Wednesday Rockpile: The 2012 Rockies Rotation -- Do Young Guns Have Enough Bullets?
by Jeff Aberle on Jan 11, 2012 7:45 AM MST
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PrintWhen I read that the Rockies didn't have the money in their budget for Kevin Millwood, I thought to myself two things. One was, they offered Kevin Millwood a million guaranteed plus another million in incentives on a major league contract and he turned it down? The other was, we're counting on a rotation full of players that have yet to reach their 30th birthday to throw a bunch of innings this year (until Jorge De La Rosa comes back).
With it looking increasingly likely that Juan Nicasio will be ready to pitch in MLB this spring, I see Colorado's 2012 Opening Day rotation shaking out like this: Jhoulys Chacin (24), Nicasio (25), Jason Hammel (29), Kevin Slowey (27), and Drew Pomeranz (23). Waiting in the wings are Alex White (23), Tyler Chatwood (22), Chad Bettis (turns 23 in April), and Esmil Rogers (26). That's a pretty nice young group of arms Colorado has assembled.
The big test of 2012 will be if those young arms can consistently pitch at least six innings in their starts. As has been quoted on this blog previously, in 2011 nobody threw for 200 innings on this team -- and 2 of the top 5 guys on that innings pitched leaderboard aren't with the team in 2012. That's going to put a lot of strain on the bullpen, so it would be nice if a couple of young guns develop into horses this season.
Chacin threw only 22 more innings in 2011 than he did in 2010 (counting the minors), but 194 innings is a lot for a 23 year-old in this day and age. Nicasio broke his freaking neck last year after throwing only 128 innings, though he threw 177 in 2010. Hammel has 3 seasons between 170 and 180 IP in the last 3 years, so he's a pretty safe bet to do so again. Slowey has two seasons of 150+ MLB innings, and both were immediately followed by seasons with less than 100 IP -- according to that pattern he's due for a good 2012. Pomeranz threw only 119 innings in his first professional season over 4 levels -- I doubt that the Rockies push him too far past that level this year. Of the fringe rotation candidates, Chatwood threw 158 innings last year, Rogers has thrown over 150 just once, White threw 150 in 2010, and Bettis tossed the most innings (169.2) last season.
The point to all this is that it seems pretty likely to me that, even if the Rockies do have a relatively healthy pitching year in 2012, they will probably be relying pretty heavily on their bullpen for 3+ innings per game. My hope is that the pitching staff at least pitches effectively in the innings that they do give the Rockies. In my eyes, getting a healthy and effective De La Rosa back early in 2012 will be the key for the Rockies in making a playoff push.
Thomas Harding wrote yesterday about Hammel's late season improvement (1.80 ERA, 3.28 FIP in 20 September innings), and mentions that he has lots of room for growth to build off of that effectiveness. When the most veteran starter in the rotation has that being said about him, you know that there's a lot of uncertainty in Colorado's rotation. Let's hope for better fortune in 2012.
Larry Walker Can't Get No Respect
It's completely unsurprising, and yet I am incredibly disappointed about the results of the Hall of Fame voting. Larry Walker got more votes than last year (up 2.6% to 22.9% of the total), but it should be noted that this was the weakest rookie class in a long time, so if he had a true chance of enshrinement by the writers, he should have gotten a pretty big bump up in voting. Instead, Fred McGriff got more votes than Walker, who placed 9th overall.
Even internet writers with sabermetric leanings aren't all on the bandwagon. While Beyond the Boxscore elected Walker with ease to their mock Hall, the Hardball Times' staff only mentioned Walker on 30% of ballots.
Brandon Warne at Fangraphs has a pretty comprehensive look at Walker's HOF candidacy, but it makes me wonder why nobody (myself included) was making these arguments all over the blogosphere two months ago when it could have actually influenced the electorate to look more closely at Walker.
In addition to all that Larry Walker stuff, only 56.2% of voters wrote down Jeff Bagwell's name -- a player who would be an upper echelon HOF player the minute he was elected -- while 66.7% voted for Jack Morris, a player who would challenge Jim Rice and Bruce Sutter as the least qualified inductees of the modern era. In all 573 ballots were cast by the writers, with only 2921 votes (that's a mere 5.1 players listed per ballot). My position is that there are plenty of players currently not in the Hall whose inclusion would make the Hall stronger, so to only write down 5 names per ballot (10 writers voted for nobody) is mystifying to me.
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Hammel's quotes
in that linked article do not exactly inspire confidence.
“Learning how to pitch” in the off-season for a 29-yr-old who’s in his 4th Major League season? Yes, it sure would be nice if he figured it out before he turns 30.
At least 2 self-references to improving “between the ears”?
Has Hammel become a head case?
I am surprised that a fan base who witnessed the transformation of a guy with a big arm and no clue how to command it into a front-of-the-rotation lefty would be skeptical regarding the mental side of pitching. Whether Hammel can figure it out remains to be seen, but there’s fairly recent precedent around these parts.
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton
I don't doubt the importance of the mental side of pitching.
Just question why a guy who’s almost 30, came up in a system known for its topnotch player development (especially pitching), and who’s spent 4 years in the bigs is still trying to figure out how to pitch. If’s he’s 25 – 26 & still breaking in in the Majors, that’s one thing.
Those are the types of guys he’s competing against for a rotation spot. But he’s supposed to be “the veteran” of the group (until JDLR’s return), and it’s worrisome that he still may not know how to pitch.
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
JDLR is a pretty good example of a late bloomer in terms of the mental side
Tampa has also had a lot of misses on their pitching in the farm. It is just overshadowed by their huge successes.
All teams have a lot of misses on pitching in the farm.
It’s the nature of the position, with injuries and multiple-pitch development progress being largely unpredictable on draft day. But when Tampa brings a starting pitcher into its rotation, it’s highly likely he’s ready to go, because if he’s not, they’ve got others waiting in the wings. Hammel was never a full member of the Rays’ rotation,
but he was No. 6 (behind Neimann) in the pecking order when he had to be traded due to being out of options. The point being, he’s had plenty of time to learn how to pitch.
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
Whenever a player forgets what pitch he's throwing..
in the middle of his motion, then it becomes easy to question if his head is in the game. Even if the person asking is the player himself.
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by Charlie77 on Jan 11, 2012 1:00 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Putting my faith in Hammel for the 2012 season?
Hmmm…
So wondering if we can just talk about the 2013 season and completely ignore the coming season and save myself a few headaches, swear words, and waste of breath
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Hammel is a guy that looks pretty good on Fangraphs (two 3.9 fWAR seasons) and mediocre on B-Ref (top season was last year with 2 rWAR)
I’m leaning far more toward the B-Ref POV here.
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im gonna go with ya on that one too…Hes a guy that goes out and shuts out a team for 7 innings and looks awesome, next two starts 4 ER and 6ER then back to 2 or 0 then back up to 7ER.
He can never just figure it out into a model of consistency. Maybe thats what you want out of your 5 starter and maybe not, I don’t know. Unfortunately he is our #2??? However, he is 29 and hasn’t really shown anything different. He kinda reminds me of Esmil Rogers, same velocity’ish, can dominate, then can suck. Difference being age, 575 more innings pitched, and $4.75 mil vs leage min.
