Friday Rockpile: Blackmon Is Smart, Kyle Parker, Fan Fest
by Andrew Martin on Jan 13, 2012 7:30 AM MST
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PrintRockies' Blackmon turns from books back to big league career - The Denver Post
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While the Rockies floundered through the months of August and September, Charles Blackmon spent the dog days back at his alma mater.
Oh, did I say alma mater? I'm sorry, that would imply that he had graduated from Georgia Tech. Well, that's just not true, and while the Rockies fell down the seemingly endless staircase of failure and disappointment, Blackmon went and earned himself 16 credit hours and finished that degree in dentistry.
What, he didn't major in dentistry? Man, that's disappointing.
Well, he did graduate from Georgia Tech (turns out in the field of business administration and finance), and part of that graduation process is to punch an engineer in the stomach and say something to the effect of "GOLDEN Tech? I bet I can slide the word Georgia right in there and people will think it was our fight song all along!" and then lead the crowd in a rousing 5 verse round of "The Mining Engineer".
Really, Blackmon will be a welcome sight back in Coors Field this spring. Blackmon fits more of the mold that the Rockies are looking at of a hard-working, hustling player who doesn't strike out very often and doesn't tweet about video games. He's wacky enough to fill the Ryan Spilborghs jokester role, his nose makes him a perfect Brad Hawpe replacement, and his number 8 should sate people who just can't handle not having Yorvit Torrealba on this team.
Kyle Parker Debut A Mixed Bag For Rockies | FanGraphs Baseball
Kyle Parker fans should take a look at this rundown from Mike Newman on Fangraphs of Parker's 2011 campaign in Asheville. Quick summary:
Given his being age appropriate for the level, if not a touch long in the tooth, Parker’s triple slash line of .285/.367/.483 appears better on paper than in practice as his 132/48 strikeout-to-walk ratio and .353 BABIP point to a prospect whose success has a bit of a "Smoke and Mirrors" feel.
Don't take that as a complete indictment, as Newman cites Parker's dual-sport background as a potential hindrance in his mechanical development along with some potential hope. Parker has a lot of work to do to stand up to that 1st round pedigree.
We might have covered this already, but if you aren't going to this, well, change your mind. You might be thinking "Oh, but Andrew, I'm not a season ticket or mini plan holder! I cannot go!" WELL YOU JUST HOLD YOUR SILLY HORSES - there's now a SECOND DAY on January 22nd, open to the general public! YOU CAN GO TO FAN FEST EVEN WITHOUT SEASON TICKETS! HOLY SMOKES!
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Would be interesting to see...
the Attendance for the Sunday Fan Fest if somehow the Tebows win Saturday Night. If they do, the Rox would be idiotic not to show the Game on the Screens there at Coors.
I doubt they'd show a replay of a football game at a baseball fanfest
kind of goes against the intention of drumming up excitement about the baseball team
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 13, 2012 7:53 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Tebow plays 2B too.
He’ll be there.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 8:00 AM MST up reply actions
No, he's a lefty reliever
With subpar velocity, but excellent movement.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 13, 2012 8:05 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
he's fulfilling the market inefficiency of lefty knuckleballing closers
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 13, 2012 8:18 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I don't know
sometimes its like he actually runs on the mound to place the ball where he wants in the end strike zone
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 13, 2012 8:20 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Buster Posey would never try to block the plate from Tebow.
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Get well soon Juan.
Buster Posey shouldn’t try to block the plate while sitting on his knees
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 13, 2012 8:42 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Buster Posey shouldn’t
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 13, 2012 8:57 AM MST up reply actions
I'm aiming to get Posey changed up to
Poser
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“the man on his knees”
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 13, 2012 10:09 AM MST up reply actions
Busty Poser is too good a malapropism to ignore.
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by biondino on Jan 13, 2012 10:20 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Posey
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by Junction Rox on Jan 13, 2012 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
I'm highly considering going because of the Sunday event
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loved the EY for 2B war (maybe more like a squirmish)we had yesterday people
Lets keep up the hard work in here, finding the smallest things to quibble about keeps us sharp.
what do we follow up with….?
Tim Tebow would be a right fielder/1B, throws long well, lefty, slugger
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 13, 2012 8:40 AM MST up reply actions
#SoSpecial
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 13, 2012 8:56 AM MST up reply actions
Not sure, but his swing is very holey.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 13, 2012 9:01 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
He'd only have a .213 BA
But would lead the league in RBIs and Grand Slams every year.
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He’d totally hit .316.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 9:23 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
But only once. On March 16
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I missed the debate.
Do most people hate EY2? I think there’s still a chance that he could develop late. He’s always posted good OBP in the minors, with walk rates above 10% at almost every stop. If he ever develops his OBP skills at the major league level, I think he would provide value to a MLB club. Especially considering the Rockies’ hole of suck at second.
No.
I think most people give him too much credit for a guy whose career WAR is -0.8. You can go back an read yesterday’s RP.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 9:16 AM MST up reply actions
I think people expect way too much out of EY2 when he has only had 427 ABs.
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 13, 2012 9:44 AM MST up reply actions
I expect two things:
1) An SLG over .300
2) Competent fielding
If he can do those two things, let’s talk. Until then, he’s not a major league ballplayer. He turns 27 this season and has almost 3,000 professional ABs. I think an expectation that he can do more than walk and run fast is not way too much.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 10:09 AM MST up reply actions
I will say that I would not be bothered by having him as a backup.
