Friday Rockpile: Homers, Walks, Brothers, Catchers
by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 7:30 AM MDT
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PrintThe Associated Press: Millwood struggles as Rockies fall to Arizona, 5-3
Ok, so old news, but Kevin Millwood turned in his worst start in a Rockies uniform, falling just short of 6 innings pitched, allowing 4 runs, one homer, 4 strikeouts, and an unsurprising 0 walks. In fact, in his 6 starts as a Rockie, Millwood has given up 7HR yet walked only 4. For pitchers with 30 or more innings pitched in the purple pinstripes, only 7 have allowed fewer walks than homers. The list is as follows:
Kevin Millwood, 2011
Chris Nichting, 2002
Nelson Cruz, 2003
Matt Belisle, 2009
Rafael Betancourt, 2010
Huston Street, 2011
Denny Neagle, 2003
Of course, these are at most 65 inning samples, but it's a pretty nifty little thing to look at. That kind of control stacked against that level of defeat is pretty interesting. Amusingly enough, the lowest strikeout-to-walk ratio of the above was Denny Neagle's 1.75 K/BB.
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Thomas Harding gives us a pretty great rundown of the season of Rex Brothers. Despite his rookiness, he's been played in many a high-leverage situation for the Rockies, and one has to question the wisdom in this. Brothers' 4.67 BB/9, which ranks 24th among relievers in Rockies history, puts him in company of players such as Curt Leskanic, Jose Mesa, Mike Myers, and Bruce Ruffin. His .333 BABIP shows that he's hittable, more hittable than the average pitcher. Upside of that is that if/when his BABIP normalizes, that should bring down his ERA.
Oh, did I mention that his ERA is only at 3.38? Oh, and I probably forgot to mention that his strikeouts-per-9 rate is sitting a smidge behind 13. Yes, 13 batters per 9. If the season ended today, Brothers would have the highest K/9 of Rockies relievers with 30IP+. All the advanced metrics support his awesomeness as well, most of them suggesting that his numbers could even get better. Yes, better. Oh yes.
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Friday Night should be an epic battle of rookie catchers: Wilin Rosario, the potential future of the Rockies catching position and Devin Mesoraco, who kind of looks like Sloth from The Goonies. Both are top flight catching prospects, both with their own strengths and weaknesses, and both should help solidify their team's catching corps for years to come. Interestingly, both teams have had some success from the backstop position: The Rockies have gotten 9.6 fWAR since 2009 (mostly from Chris Iannetta and Miguel Olivo) as compared to the Reds' 8.5 fWAR (fueled by Ryan Hanigan and Ramon Hernandez).
Given the late hour of the 2011 season, there's really no reason not to just keep playing Rosario the rest of the season. Yeah, we'd like to see more Chris Iannetta (well, some of us would), Seth Smith, etc, but the rest of September should really be put toward playing rookies and showcasing borderline guys for trade.
What do you think? Should the Rockies be showcasing Iannetta? What other marginal MLB players should the Rockies be looking to move?
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I can't help but think of Dr. Andrews as like Dr. Frankenstein and he rebuilds knees and elbows out of the tendons of the damned.
Jim Armstrong puts together a slideshow documenting the 10 reasons for Rockies' failure this season. I'd say more about it, but it's kind of a rehash on what we've been talking about the past 2 months. It's certainly worth a click!
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I don't care about Ethier
But whenever anyone goes to see Dr. Andrews I have this deep sense of foreboding.
Happy Friday!!
Words you nevev want associated with anyone you root for:
Dr. James Andrews.
He seems to do a good job though.
"My eyes! The goggles do nothing!" - Rainier Wolfcastle
right?
That’s why I even bothered to mention it.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions
This last line has me super excited...
Although Pomeranz has just a handful of innings in Double-A, he’s done enough this year to make me quite optimistic about his future, and I can understand why the Rockies want to take an immediate look at him. Assuming he stays healthy and avoids unexpected command lapses, he profiles as a number two starter at least. If his changeup develops to its maximum potential, he can be a genuine number one rotation anchor in the mode of Cliff Lee or Clayton Kershaw.
People on here know how much I hated the Ubaldo Trade, but I will hate it a lot less if Pomeranz turns into Cliff Lee or Clayton Kershaw.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
im very intereted to see on Sunday how his changeup is progressing
That’s going to be a huge key to his success
by black_knight101 on Sep 9, 2011 9:23 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep.
I’ve compared (cautiously) Pom to Kershaw plenty of times.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Biondino commented on that article about the fastball losing effectiveness at altitude.
I am waiting for my membership there to become active, so I’ll post my reply here. Basically, what that guy said was partially true. Although the piece over on the A’s site last year showed the greatest effect with fastballs, all pitches that have “movement” will be affected by the reduced density. The pitches with the most movement will see the largest change.
However, he also said that pitchers get some help from increased speed on their fastballs. This is misleading. A fastball might have an additional 1 mph when it crosses home plate, but the time it takes to travel from the pitcher’s hand to the catcher’s glove is virtually unchanged. Also, pitch speeds are measured at release, and the initial velocity doesn’t change at altitude.
thank god
someone needed to do that.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I told him about the article
I wonder if anybody will ever pay attention to it…
by black_knight101 on Sep 9, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
OK.
Did you read the one that the guy linked in the comments over there? It at least addressed the issue, but was pretty incomplete.
yeah that article was entirely theoretical
by black_knight101 on Sep 9, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
And didn't even go into the theory very much.
It is true that curve balls are affected. There is no way that they be the same as at sea level. The question is how much of their “movement” comes from aerodynamic effects.
right, exactly.
I wonder if there is some physicist that has done a bunch of research into this, specifically for curves at Coors? I’ll check into it.
by black_knight101 on Sep 9, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not a physicist, but I'm an engineer who works in aerodynamics.
I have looked at it some. I created a simulation to look at it a while back, but it’s pretty simple really. Aerodynamic forces are proportional to air density. Air density is something like 18% less here than at sea level when temperature is the same. Therefore, there will be about 18% less movement.
assuming the relationship between
pitch movement and air density is totally linear.
You know what might be valuable – doing what that CarGo piece did but with a batter in AZ. AZ seems to be a good in-between sample of data that may offer some insight into this relationship…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
yeah, that's one of my questions
also, why doesn’t anybody look at pitch f/x data to back up their predictions? it’s all available to these physicists, why don’t they use actual experimental evidence?
by black_knight101 on Sep 9, 2011 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
What do you mean?
I’ve seen lots of pitchFX stuff about Coors Field vs Elsewhere
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
sorry I should have said "physicists" instead of "anybody"
I’m reading some papers and they’re making all of these theoretical predictions about how curveballs/fastballs move at higher altitudes but they don’t have any data to back it up, even though that data is available.
by black_knight101 on Sep 9, 2011 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
What do you need experimental data for?
