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Friday Rockpile: Rafael Betancourt Extended Another Year

Colorado Rockies, Rafael Betancourt Agree To Extension - MLB Daily Dish

Not only do his outings just seem to linger on forever, but now his contract does, too! We learned from Enrique Rojas of ESPNDeportes yesterday evening that the Rockies have extended Rafael Betancourt, guaranteeing his $4.25M mutual option for the 2013 season and adding a 2014 team option.

So this kind of makes me wonder why the Rockies feel they need Rafael Betancourt for potentially the next 3 years. Well, Occam's Razor would suggest the simplest reason is likely the best, and that's the fact that Betancourt has done nothing but own since joining the Colorado Rockies. For example, at no point in his Colorado Rockies tenure has Betancourt had a K/9 less than 10.3. Never with the Rockies has Betancourt walked even 2 batters per 9 innings. Amusingly enough, Betancourt pitched the same 62.1 innings in 2010 and 2011 (walking 1.16 per 9 in both seasons too), right at around a 2.50 FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching) level. SIERA likes him even more (2010, 1.57; 2011, 2.00).

Betancourt has worked with some of the young Latin pitchers on the team, just as kind of that helpful veteran presence. He's established himself as a leader on the team, and having someone in that role is absolutely huge going forward.

Star-divide

Intangibles aside, the numbers pretty much paint the picture of Betancourt being a model pitcher for high leverage innings. He has a high strikeout rate and low walk rate, good for keeping batted ball fluctuations and any other sorts of baserunners off of the paths. His downside is obviously that he gives up too many home runs, but with diminished traffic due to a miniscule walk rate and high K rate, they tend to be less damaging than other pitchers' long balls.

The one downside I have with Betancourt right now isn't even involving him. Betancourt was named closer in lieu of the injured Huston Street, a position he never relinquished, and he's already been named the closer for the 2012 season. Funny story, Betancourt always ends up closing for me in my OOTP sims. I don't like the way managers handle closers, especially our manager, as they're relegated to the 9th inning and the 9th inning alone and then are "saved" in extra innings for that magical half inning when your team has the lead. I liked seeing Betancourt come in and clean up a rocky 7th and then pitch the 8th. A big part of Betancourt's excellent fWAR figures (excellent for a reliever, anyhow) was the fact that he pitched in all sorts of tricky situations and has had a distinctly positive impact on the team's chances of winning (per WPA) due to his usage in those high-leverage situations. Oh well.

Rockies' Nicasio set to compete; Betancourt's contract extended - The Denver Post

Juan Nicasio commanded attention Thursday when he walked into the Coors Field clubhouse, but not for the one-inch scar on his neck. He had a mohawk.

La Violencia indeed.

Troy Renck treats us to a bunch of short summaries of Rockies players' offseasons - mostly sound bites, but they're not the standard Spring Training cliches. For example, did you know that Apodaca visited Alex White this offseason to discuss pitching philosophy and how to attack hitters? Good stuff.

Moyer looks to make history in Colorado - Stats & Info Blog - ESPN

Jamie Moyer is old!

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well done sir

The Big Purple Machine will make a believer outta you!

by El Paso Jeff on Jan 20, 2012 7:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Soo

Was Betancourt’s contract written by the Philosopher Zeno?

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 7:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Perfect

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 11:13 AM MST up reply actions  

in a story involving two names perfectly relating to Betancourt:

renck: After climbing Mt Kilimanjaro w Mets pitcher R.A Dickey,Kevin Slowey will attend FanFest

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 7:56 AM MST via Android app reply actions   1 recs

This is outstanding

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 20, 2012 8:00 AM MST up reply actions  

too bad he won’t be climbing any Rockies this year

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 8:54 AM MST up reply actions  

SLOWEY TO LEARN A KNUCKLE BALL!!!!!

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

And you guys guffawed whrn I suggested Francis do the same.

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by Oldfoagie on Jan 20, 2012 9:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Francis probably should if he doesn't get work soon

Slowey has exceptional control but is pretty bad at getting guys out profiles as a perfect Knuckleballer

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

lol

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

This

"We made too many wrong mistakes" - Yogi Berra

by purpleJerseygirl on Jan 20, 2012 12:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

rec

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

boom…love it

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

hey yo

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2012 10:57 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Brilliant

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 11:14 AM MST up reply actions  

oof

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

I think Betancourt's influence goes beyond the Latin pitchers

I know Belisle has said on a couple of occasions that Betancourt’s arrival helped turn his career around.

If Betancourt was remaining in the setup role, I wouldn’t see the need for an extension right now. But this seems like a risk management move – if he excels as a closer this year like he did in the second half of 2011, he becomes unaffordable. If he stumbles and ends up back in the setup role, the Rockies still aren’t really overpaying him by a whole lot for a role in which he’s been very successful.

Drives me crazy that closers make so much more than other relievers who are just as effective for just as many outs. But that’s the reality, so this seems like a prudent move.

by Northsider1964 on Jan 20, 2012 8:04 AM MST reply actions  

Definitely extends beyond Latin pitcher...

When I was in camp, Betancourt would talk to me about preparation and creating a routine, in order to repeat and be successful. He is the epitome of a professional. Not a loud “rah rah” guy but he is for sure a leader.

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by CBake33 on Jan 20, 2012 2:36 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

Just FYI

I love having you around here – welcome to the community. I know I speak for everyone else when I say that it’s great to get insight into a lot of the stuff we can’t/don’t know about.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Of course...

That what I am here for. Don’t ever want to come across as “all knowing” or anything of the sort but I will chime in when I can.

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by CBake33 on Jan 20, 2012 9:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

This is my thinking also

• Troy Tulowitzki on concerns about the team’s young rotation. “I know what people are saying, but I am convinced with 15 guys competing that a
couple will step forward and have big years.”

by 3nS on Jan 20, 2012 8:39 AM MST reply actions  

So... if Fausto/Roberto's contract is voided by the Indians

Rockies sign him? Good control the last two seasons (3.08, 2.86 BB/9) and stellar GB career GB rate (58.6%).

Plus, how bad is faking your name if you can eventually still get a visa.

by deacs on Jan 20, 2012 8:43 AM MST reply actions  

#AcquireAllTheYoungArms
#AcquireAllTheFakeNames

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 8:48 AM MST up reply actions  

#AcquireAllFake28YearOlds

by deacs on Jan 20, 2012 8:51 AM MST up reply actions  

#JustPileThemUpNextToTheBullPen

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 1:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I want Leo Abraham

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2012 10:58 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

i thought i saw on Twitter yesterday it means “Unlucky” in Italian or something

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 8:55 AM MST up reply actions  

The opposite, actually...

It means lucky. Or at least it did for a while.

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by Since1993 on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Hell yea.

I hope we do. Been wanting fausto for many years, even when he was bad.

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To any Mods And SB Brass...

Has anybody assessed what SOPA and PIPA impact might be on PR? Is it going to make a lot of the Content we currently use unavailable or unshareable?

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by Oldfoagie on Jan 20, 2012 8:57 AM MST reply actions  

Well, there was this

http://www.sbnation.com/2012/1/18/2715811/sopa-legislation-sb-nation-vox-media-statement

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanx; hope others read it and coform to what other new rules you need to promugate

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by Oldfoagie on Jan 20, 2012 9:28 AM MST up reply actions  

we have no new rules

same stuff as always.