But the discussion yesterday centered around him being are starting 2B and leadoff man. That was way too much.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 10:14 AM MST up reply actions
I don't know why SLG is important for a guy like EY.
An OBP over .340 seems more important to me. Competent fielding I’ll agree with, but some of the stats indicate he might be there now (SSS and all that). I’m not saying that I think he has demonstrated the ability to be a solid starter so far in his career; my argument is that he could yet become one.
its certainly less important, but it isn't unimportant
the leadoff hitter gets at bats with runners on first too, and he doesn’t actually steal second base every time he reaches first base, even when second base is empty.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 13, 2012 11:33 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Here's a though.
Here is a list of all qualified players from last year. Out of the 145, there are no players with an SLG under .300. There is only one with an SLG under .325. There are only two under .330.
An SLG of under .300 is not a stat for an MLB regular.
Change that to 400 PAs from qualified, you get only two players with an SLG lower than .300: Adam Dunn and Chris Getz.
That’s out of over 200 players.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 12:02 PM MST up reply actions
Fair enough, he should probably have a SLG greater than .300.
To the extent that both OBP and SLG are tied to AVG, his SLG will probably have to come up some for him to be valuable. I just don’t think his success as a major leaguer is tied to his ability to hit for power. Some doubles on balls down the line or in the gaps would be nice. If he can fashion himself a career as a Juan Pierre lite, the Rockies could use him at second base.
The other issue at 2B is that he’s a terrible fielder there. Yesterday someone gave an optimistic assessment that EY as starter for a whole season having 15 errors. I would think that he would at least make about 20 errors. That would make him the worst 2B in the majors by about five errors.
This goes back to the competent fielding issue. If you’re going to bring Juan Pierre-lite numbers with the bat, then you at least need to being average numbers with the glove, if not above average.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
In 2010 he put up average numbers at second.
He barely had any time there last year, and even in 2010 only logged ~250 innings. I agree that he would need to be at least near average over the course of a full season. Again, I’m not arguing that EY2 is the new Answer at second base, but that he isn’t too far from it and might still turn out to be valuable.
What I used to generate a possible full season stat line were his 2010 numbers.
In 2010 he fielded 100 balls. He had six errors on those 100 balls. Most starters field 500 balls in a season at 2B. Even with a 20% improvement over that performance, he’d still be making 24 errors. A 50% improvement would give him 15 errors. That’s not very promising.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
Errors aren't the best metric for fielding.
Not that any of the others are perfect, but they’re better than straight fielding percentage. He had a slightly above average campaign defensively in 2010; given the SSS I think we can say he was in the neighborhood of average.
Sorry.
His UZR is entirely based on his range which offsets his errors. His range is a factor of being fast, but his errors are due to his inability to properly field his position. With a greater sample size, his range is going to stay the same, but his propensity to make errors is going to increase.
He has above average ranged, but below average ability to field his position. This is demonstrated both through “sabre” stats and through observation of him at 2B.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
On top of this,
even if you want to take the stats as they are without reading into them, he is still an average glove at 2B. Considering his below average bat, why are we supporting EY at 2B instead of Herrera who has a better glove and similar OBP?
The only reason is because you value baserunning more than defense.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 2:56 PM MST up reply actions
At no point have I said that EY2 is the best second baseman available.
First, as deacs says, his propensity for errors won’t increase. The total number will, but if he saves a positive number of runs on a rate basis, the number of errors don’t matter. As far as observation goes, I think he is no longer abysmal and now is just slightly below average to average.
Herrera does not have similar OBP or BB%. He has better contact, but Young’s speed allows him to hit for a consistently higher BABIP.
Right now, I think their total value is probably similar, but I’d take Jonny’s defense over Young’s baserunning. However, I think that Young still has more potential. Herrera doesn’t have room to grow, while Young can still improve his on base results (his OBP has increased steadily in the majors). My point is that a second baseman who gets on about 35% of the time and has outstanding speed with average or slightly below defense has value to MLB teams. Young still has a chance to become that player.
Actually, they are similar in OBP.
Young OBP:
2009: .295
2010: .312
2011: .342
Career: .324
Herrera OBP:
2008: .277
2010: .352
2011: .313
Career: .325
And BB%:
Young BB%:
2009: 6.6
2010: 9.0
2011: 11.4
Career: 9.8
Herrera BB%:
2008: 6.1
2010: 9.7
2011: 8.8
Career: 8.9
This is with a relatively similar sample size. Herrera has 643 PAs. Young has 479 PAs.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 4:11 PM MST up reply actions
This being said,
I think we agree on the fact that neither is a great option at 2B. This is why I think it’s probably DJLM’s job to lose. He’s much younger and, if he can get somewhere close to his minor league numbers, has much more ability and upside.
I don’t dislike Young. He just hasn’t shown that he’s a MLB regular. I’d rather move on than give a guy turning 27 yet another shot.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
And, unfortunately,
the OF potential coming up behind him, and in front of him, is too good to give him too much of a shot there either.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 4:18 PM MST up reply actions
Jonny's 2010 was fueled by an unsustainable .330 BABIP.
He doesn’t have the speed or bat skills to support that kind of success. His OBP is likely to settle in around .310-.320. Young’s OBP has been increasing, and his MiLB numbers indicate he’s better at getting on base than Herrera (.388 vs .346).