It’s not like the theory is wrong. Planes still fly out of DIA, after all.
well, the aerodynamic properties of a baseball and a 747 are slightly different
unless we’re dealing with undergrad physics; then we just simplify everything as a sphere to make the math easier.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Not that much.
Circulation around a wing produce lift. The same thing is behind the Magnus force. If it works for a complicated machine like a 747, you’d expect it to work for a spinning sphere.
I think the cry for data is just more based off of
hey, it made complete sense for everyone to believe curveballs are affected more than fastballs at altitude until the data showed otherwise.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Actually, after more thought
I realized I would want to see actual evidence too if I was in a similar situation. But I’m not a pitch f/x guy, so I’ll leave it to somebody else.
yea I mean like
I get the constancy of the magnus force but more data is never a bad thing.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
science without experimental data = bad
by black_knight101 on Sep 9, 2011 3:44 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
actually that's a bit of a strong statement.
Cause theres not always data… but this time there is.
by black_knight101 on Sep 9, 2011 3:47 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Or maybe Atlanta - next highest elevation, but with humidity.
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I thought AZ was higher
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Yes, AZ is higher, but doesn't have a humidor.
It would be nice to separate the humidity effect from the elevation effect.
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given that it's publicly available data
both shouldn’t be too much of a stretch
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
how come no one ever brings up the idea that
if pitches may move faster due to the thin air, that batters may be able to swing a bat marginally faster?
Beyond the shift in break on pitches, I don’t think too much else matters.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think they've done studies on that based on the article I'm reading
I’m trying to find something that’s not theoretical. All these papers want to talk about the Magnus effect, etc. but none of them that I’ve found use actual experimental data to back up their predictions.
by black_knight101 on Sep 9, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
the link
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I would like someone who understands Pitch FX to do more with what that guy started with
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I honestly want this stuff to get as much attention as possible
in the off-chance that players who actually read this blog/type of stuff pick up on it. Not to say that the Rockies don’t have anyone looking at this stuff but it really can’t hurt.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I think it's okay though.
Pomeranz doesn’t have a fastball that moves a ton. So I’m not too worried about that. I’m more worried about his curveball.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
the piece by Sickel's says
His fastball operates at 91-95 MPH, but even on days when he doesn’t have peak velocity, the pitch has a lot of movement, making it a genuine plus offering.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
that's actually contrary to a lot of reports that I've heard
most people like his fastball b/c its strong, he has good command, and it comes from a good angle b/c he is so tall…but this is the first time i’ve heard about good movement.
by black_knight101 on Sep 9, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
after he makes a start or two
we can have some delicious pitch f/x data. woooooo
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
That's why he reminds me (in my mind) of John Lester.
Good, hard/strong fastball.
BIg frame.
Guess we’ll all see in a couple of days. Can’t wait.
by blooming rock on Sep 9, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
That's a good comparison.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions
The FB stays on a very straight line. But because he’s so tall and hides the ball well, the FB is a very good pitch.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I still have an extra ticket for tonight's game.
It’s free to a good home. Sec. 144, Row 14. Let me here if you’re interested. We’ll set it up via email.
I'm interested but alas, I'm out.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 9, 2011 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm interested, but I don't know when I'm gonna be able to leave work.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
At this point, I don't have any takers,
so I can just leave the ticket at Will Call and you can come whenever. Unless, you think that you might not be able to come at all.
The latter is a possibility.
Have takers until the last possible second. If you email me your number, I can text you status updates.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm interested
but I live halfway across the country.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Gaahhhh
If only I wasn’t going to see “Senna” tonight!
Oh well, club level for Sunday, it is.
by Purple Row Troll on Sep 9, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
yaaay
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for talking about Brothers.
I think he has been flying under the radar with a solid rookie campaign. That 2009 first round (plus sandwich) of the draft could turn out to be one of the best in team history (Matzek, Wheeler, Brothers).
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the second round turned out okay, too
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who are you talking about? Arenado?
And then there's Bettis after that....
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 9, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorry to rain on the Brothers lovefest
But I don’t consider his rookie season to be all that great. “Not bad for a rookie” is how I’d characterize it, but not outstanding. Not as good as some other rookie relievers (compare Venters & Kimbrel of the Braves in their 2010 rookie years … Brothers isn’t even close.)
ERA means even less for relievers than starters, but 3.38 is kind of meh for relievers. WHIP is a better measuring stick for relievers, as well as avg. against. Brothers’ WHIP is 1.38; avg. against is .224. Both are pretty good, for a rookie, but not outstanding.
The “falling in love with players” syndrome is pervasive around here. Someone else posted on that yesterday: the tendency to over-hype individual prospects and young players as a way to salvage some hope for the future from a dismal season and the failure by older players. Brothers is the best young reliever we’ve got, so the tendency is to pin big future hopes on him as a future star. He could turn into one. He’s not one yet.
I think a more objective analysis of young players and prospects is called for. Brothers had a pretty good rookie year and probably was asked to pitch in more high pressure situations than he should have been. His velocity and his K rate do provide reasons to think he’ll be a very good reliever in years to come. But even among rookie relievers, he’s not a standout.
2011 Rockies -- what the hell?
by maris61 on Sep 9, 2011 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
you're attacking an argument that isn't even being made
No one said he is an elite reliever. No one said he is Kimbrel (whose rookie year is elite historically, so that’s a bit unfair bar). No one has even said he is a lock to be a closer. Everything I’ve read around here is to the effect of “holy strikeouts too many walks but overall solid encouraging” type of labels, which is essentially what you’re saying as well.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 9:13 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Which is what I THOUGHT I wrote
His bad marks, when put in context with his good marks, aren’t all THAT bad, but need work.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions
His xFIP for the season is pretty impressive
Top 10 for NL relievers with at least 30 innings.
Time for some of this Rockies: "One of the beautiful things about baseball is that every once in a while you come into a situation where you want to, and where you have to, reach down and prove something." Nolan Ryan
All the rate stats (FIP, xFIP, SIERA, tRA) support his ERA being legit, even inflated.
And no, I’m not suggesting “WELL BROTHER IS ACTUALLY AMAZING” – his strikeout numbers are amazing, but his BB and HR need work. To have that low of an ERA with that high of a BB/HR and you’re doing SOMETHING right.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
I think you used the word "awesomeness"
I’d say he’s good, not awesome. So far at least.
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13 K/9 is pretty awesome.
He’s 6th in the majors amongst relievers with 30IP+, 5th among rookies.