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2012 10:58 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Good

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by jrockies on Jan 20, 2012 5:34 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: What is the furthest you would drive to see a concert?

Conditions:
- the show was your only reason for the trip;
- you would only be staying one night;
- the concert would be in a rural town, not a big city.

by deacs on Jan 20, 2012 8:58 AM MST reply actions  

2 hours

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 9:07 AM MST up reply actions  

one way

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 9:20 AM MST up reply actions  

notime nowhere

I don’t drive anymore

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by Oldfoagie on Jan 20, 2012 9:13 AM MST up reply actions  

He's still a wet behind the ears punk! :-)

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by Oldfoagie on Jan 20, 2012 6:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Depends

If it is a Woodstock like concert I’d drive for days. If its a Justin Beiber concert I wouldn’t pull out of my driveway.

by 3nS on Jan 20, 2012 9:14 AM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't even roll over.

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by Since1993 on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

I would just die in my sleep.

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by prettyinpurple on Jan 20, 2012 1:18 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

probably about 6 hours

but it would have to be a deadly band

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by Rosenort on Jan 20, 2012 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

I drove eight hours round-trip to Omaha to see Queens of the Stone Age last April. Got back home about 3 AM. No regrets whatsoever. And I’m not even a big concert-goer, either.

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by Franchise26 on Jan 20, 2012 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Good choice.

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed.

They were fantastic the one time I saw them, and I didn’t even know all that much about them at the time. Turned me into a fan.

by holly96 on Jan 20, 2012 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I flew to NYC on two separate occasions to see Belle & Sebastian.

Driving? Probably 6 hours or so, would get me to Glasgow/Edinburgh/Paris.

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by biondino on Jan 20, 2012 9:18 AM MST up reply actions  

You flew to NYC

to see a band who plays in your backyard 12 times per year?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes, but

In the early years live performances were a rarity, so it wasn’t that easy. Even since then I’ve only seen them twice in London – and maybe 4 times in Glasgow.

Also, what a great excuse to go to NY, and on the second occasion, have a smooch with a Montrealian and a smouldering romance with a girl from Jersey City. No complaints :)

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by biondino on Jan 20, 2012 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Girl from Jersey City?

I guess that’s exotic for you. It’s like having an affair with a girl from Barking.

Montreal is good though. French-Canadian women are crazy.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Haha! Yeah I know - I was staying at her place (she was a friend before the smouldering started)

And actually really like Jersey City. Not that she’s originally from there – Wisconsin or something but I couldn’t actually remember… <3 American girls

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by biondino on Jan 20, 2012 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

How do I know you?

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Me? Not sure I understand?

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by biondino on Jan 21, 2012 4:03 PM MST up reply actions  

A country band called Turnpike Troubadors

They’re pretty good, but only tour OK-TX-MO-CO. This one would be about 5 hours (one way) in southern Iowa.

by deacs on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 AM MST up reply actions  

You could shack up with about 8 different Rowbots in that part of the state

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 10:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Love that band I think they will be huge soon

sort of a country version of Mumford and sons

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Mumford & Sons went to my high school

I have never heard them, though. And they’re at least a decade younger than me. This isn’t a very good story.

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by biondino on Jan 20, 2012 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

You still haven't heard them?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

They're definitely harmless.

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

I enjoy them, ridicule based on what?

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Have you heard the Mountain Goats?

Essentially the same band.

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

I have, I used to have internet beefs with J.hn D.rnielle on another forum!

They are intermittently good but damn, that man needs to instil more effective quality control.

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by biondino on Jan 20, 2012 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Meh.

They’re like the 2010s version of Big Bad Voodoo Daddy. They take an old form of music, update it with pop sensibilities, and become popular. You hear it once and think, “Hey! That’s neat.” Then you hear all of their other songs again and again and think, “That got old fast.”

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Where in Iowa?

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Nevermind,

I saw that they are in Leon, IA. 3 hours from me.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

They'll be like Kings in Leon!

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Went to El Paso last fall. Denton, TX a couple of years before that…

So…10-13 hours?

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 9:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Ahh Denton...

My old stomping grounds. Haven’t been there since ‘00. Wonder if it’s changed at all? Oh yeah, Apogee. lmao

by nt_eagle on Jan 20, 2012 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

From the looks of it, nah. Hasn’t changed since 1956.

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

What show was it?

12-13 hours is my max driver’s seat time for one sitting. Would depend on the concert to go over six hours one way in one sitting.

by deacs on Jan 20, 2012 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

The Denton one was a Russian Circles + Red Sparowes show. I’m a sucker for both bands.

The El Paso one was for Sparta, their reunion show after being gone for 5+ years. Their last tour sold out in Denver and it was one of my musical regrets, so I decided to fix that by seeing them in their hometown. Also got to have drinks with El Paso Jeff, eat Whataburger 24/7, see White Sands and Carlsbad, Juarez. Not a bad trip.

The drive wasn’t supposed to be that long, but my non-Amart roommate doesn’t know how to read a flight itinerary and we ended up driving back.

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

got friends driving to kansas city

from denver to see radiohead.

im a huge fan, just dont think id go that far for a concert.

by roxintober on Jan 20, 2012 9:32 AM MST up reply actions  

I almost flew to Minneapolis for a concert once

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 9:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Lots of good, small concert places up here

Never seen one at the bigger places (Target Center, Xcel) though

by deacs on Jan 20, 2012 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

I considered driving from NYC to Gainesville FL to go to Fest, but that violates your conditions since it’s three nights…

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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2012 10:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Hmmm

I didn’t consider having to take a break due to the length of the drive. Seeing Tom Petty in his hometown would be worth a drive like that though.

by deacs on Jan 20, 2012 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

I've driven seven hours.

I’m too old for that crap now, and concerts like the one you are describing are overpriced now.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 10:08 AM MST up reply actions  

And, since I asked this of other folks,

I drove from Tampa to Atlanta in 1994 to see Blur on two nights.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

/jealous

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

They were in teeny, tiny places too.

A radio studio and a little club. I even got to talk to Graham and Alex for a little bit.

Damon just disappeared somewhere, probably to get high I guess.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Who?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I had tickets to see them in Denver

a couple days before the show one of them got sick and they cancelled. Rescheduled for when I couldn’t go. I was sad… :(

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

that is a shame.

it was a damn good show.

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by hotdoglady on Jan 20, 2012 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

ummmm

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

eh?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Didn’t even notice that typo.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 11:22 AM MST up reply actions  

I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS!!!

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

they toured closets?

talk about small venues!

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That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 11:24 AM MST up reply actions  

OH ! That explains it.

A concert and freedom!!! WOO HOO!!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that tour involved no closets....

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 11:25 AM MST up reply actions  

HAAAAAVVVVE YOU SEEN SIR EJ's WARDROBE?

thats a lot of closets

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 11:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Not to mention the number of costumes....

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

oh for f's sake.

I just need to go home today.

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by hotdoglady on Jan 20, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions  

what do you mean by f’s?

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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2012 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

f=Fausto...

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

3 hours

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 11:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Last year I went to Tulsa solely to see the Drillers and the National concert

but that was but aerobus.