I wouldn’t want to start Young instead of someone who can still be considered a prospect like DJLM (I don’t know much about him), but in what is likely to be a lost season, I would be interested to see what he can do if the other options don’t pan out. I actually think Herrera has more value on the bench due to his ability to play anywhere on the infield, but if the team is 15 games out on July 1 it would be more beneficial to see if EY2 can continue to grow.
Young’s OBP has been increasing
You could also argue that this makes him a prime candidate to regress this year, leaving the two of them, again, in relatively the same ballpark as far as BB% and OBP.
but if the team is 15 games out on July 1 it would be more beneficial to see if EY2 can continue to grow.
I guess I agree that putting EY in is a sign of failure by the Rockies. This really sums up my argument. EY is most likely not a starter in the MLB and most certainly not a starter on a good team.
Is there are chance that he could improve to the level of a starter? Yes. But that chance is rather slim. I’d like to see a similar case in which a 27 year-old improved that much in the way that EY needs to improve.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 4:39 PM MST up reply actions
Young's OBP has been increasing
but his BA hasn’t. Basically his increased OBP is coming from drawing more walks or other ways of getting on base. And if he’s as successful at stealing bases as some are counting on, but continues to struggle to hit the ball, I can see his walk % start to drop as teams start to just throw the ball over the plate and dare him to hit it.
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by Junction Rox on Jan 13, 2012 4:45 PM MST up reply actions
To be precise,
he needs to learn to hit major league pitching. He hasn’t shown that he can. His AVG, but especially his SLG is indicative of this. What he does is use his speed to get to first after putting the ball in play. He really can’t hit the ball well to get there easily though. That’s not a skill that players typically gain at 27. And the hands of time are coming to take away that speed each year.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 4:48 PM MST up reply actions
It's interesting to me that
even though our opinions on this aren’t all that different, we are still managing to find the small differences that do exist, magnify them and argue. I suspect that this aspect of human nature is what tends to polarize people and cause extremism.
. . .
On the actual topic of EY2, I think I agree with you for the most part. I still think there’s a market for a .350 OBP with speed. Hopefully DJLM and ultimately Ruttledge can finally give the Rockies some production at 2B.
No. This has been good. Remember that I’m not just discussing this with you, but sharing with others as well.
As I said, I definitely think we agree for the most part.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 5:44 PM MST up reply actions
Herrera’s 2011 BABIP was significantly lower than what his batted ball profile suggests would be a normal range.
His career BABIP should actually be right around the .330 mark you claim as unsustainable, based on his LD%.
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It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Also,
Herrera is only six months older than Young and has only about 800 more professional PAs.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 4:13 PM MST up reply actions
This is a bit nit picky
but the number of errors he commits might increase, though his propensity to commit errors shouldn’t. You’d expect repetition to increase his performance, however marginally. I’m basing this in part on your above comment about extrapolating his 2010 performance over a full season.
Still, I agree that he’s not a full time option. At best, it’d be lightning in a bottle for a little while (like Herrera).
I guess to nitpick
SLG is sort of power, but ISO (SLG-AVG) is really what describes power. no one is concerned about EY’s power when speaking of SLG really. its just that a SLG below .300 goes hand in hand with a poor batting average, and for a guy who doesn’t have power or walk, a low average is also unacceptable.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 13, 2012 4:12 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Right, I agree with this.
But OBP is heavily based on AVG also, and for a guy like EY2 that seems the more relevant skill.
it is
its just that a below .300 SLG makes all but a walk machine an irrelevant player. generally
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 13, 2012 4:48 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I think Junction Rox's comment above made a good point.
If a guy is really that bad at hitting, teams will challenge him in the middle of the plate more often and his BB% will go down. For that reason, SLG would be relevant even to a player like Young. I wonder how ISO correlates with BB%? I’ll bet there’s more of a relationship there than one would expect for two different types of skill.
Nice job working The Mining Engineer in there.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 13, 2012 9:46 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
...and now it's stuck in my head.
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 13, 2012 9:49 AM MST up reply actions
Got a link?
If AMart likes it, I got to give it a listen.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaeqNqQYH5U
6:28
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 10:21 AM MST up reply actions
It's actually set to a Gilbert and Sullivan tune partially.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 10:22 AM MST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdJg6Duzzf4
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
um, wow
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 13, 2012 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
This song was turned into
a popular song called Hail Hail the Gang’s All Here. Then your fight song picked that up.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 10:28 AM MST up reply actions
Ah, I see. Interesting.
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 13, 2012 10:29 AM MST up reply actions
Yep.
I’m pretty much a giant nerd too. Just a nerd of a different color.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
So wavelength.
Okay.
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I'm guessing that it was written around the time
that Hail Hail the Gang’s All Here was popular.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail,Hail,the_Gang%27s_All_Here
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 10:30 AM MST up reply actions
I'M SORRY I WAS EVER MAD AT YOU, ROCKIES! COME BACK TO ME! I LOVE YOU!!
by prettyinpurple on Jan 13, 2012 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
Is it to the tune of the Farmer in the Dell?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
no
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Too bad. I had this great verse about the nerd standing alone.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
The nerd stands alone
The nerd stands alone
Hi-ho the dairy-o
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Nope.
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The nerd stands alone
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 10:15 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Whoops.
The nerd stands alone
The nerd stands alone
00110
The nerd stands alone
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Aww......that is hilariously sad.
/FOREVER ALONE
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 13, 2012 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
the leading zeroes bother me...
Also, 6 doesn’t rhyme with alone!
