Wednesday Rockpile: September is Shaping the 2012 Rockies
by Jeff Aberle on Sep 7, 2011 7:48 AM MDT
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In what has been truly a dreary season, it was very nice indeed to see Troy Tulowitzki get an important hit in a high leverage situation to lead Colorado to victory last night. If nothing else, it feels like we're through the doldrums of late August, in that the Rockies now at least have some interesting new rookies to watch as the brass begins to shape the 2012 roster. Here are three positions they are evaluating closely with an eye toward 2012:
Back end of starting rotation: So far, the rotation for next year has one name written in ink (Jhoulys Chacin), two more written in pencil (Alex White, Drew Pomeranz), and two spots that are up for grabs. A month ago I would have included Jason Hammel in the second category, but he's been removed from the rotation, pitched well in the bullpen, and then he pitched very well in a spot start last night. He's probably the front-runner for a spot in the rotation at this point.
The veteran Kevin Millwood has been excellent despite his HR tendencies (6 in 32 IP), exhibiting great control and the ability to go deep in ballgames. He's very likely a guy Colorado brings back next year. Esmil Rogers has a winning record (6-5) and a hideous ERA (6.26) -- at this point I'd rather keep him far away from the rotation. There's the grab bag of Greg Reynolds, Clayton Mortensen, and Christian Friedrich to potentially shore up the rotation if needed, but the Rockies will likely bring in another free agent starter to compete for a spot in Spring Training.
Pomeranz is making his major league debut on Sunday, guaranteeing a significant amount of interest in one remaining Rockies game at least. This will make him the first lefty starter for the Rockies since Jorge De La Rosa went down in May.
Third base: This position has been a mess all year, and it looks to be even messier going into next season. Colorado has a whole gaggle of in-house candidates for the position right now: incumbent Ian Stewart, handyman Ty Wigginton, recent pickup Kevin Kouzmanoff, former 1st round SS Chris Nelson, former catching prospect Jordan Pacheco (who started last night), the recently injured Jonathan Herrera, or even mega-prospect 3B Nolan Arenado (who tore up High A as a 20 year-old this season).
Wigginton will probably be on the roster next year given that he is under contract, but I wouldn't count on him being named the starter. I will count on Jim Tracy playing him way too much, however. Colorado will keep either one or none of Stewart and Kouzmanoff due to the fact that both players will be owed multi-million dollar contracts next year if Colorado does tender them a contract thanks to the wonderful arbitration system. Stewart is in line for around $2 - 2.5 million while Kouzmanoff could make anywhere from $4 - 6 million. Given that Kouzmanoff has a lower ceiling and a higher price tag, I'd bet on the Rockies keeping Stewart if anything, especially since he has a minor league option remaining.
Nelson, Herrera, and Pacheco are all vying for what I see as one utility infield position next season, with Herrera automatically having the edge due to his scrappy veteraniness. Nelson has been awful thus far in his MLB experience, but he definitely has the highest ceiling of the three. Pacheco has the added benefit as being able to catch in a pinch, plus he's an excellent contact hitter. Nelson is out of options, so it will be the end of the line for him if he doesn't make the team next spring, while both Herrera and Pacheco could be sent back down if necessary. Meanwhile, I don't believe that Arenado will be up with the team until next September at the earliest.
Then again, Colorado could bring in David Wright this offseason and everyone would be happy.
Second base: Mark Ellis has been a league average player for Colorado since being acquired two months back, but he is a free agent. I would be very surprised if the Rockies didn't try hard to get him back as the starter next year, and I wouldn't be too upset if they did. Herrera, Pacheco, and Nelson are all candidates for this job as well, with the same pros and cons applying. Again, I see Herrera as the front-runner for the utility/starting spot, but Nelson might be able to snatch it with a strong September/Spring.
Bonus position -- Catcher: I'm very interested to see if a Chris Iannetta/Wilin Rosario combination will indeed be the pair that the Rockies use next year -- I am hoping against hope.
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A big thumbs-up
For conducting a discussion of the 2012 rotation with no mention of Aaron Cook. Hopefully the front office will do the same.
Some time in the bullpen probably helped Hammel, if only by allowing him to know the feeling of doom that sets in when the phone rings in the 4th inning for the third or fourth night in a row.
I can't see the front office bringing back Cook
If they do, then DOD is back in love with his players again. At that point, we all need to take DOD out for a drink and knock some sense into him.
I agree
But you will be hard-pressed to read or hear a discussion of the 2012 staff that doesn’t include some kind of case for bringing Cook back at a lower salary. I honestly would have no interest if he was willing to pitch for free. The team needs to move on, and either let Cook retire (quite comfortably, I might add) or hook on with a different team.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 7, 2011 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Hammel seemed distracted all season..
and I’m hoping the birth of his child will settle him down. I know for me personally everything in my life settled down after having my first.
by Charlie77 on Sep 7, 2011 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've made the case
not out of any real desire to have him back, but out of a realistic perspective that the other options are not really more attractive, other than in an “grass is always greener” sense. And probably partially in a desire not to continually and relentlessly dump all over a guy that has been a big part of the success of this franchise in recent years. But to each their own.
How is Pacheco defensively at 2b or 3b?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Checo was ok at 3B last night.
He made a few good plays. He failed another difficult test with an errant throw. At the moment, he’s acceptable. The real question is 2B.
That boy ain't right,
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 7, 2011 8:02 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
"Bobby, someday I'm going to die...
and then, you can go to cooking school!"
by Northsider1964 on Sep 7, 2011 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions
He really looked like Matt Holliday-lite to me
It was eerie.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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Please hit like Matt Holliday too.
tia.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 7, 2011 8:12 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I picked up a Jeff Baker hint too
Very similqe face, just less chiseled
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 8:22 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
how about in the minors?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Maybe Pacheco knows how much the Springs inflates stats
so he only wanted to face major league pitching and not get all comfortable feasting on AAA pitching.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions
How dare he attempt to counter such core organizational philosophy!!
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
pretty darn good loogy too
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 8:28 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I think my head asploded
When he didn’t pinch hit Spilly for him.
by Utah Rockies Fan on Sep 7, 2011 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Spilly reaggravated his foot
and will miss the rest of the season
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Adios and happy trails, Spilly.
We’ll always have the commercials….
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
SpillySlam would like a word
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Statistical Anomaly is holding for you on line 1.
What would you like me to tell him?
Get well soon Juan.
What I mean is that in Spillylore
the SpillySlam reigns supreme over all his ads.
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I missed that
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
end of the Armstrong recap in the Post
linked above
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It will slip Tracy's mind by tonight
When he inserts EY in LF to face Joe Saunders.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 7, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions
So help me god I will shake him....
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Are you going to be at the ballpark?
Just start a line to slap him, a la “Airplane”
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nope, went last night.
I’m guessing Troy Renck is going to be wincing at his twitter feed if Smith isn’t starting tonight.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll be there.
I got your back.
“This is from FI#2!” /Shakes JT
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
thanks.
double chest bump.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions
This assumes, of course, that there will actually be a game tonight.
Stupid rain.
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
This reminds me that I'm going Friday and
haven’t invited anyone yet. This may end up as another ticket for a Rowbot.
Stay tuned.
So if Helton can give us one more year like this one
and Fowler keeps walking and smoking line drives, this team will have All-star level production at RF and SS as well as arguably at 1B, C, CF. If we sign Josh Willingham to play LF/1B that gives us All star level production in LF. A 2B/3B combo of Ellis/Kouz with Pacheco on the bench means maybe we can move Wiggy in the offseason. That probably leaves Herrera fighting Field as our second utility bat/backup SS. Rosario, Blackmon and Giambi/Wheeler/FA signing on the bench. That is a lineup that should score runs, if the starting rotation can be solid/good we are likely right back in the thick of it.
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Honestly, we don't need Josh Willingham
You will all hate me for saying so, but a Cargo/Dex/Wigginton-Smith platoon is a very effective outfield, with Blackmon getting 3 starts a week.
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I would actually be OK with that
as long the Ty Wigginton Outfield Experience was held to a minimum.
Id rather go with Blackmon over Wiggy
but yes the platoon partner doesnt fit well with that
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Sep 7, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Wiggy vs LHP: .287/.385/.479
Smith vs RHP: .303/.360/.547
You want all-star level production in the outfield alongside Cargo and Dex? There’s your all-star level production. Smith would get the majority of starts, and Wiggy can share spots at 1B and 3B.
Now if only we had a manager that would do such a thing on a consistent basis…
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it's got a lot of syllables
as the British like to do.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Sir Dexter Cargo Wigginsmith
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
III
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I Demand Jonny Gomes
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions
andruw jones
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2012: get ready for White Pomz!
psh the Yankees will reup him
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions
the yankee fan in me says yay
but the rockies fan in me says no
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I'd love him and his good glove platooning with Smith
Just saying that the Yankees are going to want to keep him….although I’m not 100% sure why.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd rather pay Willingham 6.5 than Wiggy 4 especially if Pacheco can hit like wiggy
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No guarantees on either one
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i'd rather pay aramis 12-15, especially if he hits like aramis
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2012: get ready for White Pomz!
By "12-15", I assume you mean his 2012 market value of "18-20"
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how many years does that dude get?
Five?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
no
probably 3 with an option
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I dunno.
He could ask for the moon this offseason and probably get it. 3B is a black hole, and he’s the only elite hitter available at that position.
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I would see something in the 4/65 5/70
being his ceiling he is 33 after all.