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 11, 2012 8:29 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe the demotion to the pen
Was the wakeup call Hammel needed. He certainly looked like a different pitcher after that happened. Seemed much more focused and driven to excel, instead of looking like a guy who rolled out of bed a half hour before the first pitch.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 11, 2012 8:37 AM MST up reply actions
I hope he continue his late season production.
I would love to see him beat all of Cooks club records before Nicasio does.
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Get well soon Juan.
why do Jhoulys expect Chacin to break records?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 9:06 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Because I Juan him and Nicasio to compete back and forth througout thier carrers.
And Expect La Violencia to come out on top.
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My hope is that the July and August struggles were a result of his wife being in the 8th and 9th months of her pregnancy
After their kid was born is when he started pitching well again. Also coincided with the demotion so who knows the real reason. But I think that a bounce back to 2010 Hammel is likely
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by purplesocks on Jan 11, 2012 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
wow
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 11, 2012 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
my thoughts as well
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Although pitcher WAR is weak on both accounts,
rWAR is definitely better in my book.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 8:31 AM MST up reply actions
It may do a better job awarding past performance
but DIPS is much more predictive
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I'm likely to be lambasted by this
But I recall 2 or 3 years ago, a good friend of mine got together with the guys at MHR and began a grass roots campaign to get Floyd Little into the NFL hall of fame. I believe they put together some pretty good information and videos to go along with why Little should have been considered, and they were successful.
Maybe we should do something similar for Walker. I know Walker didn’t save the franchise or anything like that, but he should be in the HoF. I would hate to see Rockies players get as snubbed as Broncos players are by their respective HoF.
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This goes to my FanPost.
These campaigns, unfortunately, are what get people in. Usually they need some bigger names than just a blog. It’d be a first step though.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 8:16 AM MST up reply actions
Is there a strong anti-Walker HOF contingent on here?
It’s a good idea to start beating the drum. Other bloggers with wider audiences link to PR (or, at least Baseball Musings does) so it’s likely that with a little outreach and solicitation a campaign could catch on quickly outside of PR.
Starting pitcher innings
Thank you for focusing on this roster’s most gaping hole.
Why do teams seem to overpay for starting pitcher innings? Because a baseball season isn’t a series of 162 independent events. It’s about winning 3 and 4 game series, putting together a few nice winning streaks, avoiding months like May 2011 and keeping your bullpen off life support for as much of the season as possible. So maybe those teams aren’t overpaying after all. Want to compete? – this is what it costs.
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and you can add:
Rays, Shields ($7 mil in 2012 after a monster season)
Rays, Davis ($1.5 mil)
Rays, Price ($2.4 mil, counting prorated signing bonus)
Rays, Hellickson ($418K in 2011, not yet arb. eligible)
Incredible. The entire rotation will cost less than what some teams will be paying some middle-of-rotation starters.
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
Sorry, that was poorly phrased on my part
I meant which signings won’t be overpays in hindsight, but are currently considered such?
I'm suggesting that some of the deals that are widely characterized as overpays
may not be, if the alternative is watching your team implode. Gio, Cahill, Latos, for example.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 11, 2012 9:01 AM MST up reply actions
I don't believe Cahill was an overpay
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 9:06 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Agreed.
I think the Dbacks got a great deal in that trade.
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I think it's important to distinguish between:
1. Guys like Joe Saunders, Randy Wolf, Carl Pavano who can pitch 200 innings, but are older, known commodities and do one or two things well (good control, good GB%, etc.), ; and
2. Guys like Cahill, Gio, and Latos who can pitch the innings and do several things well, are young, and still have room to grow into even better pitchers.
Both categories are innings eaters in a sense, but when I hear that phrase I think guys like Maholm and Pavano, etc.
I would agree.
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 11, 2012 9:12 AM MST up reply actions
I agree with you
But even for the less talented guys with little upside, the market price is likely to be painful. Because, even those guys are impacting more than the 30-35 games in which they actually start. They’re obviously not going to command a huge haul like Gio or Latos did, but you still probably have to give till it hurts.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 11, 2012 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
For those in the first category of innings eaters
paying between $3 and $6 million annually (Maholm, Marquis, Garcia, Bedard, Harang, Capuano, Chen) is not really giving till it hurts.
rWAR for those players over last two years:
Bedard: 1.8 (1 year)
Capuano: 2.6
Chen: 4.6
Garcia: 5.5
Harang: .6 (1.9 in 2011)
Maholm: 3
Marquis: -1.2
With the exception of Marquis and Harang (who proved valuable in 2011), the annual salary paid to the type one innings eaters is on par with their average according to BRef. There’s not really a premium to sign those pitchers.
In terms of overall value to acquire, it costs far, far more in lost future production to trade prospects than to spend a few million. And it should, because Latos, Gio and Cahill do a lot more than eat up innings.
Good information, thanks
But knowing this actually makes me feel even worse about our offseason dumpster dive.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 11, 2012 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
You mean acquiring Slowey?
Who else did we bring in (not a facetious question) to compete for the rotation?
technically, chatwood is new and could compete
but he’s down the list
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 10:50 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I considered Chatwood to be comfortably above Slowey on the talent spectrum
not sure if that translates into a rotation spot or not.
Slowey, Chatwood, Schmidt
I realize the latter two are probably not in the mix for the rotation, and Schmidt was pretty much just a throw-in for the Pads taking on Street’s salary. But when pressed for an answer (on the season ticket holder conf call) for where the hell our starting pitcher innings are going to come from, they were billed as potential contributors. I don’t see it happening with any of the three, frankly.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 11, 2012 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
actually one of the three will probably will
Just like last year with second base, you have a bunch of garbage compete for the starting spot, one of them does a little less garbagey than the others…and you have your garbage player!
My guess is Slowey is our 5th starter and lasts a month, then bring on more garbage.
To be fair,
Slowey is not like Adam Eaton or Mark Redman or Livan Hernandez. He has an actual skill that is of value, a super-low BB rate, which none of the other garbage pitchers brought in ever had. He combines that super-low walk rate with an above average K rate to produce a K/BB rate that none of the other garbage pitchers could touch.
He may not be a fit for Coors Field with the low GB rate, but he has the skills to be a valuable commodity.
I don’t know anything about Schmidt, but based on Chatwood’s minor league numbers he did a pretty good job, at 21, of adjusting to the MLB last year when more minor league season was clearly need after 2010.
Some people, RG in particular, think well of his potential, and at 22 it’s hard to call him garbage.
I agree with you about slowey
He would be a decent 5th starter if we were in a pitchers park, but since he doesn’t make sense here, I don’t get why they did it, but I don’t get why they bring in half the borderline big league pitchers.
Chatwood i actually am definitely intrigued about though. The rox have focused on bringing in power guys more lately and I think its really going to pay off.
DLR's GB rate jumped about 5%,
and as much as 12%, from his time with the Royals. Granted, Slowey needs more of a swing to survive, but it’s possible they think he can make an improvement.
It’d be interesting to see a scatter pattern of balls hit on Slowey to see if, in his better seasons, a lot of fly balls would have been HR in Coors. That will happen any way, but if he’s inducing weaker contact (the type of thing I liked to think of Ubaldo), then maybe there’s something more to him than the numbers.