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by DenverBears on Jan 13, 2012 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
google cedar ridge unaged whiskey
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by Thnikkaman on Jan 13, 2012 10:55 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
finally got around to it....
seems like fun—have you tried it? Is it any good?
*take
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 13, 2012 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
oops...
I guess I remembered it wrong.
In my defense, it has been 20 years.
At some point take and drink are the same thing
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e^iθ
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If Smith is traded, Blackmon may just become my de facto favorite player.
Not to be confused with Todd Helton, favorite player in perpetuity.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 13, 2012 10:02 AM MST reply actions
Casey Blake might be my favorite player
because if he plays well (say, OPS ~.800 and decent D), we got him at 38 for $2-3M.
The Dodgers got him at 34 for Carlos Santana and paid him an average of $5.75M per year.
Casey Blake’s beard might be my favorite player.
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The Toddfather's Goatee is sad.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 13, 2012 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
whilst at Cracker Barrel no less
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Todd Helton has a sad.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 13, 2012 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
I wouldn't know.
I dare you to tell that to the Toddfather to his goatee…..in the parking lot of Cracker Barrel.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 13, 2012 11:13 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Dang, I knew I was forgetting something.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 13, 2012 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
oh,
well if we’re assigning dollar values to favorite players, Helton is gonna take a hit. Because, you know, albatross.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 13, 2012 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
yep
albatross.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 13, 2012 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
What sort of numbers in the next two years do you think he needs for the HOF?
Combined 300 hits, 30 HR, and 46 doubles would be nice.
1 World series title. Thats it.
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by Roxman4ever on Jan 13, 2012 11:20 AM MST up reply actions
As much as it makes me sad
I think this is right. He needs to make a solid positive contribution in a season where the Rockies win the WS
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 13, 2012 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
If his back wasn't so bad.
I think he contributes every year no matter what his stats are. Now, here in the last 3 years. Its not what they used to be. I blame the humidor for that, but also the wear and tear that the game puts on a body.
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by Roxman4ever on Jan 13, 2012 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
you know, i am horrible at speculating numbers
I think it would have to be something pretty big. Like very big numbers along with Series MVP or something.
I just feel like he’s got a big uphill battle for the hall:
lolcoorz
injuries hurting production
and…don’t kill me because i’m not throwing this out because it’s what I think but I’m trying to think like the voters…..Anyone who’s production went down after steroids came to the forefront is going to be subject to a raised eyebrow.
Now, I think his case will be helped every year that Larry Walker gains ground. People will be forced to debate the merits of lolcoorz and the effect of the humidor. Sooner or later voters will have to put in a Rock. My personal gut feeling based on no numbers or science says that’s more likely Tulo than Helton.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 13, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
I have a sinking feeling that with the players on the ballot in the next three years Walker might have hit his ceiling of support already.
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by Jeff Aberle on Jan 14, 2012 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
those numbers would help, but I’d imagine 2500 hits, 1400 runs and rbis, a WS ring, and the hope that the BBWAA are more sophisticated regarding park factors and WAR in 2019…
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I think the key number is 600 doubles
Everyone at or above that number is in, will be in (Biggio, Bonds) or should objectively be in (Bonds, Rose).
Some of those names he has passed already and still got 2 years to go?
He should be in the hall no matter where the hell he played at. As I’ve said before. “Does he play all his games in Coors”?
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by Roxman4ever on Jan 13, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
But a lot of those names with 500 doubles
are accompanied by another glamorous number, like 500 HRs. Todd’s number would be a career .421 OBP. That list is pretty f’ing exclusive and has little to do with altitude.
I’m inclined to agree, but HOF cases for Helton tend to get pretty creative and focus on numbers voters care less about, and his WAR is borderline, so color me pessimistic on his chances.
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I think OBP and doubles are pretty traditional
He’s still going to get dinged for Coors and not having adequate power at first base the latter half of his career, but we’ll see.
IF they had bad backs also.
I would like to see them generate as much power as the did when they were young whippersnappers.
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Unless you're Kirby Puckett with the eye
the voters probably aren’t going to injury adjust your numbers for you, particularly when he’ll have played at least 17 seasons.
If anything, the weaker counting numbers (HRs, for one) are going to be further discounted because his career stretched out so long (even though, of course, the injuries diminished the actual number of games played).
my issue with doubles, is that people are going to look at doubles and then just focus on the lack of home runs. I don’t think it helps him much at all despite him being in rare company…
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I think it exhibits power that would have translated to any park
and that’s more or less proven true by a career 25% line drive rate. More traditionally this is evidenced by a home/road split of 296/258 for doubles (~160 fewer PAs). His swing would’ve played well anywhere.
But then there’s the 200 point difference in home/road OPS. Yikes.
you’re looking at it from a Helton-fan perspective. Other people are going to look at all the doubles and say 1. it’s impressive, 2. aided by Coors, and 3. If he was so good he would have hit more home runs instead of doubles. Or at least that’s how I imagine it will go since everyone hates the Rockies.
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The funny thing
is how many of those doubles would be triples if he had any speed to speak of :-)
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 13, 2012 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
Bill James wrote an entire article about how many times
Helton went first to third pre and post injury it was sad, like everything associated with that injury
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I just can't help but laugh
When Todd smokes one into the corner and jogs into second… like “no way in hell am I gonna try for third”
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 13, 2012 1:45 PM MST up reply actions
A baseball writer would look at it (I think)
and realize that a swing that generates a lot of doubles is not necessarily the same kind of swing that generates a lot of home runs. Particularly when Helton was known for driving the ball the other way.