As for the walks, yes, they need to improve. There are 8 relievers in the majors who have a K/9 above 12 and a K/BB above 2.5 and they are:
Sergio Romo
Jonathan Papelbon
Craig Kimbrel
Vinnie Pestano
Kenley Jansen
Sergio Santos
David Robertson
Rex Brothers
3 of those clowns are closers, too.
So yeah, you’re right, his entire game isn’t awesome just yet. I do think you’re underselling him a little as well. He did have that 11 game scoreless streak, too.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm still shocked at the year Sergio Romo is having.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
likewise
he’s sporting like a 7.5 K/BB with that K rate
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
The guy is 3 years younger than Venters, plays in an extreme run environment and has averaged 13 k/9
sorry if he isn’t the greatest rookie reliever in history(Kimbrel)
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"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
He may need to develop another pitch.
I see hitters are really sitting on his 96-97mph fastball and when they get it, hit it pretty far.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Fair enough I would like our Org to double down on teaching a nasty Change Up
ala that nasty modified forkball that lincecum uses
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I am starting to believe that you are being a contrarian just for the sake of being a contrarian.
Here is a little advise that I hope will make your life more enjoyable: It’s OK to fall in love with players! It part of being a fan.
Your negative outlooks start to lose credibility when all you offer are negative outlooks. Objective analysis is always needed/wanted, but holding players to the standard of “if the aren’t the best in the league then they are disappointing” is unreasonable.
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by BittenAnkles on Sep 9, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
I want to see more Iannetta and more Rosario
A 50/50 or 2/3 split would be fine for the rest of the season. Although I wouldn’t mind one getting traded this offseason and the other being given the job outright. Assuming of course, they get a fair value in return.
I’m not sure who would deserve playing time over Seth Smith. Unless we’re talking about showcasing Wigginton, or EYJ in the outfield. There aren’t any rookies or trade candidates in the outfield worth being showcased right now.
We'll see that a few times
What I’m really hoping for is Todd’s back to be semi-healthy again in 2012.
Are there any plans to basically give him the rest of the month off?
I see no reason to add any stress the that back in a meaningless situation.
building his HOF case
is perhaps the only legit reason I can think of – and that is somewhat weak…
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Hadn't thought of that.
Still, he’s more likely to help his case with a healthy 2012 than a few extra 2011 PAs.
indeed
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I too would be interested in seeing Iannetta at first
It would give Rosario more playing time (which I totally want) and it would build Iannetta’s trade value (not that I’m advocating trading him but it’s never a bad thing).
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
It would give Iannetta more versatility
and if we keep Pacheco around next year, Iannetta could play some first with Rosario catching and Pacheco as the back-up/emergency catcher.
I like Pacheco as a Herrera type
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
Wha?
Herrera can play Short, second, and third at an elite level, and while he isnt that productive at the bat will usually be patient at the plate
Pacheco plays a questionable catcher and could theroretically play third or second, but we don’t really know. Hos only upside, which is a question mark at this point, is his contact hitting skillz
So, yeah, basically the opposite of herrera
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by SurfaceThought on Sep 9, 2011 11:17 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he simply meant that in terms of a player that gives the Rockies added flexibility defensively.
by blooming rock on Sep 9, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
yea, I pretty much meant it in terms of roster spot
not really a cross-comparison of the strengths and weaknesses of both.
"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
I wouldn’t hate trading Rosario. As long as it’s in a big trade.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
I just see a few problems with Rosario.
I posted something on Twitter the other day and got cussed out from some Rockies fans.
Rosario is going to need to make adjustments. He’s vulnerable to the outside corner, whether it be fastball or offspeed stuff, because his left foot is stepping a little bit towards third base. He’s opening up his hips far too soon, trying to pull everything. I don’t see how he’s going to have much power to the opposite field unless he makes adjustments.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Yea that's what scares me right now.
Very early though.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
He'll provide better D than Olivo in any case
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by SurfaceThought on Sep 9, 2011 11:35 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
think so?
He has the strong throwing arm and trouble blocking balls, much like Olivo.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't value arm strength
over ball blocking skills, that’s why I like Iannetta, he saves a lot of passed balls.
I'm just drawing the parallel, defensively speaking
There’s room for Rosario to improve there still.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I originally saw the problem
so I was really paying attention to it when he was called up. I’m just cautious about the kid, is all.
Plays fantastic defense though. And has some pop.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
It was his first MLB game
give the kid a chance.
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His minor league track record also suggests an inability to walk
Major league pitchers will throw down and away sliders to him for every pitch. I’m in the trade him camp.
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that Carlos Gonzalez kid couldn't take a walk to save his life in the minors
Good thing we got rid of him.
Rosario is that type of impact player. Why not see if he can adjust to MLB pitching and coaching before he abandon ship?
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CarGo also STILL has peiods where he has trouble laying off sliders (breaking pitches) away.
I can’t believe a kid we’ve been hearing about for years in terms of the future franchise-type catcher comes up for two games and there are so many “trade him” comments.
by blooming rock on Sep 9, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
chris iannetta has a lot of fans around here
(said as a joke guys)
I don't think anybody is abandoning ship.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Rosario's plate discipline is worse than Cargo's was at the same point in his development
And honestly, I think the ability to lay off the breaking ball is the most important aspect of a hitter. They’re all strong, have good hand-eye, and can crush a fastball down the middle. Pitch recognition is king.
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When did I say I didn't want to give him a chance?
I just said the kid needs to make adjustments…
I don’t think anybody can disagree with what I’m saying. Can Rosario be a top tier catcher in the future? Absolutely. I just see a major flaw in his approach right now.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
You've spent this entire thread saying it's a good idea to trade him because of his flaws
I’m saying he’s earned his chance. You don’t trade away potential impact bats because of flaws you see in them. Every player non-Pujols category has flaws, and the good players adjust.
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I said I wouldn't mind trading Rosario in the right deal.
What’s wrong with that?
I don’t want a 1 for 1, Rosario for minor impact major league player.
I’ve also been saying he needs to make adjustments. Not only that I want him traded…..
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Like, the Rosario for Wandy Rodriguez deal.
I thought that would be a horrible trade from the Rockies standpoint, DOD obviously agreed.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Let's give him more than two starts
Of course he has flaws, this is his first taste of the Majors.
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I'm not opposed to giving him more starts.
I don’t mean to say LET’S TRADE ROSARIO RIGHT NOW. More like in the offseason “if there’s a big deal on the table and Rosario is included, go for it”.
Even give him a full season to see what he can do. I think you’re focusing on my one comment “I wouldn’t mind trading Rosario in the right deal” a little too harshly.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions
What type of trade would you view as "the right deal"
Hypothetical?
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Big name 3B, big name SP, big name 2B.
Those are the biggest question marks going into 2011 for the Rockies. Iannetta is proving to be a very good catcher, resign him for a 2-year deal and develop another catcher.