Long-term, I'm not really down on Chatwood
I just don’t think he’s any closer to contributing than a host of guys we already had.
Schmidt, in my opinion, is Greg Reynolds The Sequel. A once-great college pitcher whose arm is used up.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 11, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
Please spare me
I would not consider Slowey or Chatwood ready to assume a role in the rotation. I do not remeber who Schmidt is.
They need a real SP, not someone who is just coming out of diapers, or someone who couldn’t win a single game last season!
So are the Rox going to dpend upon a bunch of rag arms to compete against the tope teams this year? Ar we going to wate the talenst of Tolo, Cargo, Cuddyer and others jst so they can experiment with people who can’t really cut the mustard. I shudder!
by Real Perspective on Jan 11, 2012 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
The short answer is yes
But if they add an legit starting pitcher next season i’m ok with it. Do you honestly think adding someone like Kuroda this year is going to really put us over the hump. A lot needs to get figured out with these young guys this year and most importantly they need experience.
If they don’t add someone big to the rotation next year though i’ll be pissed.
It's incredibly unfair to suggest that
a young pitcher “who is coming out of diapers” is not a “real” starter…Clayton Kershaw, for example, was dominant at age 21.
It sounds like you’re automatically dismissing any potential impact that our wealth of young pitching can make in 2012, simply because they lack an established major league track record…yet, for instance, Pomeranz’s and Nicasio’s (assuming he beats the mental barriers) limited action in the majors would suggest that they are capable of handing MLB batters and that there is not much left for them to learn in the minors.
Don't you think not even knowing who a player is
Destroys what credibility you may have when talking about the team? Do you not think that, before posting this, doing 3 minutes of research might not have made you look a lot less dumb?
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he says he doesn't know who nick schmidt is,
not like chacin or tulo. schmidt is probably pretty irrelevant to the big team
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I don't think Latos was an overpay at all
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I am inclined to agree with you
But most seemed to feel the Reds got fleeced.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 12, 2012 8:08 AM MST up reply actions
yankees, sabathia
tigers, verlander
mariners, hernandez
phillies, halladay and lee
giants, lincecum and cain
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Was we interested in Madson? If so, too late now.
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I don't recall hearing that
seems like he was always going to be too expensive. Maybe Lidge was the Phillie reliever`?
no
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 10:50 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I vote for a 7 man rotation.
With the # 3 guy going 4 innings and # 6 guy going 4 innings in game # 3
With the #5 guy going 4 innings and the # 7 guy going 4 innings in game # 5
Bullpen (minus closer) only has to work in games 1 2 and 4
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 11, 2012 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
I actually like the idea of a Tandem Rotation
1A: Chacin 1A (4-5 ip)
1B: Rogers (3-4 ip)
2A: Hammel (4-5 ip)
2B: Pomeranz (3-4 ip)
3A: Slowey (4 ip)
3B: Nicasio (3 ip)
4A: White (3-4 ip)
4B: ???/JDLR when healthy (3-4 ip)
This is good for a few reasons. Rogers has been more effective as a reliver but we can maximize his innings. It leaves the perfect setup for JDLR to come back and not have to push his starts to 6-7 innings right off the bat. Nicasio as well. Hammel has had issues when going past 5 innings and Pom and White are still green. Thoughts?
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by Johnny Tits on Jan 11, 2012 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
I'm hoping Chacin can go past 4-5 IP this year
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by purplesocks on Jan 11, 2012 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
right, but does he have to?
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by Johnny Tits on Jan 11, 2012 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
if he wants to get those contract important Pitcher Wins he does
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by purplesocks on Jan 11, 2012 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
true.
Just a guess…how many wins does he get this season?
I say 8.
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by Johnny Tits on Jan 11, 2012 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
most certainly
I think ZiPS had him at 11 or 12, and projection systems don’t deviate from average on Ws often
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 4:18 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
It's an interesting idea
but what happens when Chacin is on a roll? Does Rogers come in anyway? Does he bump the rest of the B rotation back a day? Does he not pitch again until the next 1 day, except in the event of extra innings?
strict rotation
season long plan. In my opinion it will play out better over an entire season than getting a handful of really great outings mixed in with some blow ups. Its a more consistent approach tailored to our youthful rotations.
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by Johnny Tits on Jan 11, 2012 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
That's why
I’d like to see it be more of a free-flowing thing – keep lots of starters on the roster, and then your few really good bullpen guys (Lindstrom, Brothers, Betancourt) around for the high leverage situations
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
I like that idea - lots of mid range talented pitchers who can act as long men,
spot starters, or situational relievers. The long man part of that is the key.
There’ll be too many times when someone is on a roll, then a fresh pitcher comes in and blows a lead, for a rigid structure to be effective. Or, even if that breaks even over a season, the press scrutiny every time a lead was blown would be too great.
press scrutiny?
Hah!!!
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by Johnny Tits on Jan 11, 2012 10:47 AM MST up reply actions
Yup - for example, if Chacin is looking like crap
After 3 innings, give Chatwood a shot at mopping up. You save Chacin’s arm AND give your fringe arms some low-pressure MLB experience.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
I think it'd be very cool
If we shook things up like this – it wouldn’t even necessarily have to have so much structure. I really like the idea of reserving a few bullpen spots for some of our young arms and having them go 3, 4, 5 innings if a game goes south. The most important part of that being you can just slide JDLR in without expecting him to make full starts every time.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
We are talking about Tracy here
I’m sure if he ever did something like this it would change every week.
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by Johnny Tits on Jan 11, 2012 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
There are so many moving parts
That it would HAVE to change every week, if not every day. It’s perfect for tinker Tracy, and I actually don’t think it’s the worst idea in the world.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
A car enigine has lots of moving parts also.
It has to be a well oiled machine and with JT as manager. The oil pump don’t work as well.
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by Roxman4ever on Jan 11, 2012 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
that could be revolutionary
however, it would also condition arms to only throw like 80 pitches at most, if 5 innings is the most to be expected from anyone… intriguing though, to say the least
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I Think it means as some of the opening day guys wear down; we will see more of the "B" team starters in the second half like normal.
You could see Pom for example Be sat down for Bettis. We could see JDLR Pick up some of the slack; but I for one don’t expect him to be super consistant or competitive at first.
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He went 2-1 in 7 starts (42.1 IP), with 6.4 k/9 and 2.8 bb/9. Just with more innings.
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This is why I'm still thinking Pom starts out in AA so they can limit his innings
Pomeranz threw only 119 innings in his first professional season over 4 levels — I doubt that the Rockies push him too far past that level this year.
Otherwise what if hes pitching terrifically? Are they really going to sit him down mid-season?
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I could see him go up to about 150
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 11, 2012 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
And also why I don't think they'll have White "waiting in the wings".
He’ll be in the rrotation OD.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 11, 2012 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
Without a viable lefty for the rotation
I think Pomeranz starts in the rotation. But he could be moved over to the pen later in the season if IP concerns arise.
Except him starting in AA doesn’t really limit his innings. If he’s going to pitch awesome I’d rather it be at the ML level I guess. That being said, if he starts in AA for some extra seasoning I think it makes sense. There’s also the possibility of having him in the bullpen to start the year or something…
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it can
since they can manipulate rostera easier with phantom dl and inactive lists, it is easier to have tag team starts or designed longer bullpen nights, or start him once per seven starts
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 11:39 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
sounds like the strasburg discussions from his rookie year
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TB thought about Seth Smith only to move him to Cincy?
