.”
by Northsider1964 on Sep 30, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
hell, I don't care, it's worth a shot
I just don’t see the organization doing it.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
That's what makes Maddon's move so gutsy
If the Rangers do well against Moore (and they well may … their lineup is stacked with very good RH hitters), he’s going to catch it: "How in the world could you start a 21-yr-old rookie with 1 ML start under his belt?:
O’Dowd/Tracy should have the guts to risk the same type of heat.
I think there's a little bit of thought in this though.
The Rangers are great at home. Why waste your best pitchers in a situation where even they might get beat. Focus on winning your two at home and one out of the three away.
It’s not bad strategy.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Nah, the Rays didn't have much room for thought
They’d used Sheilds (125 pitches) – Hellickson — Price in their last 3 games. That’s their top 3. None was really available tonight.
So they had to pick between Niemann (very inconsistent since coming of the DL — brilliant one game, a flame-out the next) and Davis (no. 5 starter, the Rangers would murder him) and an inexperienced rookie with great stuff.
They took door no. 3.
Me; I would have thrown Sonnenstien out ther and tell him to throw slow, slower, slower still, and then use the bugs bunny change up!
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Speaking of which is Sonnenstien going to be available?
I’m feeling a Reynoso or Bohannon here.
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Seriously.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
lol andy sonnanstine?
he’s bad. like, really, really bad.
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Junkballer who ate innings and should be cheap. A disposable fillin?
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no, i don't think you realize how bad sonnanstine is now.
back in 2008 he was okay, thriving on control, but that’s gone now. only once in his career has he posted a FIP below 4, and that was 3.91. never has he finished with an ERA below 4.38. he pitched a 7.09 FIP this year. he has provided negative WAR two years in a row. he can’t strike people out, not that he ever could, and he’s lost the control, and continues to serve up home runs like he’s a batting practice pitcher. andy sonnanstine is REALLY BAD.
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Sounds like a Dac Reclamation project.
He has playoff experience , he’s not that old, and I really am felling Reynoso and Bohannon. Both were not thought of that highly either.. At worst he’d be 2011 John Maine.
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Huh. I forgot about Maine.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Nick Schnaittman bad?
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by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
yes, actually
(read just above)
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I guess I'm more suggesting
that if we just throw all of the youthful depth to the wolves for 2012, we have to be prepared to witness a potential 05/06 type season. That’s all.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Right.
And there’s a lot more strategy to Maddon’s move than just pure guts.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
their experience levels aren't even close
bettis hasn’t pitched above high A, moore pitched full seasons in every level of the rays system, and is completely ready for the majors
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No, Moore didn't
He started this season at AA and only spent about a month in AAA. He’s essentially a AA-to-Majors callup.
Bettis should’ve been at AA by the end of this season, and probably would’ve been if Modesto wasn’t headed for the playoffs & really needed him to stick around.
Bettis was drafted out of college. If you’re going to draft college pitchers high, one reason you do so is that they should be able to move up to the bigs much faster than an 18-yr-old straight out of high school. There should be no hesitancy in moving up Bettis as fast and as far as his current skills and results justify.
That I agree with
too many holding patterns between A+/AA. AAA is such a garbage place to pitch, we don’t promote pitchers to AAA. We’ll DEmote them, but that means they need to be MLB ready in Tulsa or they stay in Tulsa.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Correcting something I posted elsewhere, after further research
Bettis & Moore are almost the same age: Bettis is 2 months’ older.
I was off a year on Moore, because though drafted out of high school, he repeated at short-season A-ball: 8 games in 2007 when he was drafted, 12 the next year. Not sure if there was an injury that cut his second season short. Basically, he was pitching in short season/rookie ball while Bettis was pitching in college. Roughly equivalent.
Moore has a total of 155 minor league IP. Bettis has 169.2.