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
If that's what he is commanding
then I’m a much bigger proponent of signing him. Realistically I’m thinking a 5 year contract with an option. Some team will do it. #JaysonWerth
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
he'd also probably want some bs no trade clause
I’d like to sign him to a contract and then if he plays well, trade him after two years to fix whatever hole we’ll have then
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I am 100% sure some idiot team will sign him to an albatross contract that will price out the Rox
NB there is a small chance this team could be the Rockies. God I hope it isn’t.
Id agree with this
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I doubt very seriously that he is the guy we throw money at
his 800+ OPS is very nice but he isn’t that far superior to internal options like Kouz/Pacheco/Wigs not 12+ Million a year better, certainly not with Arenado in the system
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
I think the thing I like most about Aramis
is that he’s not Michael Cuddyer
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
The thing I don't like about him is that
he’s twice my age. Okay, not really, but it’s closer than it should be for that kind of contract
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn't want to sign him for more than 3 years really...
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Ideally
O’Dowd would be able to sign him for a deal like JDLR’s where if Aramis does well after a year or two can opt out for a bigger paycheck. If he could do that and trade for Martin Prado I’d lose it (in a good way!)
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
No way either happens
Prado is Jones replacement, and Aramis has no reason to sign with us, especially with the big spenders like the White Sox, Dodgers, Angels, Tigers, and Cubs all having Black Holes at 3B
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
well we could offer him a deal on par with those
and the player option would allow him to resign with those teams down the line.
It’s not the money that concerns me with Aramis, its his age/inconsistency/crappy defense. I wouldn’t want him on this team for more than a few seasons…
I’m also not sure Prado is Jones’ replacement considering they have no OF’s either and that Jones and Prado are set to become free agents at the same time (assuming Jones’ option gets picked up)
I think I’d do Wheeler, Friedrich, and some potential 3b not named Arenado for Prado and a strong bullpen arm – which would then allow us to trade Street and his salary away comfortably.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
LF are easier to get then 3B and since Jones is 40 this offseason
Prado is 28 with an 800+ OPS in the 3 seasons before this and can play 2B,3B, and LF they aren’t giving that guy up.
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
I don't expect the Braves to be looking to deal Prado
but rather maybe we can just make a good trade for him. Prado is only around for 2 more years. If they can get some good cost controlled offensive players like Wheeler, Nelson or whoever, they may listen – they have pitching but their offense has been pretty terrible…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
They are 19th in Runs Scored
and by a good number the lowest of the potential playoff teams.
I’m not counting the Giants as a potential playoff team anymore.
true but do you reall expect Uggla not to be better next year
or Prado? or Heyward? or Freeman? or a full year of Bourn and Mccan not making that offense better next year?
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Im not sure about Freeman and Heyward
otherwise I agree. They’re prime for a rebound – a full season of Bourn plus Uggla and Prado coming back will help. Hence why I’d try to buy low on Prado.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I can't imagine
getting Prado without starting with Arenado and adding to that with impact guys.
yea, if that's the case
then screw it. I just want to sell high on Wheeler. They also only have Bourn for one more year so it may behoove them to try to shore up the OF offense…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
They would probably take Arenado for Prado
straight up, then go sign someone like Kouz, and WIllingham but I would never give up an impact bat like Arenado for a guy uncertain as Prado
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Unless they think he's hurt or really in decline
I can’t see how this would be possible.
Unrealistic no matter what
but if they thought they could get the Rockies best hitting prospect to add to a lineup with a 23 YO Freeman, 22YO Heyward, and that super young and talented staff they would probably do it. Prado is talented but getting a top 50 prospect is no joke look what we got for an Ace on a friendly contract
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
But they are contending now
the same reason we didn’t move Atkins or Hawpe when they should have. Headley is a much more realistic target than Prado IMO.
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
I'd love to get him too
but I feel like the intra-division crap plus Headley coming off of his best season will make trading for him difficult…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
The Pads are unlikely to give up cost controlled
talent no matter what, but he is the best 3B who is both affordable and realistically available
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
he's in line for a big raise I'd imagine
and is a FA after 2013 so there is some wiggle room – especially given how in the midst of rebuilding/payroll slashing the Padres are. but he still remains a longshot.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I'm not saying anything except what I said.
That being said, they’re going to need some help offensively too.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Right but if they trade Prado who replaces Jones
when at 40 years old he gets hurt playing the hot corner?
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
maybe that's something we can address in a trade
Stewart? Pacheco? Nelson?
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
He is two years older than Beltre with inferior defense and a slightly better
hitting record that has a couple reasons for concern
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
he's been pretty injury prone too
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
and there are literally no other impact options
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I would pass at that price
especially if Pacheco hits at all in this call up
~ Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too ~
Why doesn't Tracy platoon Tulo against RH pitchers?
His AVG his 30 points lower against righties. Seems like Jim should start a lefty bat and save Tulo for the LH pitchers.
because Tracy is a friggin' idiot
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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by Resolution on Sep 7, 2011 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions
oh, the days when winona ryder was a) relevant and b) attractive
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Someone tell me I missed a joke, please
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions
That IS the joke.
President Emeritus of the Smeth Sith (a.k.a. Smith Lord) Fan Club, boasting a whopping four members.
that I missed the joke?
Listen, Data, you talk straight with me.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions
You make me wonder why I want to be human.
President Emeritus of the Smeth Sith (a.k.a. Smith Lord) Fan Club, boasting a whopping four members.
by trekinaz on Sep 7, 2011 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
But seriously.
This site is too hard to navigate.
And you fell into a sarchasm.
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I can never tell with Charlie.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Am I the only one on PR
who thinks that Willingham is slightly above AVERAGE AT BEST?
People seem to be making him out to be some sort of Ken Griffey Jr. in his prime. IT irks me
by Purple Row Troll on Sep 7, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree
though I think platooning him and then also having him as a pinch hitter would be a good deal. I would say it’s a big lateral move to replace smith with him…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
what, he isn't?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions
no you are not
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? Its time to step it up and hit at least 6 this month.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
i kind of agree
willingham is another TTO guy that jim tracy would be unable to realize has value, and thus would not be used in a way that would be most beneficial to the team
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Go Team.
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Makin your way in the NL West takes everything you got
Starting Jordan and Wilin sure would help a lot.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Wouldn't you like to win some games?
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Sometimes you want to go
where Jim Tracy knows Seth Smith’s name
and he’ll write him in the game
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
You wanna be where you can see,
Seth Smith getting hits off a lefty
You wanna be where jim Tracy Knows
Smith’s Name.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
well played.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Jordan had two hits so Tracy sits him tonight.
You know he needs a rest day in Tracy’s mind.
by Utah Rockies Fan on Sep 7, 2011 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Starting rotation
You know, I just don’t see Mortensen, Reynolds or Friedrich as starters.
I’d like to have Millwood back but think he will likely be too rich for Dan O’Dowd’s tastes. That’s usually the way it works. The Rockies pick guys up they feel are undervalued or performed well once and are distressed properties but as soon as the value goes up, the Rockies divest.
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I’d like to have Millwood back but think he will likely be too rich for Dan O’Dowd’s tastes
I get that we’re not the richest club around, but c’mon we’re not the A’s. The dude spent all year in AAA, what salary is he commanding?
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Yeah Millwood shouldn't be a tough resign if we want him.
If he wants to be here and doesn’t ask for multi years, a high salary or the golden thong, then he’ll be a Rockie.
He's at the point of his career
where he has to/will take the best offer from anyone. I agree that he’s not likely to start some huge bidding war, but his little run here could convince someone to offer a few more MM than Danny boy wants to spend. But he should be a guy we strongly consider bringing back of course.
I could see him see going to Seattle or Oakland to establish value
or maybe go to Detroit for depth there are a lot of contenders whose stadiums would make him look a lot better on a 1 year deal than we would
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For sure
as I usually say, no pitcher is going to choose Coors when they have options. And he may actually have options, who knows.
St Louis would be another one I hadn't though of or even the LAD
especially if Kuroda decides he is done
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The only difference is that we can probably guarantee him a spot
to pitch until June. These other teams may not be willing/able to do that in the offseason. I doubt he wants to end up in the same situation that he was in this year when he couldn’t get out of Pawtucket.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
True but if Edwin Jackson doesn't resign
and 15 Million is a bit rich for Carpenter(it is) that leaves Jaime Garcia, Jake Westbrook, and a whole bunch of below average options. Add Wainwright at some point and they still need some starters untill Shelby Miller and Martinez are ready
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That's probably true
but any team willing to invest the money in him is going to give him a fair shake. And I doubt many pro athletes, especially with Millwood’s track record, are going out there thinking “man I better choose this team because I won’t get demoted.”
Last year could be pretty enlightening though.
He signed a minor league contract with the Yankees. He got no traction despite Freddy Garcia and Colon. He opted out his contract and signed for the Red Sox. Again, he got no traction. That’s the kind of situation that makes a guy think.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Interesting
it might also suggest that he was desprerately trying to be a part of a WS-caliber team, and will again prioritize that if possible. Hard to say.
It could also just have been a desire to stay in the AL East.
He came from Baltimore and probably lives in the Carolinas some where.
He doesn’t have a ring though.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Ugh, why does everyone want Millwood back?
I believe AMart said it, and I totally agree with him. Millwood reminds me of Mark Redman circa 2007. And I don’t really want Mark Redman circa 2008 again.
His home run rate is the highest of his career, his strand rate is unsustainable, his FIP is a full run higher than his ERA, and he will be 38 years old next year.
Unless he will take a minimum contract, I would pass
I think its not so much a real desire
to have him back, beyond a “hey this guy might actually be able to pitch 150-170 decent innings next year and we don’t have too many obvious candidates for that role…”
Pretty much
if he can be had for cheap, he provides depth which is a something we’ll be needing again next spring.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Look
No one can top the dragon slayer
by Purple Row Troll on Sep 7, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions
He throws strikes.