I wasn’t around this weekend so not sure if this was posted and discussed already.
Buster Olney of ESPN.com reports that earlier this winter the Rays considered trading for outfielder Seth Smith and then flipping him to the Reds in exchange for catcher Ryan Hanigan.
It would make sense, as the Reds are looking for outfield help and the Rays need a solution at catcher. It’s not clear at this point, though, if the moves could still possibly go down or if discussions took place but didn’t really go anywhere. If the Reds did move Hanigan, they could install Devin Mesoraco as their everyday catcher.
I’d have just traded Smith directly to Cincy for Hannigan and then passed on Hernandez., opening up some money for a SP.
There are reasons they wanted Hernandez, though.
Big difference.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 11, 2012 10:45 AM MST up reply actions
His contact skills and mostly the fact he can help Rosario
Language and the fact he’s a veteran.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 11, 2012 10:48 AM MST up reply actions
This,
except the language part.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
He's also a guy who knows his role.
His role is to bridge the team to the catcher of the future. He understands that he isn’t here to compete with or bury Rosario. This is similar to what they are hoping to do with Blake and Arenado too.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
DOD said it about both.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
Blake and Hernandez.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
just out of curiosity
has it been reported anywhere that he “knows his role” or has otherwise acknowledged it?
He hasn't.
But these were the conversations that they had with the players while signing them. I suppose they could have just gone along with it and really turn into antagonists, but I’m being optimistic.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
Do you have a link to the DOD interview?
Or was it on a season ticket holder conference call type thing?
The only reason I have to believe his instinct wouldn’t be to maximize his potential next contract is that he’ll be 37 at the end of this one. I suppose, though, that he could go the AL and prolong his career. Just because someone says they’re a team player when they’re signing a contract doesn’t mean it’ll hold true for the life of it.
That is my concern
Hopefully PCW is right, but I don’t plan to hold my breath on the notion that pro athletes are committed to helping others take their jobs.
It's not "their" job
if you make it clear to them that it isn’t their job from the outset. DOD seems to be saying that this was made clear to both players upon their signing.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
Right.
This was said about Blake on Monday on KOA by DOD. It was said about Hernandez in the STH.
http://www.purplerow.com/2011/12/14/2637103/fanforum-with-dick-monfort-and-dod
If you want you can believe that it’s all crap. I’d like to be optimistic. I think both players fit very well into the role. Hernandez hasn’t had over 352 PAs int eh last three seasons, and not all of them were at C. Blake is 37 and on his last run here.
I think the FO knows how to do this. They’ve been doing it with Giambi for a few years now.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
Giambi is a different beast than RH and CB
I don’t disagree that they know what they’re doing with the latter two. I like that CB can be sent packing for no cost if he’s not healthy, and I like that RH can pick up a few ABs at 1B as well as catcher.
As for the team player bit, I’m just trying to be realistic.
He is a different beast,
but he’s an example of a player taking a role that was given to him and enjoying it. It seemed like the idea is that CB and RH are going to fight for 500 PAs because they are athletes and that’s what athletes do. I don’t think that is necessarily the case, and JG is an example of that.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
CB and RH also aren't coming off steroid allegations
so, there’s that. At least in 2009-2010, Giambi didn’t have a lot of options.
It is true that he seems to have grown to enjoy his role here. Although it could just be mutually beneficial more than pure joy as he gets to rehab his image and aim for a coaching or media job in a couple of years. Certainly a pessimistic view, but a possibility.
He's also caught a lot of young pitchers in his career and can probably help mentor the staff.
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I guess I didn't want to say the Latin part
but I always thought that would have been helpful for Ubaldo. Does anyone recall if one of Torrealba or Iannetta caught him more than the other in 2009?
Checked Baseball-Reference
Iannetta – 18, Torrealba – 11, Phillips – 4
As you might expect, CDI was the main guy early in the season, while Torrealba caught all of Jimenez’s last 5 starts.
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Not a bad thing if he felt more comfortable with Yorvit. He was a young kid coming into fame; it’s gotta be an uncomfortable time on some levels.
Finally,
he brings CDI-like OBP while hitting for a higher average and higher SLG. He is what they wanted CDI to be in some ways.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
I also think he'll save enough pitches to shorten some innings and marginally lower some pitch counts.
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He has a career .330 OBP
CDI has a career .357 OBP, and without the lost season of 2010, it’s .363. That’s a pretty significant difference. Also, Hernandez is much more likely to lose his OBP because of his age and mode of getting on base (contact).
When the bat slows down and contact goes away (not saying this will happen), the 7.9% BB rate isn’t going to be enough to hold up the .330 OBP.
I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with the Hernandez signing, because it was clearly time for CDI to go, but he’s inferior in some significant ways, including OBP.
They are valuable pieces in two different ways
Hernandez is a piece that gels more with the front office’s current vision for the roster.
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Right, I'm just pointing out that OBP is not a way in which Hernandez is similar to or better than CDI.
And that relying on an older player to contribute average is a risky proposition.
You're using career numbers with a guy who has over three times as many PAs.
Looking at the last three years, which is what is typically used for projections, Hernandez is .347 and CDI is .344 in OBP.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 11:19 AM MST up reply actions
True, although including the anamolous 2010 for CDI muddles it a bit.
But if you do use the three year measure, CDI exceeds RH’s SLG: .423 to .413, which undermines one of the above points.
But not the main point,
Hernandez is, in some ways, what the FO wanted CDI to be. Unfortunately, Hernandez is going to decline, but I think they felt that CDI was never going to get there anyway. Plus, they have a new toy in Rosario,
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
The point is understood, and I agree with your interpretation of the FO's actions
It just wasn’t an accurate comparison of skills.
I think these differences are marginal enough to be a non factor OPS wise
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Evan as his contact skills decline Hernandez is more likely to make contact as the situation dictates than CDI.
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That's fair. CDI is not a contact guy.
Not disagreeing that it was time for him to move on, and that clearly the FO didn’t like his skill set.
It's not fair to assume he'll OBP like CDI either. Their skill sets are different.
Hernadez has better coverage is all I’m saying. CDI’s lack of coverage in 2010 was a big issue.
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And to give credit wher it's due; Lansford made a big improvement in CDI's coverage.
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A little OT
From the CDI talk and it’s a moot point now that he has been traded, but was Lansford’s effect on Stewart’s performance ever questioned?
by MileHighHawkeye on Jan 11, 2012 11:41 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
no, I think Stewart generally gets 110% of the blame there
cdi and smith improved, but the best teacher doesn’t always translate to success if the student isn’t on the same page.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 11:46 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I think Stewart's failure was on Stewart.
CDI Showed he could constructively adjust to an extent . Stweart never did. I’m not saying he did not try but did not know how. I don’t think anyone in the orginization was more frustrated with Stewart than Baylor was before his departure.
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Maybe Jarmillo can reach him
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Hannigan is an even better career OBP machine
Though never been a full timer to know just how well that would convert with more playing time.