I’d say their minor league experience is comparable. Yes, Moore’s AA/AAA duty is at a higher level than Bettis’, but OTOH, Moore’s High A stats are better than Moore’s were.
do you think that if friedrich doesnt get traded this offseason, that he will pitch a third year in AA?
by purplesocks on Sep 30, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
thats what i was thinking although it goes against the belief that we dont send pitching prospects to aaa
but i really think he probably gets moved this offseason anyways
by purplesocks on Sep 30, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
So was Nicasio
AA to Majors. He did alright
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To be fair
Moore is the best pitching prospect in the game. I really like Bettis, but he isn’t quite at that level. That said, I can easily see him in the majors next year, but I don’t think it will be out of spring training.
moore threw 100 innings in AA of 2.62 FIP
and then 50 of 2.02 FIP in durham. he also threw over 120 innings in A and high A the two years prior. “He’s essentially a AA-to-Majors callup.” is hardly true
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True, but Maris is talking giving him a hard look in Spring Training, in March
Not throwing him into a division series – this afternoon.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 30, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
You make an unbelievably good point in saying that the Rockies need to be unconventional.
Just as Tampa has extenuating circumstances due to the division in which the play, the Rockies face extenuating circumstances due to their unusual ballpark situation. Doing something – ANYTHING – unconventional with the pitching staff can only help at this point, I think.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 30, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Sonnenstien anyone?
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Are you trying to suggest they can afford to lose talented players that haven't put it together?
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No.
I’m saying that the team is Tampa Bay, not Tampa. Just like we aren’t the Denver Rockies.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
It's an abbreviation...
Sue me.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Sep 30, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Wasn't aware that a city on the northish west coast of Florida
that is home to the University of South Florida would be all worried about accuracy
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Well, when people start to put down the fan base there
and wonder why people can’t get to the games in Tampa, they might want to know that the Rays don’t play in Tampa, and that this is part of the problem.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I heard that the new Stadium isn't likely to fix this
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Actually, the team and the media have done studies proving
that it will, depending not he location. Although the team is biased. The media was not as much.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I had heard it was in the works
in St Pete
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No. If they ever build a new stadium, it will not be in St. Petersburg.
That was more of a pipe dream to drum up support for a stadium without making the City of St. Petersburg, who has them in a horrible deal, upset.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Ah so where will they build?
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There are several sites.
If it is going to stay on the St. Petersburg side of the bay, it would be in extreme northern St. Petersburg just over the bridge off of I-275. That’s a lot closer to Tampa and the northern suburbs. This would still let them stay in St. Petersburg and might stop the city from suing them. This site was shown to have 115% more people living in the 30 minute radius than the current site. Literally, for most people in the area, Tropicana Field would be like if the Rockies played in Colorado Springs.
The team would really like to be in Tampa or further east in order to draw people from Orlando. In particular, they would like the Channelside area east of downtown which is near the ice hockey arena. It is very close to I-4, which connects to Orlando and Lakeland, as well as right off of I-75 and 275 and other connections to the other side of the bay.
If they build a stadium, I’m pretty sure it will end up in Channelside.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
A Rockies leads all MLB pitchers in defensive runs saved.
Or at least he did a week ago.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 30, 2011 9:17 AM MDT reply actions
RMN.....
I sentence you to 5000 flagellations with a wet noodle and a 15 second ban for supporting; even briefly; the fortunes of the Seligs!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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I'm pulling for the Brewers too
I want to see Nyjer Morgan win. It’d be too good.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
That's Okay; I know where you sleep!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Rely fai ment for AMart.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
good luck catching me!
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Renck tweets Don Baylor taken ill
RT @nickpiecoro Dbacks hitting coach Don Baylor was wheeled out of clubhouse on a stretcher. Awaiting details from team.
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Bad Omen
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holy crap
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Sounds like he'll be OK
“So far, all tests are encouraging, Towers said. EKG came back good. Said they’re going to do a CT scan, too.”
More from Renck on Baylor
RT @Haudricourt Initial report on baylor : Lost consciousness. Taken to local hospital. EKG was negative. Not sure what specific issu
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front paged
http://www.purplerow.com/2011/9/30/2460537/diamondbacks-hitting-coach-don-baylor-hospitalized
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Cool thanks
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I've actually had that happen to me
Got up too fast and passed out cold. Ambulance, hospital, EKG, $5000 bill. Nothing wrong. I was fine 10 minutes later.