I just don’t believe in Rosario like you do.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions
My heart says Rosario
because let’s see what the kid has. My fantasy baseball team, embroiled in dogfight playoffs, says PLAY FREAKING IANNETTA. Ugh. The catcher wars are finally having their revenge on me.
Good morning
Interesting slideshow in the DP about 2011.
http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacenter/2011/09/10-reasons-the-rockies-failed-to-meet-expectations/
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Good call with that link
I was gonna put it up, but after reading through it, it’s pretty much the same 10 reasons I would’ve written, and that we’ve talked about for months on here, so I just let it go and then forgot to link it.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions
It was definintely in line with discussions
and I thought the photos were nice. The one with Hammel and Apodaca gave me a bit of a sad.
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I thought so too
Hammel always makes me smile. I love it when he does well.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep. Came back on around 2am.
One of the weirder afternoons and nights I’ve experienced in a while. I’ll just tell a bit about my experience if you don’t mind.
We’ve had rolling blackouts during high peak times etc. and it was rather hot yesterday. So, I figured well the power will probably be back on in an hour or so.. Within about 1 1/2 hours, my friend who lives about 20 miles from me called me and said her power had been out for an hour. She was kind of weirded out because she couldn’t get any radio stations in her car. So I plugged in my battery powered radio in house and was able to find one local 24 hour news/talk station. They were reporting that SDGE had no idea why the power went out. And then revealed it was literally the entire county, every SDGE customer in the county which is about 3 million people. WHOA! Then people started calling into the radio station saying it was all the way up to Orange County, 1/2 of Arizona and even parts of Mexico. My jaw dropped.
I live on the 3rd floor of my building and the emergency lighting in the stairwell was out. I couldn’t see my hand in front of my face it was so dark,. I was trying to use my phone to light the way which was down to one bar, mind you…No bueno.
I ran into a girl trying to bring up a case of water through the dark stairwell, so I helped her. She gave me 3 bottles of water which was nice. My building has about 400 units and I think I saw about 100 more people in 7 hours around my building than I’ve seen in a year. All in all people were fine…nobody was doing anything bad. Mostly people were just asking each other what was going on, how long would it last, how did it happen? Of course, because it happened so close to 9/11 the question was it a terrorist attack. People were calling into the radio staion saying they heard rumors that two power plants near the Salton Sea and Coachella had blown up(literally)…that was untrue.
You couldn’t call anyone because the lines were jammed and TPTB said to stay off land lines and cell phones unless it’s an emergency and to just text. Well, texts couldn’t get through either for about 2 hours. My friend who lives in the building called me saying her phone was dying. We ended up charging our phones in my car with my auxiliary outlets. She had a smartphone. So we could get some information. I ate dinner with her and her husband which was roast beef sandwiches and cookies. My apartment was sooo hot I couldn’t stand it.
Looonger story short. Operator error caused the blackout. Literally operator error. Apparently some worker in Yuma AZ was switching out some equipment and it triggered the whole thing. Crazy day that’s for sure. All in all it could have been MUCH worse.
I hav
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I have no idea why I typed "I hav"
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by SDcat09 on Sep 9, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow! I'm glad that it wasn't too bad, though it must have been pretty hot.
What I think is interesting is that, when the electricity goes out, people start becoming neighborly. Maybe the world would be a bit nicer place if we turned off the power for an evening at random intervals.
Of course, that could also lead to this:
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 9, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
It's all well and good for about a day.
Initial reports were that it might not be back until Monday. I think if that had happened it would have turned ugly. People would have started getting really cranky by Saturday I’ll bet. I’m just glad all the groceries I bought on Wednesday didn’t spoil.
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Oh man that episode was brilliant.
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I like that Wiggy is the image
for lack of clutch hitting.
Is the Denver Post becoming Bleacher Report?
The post still can't mention on base percentage when discussing a leadoff hitter
but mostly they got it. Would’ve put DLR’s injury ahead of Ubaldo since the rest of the rotation was doing well until Ubaldo got it together. It wasn’t until Jorge got hurt that the pitching started to fall apart.
I’m not sure how the Nicasio injury caused anything for 2011, since we were already falling out of the race when that happened.
FIFY
The post still can’t mention on base percentagewhen discussing a leadoff hitter
As for Nicasio, his injury didn’t spell the trouble, it just made it impossible to come back from it.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Larry Walker to the Rangers for Ian Kinsler would have fixed a lot of holes :(
the only thing I ever held against Walker
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I want an EY perception poll
At the beginning of the season I would have never thought EY would ever be close to a true MLB player. His one true talent of speed hadn’t lead to good results on the basepaths. This year, however, he has established himself if nothing else as an elite baserunner at MLB level. What do people think this means for his future?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
tops out as a 5th OF
What a shame he can’t play 2nd
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He's a player without a position
He can’t play centerfield and I don’t see him getting time in corner outfield with his batting skills. If he can’t play second he has little hope of being an legit MLB player.
I think the more he stays with CO
the more he gets forced into a fast backup guy with no great skills. I still think he could do something a little more useful at the ML level than whatever he’s done thus far, but no way in hell is that question put to the test as long as he remains a Rockie.
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Oh, he has one great skill
He can run like freaking cheetah. But that doesn’t make him a good OF – in fact, it doesn’t even make him a serviceable OF. And if he can’t win a 2B job on the 2010-2011 Rockies, then where will be ever win a 2B job?
The only place I see him sticking, is on a team that can afford to carry a guy who’s primarily a pinch-runner. That will not be Colorado, as long as Giambi is taking up a roster spot and the pitching staff is in constant need of shuffling just to stay afloat.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 9, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Oddly enough if we had started developing him as a CF from day 1 in the Org
he might be the second coming of Michael Bourn right now, of course with Dex in the system we probably would have moved him in trade already
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Perhaps, but EY has a terrible arm
And that makes it really hard to even sample him in CF, especially at Coors Field, even if he was good at catching the ball.
I don’t hate EY. I wish the Rockies could find a way to use him. But he doesn’t make it easy.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 9, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Well Juan Pierre then who managed to take that skillset and run with it, so to speak
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He has 2000 hits though
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
EY2 has better plate discipline, Pierre has better contact skills
Pierre isn’t worthless he doesn’t walk, but he doesn’t strikeout either
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yo, who was the last non-superstar offensive prospect to make it easy?
I feel like for the past 3 seasons everyone has made everything as difficult as possible. Smith, Iannetta, Stewart, Fowler, EY2, Nelson. At some point, I start to question our player development system when all these guys who can kick ass at AAA stumble around in the bigs.
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Charlie Blackmon?
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he hasn't done it yet either
though he really hasn’t had much of a shot…
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very small sample size but he only has a .259 wOBA
definitely not making it easy
They haven'T even put EY at second this year have they?
