Tuesday Pebble Report: Colorado Springs, Tulsa, Asheville Finish the Season, Tri-City Wins First Playoff Game
AAA Colorado Springs: W 6-5 (10 innings)
The Sky Sox won in walk off fashion to bring an end to a rough season. Both Jesus Merchan and Matt Pagnozzi had three hits in the game, with Pagnozzi's 10th inning double scoring Mike Paulk for the game winner. Paulk was 2 for 3 in the game with the only two Sky Sox walks as well. Only Joe Mather and Radames Nazario didn't get a hit.
The team promoted starter Cory Riordan and relievers Joe Torres and Dustin Molleken to the Sky Sox for this final game. It was the first AAA level game for all three players in their careers. Riordan started the game, going seven innings and allowing three runs on seven hits, walking none while striking out four. Torres pitched a clean inning, while Mollken blew the save by allowing two runs. A clean tenth inning from Andrew Johnston opened the door for the Sky Sox win, and he picked up his second win of the season.
Mike Zuanich was 3 for 3 with his sixth AA level home run, the only extra base hit for Tulsa in the game. Drew Pomeranz snuck in one last AA appearance after his appendectomy. He threw three innings, allowing no hits or walks while striking out three. Rob Scahill finished the game's final six innings, allowing the two Northwest Arkansas runs on six hits. He also walked none and struck out three.
A+ Modesto: L 6-4The playoff bound Nuts finished the regular season with an abominable start from Dan Perkins, who allowed all six runs to Visalia in the first two and a third innings of the game. Five Modesto relievers finished the game, allowing just two hits and a walk. Kiel Roling, Jared Clark and Eliezer Mesa each had multiple hits. Beau Seabury, fresh off the DL, knocked in two runs on a double, and yet another run on a sacrifice fly.
Avery Barnes was 3 for 4 with a double. Brett Tanos had two singles. The Tourists didn't manage much more in terms of offense. Three Asheville errors didn't help starter Josh Slaats. Though he struck out eight batters, he allowed five runs (just two earned) on eight hits and four walks.
A- Tri-City: W 6-0 (Postseason)
The Dust Devils began their postseason with an incredibly strong outing from starter Christian Bergman, who threw seven innings and allowed just two hits and a walk. He struck out eight. Craig Bennigson allowed a hit and two walks in one third of an inning pitched, but was bailed out by Kenneth Roberts. Offensively, every batter reached base at least once, with only pinch hitter Jaron Shepherd not doing so on a hit (he walked). Tyler Massey batted in two runs on two doubles, while Juan Crousset hit a 3 run homer. Leonardo Reyes had two singles.
The only MiLB team in the system that still has regular season games remaining after Labor Day, the Ghosts lost behind starter Patrick Johnson, whose first professional win will probably have to wait until at least next year. He got his fourth loss of the season after allowing three hits and four walks in four and two thirds innings pitched, which translated into three runs (two earned). Alving Mejia threw the rest of the game cleanly. Trevor Story hit his sixth pro homer, a solo shot, but ultimately allowed a run to score on a throwing error and negating the positive contribution. Story has 15 errors this season.Yafistel Roja had two hits, including a double.
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Trevor Story sounds raw, but very intriguing.
Overall, not a bad season for the boys down on the farm(s).
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Not really
3 of the 4 full-season teams had losing records & failed to make the playoffs.
Mediocrity begins in the minor leagues, and overall the Rockies’ farm teams were pretty mediocre, much like their parent team. Except for AAA, which was terrible, worse than mediocre. And due credit (?) must be given to the Casper Ghosts for completing their 15th consecutive losing season … every year since 1996.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
not that many of the players in the minors are actually legit prospects.
Legit prospect success is far more important than the teams actually winning.