He eats innings.
Two things that our rotation does not do well.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah he can eat innings but look at 2010, 2008, 2007 (yes he had a good year in 2009)
he threw over 150 innings but was pretty bad.
Like I said, if hes willing to take a super cheap contract then yeah I’m for it, but I don’t want another Mark Redman
You asked why people want him back.
I told you.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
This is the odd part.
You usually rebut an argument, not the answer to a question. I try to explain this to my wife. She doesn’t understand it either.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
It'd be harder living ALONE in my universe,
so I persevere.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Nobody wants another Mark Redman
and nobody “wants” Kevin Millwood. But while we’re at it, nobody wants Hammel or Cook or Reynolds or Mortensen. Unfortunately, some of these guys will be in our rotation next April, or some guys that are an awful lot like them.
Mark Redman 2008 didn't have Jorge De La Rosa ready to replace him mid season.
….
Oh wait, it DID. Except it was a very different JDLR.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought we wanted Millwood back
not for a full season but to have as either insurance or as a decent innings eater until JDLR is back. I view him strictly as a temporary asset for the first two months or so and one that, if performing well could be traded to a team desperate for pitching for maybe a respectable bullpen arm.
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The only reason why people want Millwood back is because he'll come super cheap.
He’s not going to be too rich for DOD. And with Nicasio/JDLR healing from their injuries, I can’t imagine Millwood being in the rotation for longer than 2 months anyway.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Hard to say, since we still don't know much about Nicasio's timetable and we can't rule out other hiccups with JDLR or Pomeranz, etc.
I could see Millwood lasting the season in a fifth starter’s role.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
This was an interesting tidbit from Armstrong:
CarGo with two outs and runners in scoring position: .478 (22-for-46) with 30 RBIs.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 9:13 AM MDT reply actions
I also mentioned that in the game wrap last night
gawsh
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions
well i was at the game and went to bed shortly after getting home
so i read neither the thread or the wrap. i’m sorry. gahd.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
shift+a'd right past it
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2012: get ready for White Pomz!
It was mentioned on the telecast too
It’s amazing what I hear when Frazier isn’t on the broadcast. Actually, Frazier says some pretty amazing things too which I would like to forget.
He's gotten better in that spot every year
2 Outs RISP numbers….
2008 – with Oakland – (33 PA’s) .067 BA / .252 OPS
2009 – (36 PA’s) .194 BA / 660 OPS
2010 – (71 PA’s) .281 BA / .852 OPS
2011 – (55 PA’s) .478 BA / 1.433 OPS
Career – (195 PA’s) .281 BA / .872 OPS
If I remember correctly, Cargo really started taking better AB’s in these spots in about August of last year. In other words, I think (although I don’t have acess to the numbers that can break it down this far) Cargo’s first half numbers with 2 out RISP of 2010 will be more like his 2008/2009 totals while his second half numbers from 2010 with 2 out RISP (espesially August and September) will be more like his 2011 numbers.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2011 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Holy Crap Mark Ellis is very nearly a type A free agent!
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i dont really see us offering him arbitration.
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 9:21 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe since he is 34
but as thin as 2B FA is is he may turn it down
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is he really going to do better than 6-7 mill for 1 year though?
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 9:41 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
a 2/11 isn't too crazy not when Derosa got 2/12 last year
but on the whole I wouldn’t risk it unless I worked it out with him to turn it down ahead of time. Honestly we would be way more like to get a pick if he stayed a Type B, since I don’t see anyone out of contention paying his 2/12 and anyone in contention wouldn’t give up a first rounder to sign him
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true, he could get a contract in that range.
He’s definitely going to accept arbitration if he’s type A though.
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 10:27 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
it might not be about the money
but rather the stability for him and a family? Or playing for a more clear contender?
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I wonder what happened in that alternate universe
where Jordan Pacheco makes the opening day roster and performs well enough to stick around.
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he gets injured
2011 doesn’t care about this.
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by Resolution on Sep 7, 2011 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Injured how?
He pulls a Dustan Mohr, I bet.
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What is pulling a Dustan Mohr?
Hitting 20 HR with a .220 BA?
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Recall Opening Day 2005,
Mohr leaped over the railing to celebrate Clint Barmes’ walkoff homer and injured his calf.
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oh... No I don't remember that
I have suppressed all my 2005 memories. (soon to be joined by 2011)
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by BittenAnkles on Sep 7, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
But that season
got us . . . Greg Reynolds!. Oh. . . .
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Dustan Mohr hit a walkoff homer in the top half of a doubleheader, I’ll have you know!
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Last career highlight, I bet.
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Anyone know anything else about the Tulo/Hernandez beef?
They have no history against each other prior to last night’s game that I know of. And Tulo didn’t exactly show up Hernandez (from what the cameras showed) when he went deep. Was Hernandez yapping at the Rox dugout earlier in the inning or something?
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
According to the KOA announcers:
Hernandez thought he was getting Squeezed, and was mouthing off at the Ump about it. Not that the Rox were letting him throw enough pitches to make that determiniation.
Get well soon Juan.
The AZ broadcast
said that after Hernandez was beaking the ump, Tulo said something to the effect of it’s not the umps fault you got rocked. But that just douchebag Mark Grace and his douchebaggyier partner.
I actually love Tulo just a little bit more
if he really said that. I
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. . . . .
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I don't understand...
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Todd Helton would never say that to a pitcher.
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Carlos Gonzalez probalby would...
I like them all just fine.
And?
I love them both equally. I like that Tulo is a bit outwardly edgier.
And also, Todd Helton would say something just more dryly and probably in such a way that the pitcher didn’t even know what was said to him.
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Helton would put his head down and quickly run around the bases.
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And maybe that deferential attitude
is why he got benched as a college QB!!!!
Just kidding. But very few athletes are Todd Heltons. And that is just fine with me on both sides of the coin.
Huh?
Tulo also ran around the bases on his 8th inning dinger.
Are these things mutually exclusive? Talking crap to the pitcher and hitting homeruns?
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I just dislike when hitters talk crap after hitting homers
or show up the pitcher, or strut, or…
It just has always bothered me, and I hate it.
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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you like CarGo's homerun
sort of behind the back bat flip?
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That doesn't bother me, and I don't think it's the same concept
I guarantee you that every single one of you hated Barry Bonds or Manny Ramirez after they stayed in the batter’s box and watched their homers. I view chirping at the pitcher as the same type of attitude issue.
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I think CarGo's bat thing is exactly that.
It’s just far more subtle. Because he drops behind him, it doesn’t look as obvious.
I don’t mind some bat flips and HR watching. It all depends on the context of the game and the HR itself as to whether or not it bothers me.
Mostly I hate it because they probably are beating my team at the point. But I don’t get as worked up about that anymore. Probably because CarGo does it too now…
so you know , hypocrisy FTW right here…
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I've got no problem
with posing for bombs. I wish our guys had a bit more swagger sometimes. There’s a line between swagger and just being a d*ck of course, but that line is pretty far out there.
I think the only ridiculous one was Guillen's
for the Royals this year. But it was so ridiculous it was kind of funny.
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There are many other good reasons to hate Manny Ramirez and Barry Bonds
that had nothing to do with them gazing at their home runs. They took more (and possibly even undeserved) flack for it than the average player but that was more the court of public opinion’s way of voicing its displeasure with the way they conducted themselves the other 99% of the time.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
I like Manny Ramirez's attitude more than Troy Tulowitzki's.
Yeah, I said it.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
whoa....whoa ...whoa...
/gasp
whooooaaaaa
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Some people also
like pop country music more than heavy metal. There’s no accounting for taste.
The hell you say?
I’m shocked. Shocked, that people have different tastes.
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yep they are called grownups
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Whooa whoaaa whoaaa
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Circus magazine
has nothing to do with heavy metal.
Well not these days
but in the late eighties I remember Megadeth and Metallica making it into those pages
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Ha!
I struggle with this, as I drive around with my daugher. Definite moral dilemma, though I’m hard pressed to find something else that is acceptable and also not miserable for me. She likes 80s rap, which is kinda amusing I guess.
She is definitely pretty awesome at doing the Dio devil horns thing though. Gotta keep it real somehow.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
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I'm going to pretend you didn't say that...
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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't agree, but I understand the rationale
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And I, similarly, understand exactly why it is tough for people to like Ramirez.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
I confess to laughing at some of Manny's antics
plus surprisingly, on a completely shallow level….under all those baggy jerseys…dude was built like Adonis
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No, I always hated Ramirez...
for all the time he wasted in the batter’s box. I hated Bonds simply as a natural reflex action – he’s and all-round asshole, ergo, I hate him. A little HR showboating never hurt anyone but I agree about chirpiness towards the pitcher – not cool.
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The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
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Wasn't the Hernandez thing after Tulo had already run around the bases
and Hernandez was jawing at the ump as he was walking off the field? If Tulo said something over his shoulder (which I didn’t see), I’m not sure how that’s the same thing. In this case, I feel like Hernandez brought it on himself.
BINGO!!!!!!!
Tulo mouthed the words when he sitting on the bench AFTER Hernandez was thrown out. …
nobody reads :(
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
Which still makes me love him a little bit more :)
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is it directed at the batter?
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How can you really be sure that all bat flips,
fistpumps etc, that happen after a batter hits a homerun or does something otherwise good is actually showing up the pitcher?
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It's arrogant, it's cocky, and I don't view it within the spirit of the game.
I guess I’m alone in that.