Just driving, dunno. Almost did St. Louis once. Did up and back to steamboat in a day for some bluegrass show. Don’t remember who was playing. I wasn’t driving (that was a good thing).

So in conclusion, I don’t know.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

I went to San Fran a couple years ago to see a concert

I also built a vacation around it as I had long wanted to check out San Francisco, but the concert was my motivation.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Whom did you see?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

The Melvins

The played their Lysol album and Eggnog EP in their entirety.

Lysol is one of my all time favorite albums, even moreso then than now. Had to be there and glad I was.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

ooooh now that is awesome

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

A friend and I drove to Vancouver

a little over 1,000 miles to see Tool, but also stayed with a friend on the island for a week and make a nice vacation out of it.

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by Rosenort on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

A Tool show in '96

was the roughest concert I ever attended, and I had seen some rough/hardcore stuff.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

I saw them in 2006

really chill, but BC is know for good grass and there was plenty of it there.

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by Rosenort on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Well, no-one moshes anymore, I think.

This was near the height of the mosh-pitting era. It was a club that was a converted movie theater and had this odd almost enclosed area near the stage. They came on about 90 minutes late. Many people were VERY drunk by that point. The opening act (The Impotent Sea Snakes) also set some people off.

That was the first, and possibly only, time I ever backed away from the stage and the pit after seeing all the bloodied people around me.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 11:55 AM MST up reply actions  

I saw an actual fistfight outside the Marquis Theater in downtown Denver last night. It was pretty brutal.

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

You're hip and still go to shows.

Do people still mosh? It seems like that went out in the late 90s or so.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I remember being at a TMBG show in 1994

when Linnell told some people in the crowd to stop “playing pass the dude around” because the dude was kicking people in the head. Not quite a mosh pit, but you seriously couldn’t go to ANY rock show without people crowdsurfing or moshing for a good four or five year period in the 90s.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Probably depends on the music style

I am sure hardcore shows still have plenty of moshing.

Fortunately most of the shows I have seen the past few years have been mosh free.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I had my nose broken at a Converge show a few years back.

It doesn’t really happen anymore, except for the extreme shows. When I see Nile + Black Dahlia Murder + Skeletonwitch in March, I expect the roof to collapse.

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Moshing to Converge has to be crazy

With the ferocity of their music, I’m suprised people could keep up.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 12:05 PM MST up reply actions  

On the first note, a guy turns around and punches me directly in the nose. I spent the rest of the pit gasping for air and covered in blood. I didn’t even have the energy for Mastodon afterwards :(

Good times, good times.

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

wow

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by purplesocks on Jan 20, 2012 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

That sucks

But isn’t part of the allure of the pit the ability to come up with stories such as that?

Not really, but it is a good story.

Sucks about Mastodon but I have been extremely hit or miss with them so you potentially missed nothing. Seen them 3 times now, the first time was one of the worst shows ever, the second was the definition of average, and the third time was great.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I saw them pretty consistently from the pre-Leviathan days. Even though I enjoyed Crack the Skye, they just aren’t the same.

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

They have defiitely morphed into a different band

But Crack The Skye is actually my favorite of theirs.

The first time I saw them was during their Remission tour. That was my introduction to them and it was honestly one of the worst live performances of any band that I like. I went to see High on Fire and Mastodon was the opener. I had never heard of them prior and me and my friend both sat through the set, constantly commenting how sloppy and terrible they were. I finally saw a video for ‘March of the Fire Ants’ a couple months later and was completely shocked that that was the same band we had seen open for HOF a couple months before. It felt like 2 different bands.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

On the on the other side of the coin

The show I saw from their ‘Crack The Skye’ tour was my favorite.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 1:10 PM MST up reply actions  

ah yes, High on Fire. I saw them in 2003? A tiny band called Kylesa opened for them, along with Planes Mistaken For Stars. Awesome, awesome show.

Mastodon was an awesome club band, but I think that’s permanently gone.

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I keep hearing how great a club band Mastodon was and that can drive me crazy, as I never got to experience that. When I saw Mastodon that first time it was at this really small club, The Balcony in Philadelphia. It was probably the size of The Larimer Lounge if you don’t include the front and back rooms and threw the main bar into the stage room. I really must have got an off show with them because everyone else shares your opinion on them from back in the day.

Kylesa is another band I dig a lot. They actually opened for Mastodon on the Crack The Skye tour. Another band that I liked much better that time around than I had the first time I saw them.

High on Fire is maybe my favorite live metal band. I have seen them so many times and they always deliver.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I posted recently

about checking out Mastodon on the current tour. My 2nd time seeing them and I thought they brought it at an incredibly high level. 22 song set, no pauses, no talking to the crowd, just blast after blast. Loved it, and brought along a non-metal guy and he loved it too.

Just getting into HOF. Very chill band. Favorite tunes?

I dig Kylesa but haven’t gone all in yet. Interesting stuff.

by Teekalong on Jan 20, 2012 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Devilution from Blessed Black Wings

is killer album opener, but I’m still more of a Sleep man myself

Is it April yet?

by Rosenort on Jan 20, 2012 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Interestingly enough, I love the two bands that stem from Sleep much more than I actually like Sleep.

Buy mucho respect to Sleep.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd just check out High On Fire

Chronologically.

Art of Self Defense, Surrounded By Thieves, Blessed Black Wings, Death Is This Communion, Snakes of the Divine..

Favorite songs…..I’d say the first 5 songs off Art of Self Defense is HOF at my favorite. ‘10,000 Years’ is the track that made me a HOF fan.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

thx

I had just picked up Communion on one of my “by a random CD” binges and liked it, downloaded a few other random tracks. Will check these out for sure.

by Teekalong on Jan 20, 2012 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Death Is This Communion

is maybe my least favorite album of theirs, though still a quality album in my books.

AOSD is a bit different from the rest of their catalog. I’d say this can have a little more groove than the rest of their catalog and is not as straight ahead metal.

SBT is extremely raw. It took me a while to warm to the production but now I really like it. They went dirty and metal on this one and the songs on this album are always my favorite songs from their live performances.

BBW is I think their most concise album. They figured out the formula for songwriting I think every album since has built off. Production wise they found a pretty nice balance between a nice, clean sound while also maintaining some rawness to it.

DISTC is a good album but I like the production of this one the least of all their albums. Feels a bit too flat and trebbly for me. Some good songs, though this is the first album of theirs that is more a continuation/evolution from their last album than something brand new from them.

SFTD is their cleanest production which is great out the gate but I got burnt out on this one rather quickly. Some really songs here, though again the music was simply a continuation/evolution from their prior 2 albums and nothing brand new.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Kylesa has become a much better studio band. I’ve been disappointed live, sadly.

Check out their last two studio albums — both are incredible

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 4:46 PM MST up reply actions  

+1 for Kylesa's past 2 albums

But I will always have a soft spot for ’To Walk A Middle Course."

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 5:02 PM MST up reply actions  

one of the two Adam Sandler lines I still think is funny:

“Have fun mosh-pitting!” spoken by a goat on one of his albums.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

They're all going to laugh at you?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

something like that.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

We did that once too.

went to see Devotchka but also spend the weekend in SF.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

i almost flew home from vermont to see AC/DC on their last tour

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I flew to Denver from Vermont once to see a concert

but I had a free plane ticket, and I stayed at least two nights, and the concerts were at Red Rocks.