Just happens sometime. Hope that’s the case with Groove.
Let's hope.
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And glad you recovered nicely.
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I never recovered from teh $5000 bill, though :)
But yeah, apart from saying “Don’t get up so fast in the future”, there was literally nothing the doctors had to do for me. Sent me home and that was that. They told me it happens all teh time to all sorts of people. The offical $5000 name for it is “syncope”
The weird (and frankly kind of embarrassing) part was being wheeled out of my house on a stretcher while an ambulance and a fire truck stood there lights flashing. The neighbors were certainly paying attention.
HBT reports Red Sox pitchers drank beer during games on their off days.
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Heh. That almost makes me like the BoSox
If you live where Sam Adams is made, why not take any opportunity to enjoy it?
BAND
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Skunky Craft,
I heard they are a good band
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Is it made in FT Collins?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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You mean Wyoming?
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I vote we change the name to Mariaburg
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
But she's in Brighton now..
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But her heart will forever be there!
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Sorry, never liked Sam Adams
They say they use brown bottles to prevent skunky beer.
I say why bother? Its skunky to begin with.
Get well soon Juan.
I'm that way about Corona
Spanish for you horse has sugar diabetes.
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For me, it's Heineken
when I attempt to drink that now, I wonder why my and my buddies used to think it was so great back in the day. Blech.
schlitz is terrible
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
Budwiesers the one...
Americas favorite laxative!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Take that back!
Schlitz 60’s recipe tall boys? That’s gold right there, son. :)
If given the choice between Schlitz and Sam Adams
I’ll pick Schlitz every time.
And in reality, Sam Adams == Macrobrew.
Get well soon Juan.
you poor, poor soul.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I didn't say I like Schlitz
Just that Schlitz is better than Sam Adams.
GIve me something from Dogfish Head or New Belgium any day.
Get well soon Juan.
Schlitz is the schitz
I thought they didn’t even make it anymore
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Heineken is great if you're on the other side of the Atlantic.
Over here, it’s a gamble as to wether or not it will be skunky.
I got on a serious hot streak gambling once while drinking Heinies
so that’s my go to drink when I gamble. That’s pretty much the only time I drink it.
Scratch that, I actually drank several in Spain.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm a huge beer snob
I’ll toss back Chimay and Gouden Caroulus with the best of them. That said, Sam Adams makes some really good beer. Their Irish Read and Cream Stout are both as good as you’re gonna find in those styles. I won’t turn my nose up at anything they brew.
Beer in the clubhouse used to be a common thing pre Spiezio
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
I drink beer on my days off as well
don’t see this as a big deal
by purplesocks on Sep 30, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Are you a pitcher?
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(that was a joke)
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So was mine?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
works for me
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You even save washing on the glasews I hear?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
A pitcher of what?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
now that's rocking it old school
The Babe & Mickey would be proud.
Showing extreme symptoms of Rocky Mountain Baseball Fever since 1993.
I'm not happy.
by WalkInRight on Sep 30, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
One of my fave stories about the old days....
was Whitey Ford describing the “offseason conditioning program” for him & Mantle. After months of offseason carousing, they would get down to Florida a few days early for spring training so thay could lie by the pool and catch rays.
His reasoning:
“A tan makes you look 10 pounds lighter”
OH MY GOD
DRINKING WHEN YOU AREN’T WORKING?
WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I wasn't making a commentary
Just posting the article. :) I have no opinion one way or the other.
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I was making commentary on the article
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I was just saying I have no opinion
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AMart retweeted a story about Juan Nicasio from Baseball America:
Field Of Dreams: Not long after he suffered a broken neck, righthander Juan Nicasio had a dream. link
But it’s subscriber-only. Could someone summarize? Is it a literal dream? Or a dream ala MLK?
Nicasio
is on the mound in September next year and beats the Phillies for No. 20.
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Strike out next year, but Rockies
are in Philly next September.