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Probably not alone...
in the whole of baseball fandom, but probably so in your demographic.
I'm with Muzia on this one.
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I was overstating a bit for sure
but the point is that most people don’t really care anymore outside of specific situations pertinent to their own team. And the “unwritten rules” cover all this stuff anyway, really. But everyone can enjoy (or not) this game their own way, no black or white really.
You're wrong
Muzia’s opinion is wrong. SDCat’s opinion is wrong. Everyone is wrong ’sept me
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F YOU I'M RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG.
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why?
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it would be an effective way to for him
to settle the argument about who was right
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Look how wrong you are
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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2011 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Look how wrong Muzia is.
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I'm used to it.
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I still love you though
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Those terms shouldn't apply....
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
I would also like to be wrong.
This year sucks.
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shouldn't you be in class
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
2012: get ready for White Pomz!
That is exactly where I am.
Woo, volcanoes!
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2011 1:07 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
POSTING ON PR DURING CLASS?!
BAND!
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2012: get ready for White Pomz!
wut
No I should get a medal.
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2011 1:14 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
You're at Mines.
Make one.
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Mined over matter.
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2011 1:18 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Does this mean
you dislike at least 1/4 of baseball players? I think a lot of them do it..
even CarGo.
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It certainly impacts my opinion of them, absolutely
I don’t own a Cargo jersey.
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Go with more of a Snidely Whiplash look.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
I really like Johnny Mercer.
I don’t think he ever flipped his bat.
Irving Berlin, on the other hand, was a major bat flipper.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
NTTIAWWT
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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2011 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not understanding the distinction then
My question is how can we know whether that activity is showing up the pitcher or just the batter doing some celebration.
Back to the Tulo comment to the pitcher. I think in the context of the series so far with the Dbacks, there is some bad blood brewing because of all the plunking etc., which contributes to me not being bothered by it.
This ain’t Little League.
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This ain’t Little League.
Yep. These are a bunch of alpha males playing a sport for millions as part of a billion dollar entertainment industry. Personalities and storylines are welcome.
It's funny, cricket is viewed as such a quaint, genteel game
but the abuse that’s shared between batsman and bowler would shock even the rummiest old sailor.
I can't "know" the reasoning behind it
I hate Brian Wilson because of his beard and celebration. I hate Papelbon for his dance. I hate Pedroia because I hate Pedroia.
It’s completely my opinion, and it’s not at all limited to non-Rockies players.
Don’t bark at the pitcher after home runs. Don’t take your time around the bases, or blow kisses, or strut. You won the battle, now get your ass back to the dugout.
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Professional baseball needs players with personalities.
even ones I can’t stand along with the Todd Helton’s (who is quite snarky himself IRL)
I can’t stand Brian Wilson’s persona(I’m sure he’s a fine person IRL) and I’m glad that he exists for me to dislike and bemoan. I can even see where Tulo would annoy the opposing team but I appreciate that this game needs personalities.
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I can name plenty of baseball players with "personalities" forged out of more than just jock machismo.
Including one we were talking about just last night in Mr. Hammel.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
I didn't say that's only personalities that I like
as my comment already alluded to. I think the game needs a balance of all of it. Some people love Brian Wilson and Tulo and Todd Helton and Albert Pujols. And some people can’t stand any of them.
I’m saying the MLB game needs both to keep people coming in. Whether we like it or not, some of those annoying personalities are part and parcel of some of the best players. I can’t stand Wilson, but the SOB can pitch……
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I have mixed feelings about Wilson.
I, for one, love the beard because I appreciate when people find an unusual aesthetic and go with it, as dubious as his attention whoring reasoning behind it may be.
I liked his interviews in The Franchise aplenty as well.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
My only issue with Wilson (non baseball)
Is that he stole his persona from Zach Galafanakis.
Get well soon Juan.
I can see some similarities in the appearance, but not in the character.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
And by personality, you mean his beard?
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He's not a "personality" though
given that nobody outside of Colorado has any idea who he is, or is likely to care.
You're saying that in order to be a personality, you have to be well known?
I would certainly disagree with this.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
of course not
but if a tree falls in the woods…
It DOES make a sound.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes, it says
“Did anyone even hear me? Do they know I exist? Do I exist?” followed by simpering which no one hears.
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So you are a tree?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
nothing wrong with that at all
but the larger point is that 99% of rockies fans have never heard Hammel’s voice. I’m sure the ball boys could be big personalities too, or the bullpen catcher, or Matt Daley or whoever. But they’re not “personalities” in the way SD cat meant it above.
I don't necessarily follow your reasoning behind the importance of significant amounts of people recognizing Hammel's value.
I took Cat to mean personality as describing ANY player with a unique, identifiable characterization, not necessarily only superstars. Maybe she can clarify.
But regardless, I intend to group Hammel in with the best of them because I recognize his personality, and that’s ultimately all that is important in the construction of my own viewpoint.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
I took her to mean that
baseball needs personalities because it makes following the game on a broad scale more interesting. Guys you love to hate, guys you can debate about, guys that stand out. To me, Hammel doesn’t move the needle in that sense, whether or not he’s a big personality in his own right.
This is true as well.
Well, we sure seem to hate him when he’s not playing well :P
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Considering I follow baseball about 80% for the cinematic story...
… I agree with the sentiment expressed in this interpretation, but not for the limitation to the big cyclical surface stories.
It applies, to me, to the Jason Hammels of the baseball world too.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think
we are really arguing then. I was just thinking more macro than you.
And less relativistic, which is always the easiest way to confuse me...
:D
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
You are mostly correct
The lesser known players with interesting character qualities, or quirks etc.
But people don’t always wish to take the time to find out about these “lesser known” players.
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I think our biggest outwardly obvious "personalities"
are probably Spilly, Huston, and Giambi. Tulo is really rather bland in interviews and always quite serious.
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I would put Hammel on the list above Street, personally.
Helton is also quite a personality, despite being subdued instead of outgoing, making him the antithesis to most of the players we’re discussing. Another underrated character on the team is Jorge De La Rosa.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I wasn't sure about how to include
Helton. I guess there are levels of “stardom” vs “personalities”.
basically, the game needs all of the above.
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as long as you freely admit that you would love if Wilson was on your team
and you would hate Tulo if he was a Giant.
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Why is this necessary?
I wouldn’t like Wilson no matter what team he played for. I would appreciate him being a good player for us, but I wouldn’t like him. Just as you feel towards Tulo.
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You would love Tulo as a Giant?
I really, really, really doubt that.
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This is sort of my litmus test for Tulo dislike.
I take an instance, like what he (reportedly) said to Hernandez last night, and I imagine a hypothetical: “If Tulo were on the Giants and said something like that to our pitcher, how would I feel about it?”
And I’d hate it, of course. I’d hate Tulo if he were on any other team.
But I’m sure glad he’s on ours.
Hypothetically, I would appreciate his skills as a player
and realize that he’s probably a good guy IRL, as I assume Wilson is). And yes every time he made a lollipop throw that made us look silly and hits a dinger to beat us, I would curse him till the cows come home. And I would want to punch him in the face.
I would not like Wilson no matter what. I don’t care for his persona etc. I guess I just don’t get him.
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I would hate Tulo if he became a Giant.
This year sucks.
by prettyinpurple on Sep 7, 2011 12:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
but but but,
You must always love your Rockie family…even those who go astray …
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
Naw....
I mean, it’s easier to root for guys who end up in the AL and are like Ubaldo. But I usually don’t follow ex-Rockies. I would be so bitter and would hate Tulo more than any hypothetical ex-Rockie ’cause my heart would break.
This year sucks.
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There are a very select few players who leave this team and retain my love
One of them wears #38. Another one wore #9.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions
....ian stewart?
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ding ding
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah, that makes more sense than the thing i said.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
2012: get ready for White Pomz!
he's close to cracking the top 78 or something
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Jamey Carroll is making me question this rule
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Yeah...I'm over Jamey
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See, I think some people separate the two things you dislike into different categories
For instance, I’m not a fan of the Red Sox – However, I love Dustin Pedroia and hate Jonathan Papelbon.
I view them as different types of voicterous personalities. The Pedroia’s of the world (IMHO) are intense players who will stop at nothing to win even if they start to roam into the cocky territory. It just comes with their desire. I love this group of players and would place Tulo in this group.
The Papelbons/Wilsons on the other hand drive me nuts because I believe their #1 goal is to draw attention to themselves.
I don’t know if that makes sense but that’s where my line is drawn.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree with 90% of this
they start to roam into the cocky territory
Call them what they are. They are cocky. They are arrogant. There is nothing “start” about it.
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This is interesting.
Because I struggle with the line between cocky and arrogant vs confidence.
Not in my life, but trying to decide if someone is arrogant or confident. I think Tulo is confident and edgy at times.
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Players like Tulo and Pedroia would proudly call themselves those titles
Some people like that in a ballplayer, others don’t.
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I don't see a huge difference
most highly successful people are incredibly cocky/arrogant/confident, in any game/profession…and particularly in sports. Either you have a problem with those who don’t hide it or not, and I figure we all know where certain people stand.
Confident is what our players are
cocky is what their players are simple as that
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by TomCat009 on Sep 7, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love this.
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Meh...I don't think I agree
that it’s that cut and dried.
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Lets just call it a template
that is at least 85-90% spot on
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Can't quite get to that percentile
maybe 60%
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You are free to draw your own conclusions
my numbers say otherwise. Many pro players are like that friend everyone has that if they weren’t your friend you would think they are an ass. If they are your friend already you find a way to contexualise and minimalise their behavior. It is like a friend of mine used to tell me about getting girls to me he said “it seems if they have decided to like you there is almost nothing you can do to change their minds, then again the same is true if they decide not to take a liking to you”
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See my thing is I don't lump all the cocky players into one like or dislike bucket.