This is not really to prove my point, more for posterity, but Frank Thomas has a 100 point H/R split and Wade Boggs has a 150 point H/R split.
Boggs is an interesting comp since he has only 118 career home runs, and feasted on doubles and singles. Todd’s road SLG and OPS surpass Boggs’ career SLG and OPS.
I like the Boggs comp
but I suspect HOF voters would point to the difference in era and position. Plus, Boggs was aided by a bigger media market.
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Boggs played a lot of games in the heart of the steroid and offense era
Consider that Boggs debuted in 1982 and was a regular until 1998, and that Canseco debuted in 1985.
Boggs also got 3000 hits, won a WS title, wasn’t linked to roids, and probably most importantly, wasn’t a friggin Rockie.
I still agree with you globally about Helton’s candidacy but I still think whoever is voting on Helton is not going to be looking at his candidacy 1. as in depth as you or 2. as optimistically as you. Unless Walker’s case really moves the understanding of Coors’ park effects forward, or the Rockies win the WS and Helton is a substantial part of that, or lastly, by the time Helton is eligible, the Rockies have started consistently winning (not necessarily the WS) and forced people to take them more seriously I’m still really doubtful Helton gets in.
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I'm not sure Helton suffers the same problems as Walker.
Walker’s home/road splits are indicative of being “Coors-created.” Helton’s are not.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
Interestingly,
Walker’s H/R OPS split (1.068/.865) is remarkably similar to Helton’s (1.071/.869). I don’t have enough time at the moment to see what Walker’s split is for his career with the Rockies, but during the MVP season he had a higher road OPS.
I’d also like to look more into what the park adjusted numbers look like to see how much it had to do with Coors vs. the natural H/R split.
I've looked at it.
If you look year-to-year for Walker’s time with the Rockies, he had three good years in his splits (one the MVP year), a few bad years, and a couple terrible years.
Helton has been pretty consistent since 2001.
The difference is really going to be that Helton is going to have a campaign to get him in. Walker isn’t going to have one.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not particularly optimistic about it
Maybe it comes off that way, but I’m trying to look at comps for his best numbers (knowing that there are subpar numbers), which are doubles and OBP, and making a case.
It’s not particularly deep to think about a player’s swing and wonder whether it would translate. Nor is it really that deep to assume most players perform better at home than on the road (unless their home is a tough park).
it’s not, but outside of this blog I feel like the things I’ve read that give proper credit to our hitters are so few and far between… Maybe Helton’s best bet is a prolific internet campaign….
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especially with Coors and the steroids era
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 13, 2012 4:15 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I would hope so Roy Oswalt made $16 mil next year….
If Olney…
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 13, 2012 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
Ugh, I just got an email saying I wasn't selected in the opening day ticket drawing
If I remember correctly, do they hold a second drawing or am I going to have to buy tickets off stub hub?
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If you really want to go,
I’m not going, but I have the right to four tickets.
Email me, and we’ll talk. I think that I have to buy them today though.
This goes for everybody. Preference is for people that I have met because I would trust you more for obvious reasons.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
somebody has trust issues
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 13, 2012 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
Well, I'd be buying them today,
before I received money for them. I don’t want to be stuck with expensive tickets to a game I don’t want to attend.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
Although I think my plan will be for anyone buying them to just give me their CC info, and then I’ll buy them using that. That should work.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
That’s the point. Purplerocks created a virtual CC though.
It looks like I can still buy two more if anyone else is interested. This also goes for the fireworks games. The pre-sale ends at 8PM MST tonight.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
I just generated a one time use virtual CC number through the Citicards website
I don’t know if other banks do that or not. Pretty handy and what I use for most of my online shopping.
Thanks again Petro!
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cool man
Your email the one in your profile?
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by purplesocks on Jan 13, 2012 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
Yep.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
Me too.
Someone should make a fanpost for codes.
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 13, 2012 1:14 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Will do shortly
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fanpost is up
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Awesome
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 13, 2012 6:50 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I was selected, but
I got a mini plan and just bought my Home Opener tickets through that. So, if anyone wants my code, shoot me an email.
done
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 13, 2012 1:48 PM MST up reply actions
damn
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 13, 2012 4:19 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
This is probably a good time
For me to round up a group of people who want to save money and go to home game #2 – unless it’s ACTUALLY opening day, my income can’t support paying that much more. Who’s with me!?
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 13, 2012 1:52 PM MST up reply actions
My first game is 4/13.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 2:02 PM MST up reply actions
Cool
Did you keep your same seats as always, or did you move to the pavilion?
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 13, 2012 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
I'm a row behind where I was. Same seats.
I ended up just getting two seats, then buying extra tickets, mostly in the Pavilion, when I go with my family. If I like the pavilion, I might move out there when my kids get older. At the moment, they spend more time at the playground than watching the game.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 2:32 PM MST up reply actions
The pavilion is a good deal
proximity to Helton burgers, the sun is usually either above or behind you, and the view of the field is pretty good.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 13, 2012 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
Also the drunkest area of the park.
That can be good or bad, depending.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 13, 2012 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
I'd contest the Rockpile is much much much
drunker than the pavilion… but that’s just been my experience.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 13, 2012 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
today's Rockpile certainly seems to be
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 13, 2012 2:47 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I remember
the picture that floated around the internet of the lady popping a squat in the rockpile during the 07 playoffs.
I would say the opposite.