I drove from San Francisco to eastern Washington (state) to see a pair of concerts, too.

Those stories probably tell a lot about what bands I followed in my mis-spent young adulthood…

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5 Hours

Depending on the band.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I drove from Lower Alabama to Louisville, KY for a show back in the day.

Roger Clyne and the Peacemakers, before the Buffet phase.

But I like to drive.

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by Yokel on Jan 20, 2012 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I think the Indians just became my AL team for 2012

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/indians-to-sign-ryan-spilborghs.html

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by Gasstation1 on Jan 20, 2012 9:16 AM MST reply actions  

Go Spilly!

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by Oldfoagie on Jan 20, 2012 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

@troyrenck: Spilborghs is already prepping for time in cleveland by quoting lines from “Major League” in texts..

dyawww i miss him already

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by Franchise26 on Jan 20, 2012 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

I already do that on a daily basis.

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 10:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Miss Spilly or quote Major League?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

I regularly use this one when I’m on the air. Even if I’m talking to myself.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around the whole time." - Jim Bouton

by Franchise26 on Jan 20, 2012 10:11 AM MST up reply actions  

that's awesome

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 10:04 AM MST up reply actions  

He was a character

Unfortunately, he was a better personality than ball player last season.

I’ll miss him.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Tribe commercials just got a lot funnier.

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by Since1993 on Jan 20, 2012 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeup

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

hahaha

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 AM MST up reply actions  

That's awesome. The Row is lively today!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 11:17 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm so glad you posted this

exactly the way you did

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by Andrew Martin on Jan 20, 2012 10:59 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

RP

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

whoops

PR’s on FIYAH!!

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Lots of encouraging tid-bits in Renck's article.

I am starting to get a little excited about the season, especially with pitchers and catchers reporting in less than a month.

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by BittenAnkles on Jan 20, 2012 9:45 AM MST reply actions  

I liked White's comments

Taking ownership of his issues. If his performance catches up with his attitude…

by Teekalong on Jan 20, 2012 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Bill James has rated the top 100 pitcher duels from 2011

Story

Rockies have two of them both involving Chacin. #73 and #97

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by purplesocks on Jan 20, 2012 10:16 AM MST reply actions  

I bet one is his first start of the seaosn

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

so thats a possible 200 teams, and we are only in 2 of them? Yikes 2011 was bad

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Could be worse. Orioles aren’t in any of them

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by Franchise26 on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

haha wow

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

This is Birdland?

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

i wouldn’t mind Baltimore being good, they seem like a fun city/team

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

I always liked the uniforms

and I dislike everyone else in that division.

Is it April yet?

by Rosenort on Jan 20, 2012 10:31 AM MST up reply actions  

kinda my thoughts

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

I was a fan of them for the few years that I lived there.

They have a great park, but the fan base has really dried up. Baltimore was always a football town. It has now reverted back to being one, and the Nationals have taken away many of the baseball fans from around the District. There’s hope that they might improve if they can ever get rid of Angelos. They will never again be what they were though.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Baltimore is a pretty good town though.

Great location. Nice atmosphere. Good food.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

My only Baltimore knowledge

is from the Wire. So not high on my vacation lists, much as I’d love to see Camden.

by Teekalong on Jan 20, 2012 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

There's truth to the Wire,

but it’s nothing that a tourist would get into. Also, it’s obviously highly dramatized and exaggerated.

People visiting DC should drive up there for the day. The Inner Harbor, the Fort, Federal Hill, Poe’s grave, and Fell’s Point/Canton are all nice places to check out. Then take in a game at Camden Yards.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 11:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Actually, they can.

It isn’t in that bad of a part of town, at least the location where those scenes were filmed. I used to drive through there almost everyday.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

I’m rewatching The Wire right now. Blew through the first three discs of Season One in three days. God, it’s such effing great television. And Season One isn’t even in the top three seasons.

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by Franchise26 on Jan 20, 2012 12:06 PM MST up reply actions  

I finished my first go-round about a month ago

and am already considering taking another spin. Just so fantastic. I watched the finale montage like 30 times.

by Teekalong on Jan 20, 2012 12:31 PM MST up reply actions  

This

And it’s a disgrace that it was not nominated for any Emmy until the final season(which IMO was it’s weakest).

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought season 2 was the weakest

I liked the final season with the exception of McNulty’s storyline.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 12:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Season 5 was the weakest.

It just seemed like they got tired of doing it. Everything from the writing to the acting was pretty poor for the level the the Wire was at.

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2
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought Season 5 was the weakest.

Season’s 1 and 4 were my favorite.

Season 3 was the runner up.

Season 2 I thought was good but didn’t intrigue me quite as much as the top 3.

Season 5 felt like the weakest of the bunch but it was still The Wire which meant I still enjoyed it.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Time out! I'm confused. I was thinking Season 4 was the last season

I forgot it was Season 5. Which was the weakest. My bad people, my bad

I thought Season 3, 2, 4 were the best.

But I’m a huge Stringer Bell lover okay make that Idris Elba.

But Omar was my favorite character

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was really bummed when they killed off Stringer.

And even sadder when Omar was gone.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah :(

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Killing of Stringer Bell sucked

He was probably my favorite character.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree.

I thought the McNulty story was pretty funny though.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

ST:TNG was only nominated for outstanding drama once, in its last season. Its last season was also one of its worst.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I tend to think noms in the last season of many shows

are just for the body of work of entire shows especially ones that were totally over looked in the seasons that should have been nominated.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

At least ST:TNG always won the technical awards.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

For the record:

5
3
4
6
2
7
1

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

No way.

8
5
7
6
3
4
2
1

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

well it's not like it's important

since DS9 was the best anyway

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Overall, DS9 was probably better in an aesthetic sense,

but TNG will always be my favorite.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Loved DS9

But it’s such a different show from TNG that I have a hard time comparing them.

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by EmersonCR on Jan 20, 2012 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

/therewasno8

Nice try though.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

first contact?

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

If the movies were a season,

they’d be below the bottom.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

/passes out

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

OH HELL NO

The JJ Abrams reboot was terrific.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

The TNG movies.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh okay...just because

well Wrath of Khan…

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Most of the TOS movies are good. That cast worked much better in a film because it’s basically three guys and everyone else. TNG just didn’t translate to film very well.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Most of them are terrible. All of them completely mess with most of the characterizations of these great characters that they’re almost like a pastiche of the show.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

first contact was awesome

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

As a movie it is ok,

as a continuation of the themes and characters of TNG, it’s not very good. I like it though.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

after yesterday,

he might have a heart attack

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes. Yes it was.

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes it is, even though it doesn't make a lick of sense.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I liked Nemesis

There has to be at least one other person…

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by Yokel on Jan 20, 2012 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sure there does, actually....

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

You know what, I like it too.

As long as I don’t think about it as a Star Trek movie too much. As a scifi movie, it’s actually quite enjoyable.

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by EmersonCR on Jan 20, 2012 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Fair point.

I think either way, it needed Patrick Stewart.

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by Yokel on Jan 20, 2012 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Most things are improved with Patrick Stewart

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Except Dune.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

haha

very, very true. The saga of dune is far from over.