Cocky is defined as someone who is “excessively proud of oneself”.
If you’re a terrible or even mediocre player, then yes I’m not a fan of this type of cocky player because they have no reason to open their mouth.
However, if you’re as good as Pedroia and Tulo and also have the work ethic of Pedoria and Tulo – Why shouldn’t you be “excessively proud of oneself”? You’re REALLY GOOD and it’s largely because you outworked others. I think that’s something to be damn proud of.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
True but if this standard is applied to
Barry Bonds(probably the best baseball player of the last 80 years) he can act impugnity.
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Fixed
"Unless the player is believed to be using PEDs"
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he did use PEDs
he testified so in a grand jury
The hatred for Bonds started before the PED
allegations, and reached a zenith before anyone testified to anything
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The differnce here is that Barry Bonds has a whole lot more not to be proud of than he does to be proud of
I’d argue the complete opposite is true of the other guys.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
That's fair
I guess I like players who are cocky and confident then AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THEY GAME TO BACK IT UP.
I hate the dog and pony show Papelbon and company bring to the table though that has nothing to do with the game
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I think a big problem is
that once ball players start to have a personality and to be human, everyone wants to dissect it a million different ways more in the interests of confirming previously held beliefs rather than at arriving at any objective, genuine conclusion.
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THIS GUY TWEETS TOO MUCH
NOW, I DON’T USE TWITTER OR EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, BUT IT’S OBVIOUS THAT WHEN STEWART IS TWITTERING AT 1130PM AT NIGHT WHILE UNWINDING AND PLAYING CALL OF DUTY, HE SHOULD ACTUALLY BE IN THE BATTING CAGES, EXHAUSTING HIMSELF OT THE POINT OF INEFFECTIVENESS IN THE NEXT DAY’S GAME
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I resemble that remark.
Or, at least, I used to.
President Emeritus of the Smeth Sith (a.k.a. Smith Lord) Fan Club, boasting a whopping four members.
That's the danger of trying to judge a player's personal life
What do we know?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions
THAT DRUNKEN BASTARD/DOWN-TO-EARTH-NORMAL-GUY!!!
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Realize that I was right the first time?
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y...maybe?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I swear
the worst part about players showing off or doing anything more than a robot isn’t the player’s actions or intentions, it’s the friggin’ fans.
I’d almost, allllmooooostt be for banning showboating and tweeting and facebook and whatever for players just so I’d never have to listen to the hard facts (aka opinions directly tied to how well the team/player is doing) on the subject again.
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You're gonna haaaaaate Bryce Harper
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions
already do.
The Martha Stewart of processed foods.
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I can't remember who I read
But they’re saying that baseball needs villains, and Harper might be the perfect badguy.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions
was that on yahoo?
think i read the same piece. can’t agree more, i love harper’s attitude
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I don't care either way
but he’s clearly here to put a run in many a stocking.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions
and here I am without any
nail polish….Hate that guy.
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Washington is gonna be something to see in a few years
They will have plenty of talent and personality – And to top it all off, they will be making their upswing while Philly starts to slide. I anticipate a wild struggle when the balance of power in the division starts to shift.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
They are really going to HATE that Werth
Contract by then
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bryce harper is one of the few players i dislike
giant douche
Nope.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Cody Ross!!!!
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2011 11:00 AM MDT via iPhone app up reply actions
He annoys me for about 100 other reasons
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That's the main reason I hate him.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2011 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Damn Cat-annoyer!!
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-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
Agreed
Hit your bomb, toss the bat, run the bases. Don’t even acknowledge the other team unless you just set a record and they’re high fiving you and making sure you step on 1st.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Have you ever seen Todd run?
Nothing about it could be described as “quick.”
LOL...okay that was funny
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I'll bet he could beat Garrett Atkins.
…
I’ll bet I could beat Garrett Atkins.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Matt Holliday might yell "Yeah Bitch"
he still seems like a good guy
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Todd and Tulo are different types of awesome
You don’t have to dislike one of their personalities to appreciate the other.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
But in this case their reactions are opposite,
So using what you like about one player to explain what you don’t like about another in this instance is a valid comparison.
I'm confused....
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I thought we were speaking in Morse code.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not sure how this even started....
Was my sentence that undecipherable?
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Muzia went ....
Because he does not like Tulo’s attitude, but I guess he felt like he didn’t have to say it.
I responded with …_ _ _ …
Because it was as if he were posting in Morse code with the ….
… _ _ _ … is S.O.S. because you love Abba.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Ohhhh thanks....I was quite lost
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It was Purgatory.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
It's funny.
My original comment to this was going to be “/gets popcorn.” But I figured that this wasn’t going anywhere.
My opinion is that I was wrong.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
ya, it's the unexpected "discussions" that are the most fun...pass the popcorn :)
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Can I have some popcorn/
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It's crossing the 4th wall
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Immersion?
I didn’t realize this was a Baptist Rockpile….
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by Junction Rox on Sep 7, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
actually he told Hernandez to get the f... out/ after the ump tossed him
I know this because we re-ran it like seventy -seven times…just sayin
In all things, it is better to hope than despair.
This needs the "Get out" gif
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? Its time to step it up and hit at least 6 this month.
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Someone has to hit a D-Back today.
It has to happen.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll feel a bit shortchanged if we don't
at least have some bench clearing pushing and shoving and milling about.
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Milling about?
Will there be cocktails involved?
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
With any luck
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Then it will be my turn to rant about player attitude.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
it was strange watching him walk off. i don’t really remember a lot of pitches that were close being called balls.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
My natural inclination is to hate the post-HR trash talk too, but...
…this Rockies team needs a major attitude adjustment, and I think Tulo is smart enough to know how to provide that.
These guys have spent an entire season going, “Oh, well. Another season goes by underachieving and wasting serious, MVP-caliber talent. Oh, well!” Their whole demeanor is just entirely too passive and nonchalant, when they need to be feared and intimidating. Tonight, when the Diamondbacks are taking the field, they’re not just concerned with playing good baseball, they’re thinking about a huge Home Run (and the a snide remark made by) the opposing SS. They’re thinking about the OTHER team, and that’s to our advantage.
At this point, bring on your Tulo’s and Alex White’s. I want guys with an attitude to succeed. As successful as Helton has been individually, I’m not sure he can be labeled a “winner”, you know? Maybe “his way” isn’t gospel?
by juno106 on Sep 7, 2011 11:38 AM MDT reply actions 4 recs
Whooooooa...you had me until
I
’m not sure he can be labeled a "winner", you know?
How can you say Helton is not a winner? NLCS ring would disagree.
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I also disagree with the "winner" comment
but there’s no doubt an infusion of attitude is fine with me. Baseball is not football, and not everyone needs to be a killer. But a few killers would be welcome.
Big difference between being a "killer" and showboating.
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I, for one, would like a showboating killer......
If only Dexter was a little more edgy……..
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I think our current model of Dexter is just perfect.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
In terms of attitude and persona, that is.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
That was a joke about the TV show Dexter...you know ...killing etc....
And don’t you dare cite Rule #1
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Well, I don't need to, since you already know Rule #1...
… but I would never in a million years have picked up on what you were actually referring to there.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Really?
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If you were to mention a killing Dexter outside of a sports blog for a team with a Dexter on it in the midst of a discussion about a lack of edge on the team rather than television programs...
… it might have been more likely to land.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Meh...I dunno. Probably would have landed
if Dexter was currently airing……:P
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I mean the new season....:)
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Maybe
or maybe not. They are pretty often going hand in hand. You don’t see a lot of showboating when you don’t have some form of accomplishment. There is a big difference between the Chad Ochocinco’s and Freddie Mitchells of the world. Tulo is well onto the right side of that line.
What's wrong with Ochocinco?
He’s a hoot!
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was Memorial Day on Monday.
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you seem to imply this would be incorrect in some way.
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I hate to be "That Guy"
but you’re probably going to have to chance your sig at some point.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2011 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions
He can still worship
Even if one is now a false god.
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Laziness is powerful.
But yeah, I’ll change it.
Worshiping the holy trinity of Cargo, Tulo, and Ubaldo
would you like a hand out of the chasm?
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I don't think there's anything wrong with him.
I imagine that certain folks have (or would have) some real problems. I had to go NFL here because I couldn’t think quickly of a good Freddie Mitchell comp (super showboat but not actually very good) in the baseball context.
It's my opinion (and that's all it is)
That teams need a mixture of Tulo and Todd like personalities to get that extra edge. I don’t think having all of one or all of the other works. If you look at the last several World Series winners, you’ll this mixture of players on those teams.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
This is where I land.
I do think we seem a little too nice for our own good.
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Rec'd for username.
Lol.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
I really don't care much about any of this, it is what it is.
though I don’t think Tulo should be saying a thing amidst a wrecked season where the team is all but mathematically eliminated. Him making that comment though I would probably like a lot more in the midst of the NLDS because you know…context matters.
Also, I get where you’re coming from, but I really hope the team has a better plan in mind to work on their attitude (if attitude is part of the problem) than home run smack talk while you’re 10 games out…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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it's hard to label guys winners who play for teams who don't win, regardless of how good they are.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Poor Todd...
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playing
exactly during Bond’s epic second (or third or fourth or whatever) peak and Pujols entering the league basically ruined Helton getting any recognition after 2002
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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New edition of "Spill the Beans" with Giambi
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hoo boy
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
seriously...