I certainly understand going Hernandez if Smith can be used for a valuable SP or in a package for Prado. And the Rockies are entitled to their choice, and I really don’t think going Hernandez over Hanigan is really that big a deal, but I would personally choose Hanigan if the choice were mine.
A lot of the reason no one pitched 200 innings last year was injuries, not youth
With Ubaldo, Cook, JDLR, and Nicasio all missing significant time last season, there’s really no surprise no one got to the 200-inning mark. Except for possibly JDLR, none of those injuries was pitching-fatigue-related.
Bottom line is we have a lot of potential, but it’s all unproven. Did the FO do a better job this time evaluating potential than in recent years or not is the question. I just don’t think the 200-innings stat from last year is relevant.
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Hammel being the nominal fifth starter at the start of last year was probably not expected to hit two hundred last year.
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his been 170 each of the past 3 years
a little batted ball luck here and there and he could make 200
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The point was that the Rockies don't have ANYBODY on their roster who has EVER thrown for 200 innings in a season before.
Very young starters are more likely to have their innings limited, etc.
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sure
you choose the first year in the past five I won’t be there
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 11:46 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Hey!
I won’t be there either! You want to not be there at the same time?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 11, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
We could be sampling beer instead?
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Not necessarily mutually exclusive.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 11, 2012 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
But a fun prospect none the less
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Curses.
Well, we can always meet up for a regular game.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 11, 2012 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
When are you going?
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by Charlie77 on Jan 11, 2012 1:04 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
3/24 - 3/28
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 11, 2012 1:05 PM MST up reply actions
That's about the same time I'll be there.
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by Charlie77 on Jan 11, 2012 1:09 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I would have been there earlier anyway
by mid March, many prospects get sent to minor league camp. i like watching the young guys get game reps
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 1:10 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I like watching the minor league games.
one can watch three games at once for free!
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by Charlie77 on Jan 11, 2012 1:12 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Im only 6 hours from there so I may be able to drop in sometime this spring.
38 today, 37 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Plus, its 10 days until I go to Las Vegas to bowl in a professional tournament.
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by Roxman4ever on Jan 11, 2012 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
Well I'm only 5 hours 51 minutes away!
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Gee; maybe that's close enough to pick me up on the way? :-)
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Are you in San Diego or Arizona?
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38 today, 37 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Plus, its 10 days until I go to Las Vegas to bowl in a professional tournament.
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by Roxman4ever on Jan 11, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
I meant Foagie
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Just wondering.
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by Roxman4ever on Jan 11, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Another Smith trade possibility off the list
Rays are signing Luke Scott as DH …
pending a physical and a birth certificate.
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
by maris61 on Jan 11, 2012 12:05 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
One not forged in the dominican I take it?
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Apparently he’s quite fond of, and gets along very well with, his Dominican and other Latin teammates. I hadn’t seen that article, but MLBTR linked it in their story of the Scott signing. From her interview, I’m gathering that he would not get along well with Stewart.
as noted below, he and Willy Taveras were very good buddies
in the minors & Houston
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
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Scott actually speaks Spanish, which he learned playing with Willy T in the minor leagues & Houston.
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
Think the Rockies not adding a pitcher is smart right now
I think it would just be a waste to add an impact starter right now, because one guy probably isn’t going to get us into contention anyway with all of the question marks up and down the rotation anyway. The rox should use this season to figure out what we have in:
Nicasio, Chatwood, Rogers, Pomeranz, and White.
The only sure bet in my opinion is Chacin, but he’s still probably not going to be an ace at least this year. Hammel is effective, but only as a 4th or 5th starter and who knows how much time DLR is going to need to get back into a groove.
The Rockies might as well see what happens with the young guys in the rotation this season and go through the growing pains, and I don’t mean crush them all with a lot of innings. They should use the garbage heap of guys like Slowey and Schmidt. And then once they know what they need for 2013 or 2014, sign some one like a Kuroda or a Saunders to put them in contention. Someone like Chacin or Pomeranz better develop into an ace though because the one thing that will never happen is the rockies signing a legit FA ace.
Am I the only one
that sees (or imagines) some similarities between Hammel and Stewart? Just kind of seems like something’s missing with the mental approach, despite the undeniable talent. Not saying that their struggles don’t bother them – it just isn’t always obvious, at least to me.
Not really
Hammel owns up to his needing to focus more and needing to improve. I don’t recall ever really hearing that from Stewart in so many words.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 11, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
I am good with Hammel
He carries his load and works hard. Hopefully he will perform this entire season like he did at the end of 2011.
by Real Perspective on Jan 11, 2012 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
I don't see that
hammel is honest and candid in all his interviews. he seems to embrace failure and own it. Stewart seemed to project his failures on others and never seemed to say anything deep in interviews. both are laid back, but I get the impression Hammel is more in the Helton/Street mold than Stewart
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 12:57 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Also Hammel has been a Well above average major leaguer here something stewart never was
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Frank McCourt should sign Prince Fielder (ESPN Insiders). I would not enjoy seeing Prince Fielder at Coors 8-9 times a season… yuck yuck yuck. I also wonder how much playing in Dodger Stadium would hinder his HR numbers?
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Because he doesn’t have to Pay for him? Is that his reasoning?
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 11, 2012 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
The reasoning is that
It would be an “investment” for McCourt, and it would “throw gasoline” on to the “fire” in terms of heating up the billionaire bidding for the team. Olney thinks that signing Prince would make the Dodgers that much more valuable to a potential bidder.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
Isn't that the opposite of traditional thinking
which is: don’t line up a bunch of long-term obligations right before the team gets sold? Kemp is one thing, but given the variety of opinions on Fielder it may hinder bidding a bit.
It’d take a lot of money to fill out a roster that would have about $65-70M committed to Kemp, Lilly, Billingsley and Fielder in 2013.
Yes
I don’t think Buster had done his homework – he thinks that because the team’s only spending $90M right now, they’ve got room to make this happen. But the risk for taking on a long-term (longer than 5-6 years in my book) deal for Prince just doesn’t seem worth it, ESPECIALLY in the NL.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
Didn't Prince have a fight in the Dodger Stadium clubhouse?
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yeah and hes not allowed back
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 11, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
Heh....if only
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 12:43 PM MST reply actions
GWTDT?
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
Ah. I haven't see that.
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I just saw it this weekend.
Pretty good, follows the book pretty well. The intro is a little weird though.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 11, 2012 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
I've not read the books either.
Not particularly interested, but will probably check it out when it’s out on DVD
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The intro was SUPER weird
I really liked it a lot, better than the Swedish version. I’d give it a B+/A-
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 1:01 PM MST up reply actions
I haven't seen the Swedish version yet, but probably will.
Not a fan of subtitles though. I find them distracting.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
the first time I watched The Da Vinci Code had subtitles
in Hungarian. the second time was dubbed Hungarian. it was like watching an opera
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But totally agree on Social Network soundtrack
I find I listen to more soundtrack music than anything lately. Weird.
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Yeah I've got a whole bunch of sountrack stuff going on Spotify right now
It’s good stuff to work too – I get too easily distracted by catchy hooks or lyrics.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
My problem with soundtracks
is that I tend to recollect the scenes featuring the music and then I want to rewatch the film/tv show.