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by SurfaceThought on Sep 9, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
According to Fangraphs
he has played 34 innings there this year (way more than I’d thought). He has a staggering -90.4 UZR/150.
last year
DRS and UZR had him as a positive. I think he could be an avg defensive second baseman with blinding speed and some respectable on-base skills. Will he hit for a high enough average? I dunno but I think he has enough of a skillset for a team to take a flier, especially given how crappy 2b typically is…
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I actually agree.
I posted the UZR more for the ridiculousness of it. Obviously he’s not that bad, and I also think he could become average or slightly below if they’d actually try it for a while. And what better time than when the team is playing meaningless games?
The Rockies don't seem to be willing to stick with anyone at 2b
long enough to let them win the job. I think EY2 could be an averagish player but this team won’t have the patience.
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Don't really disagree there
I think EY is pretty bad defensively at 2B. But I often find myself wishing they would have just stuck with him when they originally benched Barmes last year. EY couldn’t have done much worse than the merry-go-round they ended up with, and maybe he would have improved.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 9, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
the only time the org seemed interested in giving him a real shot
he went and broke his leg. booooo.
as for your last time on improving.
I don’t think a single player at 2b has had time to first learn at the big league level, and then second incorporate adjustments into his game, and then third evaluate the adjustments and subsequently fine-tune his game. It’s annoying how if someone doesn’t kick ass the first two weeks they’re up, demotion starts become a likely outcome…
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"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker
it seemed like hererra sure had a long leash this season
didnt he had the starting job through mid june?
Jose Lopez
had it first, then Herrera, then some revolving door of EY2, Nelson, Herrera, and maybe Wigginton until we got Ellis…
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The Rockies
Are not (supposed to be) a developmental team. You let elite prospects have time to grow (Tulo). Guys that are marginal prospects don’t get forever to prove themselves. Its the nature of the game.
are we not a developmental team
or are we not supposed to be a developmental team?
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We are a developmental organization
but the MLB team? Not supposed to be in the business of running “prospects” out there forever if they aren’t performing.
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I understand the crunch of MLB pressure
but again, I think the players are dealing with a lot of adjustments in a very short amount of time in terms of pitch recognition, pitch anticipation, and just overall quality of pitches by moving from Tulsa, the CO Springs, to Denver. Correct me if I’m wrong, but no other mlb club has all of these types of changes as players move up the developmental chain?
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the (supposed to be)
was (intended to be) a joke given the current status of the team.
Oh, in that case
it was (meant to be) very very funny indeed….
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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This time next week, I will be home for the Weekend.
And next Saturday will be my first trip to Baseball Mecca.
Get well soon Juan.
Cooperstown?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
no, Yankee Stadium
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My bad.
My baseball Mecca.
And I would rather be murdered in a very unpleasant and drawn out manner than to ever call New York or Ohio home.
Get well soon Juan.
lolzzzzzz
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well a trip insinuates you're leaving home, so you wouldn't have to be in NY or Ohio.
Also, why Ohio?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
.
I’ve actually never been to Ohio so I can’t judge it although I don’t really have any desire to go there other than to cross it off my states visited list.
no joke
Cleveland has just rocketed up my ‘places to see in the contiguous US list’.
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I like Ichiro's quote about Cleveland
“To tell the truth, I’m not excited to go to Cleveland, but we have to. If I ever saw myself saying I’m excited going to Cleveland, I’d punch myself in the face, because I’m lying.”
somethign something agree with this comment?
maybe Brady Quinn?
ICHIROOOOOOO
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I said I will be home for the weekend.
And the state of Colorado is home for me.
Get well soon Juan.
But what if
you are murdered in a very pleasant and drawn out manner in New York? That, uh, could happen. Just sayin’.
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I wonder
If someone tried to shag you to death, but failed, could they still be done for attempted murder?
I don't think I could be shaggeed to death.
But I’d like to see the right woman try.
Get well soon Juan.
I guess you had better hope they give you a computer in jail then bion
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Hang on, I wasn't positiing myself as the murderer!
I don’t have nearly the energy, believe me. I am the poor innocent victim in this scenario.
call me crazy but maybe the most expendable/redundant players
are fringe-ish prospects like Pacheco. I’d be interested in hoping these guys have a good month to boost trade value. I don’t think Iannetta or Smith could really do much this month to alter another team’s perception of them…
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Reason #3 to be excited for next season
if Smith’s walk rate rebounds next year, this offense can feature 6 mostly regular players with OBP’s of ~.365 or higher.
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Voted Nelson
Really liked the idea of him getting a shot this year, don’t have any big problems with him. But he got several shots this year and didn’t capitalize on any of them. (Cue argument about what constitutes a “shot” and whether Tracy adjusts lineups fairly from day-to-day; frankly, I think 160 PAs counts as a shot regardless of how the PAs were accumulated)
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
So today is the 1st anniversary of
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Against the Reds. At home.
Hmmm. That’s weird.
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by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
That's funny.
I was at that game too. I was thinking about that the other day. It didn’t know that it was on the same date.
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 9, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
he's hurt
Tracy said he might be able to play today though
by black_knight101 on Sep 9, 2011 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Its the first in a series of talks by famous authors to help raise money for our Library out here.
http://www.cedar-rapids.com/events/view.php?id=1912
Our Public library still hasn’t recovered from our floods in ’08.
Get well soon Juan.
I'll give you five bucks to tell him
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 9, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Good morning all:
Started the beginning of a 48 hour work shift at 9:30 this morning. Working until 9:30 Sunday morning. Thank God its all overtime.
I will get to go through 2 Rockies games and hopefully they come through with victories.
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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Holy cow. How many rest breaks do you get?
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Well, LOL, most of the time I will be sitting here doing nothing. Only time I do anything is when a train shows up to get loaded
I either do the paperwork, and sit here on the computer or I get up in teh engine and run the engine around the loop for 4 and a half hours. 85-90% of these 48 hours will be sitting in front the computer. I get paid to sit on my butt. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
That's what I'm wondering.
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Yep, we have recliners, cots, a microwave, fridge, coffee maker.
We was just given the ok to have a barbeque grill up here. Only thing we are lacking is satelite TV. As long as we are here on mine property, we are on the clock.
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
So, I have a question.
I wonder if starting some of the younger players over other veteran players in a basically lost season, has anything to do with some of the older players that have bonuses tied into PA, ABs, etc.?
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It can, but I don't think the Rockies have a lot of veteran contracts involving bonuses based on playing time.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, that seems like a stinky deal.
Obviously, some do so poorly early in the season that they lose their playing time. For those that are probably at worst a platoon player and at best should be starting most days, lose that time to a prospect in September could create some ill will.