I’ve seen stale raisins with less wrinkles than you…
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So...this hasn't been announced elsewhere to my knowledge
but it looks like the Rockies complete AFL roster is up.
Pitchers that were added:
Pomeranz
Weathers
Joe Gardner
Parker Frazier
Position players (to refresh your memory):
Arenado
Paulsen
Wheeler
Frazier is an…interesting choice. I had been running around saying that you can’t have more than one player below AA, but upon further research you can’t have more than two players below AA. Sorry about that. This is obviously reflected with Frazier and Arenado.
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 11:53 AM MDT reply actions
The AFL tweeted that the Rockies had assigned five pitchers to the AFL.
So one is missing, or they miscounted.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I think they miscounted
because right after that they tweeted:
Pomeranz and Weathers join RHPs Parker Frazier and Joe Gardner on the Salt River Rafters.
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Aha.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 7, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
First step in converting Arenado to a closer...
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Love it.
I think the team may be giving Gardner a chance to remain as a starter.
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Boy if he can become a Cook/Thomson type
we are looking at a very cost controlled rotation through 2017
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I think
we probably shouldn’t hope/expect this guy is going to be as good as Cook. Or close.
I won't expect it
but I wouldn’t rule out a guy who had a 67% GB rate last year. If Gardner is another Clay Mortensen so be it but I like Gardner’s skillset particularly since our whole developement team focusses on wormburning
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I know everyone forgets this now
in the rush to run him out the door, but Aaron Cook has been, over his career, a very good MLB pitcher. I think we should probably save our hope for the likelihood that White becomes materially better than Cook, rather than expecting this throw-in guy to compare to one of the handful of best pitchers in franchise history.
And I don’t mean to be obnoxious about this as I know you’re thinking more in terms of the “pretty decent groundball guy” that Cook has been for a few years now (charitably) rather than the guy that went to the ASG. But really, this cat is probably not going to be as good as Mortensen, let alone approach Cook.
why are you so down on him?
71% GB rate is very, very, very, very good. And he’s only in his 2nd pro season, people seem to forget that.
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I say this
because I don’t think its likely that moderately regarded trade throw-ins with stuff that no scout is excited about are altogether very likely to be as good as proven MLB starters…ASG level pitchers…franchise leaders in wins….
Maybe he will be, I dunno. But to me the prospect optimism around here is just getting ahead of itself, which I guess is the nature of the beast for a 4th place also-ran. But it ain’t my job to kill everyone’s dreams, so I defer.
I think Gardner can surprise us and was a damn good throw-in
but I agree with you
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't agree with the tone of the post,
unless it’s backed with some facts. In fact, I’m bothered by the tone even though I have no strong feeling either way about Gardner.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
That certainly is a shame
“Maybe if I say the bad news in a good way, it won’t seem so bad!”
How about if you say it in a way that isn't condescending.
You can say that Gardner is not a good prospect in your eyes without saying:
But to me the prospect optimism around here is just getting ahead of itself, which I guess is the nature of the beast for a 4th place also-ran. But it ain’t my job to kill everyone’s dreams, so I defer.
I don’t know why we need that condescension of “I’m just being real while you all are being Pollyannas.” When really, you’re view is just as right as an optimists view.
On top of this, you contradict the above quote about “the prospect optimism around here” by saying below that:
But given that he’s showing in the 20s of most Purps threads, it appears that most here don’t see him as a true upside prospect.
It’s just a bit bothersome. Particularly when the argument wasn’t very well supported in the first post.
Well
if you consider my initial post wasn’t intended to be any sort of argument, perhaps it can be excused. At any rate, I’m just stating my position, and if that’s too strident for you, certainly I don’t apologize but I understand. Not trying to be condescending, I think its pretty much a fact that struggling teams tend to overrate prospects because you need to have that hope for the future from somewhere. In any case, I tend to stop myself from posting equivocally because, you know, its not very fun.
I don’t think I’ve ever said that “I’m right and everyone else is wrong”, unless that sort of conclusion is inherent in having a different view. In this case, I do happen to think its silly to compare this guy favorably to Cook. Time will tell if I’m right. As usual with my “glass half empty” routine, I of course secretly hope to be very wrong.
And not sure how that is entirely contradictory, given that the argument is this relatively lowly regarded (even here) prospect is going to be as good as Aaron Cook. Certainly I could have worded it better.
I still want to know how Gardner doesn't compare favorably to Cook
they’re essentially the same pitcher at the minor league level.
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Well I definitely hope he starts an AFL game that I watch in person now
If only to stop this argument, because it may last until October.
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I don't know what Cook was like in the minors
He doesn’t compare favorably because there are many that don’t see him as an MLB starter at all, let alone one who could accomplish what Cook has. There are probably hundreds of guys in the minors with a low-90s sinker.
How Gardner compares to Cook's minor league career is irrelevant
The question was whether Gardner’s MLB path could compare to Cook’s. That seems awfully optimistic, no matter how much you think of Gardner. Cook was an All-Star and franchise leader in wins, the second best starter this franchise has ever produced. Gardner is probably capable of those accolades, but why anyone would expect such a success out of him is beyond me. If we are planning on Gardner, a PuRP in the teens to match Cook’s career, what are we expecting Pomeranz, Bettis and White to do? First ballot Hall of Famers?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Cook is the comp because its Gardners ceiling
and I think we are trying to convey that that is a reasonable ceiling.
As far as what anybody “expects”, I can’t speak for everybody. But I expect a solid relief pitcher or 5th starter out of Gardner.
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Just seems everyone is expecting that ceiling based on some comments I've seen
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions
A fanbase that has watched
Ian Stewart, EY2, Jamie Wright, John Thompson, Chris Friedrich, and a double handful of suck at 2B probably doesn’t “expect” anything
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not many rockies fans have gotten to watch friedrich
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Rather these guy's "development"
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Jamey Wright has had a strong career, yo
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
They didn't call him "big handsome" for nothing...
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Its fair to say
you just said, in fewer words and with greater measure, pretty much exactly what I’ve been trying to say thoroughout this entire brouhaha. You could have saved us all some time brotha!
Sorry...was out on a work errand
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I think the argument for this
is that Cook was great for a Rockies pitcher, but not a great pitcher compared to his contemporaries. How much of this is Coors? How much of this is injuries? It’s hard to be certain. But even park adjusted, outside of one season, his ERA+ was never above 120.
You would expect Pomeranz and Bettis to beat this in a way that Ubaldo did. You would expect white to at least equal this. You would expect Gardner to float around 100.
Which would certainly be valuable
but it’s still no prime Cook
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
There is a reason I am not saying Brandon Webb though
Cook is pretty unique but even for a GB machine he was only a 2/3 on a good team, as a ceiling that ain’t exactly comparing him to Greg Maddux
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I was just arguing that Gardner is simply not "another throw in" in the trade
and that’s he certainly an arm to keep an eye on. Disregarding him as “never being better than even Clayton Mortensen” seemed extreme to me.
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That's fine.
I’m just saying that you can state your argument that Gardner isn’t that great without telling everyone that disagrees with you that they’re cock-eyed optimists with unrealistic dreams.
I don’t agree not disagree with what you said. I disagree with the added tweak at anyone who might disagree with you.
well
that’s just the nature of internet arguments I suppose.
It doesn't need to be.
That’s my point. Let your facts support your argument, and let the merits of your argument support you. That’s a winning combination.
But you don't have any reasons except
that he was the third-best pitcher in a trade and some scouts aren’t excited?
That’s not a very convincing argument to follow up by impugning the entire community for irrational “prospect optimism.”
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 7, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
If you want detailed facts
google the guy, or read through the lengthy discussion of him in the Purps thread. But to me, the pertinent facts are these:
he’s a pitcher who throws, at best, a low 90s sinker with no proven secondary stuff and who has poor control and does not miss bats at all. His best case sounds like the current verson of Aaron Cook. So if that’s the comp, I concede.
But he’s young, and things change, and all that. I’ll be happy to be wrong. But given that he’s showing in the 20s of most Purps threads, it appears that most here don’t see him as a true upside prospect. He’s just a guy right now. Hopefully for his, and our, sake, he can improve a lot. We shall see.
Gardner is a big, strong, physical pitcher who throws a 91-94 MPH two-seam sinking fastball that touches 95 MPH with late heavy sink and excellent movement down in the zone that produces a ton of groundball outs…throwing it 80-90% of the time, and is clearly the best pitch in his arsenal and arguably the best sinker in the minors.
He hasn’t walked more than three batters in a game since May 12, and has struck out two or less in 15 of his past 20 starts. I’d love for essentially every pitcher in our system to have that poor of control.
I have him right around 15 on my PuRPs list right, along with Anderson, Friedrich, and Tago — and that’s only because of the depth of our system right now. He’s a quality pitcher, and I think he’d make a great middle of rotation starter.
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I assume you meant wallked two or less
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*walked two or less in 15 of his past 20 starts
serious typo on my part
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everyone seems to have gardner in the same general area on their PuRP list
15-20..
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where is that from
everything I’ve read suggests he touches 90, not 95. If he really sits that high, i suppose I would change my opinion but i read a number of scouting reports that materially differ with what you have there.
2 or less ks per start is not a good thing, though, unless I’m misreading that stat you cite there.
Whatever, we shall see. My point was initially simply that comparing this guy favorably with Cook was not very realistic, but we’ve gone on down as we do. Time will tell.
Both are one pitch elite sinkerballers
with meh K numbers and decent BB numbers, but elite GB rates. Both are touching mid-90s in the minors, but sit low 90s.
I’d love to hear how he doesn’t compare favorably to Cook.