RP can be families looking for a good value or keen baseball fans with a few bucks to spare. Some of the people most into the game I have seen were in the RP.
Pavillion? Drunken mess. Always. Not judging, ain’t gonna lie and say I haven’t partaken in that revelry.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 13, 2012 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
Hmm
I’ve only been in the pavilion a few times, so I guess I can’t officially disagree. I’ve met some great fans in the RP, but every experience I can remember out there has involved drunken messes (and not always the good ones – fights, a*****e fans getting escorted out by security, etc.).
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 13, 2012 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
I sit out there every time I get the chance
Not all drunken folks. Blakebomber frequents that section and he’s great to chat with.
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If I end up moving back to Colorado, I hope to be able to go to a lot more games.
And hopefully that includes taking advantage of my cousin’s job perk of free tickets on multiple occasions.
HOOOOOOORAAAAYYYY
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 13, 2012 12:07 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
this!
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by Resolution on Jan 13, 2012 12:27 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
rec.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 13, 2012 12:33 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
rec'n that rec!
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 13, 2012 12:53 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Flec?
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Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Jan 13, 2012 12:57 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
looks like they fixed that
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 13, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Nope not for me.
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by SDcat09 on Jan 13, 2012 12:59 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
that's cuz you don't exist
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 13, 2012 1:01 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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What are we reccin?
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by Thnikkaman on Jan 13, 2012 1:01 PM MST up reply actions 5 recs
make this green, people
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by Muzia on Jan 13, 2012 1:02 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
A-Zoom-A-Zoom-Zoom
and a boom-boom
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
I reckon I don't know
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by SDcat09 on Jan 13, 2012 1:03 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
You guys have a propensity for cheering me up
A friend at work today got laid off, been a yucky day – yet all the reccage above really cheered me up.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 13, 2012 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
Also, just to keep it going
Some co-workers and I are going to get recced at happy hour after work.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 13, 2012 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
Just don't rec your car after happy hour.
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Get well soon Juan.
Maybe someone can rec a cab for you to use.
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by Thnikkaman on Jan 13, 2012 1:42 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
you reckon so?
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Because that would be no bueno.
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Maybe they should install a humidor also with this contract.
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They had better
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Can we have Bartolo Colon?
How much could he cost, $2-3M? Was the interpretation of the Millwood price that the Rockies didn’t have that much left to spend, or that they wouldn’t spend it on Millwood?
That's for 1/2 season though.
His numbers in the second half last year were pretty bad.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
Which is to be expected from someone who missed the previous season, but
more accurately, he had a poor August. Aside from a surge in HRs, the rest of his peripherals were still pretty good. The HR rate in Aug-Sep was out of line with his career number (1.11), and xFIP shows him still being an above average pitcher in the second half.
At a Blake-type deal, it’d be a steal.
then at the deadline, we can trade him for Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee, and Brandon Phillips.
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well, Bartolo is definitely large enough to split between Philly, Cleveland and Cincy
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 13, 2012 4:23 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Sure.
If he wants non-guaranteed money, bring him on.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 2:26 PM MST up reply actions
Have you tried Depends?
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by Junction Rox on Jan 13, 2012 9:09 PM MST up reply actions
I didn't know the Padres were up for sale.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7455864/mlb-owners-delay-approval-sale-san-diego-padres
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
I can buy Opening Day tickets!
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by free7694 on Jan 13, 2012 2:37 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
HOOOOOORRAAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 13, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
this!
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 13, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm assuming so
that was what my original HOOOOOOOORAAAAAAYYYY was for.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 13, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
It's 5:00 somewhere....
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by Junction Rox on Jan 13, 2012 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
Bangor, Maine
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
I suppose he can stay.
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Oh well what a big letdown that is.
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Most of us pretty much suggested that this was the likely outcome on the day this came down.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 3:35 PM MST up reply actions
Reaction from Drew himself:
Focused on baseball & looking forward to ST RT @BHSCouncil Disturbing the peace charges against #Rockies @DrewPomeranz have been dismissed
it'd be good if he learned a cutter.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 13, 2012 3:54 PM MST up reply actions
I'd like to see some dietary changes
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 13, 2012 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
maybe lose 10 pounds?
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by Junction Rox on Jan 13, 2012 4:09 PM MST up reply actions
cool?
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that's largely irrelevant I think
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 13, 2012 4:49 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Well, that's good.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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even if it weren't dead
he can still be dealt, we’d just know what his salary would be
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 13, 2012 7:04 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Still able to be traded
but not likely to the Rockies (if at all)
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Well
just heard about the Mariners getting close to a trade for a “young impact hitter”
They had interest in Smith earlier, and he could fit the description depending on your definition of “impact” Hummmmmm.
Was just wondering the same thing.
But the tweets I’ve seen make me think it might be something more significant than Seth Smith.
Calling Smith a young impact bat
is setting your standards low IMO.
Especially in Seattle, where I really don’t think he’d have too much of an overall impact with that team.
(Montero for Pineda???)
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That's what Larry Stone thinks it might be...
that would be a very significant prospect for prospect trade.
Holy crap
I like that deal for NY a lot.
by mkorpal on Jan 13, 2012 5:29 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I like that deal for Seattle a lot
They could have gotten more for Montero than Pineda I believe, I think they’d be selling low.
That said,
It does seem like most teams trading pitchers this off season were looking for packages with multople prospects, so maybe Montero alone was never a real possibility.
I think it makes sense for both clubs
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It's a big deal either way...