Also, if you put Casper into context, you realize that the Rockies field a younger team than any other in the Pioneer league, often by a wide margin. Unless this changes, they will continue to have losing seasons, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
by black_knight101 on Sep 6, 2011 10:58 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree prospect development is more important
But overall organizational success from year to year does provide a reliable indicator, I think, of an organization’s future strength. The Astros have a bunch of losing farm teams for a number of years now. Take a look at their record. The Rays, by contrast, have had a lot of farm team success, especially the Durham Bulls. So have the Rangers. Take a look at their records.
The “only prospects count” focus on PR ignores (due to wishful thinking / inability to look at reality) the overall organizational mediocrity. Much focus has been given this year, including by O’Dowd, to the lack of aggressiveness, lack of mental toughness, whatever you want to call it, that the Rockies have. They don’t have that winning edge that the best teams do. Maybe part of it is the attitude that individual stats and future ceilings are very important. Winning doesn’t mean much.
An org. that’s never won a divisional championship might want to step back & re-think that. I think a lot of PR contributors ought to do the same.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
Asheville shouldve kept Edwar Cabrera instead of promoting him to Modesto?
Which coincided with Modestos 2ndhalf playoff run. Or should Modesto have kept Mike Zuanich while Arenado was struggling so they could have a stronger bat in their lineup?
There are several factors that go into a MiLB loss and coaching isn’t the biggest one.
by Charlie77 on Sep 6, 2011 1:14 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The point of the thread was "overall" performance
not individual player assignments.
I just don’t think a .488 winning percentage overall (for the 4 top teams) equates to “not a bad year for the boys down on the farm(s)” as stated above.
Although everything’s relative, I suppose. Compared to the Rockies’ .468 winning percentage, .488 isn’t a bad year.
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But playet assignments affect teams winning%..
Through changes in chemistry and overall talent level. How many games did John Maine lose for CSP so the Rockies could see if he had anything left in the tank for the big club? Look at all the good pitchers stockpiled in Trial Cities that Casper could’ve used, because honestly Casper has some good hitters but their pitching was awful. Then Sam Mende was promoted to Tri Cities to see how he would respond and Casper lost one of their best hitters. So its hard to seperate the two and say the minors are bad because they’re not winning games, because winning is only part of why they’re playing.
by Charlie77 on Sep 6, 2011 1:42 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you are taking a very narrow view of my "good year overall" comment.
By looking solely at win-loss records you obfuscate some meaningful and encouraging player progressions.
Here are a few of the highlights: Nolan Arenado emerges as a dominant player, Josh Rutledge proves he is a prospect to watch, Tim Wheeler finally flashes 1st round tools, Kyle Parker has a solid pro debut and seems on track to be a stud, Tyler Matzek turns the corner and looks like a dominant pitcher again, Chad Bettis looks like a stud, and Charlie Blackmon and Rex Brothers prove they are (or can be) quality major leaguers. There have been a few disappointments (Early season Matzek, Frierich, Rosario to some extent, etc.), but when was the last time the farm system seemed so exciting?
Plus, as for the records, Tri-City is in the playoffs, same for Modesto, and Ashveille and Tulsa were only a couple games out. I could care less about the Ghost’s record, so Colorado Springs is the only real looser in the bunch. Remember that most of the players on the farm are never going to be in the majors, so you can’t expect them to be driving forces on on wining teams. In my opinion, individual performance matters more than anything in the minors, with winning being extra gravy on top.
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I am confused, what exactly do you mean by this comment
I think a lot of PR contributors ought to do the same.
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
and all three were in playoff contention until the very last week of the season
You’re really overblowing this.
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by all 3, I mean Asheville, Modesto, and Tulsa
AAA Colorado Springs has exactly zero relevance on the minor league landscape right now, much like most of the PCL.
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AAA seems like an issue.
You don’t see any of our top prospects go the Colo. Springs anymore. It is essentially a repository for AAAA talent, emergnecy positional depth, and rehab projects. All the up-and-coming talent seems to be in AA or A+, even when performance would indicate a promotion is due. Do other teams operate like this? Is the PCL environment such a joke that it damages prospects, with Colo. Springs being the worst?