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we're only going to win 20 games next year?
finally, a russ prediction we can’t possibly do worse than!
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Next year
is going to be brutal. Half the team gets injured in a clown car during spring training,
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You mean hit by lightening on the golf course!
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They're
in the car on a golf course.
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...and the lightning is in a tornado.
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
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OT(as if this entire thread hasn't gone OT)
Did you ever get to play with my brother’s history section?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Unfortunately, not yet.
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Do it.
It’ll give you ideas.
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"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
the feral squirrel can do that to people
Showing extreme symptoms of Rocky Mountain Baseball Fever since 1993.
I'm not happy.
Rode that 23 times in a row one night when I was a kid.
I loved the rabbid wombat.
Get well soon Juan.
A shark jumps into the roller coaster and eats them?
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by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Man, the first day of the playoffs.....
How great was the anticipation on this day back in ‘07 and ’09? You know you’ve made it to the big stage, and now it’s all fresh again.
Totally envious of the fans in playoff cities — especially the folks in Milwaukee, Detroit and Tampa for whom this isn’t a regular event.
by evers44 on Sep 30, 2011 1:00 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Texas would like a word.
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it's becoming pretty regular for tampa, if unexpected this year
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
be happy, because 2012 is coming.
True. And an amazing statement when you think about it.
If, 10 years ago, anyone would have predicted that TB would be a regular contender by now they’d have been laughed at. To have done that in that division and with such marginal attendance figures is something else. Instead of making movies about Billy Beane, they oughta be making those folks celluloid legends.
there is an "extra 2%" movie in the works
or so i’ve heard
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be happy, because 2012 is coming.
I remember those days....sigh.
This year sucked.
by prettyinpurple on Sep 30, 2011 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions
well I am feeling a little sick to my stomach today
unfortunately due to the flu and not BASEBALL FEVER!
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I'm not happy.
Baseball America released their Cal League Top 20
Arenado #6
Bettis #9
Matthes #20
Rutledge didn’t make it, for some reason.
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I'm SHOCKED they rated Matthes higher than Rutledge
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Inconceivable!!
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by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Tough to keep the League MVP off the list, no matter his age.
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Matthes over Rutledge?
LOL-worthy.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 30, 2011 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions
From the chat
Josh Leventhal: Rutledge does make the issue as part of our collection of prospects who just missed their respective Top 20s, running in Prospect Pulse. […] Rutledge does a lot of things right at the plate and fields his position well. Questions on whether he has the arm to stay at shortstop.
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Stay at SS?
Would any decent prospect in our system stay at SS for the next five years? No.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions
He's basically the perfect middle infield propect for the Rockies right now
Only he can’t get here soon enough.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
- Chris Owings must have a heckuva arm then, because his bat is nothing to speak of…
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No. 19 Chris Owings
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Well, apparently most of
Owings’ 32 errors can be chalked up to him attempting to cover the entire field and being selfish.
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Apparently Padres are moving home games up to 5:30pm starts to avoid dealing with the marine layer.
As a West Coast Rockies fan with a long commute, I always look forward to the West Coast games. Bummer.
You'll have to see it on the satelite radio.
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huh.
seems like that would put a little hurt on attendence, at least people trying to get there before the game started.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
and that would mean Rockies would play games on the west coast that started earlier than home games.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions
But it would be 6:30 MT, right?
So that’s the same as most Rockies home games, except for the 6:00 Saturday starts.
Selfishly, I would love it. Being a geezer, I struggle to stay up through the west coast games that are on TV.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 30, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Still, strange with them in the other time zone.
And being a young punk, I’d prefer it if Coors went back to the 7:05 starts on weekdays. Not sure why they switched.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Ditto. The 5:40 starts my time kill me.
I know it’s only 25 minutes earlier, but for me, with the way the train schedules are, it makes a huge difference.
7:00 starts were fine with me
But if I had kids – either with me at the game or at home with a sitter – I would probably prefer the earlier starts.