A #3 hitter who could be the long lost heir to Edgar Martinez’s DH throne for a legit TOR potential starter. Both players carry enough risk, however, that it could really turn out to be one sided either way.
I think it boils down to me
two top prospects, but one who has proven himself over a massive rookie season and will stick at his position vs the other who hasn’t quite stuck yet and is a good bet to end up at DH.
I think it makes sense if the Mariners have no faith in Smoak or think that Monetro can stick behind the plate.
The Mariners need impact bats, no matter where they play. Montero can be the new Edgar for them and it would improve their club tremendously, especially with Hultzen likely to slide into their rotation this year.
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+1
Mariners just potentially acquired their best offensive piece without giving up their best pitching piece. Given their need for offense, that is a big deal imo.
OMG no
Just look at the market this year! If they had auctioned Pineda on the open market, they’d have pulled in 3-4 prospects, with at least 2 in Montero’s class. They panicked and get ripped off.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 13, 2012 7:37 PM MST up reply actions
There hasn't been one consensus top 5 prospect dealt this offseason
besides Montero.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
I'm not sure any system in baseball
has 2 prospects in Montero’s class…
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by Junction Rox on Jan 13, 2012 9:15 PM MST up reply actions
maybe harper and rendon
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 13, 2012 10:03 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Good call
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by Junction Rox on Jan 13, 2012 10:07 PM MST up reply actions
Montero's bat makes sense for any AL club or the Astros, whether a team thinks he'll catch or not.
It’s good enough that he’ll be a significant asset as a DH. Meanwhile, Pineda’s season of proof was actually a bit lucky with his BABIP given the amount of line drives he gives up. In a more neutral park and with a BABIP more in line with his minor league career, he wouldn’t look quite as impressive. More of a Brandon Morrow type that racks up K’s but also allows plenty of damage on contact. He’ll come back to earth a bit in 2012, I’m guessing. He’s still very good though, I’m just saying that valuing both on 2011 alone will leave a mistaken impression.
I can see that
And I think they are in the same situation as we are with pitching. The only way we can attract quality here is to trade for it, even if we over pay.
That was vague
I’m saying the only way they can get plus hitting there is to over pay for it. So, while the DH market is usually pretty inexpensive, a team like the Mariners really don’t have a shot at it.
montero probably carries less risk than any other prospect in the game,
at least relative to his potential
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Heyman confirmed it.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 13, 2012 5:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
And more players involved too according to Heyman
Makes sense for both sides.
Seattle needs offense in the worst way, NYY needed pitching in the worst way.
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#yankees tried for #felix before acquiring pineda. #mariners wouldnt budge. #yanks woulda offered montero/banuelos/betances/etc./etc
I know how great Felix is,
but, at this point, why not? With Texas the way it is, and the Angels doing what they did, is Felix really that helpful?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 5:59 PM MST up reply actions
$
yankees are trying to get under the luxury tax by 2014
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Sounds like the package we wanted for Ubaldo...
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by Junction Rox on Jan 13, 2012 9:15 PM MST up reply actions
Highway friggin' robbery. This deal pisses me off so much.
And not just because I’m an ex-Red Sox fan. This is the kind of deal that makes you wonder about the motivations of other GM’s. Seriously, Mariners? One of the five best pitchers in baseball with between 0 and 1 years of service, runner-up for ROY and with years of service time before he gets paid a nickel, for a good hitter who doesn’t have a position and didn’t even rake that well in AAA? That’s all??? And we can’t find two dimes to rub together to sign Kevin effing Millwood. I’m going to find a fifth of tequila and go watch re-runs of something.
I thought this was the year of the massive package of prospects for good young arms. Can you imagine what the GM’s in Washington and Cincinnati are thinking? Arizona too, to some extent. Cleveland … "We gave up 3 top prospects and the Yankees grab a cheaper, younger, perhaps better (in the Nats and D’backs cases) guy for one DH they have no use for. My goodness.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 13, 2012 7:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you on this
I’m sure Montero has a good future, but the Yanks have to be smiling ear-to-ear. If the guy was really an MLB-caliber catcher he would have been seeing time there by now. As a DH or 1B he still has value, but is not as prized of a prospect. I have body parts I would have gladly given up if it would have brought Pineda to Denver.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 13, 2012 9:24 PM MST up reply actions
He probably isn't an MLB caliber catcher
at least not everyday. His value is in his bat, not his glove.
Both teams are dealing from strength here. The Yankees needed pitching pretty desperately, and they’ve got bats out the ying-yang… The M’s have a very pitcher friendly park, but massive holes in their lineup. It’s a lot easier for them to replace a Pineda than a Montero.
The big difference here perception wise is that Pineda got a bigger sample of MLB time. Montero put up a .996 OPS in September, which is pretty amazing. It’s just that he only had 69 plate appearances. It’s doubtful he’ll match that going from Yankee Bandbox to Safeco, but OTOH Pineda’s numbers will probably suffer too…
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by Junction Rox on Jan 13, 2012 9:41 PM MST up reply actions
Disagree entirely.
because he’s not the pitcher most are claiming him to be.
That’s right, I said it.
First off, he was fifth in ROY voting rather than second, but that doesn’t even play into my thoughts on the matter.
He’s a two-pitch pitcher with a league-average change (maybe a generous assessment) that he rarely uses. As a starter, that’s a bit scary. I love it in a relief role, but it could get ugly once the league adjusts to him.