On another note, Gardner is a much better Balcolm-Miller than Chris Balcolm-Miller. Remember how we all used to love that guy’s upside? Gardner is a better pitcher.
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I never cared about CBM
and I can’t say how he compares to Cook as a prospect because Cook came up a decade ago. I will say that if he’s anything close to Cook, its a pretty nice deal.
Actually, you said:
But really, this cat is probably not going to be as good as Mortensen, let alone approach Cook.
I think he is already as good as Mortensen
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You'll get no argument from me.
I really don’t know. The only thing I know about him is that several Indians fans felt that his inclusion in the trade was the real knife in the back.
They knew they were losing Pomeranz and another top respect, who they figured was White. The addition of Gardner was a shock as it really stripped their depth.
This could play into Teekalong’s argument as the Indians may know that he really isn’t that good. That remains to be seen.
well if it came down to losing a 2B or 3B who
were MLB ready or losing a GB machine I would have dumped Gardner too, that said he does have some tools worth dreaming on certainly as a 5th starter
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I think most of them felt that
Pom and White were enough for Ubaldo.
There was no way we were getting Kipnis.
I don't think Kipnis or Chisenhall were ever really in the equation
it would have either been Gardner or some other top 10 prospect in the Indians system.
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree but since Gardner was in their top 5
at that point we were taking the top 3 available prospects they had
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must be how AA feels after all his trades
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Except it was AA it would have
been Cook and Wiggington going to Cleveland
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Aaron Cook's 2010 Curve was the only time in his career
he has had an above average pitch that wasn’t his sinker. Aaron Cook has a Career 3.76 K/9 and a Career 3.45 BB/9 his success came in 06-09 when he had a sub 2.5 BB/9 nothing in Cook’s career says that Gardner couldn’t do the same thing.
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You are right
most mid level prospects without a 2nd pitch will stick for a decade in the Show, make an ASG and start a WS game, throw 11 CGs (2 SOs). But hopefully this guy won’t have to survivie a life-threatening illness in the prime of his career.
seriously
and he’s also an upstanding citizen, to boot
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not at all
isn’t cook famously a great guy? or am i thinking of someone else…
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No, he is...it's just so unusual for someone
on here to say so. .. thanks :)
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Right because since Aaron Cook was good
this guy can’t be. They are seperate events Cook was developed as a teenager Gardner went to college. Cook has an excellent Sinker, Gardner has a very good but untested sinker. Both have Meh secondary offerings, and both were old for their league in High A. Cook was rated very highly after 95 innings in AA with a 5.5K/9 to 1.8BB/9 leading to a 2.47 ERA. Those numbers aren’t that different than Gardner’s 5.5K/9 and 2.0BB/9 and 2.48 ERA in Tulsa so far at the same age. I am not saying that Gardner is going to have Cooks career but as far as a comp goes they are pretty sound.
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fair enough
as long as you are talking “ceiling” comp and not “likely” comp.
I don't think anyone said anything about likely
about a guy with limited success above High A and I did say Thomson/Cook. Cook walked as many as he struck out in his first three major league seasons. his 12 WAR over the next four was integral in taking us from cellar dweller to contender.
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Fair enough
and I’m still mad that Thomson never became the stud I expected. Maybe that set me off.
it works for Masterson
but how can we turn Gardner into Tim Hudson? THAT’s my question!!
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Masterson was what they got for VMart right?
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yes
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So for CC Sabathia, Clff Lee, Victor Martinez and Ben Fransisco
The Indians got Bryan Price, Nick Hagadone, Justin Masterson. Jason Knapp, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Donald, Lou Marson,Rob Bryson, Zach Jackson, Matt LaPorta, and Michael Brantley so basically Masterson and some filler.
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and we hated dealing Ubaldo
shame on us.
Also: trading with the Indians – the new market inefficiency.
Also: trading with the Indians has always worked out well for the other party.
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k I'm done milking our sorry past.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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what did the indians trade brandon phillips for?
i can’t remember
Traded by the Cleveland Indians to the Cincinnati Reds for a player to be named later. The Cincinnati Reds sent Jeff Stevens (June 13, 2006) to the Cleveland Indians to complete the trade.
To be fair though, there may have been some sort of change of scenery stuff motivating this trade…
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that could definitely be right
i just looked him up on fangraphs. his one 50+ game season with the indians he had a 41 wRC+ over 393 PAs
but still, lolzzz
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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he had a negative war in every year in cle and then his first year in cincy 1.8 war
then 5.1 his second year. i think the change of scenery helped him out
he always had like conduct issues and stuff
sometimes trades help players focus
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They absolutely robbed the Expos to get him
Bartolo Colon rental for Brandon Phillips, Cliff Lee, and Grady Sizemore
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I'm not the one making the proclamation that Gardner
will never be better than Mortenson. I think when one makes a proclamation like that, followed with an accusation that “the prospect optimism around here is getting ahead of itself,” one should provide the facts to back up said proclamation.
Is that too much to ask?
Probably not.
The Mortensen bit was too much, I agree. Though, to be fair, Mortensen has pitched somewhat effectively (ok not really) in the bigs and Gardner has barely pitched effectively at AA, which is where I was probably coming from. But sure, that one I take back. But not the Cook-comp stuff.
Joe Gardner was the third best pitching prospect in one of the Top 5 farm systems in baseball.
More than just a throw-in
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by Muzia on Sep 7, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno about a couple of the things you said...
regarded trade throw-ins
He’s more than a throw in. McBride was a throw in. Gardner was actually in pretty much everybody’s top 10 list for Cleveland after last year. Then he stalled in AA, but has come on strong at the end of the season with Tulsa. It’s only his second pro season, and he’s only 23. And he’s in AA.
stuff that no scout is excited about
Scouts are pretty excited about his sinker.
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think a lot of people forget how important/but the jump from A+ to AA is.
It takes some people more time to figure it out, many “prospects” need 1.5 to 2 years at AA to “get it” . . . hopefully he’s figured it out in the last month or so of this season.
But that’s why it’s a great move to have him pitch in the AFL this year . . . see if he can keep the performance up against top-rate competition. The organization is simply trying to see what they have.
by blooming rock on Sep 7, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
a low 90s sinker
is fine and dandy but hardly unique in the minors, and if he has no secondary stuff….oh well.
What is Aaron Cook's excellent second pitch again?
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Fair point
but the difference is that he’s done it at this level for a long time.
my point was that Cook had two 4+WAR seasons with a great
sinker and enough from his secondary stuff to keep pitchers off balance. Cook did do it well in that stretch but nothing in his arsenal is markedly better than Gardner’s
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Coming into the season Hulet had Pomeranz as the tribes 4th best prospect
behind White, Chisenhall, Kipnis and he had Gardner 6th behind those four and Weglarz. Gardner did have some struggles with Cleveland’s AA team but that seemed to have been corrected at Tulsa. It’s not like nobody knew his name he was solidly in their top 10 prospects.
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And
Esmil Rogers was once our 4th best overall prospect, per Purps. I think Friedrich hit #2 in that one. So it goes.
were we a top 5 farm that year, was it a person who makes their
living grading prospects who made Esmil the #4 purp? Esmil is a nice piece but he is a converted SS with good peripherals and may still “get” it.
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I don't expect any prospect to be an above average pitcher
but Gardner throws 4 pitches and has a crazy groundball rate. Aaron Cook has arguable been the second best pitcher in franchise history, and while some might hate him I personally appreciate his skillset. The fact that Gardner has such a similar skillset is why I would compare him to Cook, it isn’t a dig against Cook so much as hope for Gardner
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Why not?
Similarly elite GB rate, similar K and BB numbers
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I like that Gardner is included
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by nodakroxfan on Sep 7, 2011 12:06 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Casey Weathers is the only pitcher on that roster that is currently on a 40-man roster
The Tigers sent two 40-man position players. That’s it.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Only one C and one SS so far
Three 3B. Boo
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
also interesting
Arenado is the youngest player on the team.
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I need to go see my first AFL games this year.
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Please do.
I’d love to have reports on every single player named above.
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I can try...
but I’m no scout and no way near as edumucated as you or most of the people on PR.
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my theory on life in general
is that nobody knows anything about anything, some people just know how to fake it, so just wing it and hope no one calls your bluff.
video if possible
but seriously, you know baseball. Just go to games and tell us what happened.
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OK. Will try.
Looks like first game I could attend is Thursday, October 6th. Do you know if they publicize starting pitchers for AFL games in advance? I’d obviously prefer to go to a game started by Pom (or even Gardner, if starting).
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Wow, they're really trying to squeeze any kind of value out of Weathers, aren't they?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions
might as well with a guy with stuff like that.
who knows, maybe somebody outside of the organization will give him a tip and he’ll start controlling his fastball or something.
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
What the hell were we thinking taking McBride in that trade?
why do we need him in the system? wouldn’t any teenager have been better?
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he was basically a throw in
A scout told DOD that there was MLB potential for McBride.
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Jayson Stark, on the Giants’ offensive ineptitude.
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Wow!
If the Rox had that offensive offense, they would loose 120 games. How amazing is their pitching?
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MCC switcharoo
A funny change of heart on McCovey Chronicles game thread last evening. Early on, it was…
Dear Rockies,
F—- you. F—- your stupid bandbox park. F—- your humidor. F—- your inability to do anything helpful. And most of all, f—- Dinger.
Your’s truly,
Irritated Giants Fan
by boonitez on Sep 6, 2011 7:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Then later on, nothing but Tulo! Tulo! Tulo!
band....box?
I don’t think that word means what they think it means.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahahahaahahaahahaha.