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Lol totally
Although in this case I had Social Network on in the background the other night while I goofed off on OOTP/the internet, and was reminded what a good soundtrack it was.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 1:02 PM MST up reply actions
I've been listening
to BSG, Doctor Who and TW soundtracks lately. I’m trying to put together a mix of those that appeal to me, and helps me with my pacing whilst walking. And I’m throwing in some other stuff too…
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I've got about a season and half of How I Met Your Mother
to finish, and then I’m going to take the plunge and watch BSG front to back… so excited!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
OHHHH I'm so excited for you!
It’s still my favorite show ever.
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BSG that is....lol not HIMYM
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Lol I'm watching HIMYM so that I can participate
in a conversation with any of my co-workers… it comes up about 25 times a day around here. I give it about a C+, although it has gotten a lot funnier as time has gone on.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
Not weird at all.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 11, 2012 1:03 PM MST up reply actions
The best movie soundtrack I own is
From the early 90s Win Wenders film, “Until the End of the World.”
A pretty good movie in its own right, but a great soundtrack. Lou Reed, Nick Cave, REM, Elvis Costello…
by Northsider1964 on Jan 11, 2012 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
The Wedding Singer has a good soundtrack.
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by Charlie77 on Jan 11, 2012 2:28 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Rushmore: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rushmore_(soundtrack)
All Wes Anderson movies really, though he doesn’t always get rights for all the songs on the soundtracks.
Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lock,_Stock_and_Two_Smoking_Barrels#Soundtrack
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 2:32 PM MST up reply actions
Lock Stock has a GREAT soundtrack
I’d throw Garden State in there as well.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 2:33 PM MST up reply actions
It's a good one.
LOOOOOOVE Natalie Portman in it. I thought 500 Days of Summer was the same way – really cute, fun female lead, good soundtrack.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 2:49 PM MST up reply actions
Sister Act - awesome soundtrack.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 2:57 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
:-)
I think an in person rendezvous for the enjoyment of beers might be warranted… too bad we live so far apart!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
isn't boulder like a half hour from windsor?
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I'm down in the Springs now
The only place I could find a big kid job for the time being :-/
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
45-1hr I would think
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I have a hard time disagreeing with this
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Beautiful Girls -
Another Natalie Portman move with a good soundtrack.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
Outstanding movie
But I must say it’s a little creepy to watch it now that Natalie Portman is all grown up and smokin’ hot. Yeesh, I feel like Jerry Lee Lewis watching it now.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 11, 2012 3:32 PM MST up reply actions
That's a great cover by EC.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
I should check this out…
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Also,
I’ve always had a dream to see the 280 minuted director’s cut of that movie.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
The Original Batman soundtrack by Prince
I’m also fond of the soundtrack to “Valley Girl”.
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If that's SF's season, this is the Rockies'
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lol the only good scene in that entire movie
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I just love the guy's acting.
And how close his face gets to the camera lol
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 1:25 PM MST up reply actions
Soo hilarious
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Overused PR meme is overused
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
Overused? Hardly
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twss
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by Charlie77 on Jan 11, 2012 2:06 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
does it get used a lot on here?
i only remember seeing it once before and its been a while
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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 2:00 PM MST up reply actions
It must have jumped the shark for you.
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by Thnikkaman on Jan 11, 2012 2:01 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Well played, good sir.
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My blerg
could be, but when i think overused PR meme that definitely is not up there in contention with others
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Are there really ANY overused PR memes?
I mean it’s Purple Row after all.
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That is all.
I used to overuse memes, and then I took an arrow...
… I can’t live with myself if I finish.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 11, 2012 2:10 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
You dawg
I heard you used to be an adventurer…
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by Thnikkaman on Jan 11, 2012 2:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
So we made your adventure adventurous.
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 11, 2012 4:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
So you could you can go on an adventure
While you’re on an adventure.
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Too bad he couldn't have done that when he hit for the cycle against us last year.
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Nobody in the ballpark
even realized he did except Andrew Martin and myself (some attentive Giants fans on the 3B side did but they don’t count)
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I wasn't there. Watching on TV. I knew.
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Against our giant hatred
we stood up and clapped. It’s not often you get to see that live (even if it does cause the best OF on the team to go out with a wrist injury again)
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Look how wrong you are...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Jan 11, 2012 3:23 PM MST up reply actions
^4
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 11, 2012 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
There was a time when it was getting posted every other day. But that was at the beginning of the season.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 2:07 PM MST up reply actions
You’re stealing the material that I stole.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 2:06 PM MST up reply actions
Grant is just too funny. I wish he was a Rockies fan
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Grant plus the Andrews would probably make Purple Row explode
I’m with you.
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My blerg
I think this comment could be translated as:
“If the Rockies got Robinson Cano, their second base position (combined with Jonny Herrera and Chris Nelson) could hit 35 homers!”
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 2:55 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Meh.
I don’t really like his stuff. I’ve gone into this. You guys shouldn’t shortchange yourselves.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
I can appreciate his stuff not being to everyone's tastes
same with Jeff Sullivan. I just appreciate the fusion of a bit of humor or irony with actual insight, as most writing out there is lacking one, if not both
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 3:13 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
This staff
has a slight deficiency in the humor department. But everything you guys (and RG) do is solid.
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There is no deficiency in this staff..
that’s what the pills are for.
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by Charlie77 on Jan 11, 2012 8:23 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I love both the Andrews but yeah Grant is amazing
his choose your own ending piece was pure genius
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If Nolan Arenado hits 20 HR’s and 80 RBI’s for the Rockies in ’12, Do you think the Rockies will win the West? Factoring in expected production from the rest of the team. Is that enough to cover up our pitching flaws?
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Considering
he’s a long shot to play for the whole season, I’d be incredibly pleased with that production. If Nicasio and JDLR can come back with guns blazing, I think we’d be pretty hard to beat in a mediocre division.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
Is the division really mediocre?
Padres and DBacks look pretty good, and it’s not like either of LA or SF are Royals-esque. It’s not AL East, but it’s definitely better than the NL and AL Central, and possibly better than the NL East.
I'd say it's slightly above average
The West certainly doesn’t have a Phillies-type powerhouse, but there really aren’t any truly weak teams, either. The Padres, basically the consensus worst team in the division, have a pretty well stocked farm system and I feel like they could easily surprise in 2012 with a big rookie season from Alonso and a bounceback year from Volquez. The acquisition of Quentin and Maybin’s breakout also leaves their lineup looking way better than it has in the past.
This is more what I mean
I don’t think there’s any dominant team – it’s a very even division right now. I agree that the Padres are all the sudden looking very good compared to their teams in the past. I think the D-Backs rode some injury luck and career years to the playoffs last year. They’re still good, but I doubt they’ll perform as well as they did last year.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 1:52 PM MST up reply actions
haha I just happened to post below on why I think the Diamondbacks win the division...
There definitely was some luck involved, and it’s hard to see Collmenter repeating his 2011, but they’re really the only team in the West without any significant question marks about the team as it is put together now.
I think it's till to early to call
But right NOW, yes, the D-Backs are slight favorites from my perspective. If a few of these things happen:
-Nicasio hits the ground running in ST
-JDLR starts contributing in a positive manner when he returns
-Dexter tears it up a la 2nd half 2011
-Arenado is able to make contributions at the major league level
then the Rockies get a slight edge. The Dodgers, Padres and Giants could all play spoilers (in that order).