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Well, look at it this way
If the player signed that contract, they were a bounceback candidate. If they’re worth a damn, they likely would’ve been traded at the deadline. If not, it’s no big tragedy that Rookie dude is playing.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah...I can see that...
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Just a thought though
Some teams have dicked over incentivized players in that fashion.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
That's no bueno.
I hope we don’t do that.
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I mean in a generalized way
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I think arbitration cases
are sometimes filed if its egregious, but teams know better than to do that in general, at least to specifically suppress bonuses.
I know it appears that the only real race left for a playoff spot is in the AL West
but I still wonder if the Rays can inject some life into the AL Wild Card battle this weekend. The Red Sox have quietly started to slide (they are just 3-7 in their last 10 games), and the Rays are now a somewhat interesting 6 games back in the loss column. The plot starts to develop even more when you look at the schedule. The Red Sox have to go to Tampa for three games starting tonight and then host the Rays for four games next weekend in Boston. Now add in the fact that Josh Beckett’s status is uncertain and this situation suddenly has the potential to become downright juicy.
If Beckett misses his turn the next two or three times around, 80% of the Red Sox rotation is shakey as there’s nobody besides Lester who I would trust. Also, the Red Sox were 16-4 in Beckett’s last 20 starts before Monday’s game when he got injured so taking him out of the roatation for ANY lenghth of time leaves them vulnerable.
Now, if the Rays can somehow sweep Boston this weekend (and it’s not impossible looking at the pitching matchups), they will suddenly be just three games out of the Wild Card in the loss comumn trailing a Red Sox team who would be coming unglued (SURPRISE!!!!!) – And even if they only take 2 out of 3 to cut the gap to 5 games, they still have another four games to make noise against the Red Sox next weekend in Fenway.
I say this well aware that Boston could just as easily take two of three this weekend and suck any remaining drama out of this race, but I really think there’s a possibility the Red Sox come unraveled here.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 9, 2011 12:05 PM MDT reply actions
god i would be so happy if boston didn't make the playoffs
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
2012: get ready for White Pomz!
If A) The Rays sweep them this weekend and B) Josh Beckett really can't go for a couple of weeks, it's very possible
I don’t think it’s likely by any means, but it’s something to watch anyway as there is at least potential for a situation to develop here.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 9, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
And even if they don't miss the playoffs
It would at least get intereting if it got down to two or three games. Red Sox fans would have to root for the Yankees when they play the Rays later this month.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 9, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
The Milwaukee Arizona race will be interesting
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
....what?
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Is that the
who doesn’t have to play Philly race?
by DumbAndNerdy on Sep 9, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
that could be a good one too
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Eh
There’s no elimination in play there.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 9, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
To be honest
I would rather play Philly in the 5 game series. That one produces more flukes.
I'm pretty disgusted right now!
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Sep 9, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Someone may have put this up.
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Chris Iannetta reached 5 years of service time yesterday.
Those of you with lingering nightmares of Iannetta being sent down to the minors early next year after like three bad games now can rest easier as he can declare free agency if they do that.
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You can rest easier
if you think this means that the Rockies won’t try to send him down, not if you think it means he’ll end up as a FA after three bad games next year….
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Sep 9, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
It means the Rockies won't try to send him down.
Then again, he might be traded in the offseason anyway.
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by Greg Stanwood on Sep 9, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
From Renck
Pic of Roberto Clemente’s statue at PNC Park.
http://twitpic.com/6iephj
Switch the hand the bat is in, and who does this remind you of?
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If you notice in the corners of the diamond,
there are glass casings. Those casings include dirt from a small field in Puerto Rico, Forbes Field, and Three Rivers. All places where Clemente played.
Oh that's very cool :)
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Also, the bridge in the background is the Roberto Clemente Bridge.
it was, at the time of its renaming, the only bridge in the city of Pittsburgh named after a person. Since then, it’s two sister bridges have been renamed after people as well.
The City of Pittsburgh has 446 bridges.
Wow. I didn't know they had that many bridges!
I’ve learned some new things here. Thanks!
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Them
1. Brandon Phillips® 2B
2. Dave Sappelt® LF
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Jay Bruce (L) RF
5. Juan Francisco (L) 3B
6. Drew Stubbs® CF
7. Ryan Hanigan® C
8. Paul Janish® SS
9. Homer Bailey® P
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions
For those who think that Bob Davidson is not a cool dude.
You might enjoy this
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=18971995&topic_id=9780550
Apologies if this has been posted before
I don't really see how this has anything to do with Bob Davidson.
Am I missing something?
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't get it.
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I don't mean to pile on, so sorry
But did you get the right link? We’re just getting Curtis Granderson stretching with the Orioles’ mascot and talking to it while some ump calls a Grandy AB. Davidson is in the NL this year, so he wouldn’t be the dude behind the plate.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions
So how come Justin Verlander is getting all this MVP hype but Roy Halladay isn't?
Halladay has pitched better than Verlander this year. And to me, the NL doesn’t have a clear frontrunner in the MVP race whereas the AL has Bautista (who I think should win) and Ellsbury
because Halladay is not having an MVP type year.
Hell, I would throw Ian Kennedy;s name in the hat for MVP as well. Kershaw is close. Its going to be Howard, Fielder, or someone else
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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DEFINITELY won't be Ryan Howard.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions
but east coast bias! You know he will be talked about
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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explain this to me?
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thank you. Glad someone else sees the foolishness here
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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Verlander
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/verlaju01.shtml
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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Halladay
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hallaro01.shtml
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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So you're saying Halladay should get more support than Verlander
because Verlander has nearly 8 WAR while Halladay is just over 6?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Halladay doesn't deserve, Verlander does
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Oh gotcha
Yeah. Verlander is having a crazy year in every metric. He’s being introduced because he can be the face of the Tigers’ division championship, and without an obvious position player MVP, people want to go there
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Verlander is having a better year. That's all I have to say.
I probably shouldn’t have jumped in on this because I don’t know the metric stuff, but how can someone pick Roy Halladay just because he is Roy Halladay. He is a great pitcher, there is no denying that. But, he isn’t the NL MVP this year and he sure wouldn’t win it in the AL this year either. That is Verlander’s award this year.
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the MVP is Verlander's? I beg to differ.
Jose Bautista and Jacoby Ellsbury would like a word.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Pitching wise if that was the case. I didnt clarify that. My bad.
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I would like to have a word with them also?
Ask them how the hell they got so good?
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You've gotta love Halladay's 7.5 K:BB though.
And the guy’s posted and ERA+ over 150 for four years in a row.
You should throw Adrian Gonzalez in there too.