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by BittenAnkles on Sep 6, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
That's one of the Rockies' org.'s problems
They don’t teach players in AAA that winning is important.
Just because the Rockies’ AAA team is lousy doesn’t mean AAA isn’t an important minor league level. It’s become a convenient excuse, “Oh well … it’s just Colo. Springs and the PCL. It really doesn’t count.”
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what? seriously?
You think the problem is the Rockies haven’t specifically taught Willy Taveras, Mike Jacobs, Jorge Cantu and Josh Muecke etc that they should want to win?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 6, 2011 12:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
It's not "the" problem
It’s “a” problem. The ongoing poor performance of the Rockies’ AAA farm team contributes, in my opinion, to the ongoing poor performance of the major league team. “AAA doesn’t matter” is a common attitude around here. I think it’s a bad attitude.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
that's the general fan's attitude
I don’t think there is any evidence that it extends to the players there, who are playing their hearts out for one last or first shot at the bigs.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 6, 2011 12:56 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
AAA doesn't matter because it simply isn't a place for player development
I’m definitely not losing sleep over the Rockies’ future because of the poor performances of the Sky Sox this season.
Some farm teams win fro different reasons. The Rays keep their top pitchers down in the minors for much longer, the Giants make sure to stock their Cal League team with top prospects at the expense of their other clubs, the Astros really have no top prospects.
I’d much rather have 2-3 legitimate impact prospects at every level than a bunch of decent college arms and bats (that are likely AAAA) that win their division. Our farm system is heavily on the former, with less interest in the latter. I don’t think minor league records say anything at all about the state of the Rockies’ future or current prospect talent level.
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Heh.
I used the wrong day in the title.
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Fixed.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 6, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I've been followin the minor league teams for the past couple of years.
I would say that this is the most excited I’ve been about the farm system since I’ve been paying attention to it. I realize there was a surge of talent/big league contributors in the GenR/Todd and the Toddlers years, but this is the most talent there’s been in a few years.
I blame that on the very poor 2006-2008 drafts. Hopefully the drafting has turned around since then, and based on many individual performances this year and statements DOD has made in recent years, I have belief that just such a thing has occurred in the past few years.
As for "good year" or not.
The Rockies organization clearly focuses on player development and performance above that of team success at the various levels.
You might not agree with that, but it is a fact that this is how the organization is run.
Looking at it in terms of that (individual performances), as well as the fact that the only teams out of playoff contention were Casper and the Sky Sox), I agree that this has been a good year for the Rockies MiLB affiliates.
The PCL gets mentioned alot...
How is the PCL different than the International League? Is there a grossly unbalanced amount of hitters parks in the PCL compared to the International League? Do teams with PCL affiliates just tend to use it more as a AAAA store more than teams with International League affiliates? Whats the deal?
Also, why is it that the Rox field a younger team at Casper than anyone else in the Pioneer league? Is it because we also have a Short A league and most of the other teams that have Pioneer League don’t have Short-A season teams? If thats the case, what’s the benefit of having both a Short-A and a Rookie team?
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The PCL includes teams in Colorado Springs, Salt Lake, Reno, Las Vegas, Albuquerque and Tucson. It’s upper elevation desert ball, a bunch of tiny Coors Fields. The International League is on the east coast.
As for Casper, some organizations, like the Dodgers, house their Tri City level affiliate in the Pioneer League, while they have their lower rookie level team in the Arizona Summer League or another Rookie League. So it isn’t that we hav ea Short Season team and they don’t, it’s more that their short season team is in our rookie team’s league, and their rookie team is in a lower league.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 6, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
To expand
I believe there are just two organizations using the Pioneer League as its starting level (Chicago White Sox and the Rockies). As such, there’s a great disparity in age. This will become clear this month when the Rockies house several of the league’s top 10 prospects (Orem and Casper could each put three guys in the top 10).
I knew the number was small, but I didn't know who the other team(s) were
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions

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