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by EmersonCR on Jan 20, 2012 2:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Wait, he was in Dune?

Like the DeLaurentis version?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

he played gurney halleck

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh wait, you're right!

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by EmersonCR on Jan 20, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I think the point is

even he could not have made it better.

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by EmersonCR on Jan 20, 2012 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't remember him at all.

I remember Dean Stockwell, Sting, Kyle Maclachlan but I don’t remember him. Huh.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

He’s barely there. He plays what is, in a sense, an unimportant character in the book. Considering that the movie only lightly adapts the book, he is all but forgotten.

Stockwell and Sting play central characters to the narrative.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

"Let's make Patrick Stewart a glorified extra

and give a lead role to a rock star with basically no acting pedigree".

#ideasthatseemevenworseinhindsight

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 2:54 PM MST up reply actions  

well that could be said about anything

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

That was my order if TNG seasons from best to worst.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Star Trek: The Next Generation

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

huh?

does not compute

The off-season sucks.
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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Although Season 6 and Season 2 are really close for me. There were just a few really horrible episodes in Season 2 and it was also cut short by the strike.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

and those uniforms...

/shudder

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

YOU LIKED 5 BEST TOO?! <3

I thought I was the only one. 5, 4, 6, 3, 7, 2, 1

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 2:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I think 5 is generally considered the second best after 3.

Darmok, Ensign Ro, The First Duty, I, Borg, and Inner Light are all some of the best high-Trek.

Along with great fun episodes like Cause and Effect, Conundrum, Disaster and Power Play.

It’s my favorite season of any Trek series.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

You really ARE a Trekkie.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I own every episode of every series.

I have watched every episode at least twice, including the Voyager episodes, most of which are terrible.

I have seen most TNG episodes more than ten times I would guess.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 2:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Well there you go!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

seasons 5 and 6 of DS9 are my favorites

also season 4 of enterprise

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

You got through seasons 1 and 2 of enterprise?

I couldn’t bear it, myself.

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by EmersonCR on Jan 20, 2012 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

it's worth it after the early struggles

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 2:40 PM MST up reply actions  

I like Enterprise.

But I wasn’t in the States for all of the controversy that it stirred up. Watching it for the first time five or six years after it premiered made me like it.

It beats Voyager.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

this
It beats Voyager.

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I think Voyager kind of got a bad rap.

It wasn’t great but I thought it was better than Enterprise.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree

Especially the later years of Voyager, imo. Once they got rid of the uberannoying Kes the series improved incredibly for me.

Enterprise? I never connected to it. The first few episodes put me to sleep and I kind of gave up on it…

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree with all of this.

Of course my like of Voyager had a lot to do with having a bit of a crush on Chakotay…..

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I had 7 very strong reasons for liking it...

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL I can understand that

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

It's definitely the worst for me.

Good ideas with poor execution most of the time. It was another series that I didn’t watch until after it was off the air outside some of the first season.

I think my wife likes it though.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 2:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Perhaps I'll have to give it another try

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by EmersonCR on Jan 20, 2012 2:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I’ve watched the series completely twice. It’s definitely Trek. The issue is really with the casting. The actors aren’t very good compared with TNG and DS9. They also don’t have very good chemistry as a group. It really takes away from the feel of the show.

That being said, there are some pretty good episodes, and not a lot of truly terrible ones that you find in all of the other series. It just doesn’t have a lot of really high points.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

"I am Locutus of Borg"

“You will respond to my questions.”

This is what my college roommate and I would say when our computers weren’t working. We also watched all seven seasons together, even though we’d seen most of them before we knew each other. Good times.

And yes, Darmok is a great, great episode.

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by EmersonCR on Jan 20, 2012 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Four is generally considered the best, followed by three or six.

Five is generally left out.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting.

I must not be tied into nerdom enough. I really only watch the shows. I don’t read novels or dress up or anything. I always thought I had head that 3 was considered the best. It’s certainly the season that establishes the series.

Four is pretty good. There’s just a few too many crap episodes thrown in for my taste.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

A lot of people love 3, mostly because it is the most notable paradigm shift in the show's creative control.

New budget, no more Maurice Hurley, etc. But it’s not a fantastic season.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Season 3 really doesn't have a bad episode.

There are two that are a little weak, but the rest are between good and great. I guess I count bad episodes against a season more than I count great episodes in a season’s favor.

I don’t feel that Season 5 has any bad episodes either with only one really weak one in The Outcast.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Even as a defender of season 5, I think The Game, New Ground, Hero Worship, Imaginary Friend...

…. and ESPECIALLY Cost of Living are all poor episodes, and all worse than The Outcast.

As for terrible Season 3 episodes: The Bonding, The Vengeance Factor, Captain’s Holiday, Menage a Troi

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Menage a Troi? really?

was that penned by Ron Moore?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

No, but The Bonding was the script that won him his staff writing job on TNG

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

The Game? I think that’s a fun episode. New Ground, Hero Worship, and Imaginary Friend aren’t poor to me. They aren’t great, but they’re interesting.

Cost of Living is pretty bad. I thought that was earlier.

I like those Season 3 episodes, especially Captain’s Holiday.

In Season 4 I always thought that The Loss was a terrible episode.

You should scrap the idea for a film site and we can just review every episode of Star Trek. I always wanted to do that.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Funny you should say that, as I am actually watching Trek in chronological release order for the first time right now.

We could definitely add that component to the website when it is launched.

At least we agree on The Loss.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:34 PM MST up reply actions  

I've done that twice.

I was considering starting a third time over the last few days. I’ll start taking notes.

Are you going to interweave the overlapping series or watch each series straight through?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm overlapping by air date/theatrical release date

So I watched The Final Frontier between Up the Long Ladder and Manhunt, for example. Once DS9 begins, I’ll be watching it alongside TNG and then VOY based upon initial air date. I’m discounting production order.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I've done both.

The interweaving gets annoying when you get to Voyager. The disconnect between VOY and DS9 becomes disruptive. I liked it better when I watched the series straight through.

I actually considered reviewing them all on my own. I even came up with a 25 point rating system based on 5 five-point rubrics. I just didn’t know who would want to read them, so I didn’t post them on the site that I used to have.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 3:41 PM MST up reply actions  

I've already watched each series straight through on their own.

I am doing this mostly for historical context.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:43 PM MST up reply actions  

As for reviewing them, I've already done so, but I use the same four star rating system for TV episodes as I do for films.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I was doing:

Writing
Direction
Performances
Ideas
Trekness

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

The Wire

GREATEST SHOW ON TELEVISION. EVER.

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So Say We All

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Wrong.

That is and always will be reserved for Arrested Development.

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Don't you start!

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

How bout a compromise here?

I mean we are barely over the Great Catcher War. Even though I’ve not seen AD…for the sake of peace on the Row….

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Sure.

Even though I don’t agree with the Greatest Comedy EVER part.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

(nor do I.....)

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

you can't be the jude

if you haven’t seen it.

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by hotdoglady on Jan 20, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I've watched several episodes.

I should have been more clear. It wasn’t my cup of tea

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

You can't judge the show

based off of one episode. You really have to view it in it’s entirety to grasp the awesomeness of it. And after you make it through once, watch it again and you pick up more stuff that you missed the first time around.