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
Padres.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
ts; du
Too short; didn’t understand
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 2:10 PM MST up reply actions
Padres FTW
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
Oh
Gotcha. They’re the only non-Rockies team that I can get behind winning the NL West.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 2:19 PM MST up reply actions
I think you also need to add in
strong rookie performances from Pomeranz/White/Chatwood/whoever. Assuming Dex tears it up for all of 2012, which actually is pretty reasonable, our lineup is slightly better than theirs, 1-8. However, our 2/3/4 starters can’t really hope to compete with their respective 2/3/4’s of Cahill/Hudson/Collmenter right now.
Yes
I did forget about the #occupytheyoungarms movement… that could break very very very well for this team
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
I just think too many different elements have to break right
for the Rockies to win the division. From a fan perspective, I’ll definitely be optimistic going into the season, since it’s easy to be youth in general, but realistically, it’s going to be a huge challenge.
With Prado,
and a second-half Fowler all year, we win the division.
But it looks like we aren’t getting Prado.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
I’m not sure about that. It definitely helps us but our pitching is going to be a complete mystery…
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That lineup,
and our bullpen, make up for any issues with our starting pitching.
Fowler
Prado
Cargo
Tulo
Cuddyer
Helton
Hernandez
Blake
is crazy good.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, that is pretty insane
But as it stands right now, we still only have one starter that we’re absolutely sure can provide above average production in Chacin. There are question marks surrounding everyone else.
Pomeranz is in that category
He’s not just any good prospect. He’s a polished gem. I’d be genuinely surprised if he’s not very good this year.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 11, 2012 10:14 PM MST up reply actions
I like what the kid can do
but I’m not 100% sold he’s completely polished yet. I also didn’t get to see him in his peak (after a long layoff and an appendectomy).
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If you call the 5 major factors (in order of importance):
1) Young Armz
2) Fowler
3) Nicasio
4) JDLR
5) Arenado
I’d say 2 of them have to break our way for us to have a realistic shot at winning the West. Add that to Petro’s comment that our Bullpen is solid.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
I dunno about that
Cahill’s a big question mark outside of the Colliseum — he’s been really bad on the road lately. Collmenter to my mind is a flukey, gimmick pitcher that the league is going to catch up with this year. Hudson is a stud, though. I actually think he’ll be their ace this year.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 11, 2012 10:12 PM MST up reply actions
30 and 100 would be better.
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With all due respect, obviously...
But any Rockies fan would take 20 and 80 considering you’re talking about a 21 year old who, while immensely talented, has yet to play above Advanced A ball (unless you want to count the AFL as AA exposure)
52 and 178 would be better
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 1:55 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
1,400 and 12 thousand million would be better!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
Limit of x->0 (1/x) and limit of x->0 (1/x^10) then
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by Thnikkaman on Jan 11, 2012 2:02 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes I have trouble with 1+1....What is that?
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Basic calculus.
The The first Limit says that as x gets really small the value of 1/x gets bigger. So the answer to the first limit is infinity. The second one is just that it gets to infinity faster.
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I see.
Didn’t even pass Algebra. So, when it comes to that kind of stuff. Im dumber than a monkey doing a math problem.
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No worries
I was expecting to have to explain it.
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yes
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That will be probably be his payday someday.
Too bad we won’t pay it.
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yeah, he will obviously follow the same path as Helton, Tulo and Cargo and skip town for his payday
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 2:09 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Jury still out on whether Cargo re-ups in 2017
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He better
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we are years away from knowing if we would even want him to
we might have some awesome young prospect banging down the door. you don’t want to block Daquan Fassbender in 2018, do you?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 2:32 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Haven't you paid attention to the AFL?
We know everything we need to about Nolan!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 2:33 PM MST up reply actions
I would be thrilled with that
But I still wouldn’t see the Rockies winning the division.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 11, 2012 1:43 PM MST up reply actions
No faith? If they dont win the division, then they are going to be close.
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I took it as Yes or No question
Are the Rockies a better team if Arenado has a breakout season? – of course they are. But I don’t think it would win them a flag.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 11, 2012 1:55 PM MST up reply actions
Eh, I still think the Diamondbacks run away with the division
They had no problems scoring runs last year, and Justin Upton’s only going to get better. I’m not sure what to make of Aaron Hill — he’s been pretty up and down over the past three years, but he really raked with Arizona. Paul Goldschmidt is also an upgrade for them at 1B and looks legit. Add that to the acquisition of Cahill and their possession of three of the top pitching prospects in the game, and they’ll be difficult to beat.
then again, they had career years from Roberts, Montero, Parra, Kennedy, and Hudson
and something magical happened with Hill. they seem very Giants10like in that regard
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"Giants10like"
Best new word of the off-season. I endorse its use and abuse!
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I don’t necessarily think Montero’s year was a breakout. He posted a pretty similar slashline in 2009, and has consistently been one of the better hitting catchers in the NL, though it’s true that his offensive improvement from 2010 to 2011 alone probably added like 2-3 wins to the Dbacks season.
Hudson and Kennedy both have great prospect pedigrees, and both have posted two straight 2+ bWAR seasons. I think it’s fair to expect similar performances from them in 2012.
Parra’s still pretty young and also was once a Top 100 prospect; it wouldn’t be totally shocking to see him replicate his 2011. Can’t disagree with you on Roberts, though.
Where is Parra going to find the PA?
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breakout is different than career year
not all are obvious regression candidates, but together, I think overall regression is inevitable.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 2:29 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, I have to agree with that for that group of players
I find it very likely that Kennedy and Hudson have at least one more season like their 2011’s in their careers, but in retrospect, it’s definitely hard to see those position players repeating.
I like Montero
I think last season was his break out season and maybe not his career best season. I think they have themselves a mighty fine catcher there.
Montero is amazing
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Who do you think will have a better season in the majors..
Arenado or Goldschmidt?
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by Charlie77 on Jan 11, 2012 2:11 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Goldschmidt, easily.
.280/20/80 is an optimistic projection for Arenado. Goldschmidt could hit 30 dingers with a decent overall profile.
Arenado, but mostly based on age and position.
Goldschmidt is a pretty good talent, but he’ll be 25 at the end of the season and isn’t going to play anywhere but first. Arenado will get his start at 21 or 22.
I don't see Goldy hitting .280 this year.
He’s probably closer to .256/25/80. Arenado has the swing of a +.300 hitter though.
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by Charlie77 on Jan 11, 2012 2:27 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
And if he can develop ML power? Hoo boy.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
I think odds are in favor of him developing in to Jeff Cirrillo 2.0 here
hopefully with the road contact problems
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Goldy has a nice walk rate though, and I think the power and on base skills will be there next year
Arenado could probably show some of that right away, but not as much as Goldschmidt.