@CentralCaliRox
by CentralCaliRox on Sep 9, 2011 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
And Granderson
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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Granderson, I agree with
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as has Ellsbury
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Halladay has pitched better than Verlander? Wow, Verlander has 22 wins and Halladay has 16
Kershaw has 17 and Kennedy has 19. No way, Halladay wins it
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/popcorn
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joins you. WOuld like to hear this reasoning
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlv7Bp-L2MM
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 9, 2011 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions
...
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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oh boy
i’m just going to link this and then slowly back out of the room
Halladay has a better bb/9, gb%, fip, xfip, tera, siera, hr/9
and looking at their babip difference (halladay .310 vs verlander .235) I would say that Halladay has pitched better this year
the only real thing that verlander has been better at is k/9
Half of those stats have to do with the type of pitcher that Halladay is compared to Verlander.
Verlander is killing Halladay in Ks, but that’s because he’s a K pitcher.
Verlander’s ERA+ is ten points above Halladay. His WHIP is lower than Halladay’s. He pitches in the AL.
I don’t see a clear argument supporting Halladay as having pitched better.
Killing him in Ks? The difference in their k/9 is .46, not exactly killing it. the difference in the bb/9 is a higher rate than that
Fangraphs version of ERA+ (ERA-) has Verlander at only 4 pts better whereas the differnce between their FIP- is 19 pts.
Verlander does have a pretty good lead over halladay in whip. i’ll give you that and he does pitch in the AL although it is in a pretty bad division (the nl east isnt much better though)
Maybe its not as crystal clear as I originally made it out to be but I still think Halladay has been the better pitcher this year
It's not clear.
So, back to your question, Why Verlander?
The Tigers are 23–8 when Verlander pitches. Six of those eight losses happened before May 20. That means since May 20, the Tigers are 19-2 when Verlander pitches.
If you remember. the Tigers got off to a slow start. On May 21, they were 6 games back. The indians had control of the division into June. Ever since then, Verlander has been great. The Tigers have been great. They took the division, and they aren’t letting it go.
There isn’t a story like that for Halladay. In fact, it could be argued that Cliff Lee is at least as good, if not better this year, than Halladay. So, he’s not even clearly the best pitcher on his team.
I dont care about the metrics. Proof is in the wins.
Ok, Halladay has 7 CG. Doesn’t make him a MVP candidate.\
Plus, another thing. PItchers shouldn’t win the MVP. They have the CY Young. MVP for everyday players.
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Matt Belisle is as valuable of a pitcher as Madison Bumgarner, clearly
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Sep 9, 2011 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Yep. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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I'm so confused right now.
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Likewise
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by nodakroxfan on Sep 9, 2011 4:02 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
i am as well
is he in favor or against pitcher winz?
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John Lackey is as valuable as Tim Lincecum
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Not quite
reliever wins are worth .78 of a starter win. I read that somewhere.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Sep 9, 2011 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions
pitcher winz = great way to evaluate pitcher talent.
the only organization of humans responsible for more evil in the universe than the philadelphia phillies is the boston red sox
2012: get ready for White Pomz!
/pokes head in door
Which begs the never ending question…is MVP based on most valuable to his team.. or the best player in baseball?
/backs out of room
/closes door
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The MVP is certainly not
A guy that sits and watches over 3/4 of his team’s games.
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I don't have a problem with a starter winning it
IF he’s having a historic year (and thus is incredibly valuable to his team) and there are no obvious position players in the running. That’s going to happen very rarely. I’m not sure this is one of those years, but I don’t have an issues with Verlander getting some votes (maybe not 1st place votes, but in the top few).
I’ll let Joe Posnanski answer that question for me.
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i agree with posanski's reasoning behind why he votes and who he is voting for
The year is not over but my AL mvp is Bautista. I don’t know on the NL side yet.
The problem here is that
he doesn’t quite clarify what productive means. Is it WAR?
I think we’d have a pretty interesting list of MVPs if we went by WAR.
I am going to the game tonight.......
/but I have a cold…
//at least I got the stitch out of the top of my foot
///just give me some drugs and send me on my way
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 9, 2011 3:21 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Im going to sit here at work, watch the game and keep score. Did it the 2nd game of the last series. God, it had been awhile but it was fun
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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Yay for keeping score!
(though I have to say I’ve never kept score when not physically at the ballpark). May you have the pleasure of scoring an 11-batter inning for the Rockies like I did Tuesday night :-)
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oh that is what makes its fun. You get to keep score, tearing your hair out all the while watching your team kick ass.
Thats whats having an 11 batter inning. Means your probably winning the game.
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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I did say "have the pleasure of". Scoring 11-batter innings is awesome!
I do think you run the risk of having someone come along and cart you off to a nursing home if you keep score while listening to a game on the radio. Watch your back if that’s the case!
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I watch it on TV.
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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Lineup per Renck...no Tulo
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Why didn't he bat Rosario at cleanup?
He batted Alfonzo 4th. Why not Rosario?
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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Tulo out with minor hip soreness per Renck
PDATE. Please retweet when folks ask. Tulo has mild left hip soreness. Just needs rest. Nelson at SS. Sorry for any confusion
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I missed it. Did I post something someone else already posted?
Almost as if I didn’t read…..
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Oh I saw that....I couldn't figure out how it was related to Tulo...
I get your joke now..:)
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its probably another way of saying that he needs another day off.
I wonder what he did to screw up his hip. The taco dance?
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On a day off nonetheless.
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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I suspect he tweaked it at some point
during the last game.
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Could it have been when that one D-Bag ran into him to break up that double play?
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really....
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I just now realized my twitter feed hasn't been updating for over an hour.
And now older tweets refuse to load. Annoying.
I hate when that happens >.<
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Yeah. Still not working.
I get that “Loading tweets seems to be taking awhile” thing, and clicking “try again” does nothing.
My comment below might be you can't load tweets...probably being overloaded.
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Speaking of Twitter
Apparently NBC News Twitter was hacked and people were posting tweets about a new attack at Ground Zero happening today.
Idiots. Complete jerkface idiots for doing that. Now NBC News has had to cancel their Twitter.
That really pisses me off.
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Seriously.
I saw that it had been hacked, but never saw any of the actual tweets before the account was suspended. If that’s the kind of thing they were posting, so dumb.
Group The Script Kiddies (whatever that is) has apparently claimed responsibility.
I wonder if they could be prosecuted for making
a false claim of a crime. You know like filing a false police report.
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Tweeting isn't quite the same thing as calling 9-11
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Yeah but considering the sensitivity of 9/11
etc etc. this is a bit different. And there has been reports of “credible” threat current. But I do understand your point.
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Renck tweets
Tracy said Rosario will get majority of starts rest of season. He met w iannetta and explained situation. Iannetta will start Sunday
What situation? That CDI is a lame duck now?