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by hotdoglady on Jan 20, 2012 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

that sounds like an awful strategy for a television program

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

How many cancled shows

get the second chance that they are years after it ended?

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by hotdoglady on Jan 20, 2012 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

not many

most shows that are cancelled deserved it

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

bring back Shasta McNasty!!!!

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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2012 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

kind of if you are saying that they aren't

ever going to be popular I would agree, if you are saying they all aren’t good you are wrong.

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AD was one of the most

critically acclaimed shows at the time it was canceled.

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by hotdoglady on Jan 20, 2012 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh I do not concur.

There are scads of shows cancelled because of low ratings not poor quality.

See: Terriers, probably Community, Firefly

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Ed.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

i mean in tomcat's sense

that shows that get cancelled seem to do so because of ratings, not quality

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

although i personally never got AD

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

AD is awesome but probably not for everyone

Gob alone makes watching that show worth it. Given the way television is made it amazing that anything other than the lowest common denominator get made.

Firefly, Family Guy, Futurama, Stargate there are plenty of shows that were canceled before they find their audience.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Stargate?

Isn’t Stargate STILL on?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

the Fox version was cancelled

found a second life on Cable…Ditto JAG

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

But that doesn't mean they "deserve" to be cancelled

IMO. There are many factors as to why shows get low ratings. Networks keep moving them around, change time slots, don’t promote them or the show is bad. I adore “Fringe” but they kept moving it around so much that I think it might be cancelled after this season.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

"Titus" is a really good example of how

a network can kill a show

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

The Neilson ratings are an aggravatingly outdated system.

Especially considering how many people TiVo things or watch them online.

by Shoemaker on Jan 20, 2012 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

things like Hulu and Netflicks are just

ignored

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I give the BBC credit. They use their version of Neilson (BARB I think it’s called) combined with iPlayer for time shifted ratings before they decide to keep or cancel shows. As well as something called Audience Appreciation Index that is a quality rating. I think cable networks in the US seem to use live airings combined with DVR/TiVo same and next day numbers too. Also subscribers numbers seem to matter also.

But the regular networks still seem to go by Neilson’s…dumb..

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Apple TV will probably fix this

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

funny

I just got contacted asking to be a “nielson” family

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 5:23 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

I did Nielsen last year

Or the year before. Anyway, you can enter anything you watch on DVR in the book whenever you watch it.

You’ve got a point for the Hulu-type stuff, though.

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Family Guy

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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2012 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

This was the craziest story of a

show’s resurrection.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

too bad it’s been terrible since it came back. sigh…

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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2012 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

family guy?

consistently hilarious and raunchy

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

was cancelled

found a second life on Adult Swim and DVD

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah, i know

i was questioning how resolution could think family guy has been terrible since it came back, which was like 10 years ago

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

It has become pretty formulaic and

predictable. Seth has his fingers in to many pies and his flagship show has suffered

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

sounds like you're expecting too much of it

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

No I just really liked it when it first came

out. It certainly doesn’t suck but anything that predictable becomes tiresome.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

It came back in like late 2005? Early 2006?

I haven’t dug it. It’ll make me chuckle from time to time but when it first was on, all I would do is laugh. I agree with TomCat that it got formulaic, or I though they tried to milk too many former gags way too much. Plus there has to be some dilution of content with stuff spread out across 3 shows…

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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2012 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

the thing is,

it’s great the first time through. it also rewards multiple viewings.

a common criticism is that it was difficult to join in because storylines were rarely self contained in one episode. I can’t really speak to that becuase I started at 1 and went through. but there were continuing stories along with single episodes, like every good show.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 1:07 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I tried Season One

and I just didn’t get the humor I guess.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Me neither.

I don’t get 30 Rock or Portlandia either. They’re just weird.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

You're supposed to watch them

because they’re on tv. And 30 Rock has famous people. Famous people on tv is awesome.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

famous people on tv

making a show about TV

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 1:07 PM MST up reply actions  

I do like Tina Fey but that's the only thing I like about that show.

Alec Baldwin creeps me out for some reason.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 1:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Probably because he's Alec Baldwin

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by Yokel on Jan 20, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Ooohhh, that's why!

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I like both in bits but I don't

watch either religiously

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 1:07 PM MST up reply actions  

I've not seen Portlandia

but I loved 30 Rock for the first few seasons. Now I just check in occasionally. Oddly, I get 30 Rock but I don’t get Parks and Rec…

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm almost positive I've asked you this before,

but have you watch any episodes of Parks from the 2nd season on?

Because it’s amazing and nothing like the first season.

by Shoemaker on Jan 20, 2012 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I have. It's been hit or miss

as to whether I like the episodes. Kind of like “The Office” now.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:21 PM MST up reply actions  

i realize the charm if the office

is in its awkwardness, but I find it uncomfortable to watch.

Is it April yet?

by Rosenort on Jan 20, 2012 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree 100%

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

i love the office now

james spader is so great

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm actually really loving him on it too.

It has a different energy with him.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed

he’s sooo weird but in a less annoying way than Michael

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 1:26 PM MST up reply actions  

OMG

I’ve cried from Portlandia before – probably just because I went to school in Boulder and, while the show is obviously a caricature, so much of that weird crap goes on in real life.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I lived in Portland for a few years

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Fawlty Towers would like a word

As would Monty Python’s Flying Circus

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

there you go

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

meh

community is better. the anime foosball scene was pure genius

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 5:20 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Agreed.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Firefly.

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by Yokel on Jan 20, 2012 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Good as it was

I think a show needs to have a longer run than 3/4 of a season to be called the greatest show ever.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Greg the bunny

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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2012 2:27 PM MST up reply actions  

No one has mentioned Cowboy Bebop, I see.

That’s on my shortlist for greatest TV show ever.

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by EmersonCR on Jan 20, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

love love love cowboy bebop. might be the only tv series I own on DVD

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 5:25 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

every city sucks if you only go to the worst parts of it. I went to Camden and didn’t see Avon, Marlo, or Wee Bey anywhere though.

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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 AM MST up reply actions  

What about Omar?

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 11:27 AM MST up reply actions  

He was playing SS for the Indians.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

He shouldn't see Omar by rights.

Omar keeps to the shadows no?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

The cheese stands alone.

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

I do it with a shotgun, you do it with a briefcase.

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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

My favorite Omar scene of all.

The tie he bought was just awesome.

The off-season sucks.
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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

I didn’t see Omar or any of the other dead people either. Would’ve liked to see Stinkum and Wallace though.

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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

I saw Wallace in the last two seasons of Friday Night Lights. It made me happy.

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 11:29 AM MST up reply actions  

I am glad anytime the Pogues gets played on TV/Radio

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

hooray!!!

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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2012 11:34 AM MST up reply actions  

I heard the Mets signed him as depth

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 11:32 AM MST up reply actions  

“well, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii……..”

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 11:31 AM MST up reply actions  

that always annoyed the crap out of me

my least favorite character!

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Agree about the character

but that always did make me laugh

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Did you check jail?

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 2:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Marlo's out, yo.

The off-season sucks.
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I was at the game in Cincinnati.

I promised my friend we’d see good pitching. And we did.

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by KelseyC on Jan 20, 2012 2:09 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

We could even throw in Street, Ubaldo and Iannetta

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That is too much.