I don’t care too much about losing to the Diamondbacks for that very reason – to piss off the Giants fans and make the Giants miss the playoffs.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions
My retort:
Dear Giants fan,
If your crappy team could score more than 2 runs a game, you wouldn’t be worrying about what the Rockies or D’Backs were up to.
Signed,
A Rockies Fan That Still Hates Your Team, Especially Tim Lincecum
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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Whowouldn't mind . . .
violating the humidor?
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It's moist...
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it's private
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Comes with lots of balls..
if that is what you are into…
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it's within walking distance of weiners
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tasty tasty weiners...
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just add a couple of candles and a sound system - it already has the most
state-of-the-art climate control system around, perfect for setting the mood!!
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Also I bet
getting dinger to watch would be sexy.
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Dinger
is an active participant in all that happens with the humidor.
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I'm so excited
it’s like I have a humidor in my pants…
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by hotdoglady on Sep 7, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dinger
is a dirty, dirty, dirrty dinosaur.
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hahahahaha
this is probably the best comment of the offseason
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...it's the offseason already??
where did my september and october go?
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at first I was :D
but than I read offseason :(
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haha
in hindsight, the offseason started in May. In foresight, hey maybe Tracy will be gone in 2012.
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Wait, offseason??
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Dinger can't watch
otherwise he has to pay a hundred dollars.
Dinger: [sarcastically] That’s wonderful.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
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as a Rockies fan
I agree with their frustration over the team’s inability to do anything helpful but for very different reasons.
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We should really keep them in suspense tonight
And not use baseballs from the “special” ball bag until the 9th inning, instead of breaking them out in the 8th.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 7, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, I get it
So when the Rockies can only manage one run in 7 innings and then out of nowhere explode for 7 runs in one inning against the D’Back’s it’s “Tulo! Tulo! Tulo!”. However, when the Rockies rally late in games vs. the Giants it’s – they must be cheating.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 7, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes, you get it.
Congratulations. You are now certified to become a Giants fan.
Sorry.
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Read the SnakePit game wrap from yesterday
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Dear Giants' Fan:
Lick it
-LDMM
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 7, 2011 2:55 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Lick the humidor or Dinger?
Sounds kinky either way.
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ಠ_ಠ
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 7, 2011 3:01 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Dear Giants fans,
“F—- your inability to do anything helpful.” Sorry, our 12-6 record against the Padres wasn’t helpful last year. In retrospect, we should have dropped 2 of those wins!
Insincerely,
The Colorado Rockies
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by RdRnnr on Sep 7, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
OT: Detroit just finished burying the Indians once and for all.
Do you think they want to take back that trade yet?
Ask them on Sunday at about 4 p.m. Mountain time
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I know it was a long-term looking trade
since they have Ubaldo for a few years, potentially. But I just think Antonetti went too far to get him.
Despite White's struggles, we're sitting pretty
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
God, that is such an American thing to do.
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by Resolution on Sep 7, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions 8 recs
seriously
how is this not green?
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yeesh, give it a minute
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions
not everyone's as fast as maria...
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that can be a good thing...
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Because you have to read it,
AND the comment it responds to in order to understand it.
This almost never happens.
maybe because it involved Tigers
and not Patriots, Yankees, Nationals, or Eagles…
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by Resolution on Sep 7, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or Cowboys?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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and hilarious! and sad :-( and also, hilarious!
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by Resolution on Sep 7, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
This site is probably contributing to the bad economy..
Purple Row Rockpiles are responsible for a significant drop in employee productivity.
Look at the days
the stock market fell precipitously and the # of comments on PR that day.
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so when more people visit the PR. Things go up?
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? Its time to step it up and hit at least 6 this month.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
And we
don’t talk about PR’s sovereign debt crisis.
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-_-
Fowler CF
Ellis 2B
Gonzalez RF
Tulowitzki SS
Wigginton 1B
Smith LF
Rosario C
Pacheco 3B
Millwood P
I just don't understand Mr. Tracy anymore. I give up
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Duh. Now I get it.
It’s like the two-hole. 2B must bat second. The 1B must bat in the five-hole. Baseball rules.
just stating the facts
i personally would not be shocked if he went 0-fer either.
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
bigger question
who mind controlled Tracy and convinced him it was OK to bat Smith 6th against a lefty?
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions
No idea.
But I’m playing it safe and wearing a foil hat to the ballpark tonight!
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He's the best of the rest o the lineup
It won’t be Pacheco or Rosario, and Smith is lucky to be in the lineup vs a lefty.
Smith OPS vs. LHP: .641
Wigginton OPS vs. LHP: .864
This shouldn’t be shocking
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Well sure
but ABs without RISP are valuable and more likely too. In the end, it really doesn’t make much difference I don’t think between 5th and 6th
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh God, she is so hot.
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? Its time to step it up and hit at least 6 this month.
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by Roxman4ever on Sep 7, 2011 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
insertb Raffy joke here?
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? Its time to step it up and hit at least 6 this month.
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Huh..So no Iannetta again?
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That name rings a bell...
who is that again?
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
I think he hawks oven mitts or something
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its rosario time
i’m definitely not torn up about this.
I'd rather see Rosario at this point
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 7, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
This lineup excites me
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Millwood P
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He can bunt well
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I was watching the game while at dinner
and I swore I saw Rosario bunting for a brief second, then I realized it was Hammel at the plate. It was terrifying.
Side note: Watching ballgames from across a restaurant can be difficult sometimes.
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you're not excited to see 2012's #3 starter?
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions
for as much crap as I was going to give Tracy if he didn't start Smith
I guess this works out OK.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
EY2
Defensive sub in the 7th. ;-)
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
well yeah.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 7, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I like
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by nodakroxfan on Sep 7, 2011 3:46 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Facing LHP
Good to see Seth get a start in.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2011 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I put up a new FP post on the AFL
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 3:24 PM MDT reply actions
What is wrong here?
Tracy has played the same lineup for the 2nd day in a row! I think I’m going to go get my eyes checked to see if Im seeing this right.
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? Its time to step it up and hit at least 6 this month.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
oh yea. Guess my mind didnt register that Giambi actually got to play yesterday
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? Its time to step it up and hit at least 6 this month.
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Tracy gets new players
Tracy also gets mandate to play new players.
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Fun fact
Modesto’s statcorner HR park factor for RHB is 40.
For High Desert: 160.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Arenado is going to completely destroy ONEOK Field next year.
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High Desert is nearly the same altitude as Grand Junction, CO
with a lot drier, hotter weather. It’s also where Matthes had a 3HR game this year.
I think he probably wasn't the only one
Here’s a great description of High Desert.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions
please tell me you read that whole chapter
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I read the whole book.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions
ah ok good
I am trying hard not to laugh obnoxiously in a room full of strangers right now
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Admittedly only the beginning is a description of High Desert
The rest is minor league…camaraderie.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Is that where the mavericks play?
Cause according to my research Adelanto CA is about 2,000 lower than GJ…
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by SurfaceThought on Sep 7, 2011 4:19 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Renck tweets
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Cook out of rotation Will get one more start this season
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More from Renck
Starters after homestand are rogers and millwood in milwaukee. Then Chacin White Pomeranz No starts scheduled for Hammel
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sorry should have expanded on that
Millwood Rogers Chacin White Pomeranz
by black_knight101 on Sep 7, 2011 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Ugh, why does Rogers keep getting starts.
I’d much rather see Hammel even before last night since hes still under contract for next year.
Hammel is 32 strikeouts away from replacing Shawn Chacon for 10th most K's in a Rockies unifprm
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions
And that day can't come soon enough
Hes the only Rockie the kid rox fan version of me activly disliked. hell, I thought Mike Lansing was the bomb diggity
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by SurfaceThought on Sep 7, 2011 4:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Tracy wants more stability in the bullpen?
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Pomeranz right?
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? Its time to step it up and hit at least 6 this month.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Who wants to explain to me what makes Bryce Harper such a Dbag?
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by SurfaceThought on Sep 7, 2011 4:21 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
It's probably because he has a LeBron James complex
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 7, 2011 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions
He was traded to Arizona?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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He looks like a cake boy to me. He is one that everyone will learn to hate.
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? Its time to step it up and hit at least 6 this month.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
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I really cannot wait to actively hate this guy in the Majors
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Especially the mustache.
Probably douchier than the kiss. hahahaha
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2011 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions
He's also like 18.
I have a hard time hating him (at least no permanently). I also think perception of him suffers partly due to the amount of attention he gets. Any little thing gets scrutinized, which can’t be said of the vast majority of young prospects.
All this is not to say that he doesn't bring some of it on himself. He does.
I just think it gets overblown somewhat.
I know a few people who have dealt with him
when he was in GJ for the JuCo world series last year. The ones I’ve asked about him have really had nothing but good things to say about the kid. They’ll acknowledge he’s not perfect, but also said you really can’t imagine the pressure that the kid was under.
After seeing incidents like he’s pulled this year, it’s a little harder for me to buy that 100%, but it also makes me think he’s not the complete jerk he’s been made out to be…
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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All of the ‘incidents’ are one-sided. We don’t know what that pitcher did or said to him.
I find it really hard to ‘hate’ someone I’ve never met. I would bet nobody here would hate him after meeting him because, in all likelihood, he’s just a normal dude.
the pitcher he blew a kiss at had plunked him either the night before or the at-bat before the HR
hardly a move worthy of such attention
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That makes him a douchebag?
One picture of some eye black smeared down his cheeks? Gimme a break.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 7, 2011 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions
He's 18 and has a ton of talent
If I was that talented at 18, I’d be a Dbag, too.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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i honestly have no idea why people don't like him
why should he not be cocky? he’s 18 and extremely talented.
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