I love Craig Kimbrel and Jonny Venters, but I wouldn’t want them going seven every fifth day. I bet they probably have league-average changes, but they don’t throw them once an inning (by the math, 169 Pineda change-ups over 171 innings last year). A 6% average might work for a fourth league-average pitch, but not a third.
I don’t know that we can call either side of the trade, at least in the major pieces, a win at this point, though I’ll be the first to acknowledge that I don’t know anything about the secondary players involved. While I’m not a huge Montero fan, if he becomes Edgar Martinez lite (or heavy?? I wasn’t talking weight…), the Mariners win the trades by leaps and bounds. Pineda’s upside is not really that much greater than 2011.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I'm not sure if the M's envision Montero at DH or 1B
…but it looks like the Prince Fielder market is continuing to diminish…
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The Yanks don't stop at Pineda and break a few PR'er hearts in the process
Jack Curry of YES Network reports that the Yankees have signed Hiroki Kuroda to a one-year deal worth between $10-11 million, pending a physical.
Oh, and...
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
so #yankees get pineda & kuroda. they arent done. calling around for a hitter. carlos pena/others in play now.
They were just taking their time this offseason
and letting prices fall a little bit
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CC
Kuroda
Pineda
Hughes
Nova
That’s a pretty decent rotation, along with Banuelos midseason.
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Meh.
Still a lot of question marks for a WS winner.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 6:56 PM MST up reply actions
From 1-5 that's a solid rotation.
Not as sexy as the Phillies or Giants TOR, but strong throughout.
And with their offense, that is plenty of rotation.
I don't know.
1) An ace.
2) A 37-year old who pitched in a favorable park and had a pretty bad HR rate last year.
3) A guy with 171 IP.
4) A guy who has only pitched over 87 innings once in his career and is coming off his worst season
5) A guy with 207 IP.
I would say that there are a few question makes there.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 7:05 PM MST up reply actions
I like their chances
Their an offensive team with a rotation 1-5 that, imo, can provide quality starts on any given night.
Sure. This rotation could also blow up though.
They’re not that much better setup than they were last year for a WS run. That’s their goal. They still aren’t there with this rotation this year without a few things breaking their way.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 13, 2012 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
It could, and the gods definitely owe them ...
after the miracle of 2011. But I still like the way it looks.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 13, 2012 7:34 PM MST up reply actions
Eh, it's not like Pineda and Nova are jumping straight from A ball into the majors or anything
Both have established track records in the minors in addition to a full successful season. They’re certainly not sure things in the way that CC is, but I think we can reasonably expect similar seasons from both.
I guess I’d be more inclined to describe our young pitchers, who have very little ML experience, as “question marks”, but certainly not these guys
Pineda only has about 500 IP total. His A and AA numbers are elite, but his AAA and MLB stats are not TOR-worthy by a stretch. A solid #2, which is great, is about his ceiling. I think he probably ends up being a decent MOR guy.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Burnett has to be traded now
Sabathia, Pineda. Kuroda, Hughes, Nova, Garcia, Burnett.
Maybe trade Garcia too? Depth is always good but I don’t think Garcia and Burnett would be of any value to just hold on to.
Someone on twitter asked
“Burnett for Dunn. Who says no?”
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 13, 2012 6:51 PM MST up reply actions
I'd guess the Yankees
As Dunn has an extra year and an extra $11 million due to him.
Rios for Burnett might be the more realistic bad dead for bad deal swap between the two.
Though I guess I didn't take into account
That the CHW really don’t have any need for Burnett so the only real reason to trade for him would be to save money, making that Rios suggestion moot.
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That makes sense IMO
There’d have to be an agreement on Bay’s part to waive the option KRod style though
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
No place for Bay to play with Yanks ... and they won't want his contract
When they trade Burnett it will be one of those “the better the prospect you give back, the more money we’ll eat”. In the end they’ll eat most of it and get a decent guy back. But I can’t imagine who would bite even on that deal. If he whines about losing a rotation spot, they may literally have to cut him.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 13, 2012 7:58 PM MST up reply actions
I think that's optimistic.
Look at the Derek Lowe trade, and you’ll find a decent comp that is worse for the Yankees than it was for the Braves.
I think they have to eat a much higher percentage (70-75% as opposed to 67%) just to get the trade done for peanuts in return.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
yes
the Ks are back for AJ, look for a bounceback year from him
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Traded isn't the right word
I’d say “given away.” They’ll have to eat close to the whole contract. Actually not a horrible idea for us. He does consume innings, although he’s the exact wrong kind of pitcher for Coors.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 13, 2012 7:35 PM MST up reply actions
Thoughts?
37 today, 36 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Plus, its 10 days until I go to Las Vegas to bowl in a professional tournament.
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Do we like this?
Blake has plenty of incentive to make sure third base goes his way. His contract calls for a $2 million base salary, but he can earn an extra million in incentives. He will earn $200,000 for reaching each of the following plate-appearance thresholds: 350, 400, 450, 500 and 550.
37 today, 36 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Plus, its 10 days until I go to Las Vegas to bowl in a professional tournament.
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The Blake deal has already been pretty thoroughly discussed on here, hasn't it?
I think virtually everyone is in favor of such a low-risk signing.
Fine with me
If Arenado doesn’t force himself into the picture Blake gets more time. If he does, Blake moves to excellent bench bat and improves Spilborghs production.
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It's a lot like
having Javy Lopez in camp a few years ago for Iannetta. I think Blake makes the team but we will have to wait and see.
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