Maybe if we asked for Dice K as well.

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by hotdoglady on Jan 20, 2012 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

I don’t do a deal unless we get Dice K Youk and Trot Nixon.

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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2012 10:56 AM MST up reply actions  

what is really funny is that they might have considered a Smith, Street, Iannetta and Stewart package

I don’t thing they would consider Chatwood, Outman, Moscoso, and Nick Schmidt

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What if we threw in Colvin and LeMahieu?

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

guessing that their AAA is full

but Smith, Iannetta and Street would all have upgraded their positions for Bosox

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Wait, we're trading Smith???

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 11:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Extending RafBet is going to look kind of dumb I think

He’s kind of old, we have an in house replacement, and spending this much money on multiyear deals for bullpen guys always seems to backfire on O’Dowd.

Plus you wonder how valuable his fastball will continue to be.

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by biondino on Jan 20, 2012 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

is it his genitalia

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I'll be really upset

If the Rockies Postgame Show gets moved to Cinemax. I already pay too much for cable.

by Northsider1964 on Jan 20, 2012 11:14 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Well, this deal is essentially the same as what Raffy was given last year

As well as Belisle and Lindstrom. Those have worked out just great. It’s not a whole lot of money really.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

barring some quick dropoff in skills, I like the signing. We were set to lose a couple of pieces from the bullpen after next season (two out of Raffy, Lindstrom, and Belisle – just can’t remember who still had an option), but now our pen remains strong for the next couple of seasons…hopefully…

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by Resolution on Jan 20, 2012 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Like I said above

You’re basically securing him at a well-paid setup man’s salary. So if he gives you a couple of strong years as a closer, it’s a huge bargain. If he shows some decline and just ends up in the 7th and 8th inning mix, you’re still not overpaying him by a huge amount. Seems like a good hedge on O’Dowd’s part, without much downside.

by Northsider1964 on Jan 20, 2012 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Extending RafBet looks good to me

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 11:18 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

it's cheap enough

that it will be almost impossible to get too hurt by the contract

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

It’s not that expensive, it’s not for that many years, and RafBet is really good, so I happen to like the extension.

by squalene203 on Jan 20, 2012 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

There is some risk here

But as long as this deal doesn’t block Brothers from ascending to the closer role whenever he is ready I like it. He’s been of the better relievers the past couple years, let’s keep running with him.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: Etta James has died.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 11:02 AM MST reply actions  

Yep I saw that. Great voice. RIP

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

My favorite tune by her:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-59strhDLY

Written by Gordy, later founder of Motown.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Jamie Moyer loved listening to her

when he was growing up

2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?

by maris61 on Jan 20, 2012 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Jamie Moyer loved listening to her when he was growing up sing to him when she was a child.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I am very excited about the news of Nicasio's terrific recovery

So rooting for him to make the rotation out of ST.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 11:21 AM MST reply actions  

rec

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

+1

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey smart computer folk:

my browsers are all messed up. if I open any of them that are on my computer (firefox, IE, chrome) I immediately get the error that “_ experienced an unexpected error and needs to close.” I can choose to send or not send the error report. then it closes.

Fixy fixy fixy?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM MST reply actions  

did try clearing all your cache, cookies, etc?

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

I’ve done disk cleanup, disk defragment, and system restore.

Nothing will stay open long enough for me to clear anything from within the browsers.

I’m posting this from inside a system I use but it’s slow as RafBet joke goes here so I’d like to “work” outside of the system if I could.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 12:00 PM MST up reply actions  

you could use a utilities program to clear data from outside the browser

do you have any of addons/toolbars/extensions that might be harmful?

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll try that.

I keep things pretty clear as far as toolbars or extensions.

Thanks.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 12:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I use CCleaner to clean up extra garbage from the interwebs.

and you should uninstall and browers toolbars you have installed.

Is it April yet?

by Rosenort on Jan 20, 2012 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

This this this. I love CCleaner

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I also recommend Malwarebytes

Also free.

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by EmersonCR on Jan 20, 2012 1:57 PM MST up reply actions  

But would I have to download it?

therein lies the rub.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Do you have another computer to use.

Can you get to hotmail?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

yep, hotmail's working fine.

but can only get to it from inside this browser in this system. anything I would download from here would not be outside the system.

in summary, my computer is all jacked up.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

What about this?

Do you have a smartphone? Maybe you can download it via the smartphone?

I have no idea if you can but it’s just a thought…

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

but how would I get it on my computer?

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Thumb drive

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

true, I could try to get on someone else's machine.

that might work.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 12:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't have a smartphone so I don't know ifyou can even do this kind of thing

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

You can clear you cache manually

for firefox C\ user\username\Appdata\Local\Maziila\firefox\profile and delete everything in there.

IE C\User\username\Appdata\local\Microsoft\Windows\Tempararyinternet file

username would probanly be your name or however you’re registered on the computer

by 3nS on Jan 20, 2012 1:28 PM MST up reply actions  

That's just the internet cache.

He could have spyware, registry issues and other temp files that could be causing problems too. Even plugins might make it barf.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Dang. The nuclear option is never good

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Shut up and reboot.

(Dilbert joke)

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I am an IT guy in real life

You would be suprised how open rebooting solves problems.

Is it April yet?

by Rosenort on Jan 20, 2012 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

That has been my experience as well.

But it is a very funny Dilbert strip that to this day I have a copy of . Especially have worked in support myself.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Man that's the worst.

A few months ago my computer was constantly powering down. I ordered a new adapter for like 10 bucks off Amazon and it’s been perfectly fine.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I did try that one.

no dice.

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by frightened inmate #2 on Jan 20, 2012 1:54 PM MST up reply actions  

1-800-GEEK-SQUAD

My browser wouldn’t open at one time and I tried everything and finally had to take it to someone to get everything backed up and the hard drive wiped clean.They said it was a virus.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Ryan Howard 2011 stats .253/.346/.488 with 11.6BB% 26.7K% 33HR Bad D Salary 25 Million
Carlos Pena 2011 stats .225/.357/.462 with 16.7BB% 26.6K% 29HR Good D Salary 7.35 Million

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:09 PM MST reply actions  

this is why Andrew Friedman is a genius

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Because he let Pena go

and he played for the Cubs in 2011?

2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?

by maris61 on Jan 20, 2012 12:14 PM MST up reply actions  

The guy he got to replace Pena was pretty marvelous as well

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

That was luck, not genious

Didn’t Kotchman start the season on a minor league deal? I could be wrong but I don’t think anyone expected that type of season from him, including Friedman.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Which, of course

was exactly the same thing that happened with Pena, a cast-off who became a star.

Just luck, though.

2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?

by maris61 on Jan 20, 2012 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Pena had a better track record than Kotchman

Kotchman had gone through a number of down seasons leading heading to TB. Pena’s success had been much more recent.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 12:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Not really

Pena was considered a top prospect for awhile, but he largely failed with 4 different teams & was on the scrap heap when TB picked him up for basically nothing.

2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?

by maris61 on Jan 20, 2012 12:33 PM MST up reply actions  

very Big Papiesque

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Pena had been not living up to his expectations but he had been coming off a couple seasons where he was starting to display some of his power. He had been on an upswing going into the TB deal, though that upswing is arguable a matter of degree.