I also think the Rockies ought to move the day games (weekdays, not Sundays) to Noon or 12:30. They could encourage people who work downtown to play hookie over lunch, and the postgame traffic would clear out better before rush hour.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 30, 2011 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah, the postgame day game traffic is pretty bad.
I have to cross that direction and the way I normally go gets really backed up.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions
The Military guys are all off by 4:00pm. The Commands will like it if it keeps them out of the bars.
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That's a terrible idea
The 5:30 start times won’t help their attendance. And I can tell you living in SD the marine layer can start at 4pm! It’s not going to make that much difference.
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the marine layer can start at 4pm
The Military guys are all off by 4:00pm
There is a joke here somewhere, but I can’t find it….
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by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
The Joke's on the Padres!
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Makes Headley more attainable.
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
The Marines are pretty quick.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Here's a better idea
Padres fan calls ticket office:
“I want to buy a ticket for tonight’s game. And by the way, what time is first pitch?”
Ticket office:
“What time can you be here?”
by Northsider1964 on Sep 30, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Flec'd for truf
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Not all home games,
just MORE home games. I’d expect that it is something like Friday day games in Chicago, and maybe more Saturday day games.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Has anyone done this postseason.tv thing?
Is it worth it or should I just follow on Gameday with Audio?
I bought that a few years ago
It stunk. Basically, you get several camera choices, but they are all stationary. It’s really not worth it, unless you are a tv producer and know how to flip between cameras very quickly.
This is what I figured.
I usually have things on in the background, so switching camera angles is not something I’ll be doing.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 30, 2011 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh God, the TBS broadcasting team
I can’t believe MLB signed up with these buffoons for the post season. I hate their coverage – Hate it with a passion!!!
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 30, 2011 2:55 PM MDT reply actions
Fisting?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions
The audio mixing is so bad I actually can't understand them over the crowd mics
Come on guys, act like a national TV network if you want to be respected as one.
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that's nuts
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
/falling in love with their own prospects
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by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions
WOW
Tony Reagins resigning as Angels GM
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Whoah.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 30, 2011 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey Mr. James Edwin Tracy
Do a Tony Reagins impression!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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Huh. I forgot the Rangers are in it
Now I’m slightly conflicted because Yorvit :(
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But it's Yorvit :(
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
It's hard to pick between the Rangers and the Rays
I just want somebody to beat the Yankees.
"The game of baseball is made up of many little things. If we do all the little things right, then we'll never have a big thing to worry about" -- Cal Ripken, Sr.
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #3
THIS
Thank you Cookie for many years of service. Hope all goes well with you in your continued career.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
I've spent so much time in OKC
due to my Job, that I really have a soft spot for the Rangers.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Heh. Troy Renck quietly telling people to stop asking about Francona
For all asking, Rox aren’t going to talk with Francona. They have a manager and a coaching staff in place. …Francona will be fine..
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
BigGiantHead of the Ubaldo Lover's Club;OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Well, it's only 18 months until Opening Day 2013....
"The game of baseball is made up of many little things. If we do all the little things right, then we'll never have a big thing to worry about" -- Cal Ripken, Sr.
Yankee Haters Encouragement Group Member #3
For all asking, Rox aren’t going to talk with Francona. They have a manager and a coaching staff in place
We’re familiar with the staff in place. That’s why we’re asking about Francona…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Francona: Tracy :: Pitcher: Belly Itcher
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 30, 2011 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd for outstanding use of little league smack....
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener
by Junction Rox on Sep 30, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Can somebody post the playoff thread on the front page?
I couldn’t even find it before looking through this thread and it’d be nice to have found it easier.
JFK's Quote of the Day:
“Oh, it was difficult. Very difficult. I’ll say that to this day,. You know, a lot of people said when I was forty, I should quit, but I don’t think so. You should play as long as you can and as long as you enjoy the game. In ‘73, I wasn’t enjoying the game, so I quit in May, I retired, and they wouldn’t let me retire. So I finished up in the World Series. But I say to players: Play as long as you can, because you only have one chance.” ~Willie Mayes
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
JFK
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