Goldschmidt
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 11, 2012 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
for 2012? Goldy for beyond give me the low K high contact guy at the tougher postion to fill
Goldschmidt had a 161Ks in AA and while he is probably going to be decent to good he will be 25 this year so he is a bit like Tim Wheeler with more patience and no D value
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Ryan Howard
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Brad Emaus is gone to Boston for a PTBNL
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This took me an embarrassingly long time to understand
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My blerg
Seems stupid an unproven 2B with upside at the most glaring hole we have
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the PTBNL could be Pedroia…
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That would be nice
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Franklin morales
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 2:33 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I would be in favor of that and I would put FrankiMo right into the rotation
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 11, 2012 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
yup
stretch him out in-season, just like the royals did with paulino
arenado: it's Rockie for future
2B is a glaring hole
But we had about 10 prospects to fill it. Now we’ve got one less.
It was getting close to everyone getting 2 games of PT in Spring Training to
prove they can handle the position.
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
maybe but it would have been nice tohold him untill then
with guys like Field, Herrera, Wood and Gomez getting SS time and DJLMH, Wood, Nelson and he getting 3B time as well.
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The PTBNL will be a guy named Cash Considerations.
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The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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Colorado State football has hired Kyle Parker's college football offensive coordinator
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 2:41 PM MST via Android app reply actions
I'm so confused by this right now...
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just say you’re drunk.
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i'm sensing a meme
arenado: it's Rockie for future
give it like an hour
and we’ll talk
arenado: it's Rockie for future
thank you.
it took me a few football reads to get what he football was football saying.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 11, 2012 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
football in the groin!
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 11, 2012 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
Oh really? My nephew used to work there!
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Oh yeah? What did he do?
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 11, 2012 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
Well, he started off as a guy who got punched in the wiener and
eventually he worked his way up to the guy who punches other guys in the wiener.
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Right on
right on.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 11, 2012 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
Not sure
why this video jumped to mind
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That Spanish news chick is hot.
Can’t understand a word she is saying but who cares?!
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we got Clemson's O coordinator?
F yeah
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You got Alabama's O coordinator
Who was at Clemson before Bama
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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Dang i knew we had grabbed McElwain
I had hoped he had added Chad Morris to run the O I thought “sweet big time SEC talent recruiting here we go”
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 3:15 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Damn my friend is a Clemson honk how did I miss that?
they looked good this year
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OT: ARGHH*&^%$#@#$%^&**&^%$#@@#$%^&
at Merrill Lynch……
okay rant over.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
Merrill Lynch is a financial entity
Merril Hoge has no respect for Tebow
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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I dont like anyone on ESPN anymore.
frankly, I dont even watch football anymore.
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olney's about all that's remotely worthwhile as a regular
law and goldstein are okay contributors too
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Petro still could be right.
What did Merrill Lynch do?
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Have awful people on the phone
that won’t answer questions directly and talk 80 million miles per hour. So annoyed.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
Or Intrest, adjustments for inflation, etc...
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Well that depends
He could be storing it under an air mattress.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 3:44 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Bahahahah WELL PLAYED!!!!
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 3:32 PM MST up reply actions
You suck McBaine!
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It was good too
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by Charlie77 on Jan 11, 2012 4:05 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
By the way
Don’t try to argue why Larry Walker should be in the HOF with a Dodgers fan.
Immediately they pull the LolCOORZ card.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 11, 2012 3:38 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
OK. these are 2 possible answers
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9292163
http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10490435
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What is the moon?
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Do you think Valor has called him yet?
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Wouldn't surprise me
Although apparently they’re in trouble because of some shady recruiting… it’ll be interesting to see how it all shakes up
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
Well if Valor recruits
Then Logan will certainly want no part of that! :)
by Northsider1964 on Jan 11, 2012 5:33 PM MST up reply actions
Well I'm just saying there might be sanctions leveled against them
yadda yadda, something might get in the way that makes it difficult to hire him
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 7:44 PM MST up reply actions
Wherever he goes, he's going to win another state title...
That guy is a legend. Just look at the reactions in the article of some of the graduating top players, like Miles, Henington. Huge mistake for them.
I think there was a lot of pressure
For the football coach to be a faculty member. So they’ll find a solid football coach and make him a P.E. teacher – no way you could do that with Dave Logan.,
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 7:45 PM MST up reply actions
Sure.
But my sense growing up in the Denver Metro area was that football transcended just about everything else at Mullen, and as the head of a very successful program there, Logan commanded incredible respect from students and parents. I can’t imagine that it’ll go over well with them.
Well since he won't go anywhere where he can't win a state title
I suspect you’re right.
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Jan 11, 2012 9:20 PM MST up reply actions
a “school”
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 5:00 PM MST up reply actions
Suuuper super super nice (expensive)
Private Christian school in Highlands Ranch that has an incredible football program. They played my alma mater this year and it was literally like watching the Monstars play the Looney Tunes, it was just outrageous.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 7:45 PM MST up reply actions
Hey, where did you go?
I’m a Heritage alum, we were drubbed by them this year as well
My alma mater lost in the semis this year.
My freshman year in HS they lost in the state finals by 1 point in a blizzard. It was miserable.
Like $15,000-20,000 a year tuition isn’t it?
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 12, 2012 7:17 AM MST up reply actions
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So,
$250,000 in Babe Ruth’s time is about $3.25 million today. I could probably give up women for a tax free $3.25 million.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 6:03 PM MST up reply actions
cash in my hand?
that would be quite the decision to make…
arenado: it's Rockie for future
I'm married,
so I’ve kind of already given up women anyway. Easier decision for me.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
Give up women forever for 3.25 million?
Idk… In a related query, my friend on facebook posed the question:
“Throw an 80 yard overtime TD pass in the playoffs, or have sex?”
I honestly can’t choose an answer.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 7:47 PM MST up reply actions
I'm old. I've got kids already.
I could do it. I mean, you could live off the interest of $3.25 million.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 7:54 PM MST up reply actions
Oh I know you could.
I know I could. It’s just whether I’d want to. Also, I’ve met you. You aren’t OLD!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 11, 2012 7:56 PM MST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyTXWaQkCuE&feature=related
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 11, 2012 8:04 PM MST up reply actions
Easy for me.
I’ve already done this, for free.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 11, 2012 8:37 PM MST up reply actions
Add another zero or two
And I’d think about it.
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I would rather be poor and poxed.
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by Charlie77 on Jan 11, 2012 8:26 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Screw you Rockies...I'd rather be a college QB than a professional baseball player
Wisconsin QB Russell Wilson has notified the Colorado Rockies that he will pursue an NFL, not baseball career.
Can't blame him
Barkley’s staying at USC. Landry Jones is staying at Oklahoma. Brandon Weedon is 47 years old. Nick Foles, well, just sucks.
So once Luck and Robert Griffin III are gone, someone’s going to take Russell Wilson fairly high. Weak QB draft after the top two.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 11, 2012 6:47 PM MST up reply actions
ahem
kellen moore
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Oh yeah, Wilson may not be #3
But he’s going to go a lot higher than most thought a couple of months ago. I like Moore, he’s a good player. But I don’t think he’ll wow the QB scouting geeks at the combine, so it’s hard to say where he will be drafted.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 11, 2012 6:54 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe the Chiefs will get him after Ricky Stanzi flames out.
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Best job in football
Still get to wear a baseball cap, seldom have to play, and the fans love you.
It’s almost a Giambi-esque existence.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 11, 2012 7:19 PM MST up reply actions
With smaller biceps
and less Justin Beiber
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