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alson
Tracy said Pacheco will get most of starts at 3rd. And might get opp at 1st and maybe not at 2b now
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No
But we want to give Rosario a solid audition. Iannetta’s had a 3 fWAR season, there’s really no reason to keep playing him.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Please don't shoot me
but is 3 fWAR a good thing? I get a little a lost on some of these.
/ducks
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2 WAR is an average season for a full-time player.
3 WAR is very good, especially for a catcher who’s played as little as Iannetta has (relative to like Avila, McCann, etc).
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Cool thanks
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(btw, you don’t have to do the /ducks thing when you have a question. Nobody’s going to yell at you for asking a legit question.)
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
(cool)
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(if they do you send ’em my way)
(if it’s me send me holly’s way)
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I would pay money
to see Holly take you down…
Of course in my head holly is this tiny little 5’2" woman..
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Andrew is a robust fellow
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was I close?
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you are blowing my mind
here Holly…blowing it away.
I can’t believe you are taller than me…
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I'm younger than you?
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I just turned 30
in August…
And I’m really really skinny…
and 5’8"
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Yeah, I'm about 3-1/2 years older than you.
And not THAT much taller. And not skinny (though I’m no jdub either—probably about average).
wow...
my mind is blown Holly…BLOWN
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You won't be surprised to hear...
that Holly is stunningly beautiful.
Like all Rockies fans.
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turned 33 on August 27th
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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only 5'5
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Im only 5ft 5 inches tall.
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
les just hope it's not circumference
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 9, 2011 5:14 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Bah, look at all you tiny tiny people
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 9, 2011 5:12 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
lol. okay
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(hell, send me holly’s way on principle)
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions
(o_O)
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(that actually looks much more expressive with the parentheses)
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh yea?
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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"legit question" being key
that is to say it’s not something written about in the article and it’s not already discussed upthread but the question asker couldn’t be bothered to read it.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions
understood
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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"we're only playing for next year at this point, we can give him a day off"
-Jim Tracy, May 2011
/not actually, but definitely possible
#FireJimTracy
FFFFFFFFFFF.
/it is a new beginning, right?
by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 9, 2011 4:39 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
FREAKING LAME
my fantasy partner is going to kill me for not being on top of this.
It hurts me also. I dont mind him getting a day off but damn. Im trying to move up the standings. Hard to do without one of your main players
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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Kouz is screwed...
if Pacheco takes his PT away. I thought we were giving Kouz the certainty of knowing he’d be in the starting lineup everyday. Why can’t Tracy just stick with somebody over there for more than a two week stretch? This impatience is ridiculous, and Pacheco’s inexperience at the hot corner will cost us wins. Of course, that may be the whole idea….to get a better draft position.
We did, he started for like 2 weeks.
That was all they said they’d do. And they did it.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions
My question was why...
can’t we stick with one player for MORE than two weeks. Kouz at 3rd for two weeks does not answer that question.
they just wanted to see if there was anything left in the tank.
The answer is no, not really.
Might as well give Pacheco playing time, this is the end of the season, the Rockies aren’t going to the playoffs, it’s effectively garbage time. Might as well.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think you can judge a player like Kouz in...
two weeks worth of at-bats. If that’s their MO, they are a dumber FO than I thought.
Kouz strikes me as a classic mistake hitter. Those types tend to be streaky, and go on power surges when they get locked in. Kouz was brought here to see if he can emerge at Coors Field, given his past pitcher venues in Oakland and SD where he was at a disadvantage.
Quick to judge equals quick to lose.
Kouz has pretty much already dug his own grave for his entire career...
I don’t there’s anything “quick to lose” here
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so he's Clint Barmes
He has plenty of career to “judge” him by. He got an audition. He failed the audition.
He could still get a ST invite, and that’s really all this september is about. It’s not like he’s the salvation of 3B and Tracy’s just refusing to play him.
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't even really think he "failed."
Yeah, he is pretty much what we thought he was (after his first couple bad starts when he didn’t get a hit he’s been decent, at least by our recent 3rd base standards).
But I totally agree that there’s really no reason to keep playing him every day right now. I think they know enough to decide whether or not to give him a shot in ST, depending on whether or not some miracle 3B is acquired during the offseason.
watch it be freaking Pacheco
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions
True, but why would I make a mistake to Kouz?
When he will pretty much swing at anything within a foot of the plate. To be a great mistake hitter, you have to make the pitcher work to get you out – then you crush his mistakes. Kouz is a career .300 OBP guy with a decent glove – nothing more, nothing less. Three more weeks of Kouz will make him a .300 OBP guy with a decent glove, who’s three weeks older.
by Northsider1964 on Sep 9, 2011 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I picked "other", as in Fowler, in the poll...
I happen to think CarGo is this generation’s Ken Griffey Jr., and could be the best CF in the game. So why do we relegate him to a corner OF spot?
Fowler has upped his trade value with his hot 2nd half. Use that good fortune and deal him for a strong corner outfield power bat.
We have to remember that Fowler has poor fundamentals even with his natural talent. He makes multiple baserunning mistakes, has never learned how to steal bases consistently, and takes bad routes and makes bad decisions in the OF. He’s not a polished instinctive player. He’s fast and athletic, but has limited upside due to his lack of feel for the game in the little areas. I’d definitely see what I could get for Fowler, and not fall in love with this player.
Forgot to mention he can't bunt either...
But use his triples proclivity to get a real power bat.
He's perfect for trade high
I agree, but I suspect other GMs see what you see and we won’t make a legitimately valuable trade.
Heh. Per Renck
ust talked to Brandon Phillips. He flew a Twitter contest winner Will Hicks and his friend Jimmi Adair to denver and put them in team hotel
I do kind of like this guy a little bit.
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He's up there with Punkton to me
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
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Oh not me.
There is Punkton and there is Brandon Phillips. I suspect if I were a Cards fan I would hate him.
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If I was a catcher and he did that to me.
He would’ve got cracked in the jaw. I would’ve snapped.
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
What did he do?
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when he did that to Yadier Molina. Tapping his bat on the shin guards.
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
Oh. Right. I thought that was such an overblown deal.
I guess because I really dislike the Cardinals I found it amusing
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This. I would have beat his ass.
FFFFFFFFFFF.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Sep 9, 2011 5:10 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I like Phillips
He just said publicly what a lot people think about LaRussa, Pujols, the Cards and their fans.
by coffeeis4closersonly on Sep 9, 2011 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Is there going to be a GT tonight?
Prediction---->Well, Tulo got his 30 homers. Cargo? The countdown is beginning to number 30. 25 down. 5 to go.
Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES.
There is always a game thread
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by Andrew Martin on Sep 9, 2011 11:13 PM MDT up reply actions
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