Kotchman had had his best seasons a while ago, his seasons since then had been a drop in production and it was looking like his best days were behind him. I really don’t think Friedman could have expected his resurgence last year, at best he hoped he could rebound some.

Not knocking Friedman by an means, I think he is great. Just don’t think the Kotchman signing was anything more than a lucky gamble.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree it was lucky

Kotchman had an unsustainably-high BABIP on ground balls, aided by the turf at the Trop. He’ll regress.

But it’s interesting that the Rays hit on so many longshot chances, and do so without expensive multi-year contracts.

2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?

by maris61 on Jan 20, 2012 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Luck is when something happens once

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Zobrist, Pena, Kotchman, Shoppach, Damon, Manny, Sean Rodriguez, Matt Joyce

Jaso, Hawpe, Dan Johnson, Kapler those are all guys who are patient hitters with above average BB% It isn’t luck it is a philosophy

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Add Aybar, Gross, and Zaun to that list

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

"Luck is when preparation meets opportunity"

Kotchman was an awesome buy low candidate much better than say Mike Jacobs

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

The Magic of Casey Kotchman

who has an amazing “career year”, possibly as a result of a vision correction, but hasn’t found a job yet for 2012, because everyone figures it must be a fluke. Or he’s asking too much.

I think he’d be a reasonable bet for some team, especially w/ an incentives-laden deal.

2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?

by maris61 on Jan 20, 2012 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

he probably ends up with Detroit

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

That would make sense

2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?

by maris61 on Jan 20, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

he is probably a better 1B than Miggy

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

kotchman is a decent defender

but cabrera is such a better hitter that it doesn’t come close to mattering

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Cabrera will DH

with VMart out

2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?

by maris61 on Jan 20, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Right Kotchman can replace Martinez as a DH/1B

they have already signed a backup C

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

doubtful

he’s DHed 6,6,2,and 7 times the past 4 years; miggy is the kind of guy who probably needs to be on the field to play

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

they haven't had another better 1B option on the team during that time

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

that's a catch-22 though

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

how so?

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

well maybe not quite catch-22

but, why sign another 1B when you’re paying arguably the second or third best 1B in baseball $150m?

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

because your DH is out for the year and the best FA

cheap hitter happens to be a better 1B than Miggy

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

i was referring to the past several years

where he’s seen as much DH time as jason giambi has with us.. cabrera strikes me as the kind of hitter who benefits from playing in the field and might struggle with DHing full time

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

that might be true but if they sign Kotchman

we will likely find out. Miggy strikes me as someone who might pout or be angry about the loss of MVP votes a move to DH would cost him

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Baseball reasons aside

I’d be shocked if Cabrera would accept a switch to full time DH. And I really doubt a team would ruffle the feathers of their co-franchise player and force him to do something he didn’t want to do.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

and we've already seen how much of headache hanley has been about it

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

because he found Pena who got 10 million in FA 2011... had a better season

then was resigned for 3 million less with the Rays

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Friedman's making an interesting bet

That the difference between what he’ll pay Pena ($7.25 mil) & whatever Kotchman ends up signing for (probably a couple million less) will be justified by greater offensive production by Pena. (They’re both good defensive 1B’s.)

I’m not so sure. I know OBP > AVG, but Pena hit .196 the last time he played w/ TB (2010). He strikes out a lot & can’t do much but bunt against the overshift teams have learned to employ against him.

I really think this is an overpay by TB, but taking the other side of a bet against Friedman is usually a losing proposition.

2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?

by maris61 on Jan 20, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

nothing to say Kotchman isn't coming back too. Luke Scott is no sure thing health wise

Kotchman had a great season but he probably is asking for at least 5 million per

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Rays are tapped out at $60 mil

2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?

by maris61 on Jan 20, 2012 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

because he got kotchman for nothing

and they produced basically equivalent value, 2.6 vs 2.8 WAR

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Because he paid 18 million more for arguably the best roster in baseball than the Red Sox

paid Carl Crawford last year.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:21 PM MST up reply actions  

With the Pena signing

TB’s payroll has exceeded $60 million. That’s really a stretch for them, because they can’t count on even a successful season putting many more fans in the stands. Pena was a popular guy there, though, so maybe he’ll help in that respect. As may native Floridian Luke Scott, if he brings out all the gun nuts.

2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?

by maris61 on Jan 20, 2012 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

not really they had a 71 million dollar payroll in 2010

I am sure they have banked plenty of resources having been in the playoffs 3 of the last 4 seasons. Being run by a finance guy means not that you can’t spend money rather that you can’t spend it frivolously

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Subject line would have been appreciated

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

lol howard had way more RBIs

he’s a much better hitter

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

RBIs don't count, according to the sabres

They only count on scoreboards it seems.

2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?

by maris61 on Jan 20, 2012 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

We might have been able to count more RBIs on the scoreboard when Pena batted

If he had more guys on base

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

i think i got you

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2011/9/11/2417728/an-in-depth-look-at-ryan-howards-rbi-opportunities


So Howard does not seem to have the ability to hit notably better with RISP, indicating that this year’s performance in that situation has been a fortunate fluke.

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Rafael Betancourt has got nothin on Slow Joe Doyle
When his team was at bat on hot days, Doyle would sometimes lie down on the tarpaulin and nap, but he earned his nickname by being one of the slowest workers ever to take the mound. In addition to stalling, he relied on a “drop” (a sinker), a “raise ball,” and a spitter

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 12:25 PM MST reply actions  

This Rockpile is fantastic

Take my recs, take all of them!

Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton

by MattBerger on Jan 20, 2012 12:31 PM MST reply actions  

For the record, Ian Stewart will wear #2 with the Cubs

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 12:44 PM MST reply actions  

OT: SOPA PIPA is dead for now.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46072484/ns/technology_and_science-security/#.TxnFwYEr560

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:52 PM MST reply actions  

don't post stuff like that here do you want this site getting shut down?

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

What?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Kidding of course

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh okay. Whew...I thought I violated a new rule...

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Damn Doughboys

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

MMMMMM SOPA-PIPA

the most delicious government overreach ever

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 1:04 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

especially with a little honey

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

LOLOL

Okay that’s awesome

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Casa Bonita has a Sad.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Glad to see Raffy(aka Swinger)-think about it-got extended. Thought all that took was a little blue pill?

Now, with that being said. Does this mean that my 8 year old’s bedtime will have to made later so he can watch the end of the game.

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by Roxman4ever on Jan 20, 2012 1:04 PM MST reply actions  

OT: ZOMG Trader Joe's coming to Colorado

http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_19780062

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:39 PM MST reply actions  

I saw a werewolf drinking a piña colada at Trader Vic's

and his hair was perfect.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 1:45 PM MST up reply actions  

eh?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

that's what i thought

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 1:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh...got it.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I saw a werewolf with a chinese menu in his hand

but you stole the best line already.

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by EmersonCR on Jan 20, 2012 1:49 PM MST up reply actions  

you better stay away from him

He’ll rip your lungs out Jim.

Is it April yet?

by Rosenort on Jan 20, 2012 1:50 PM MST up reply actions  

heh

I’d like to meet his tailor

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by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Exciting second only to the upcoming arrival of Alamo Drafthouse

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 2:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Never heard of that one but I hppe Trader Joes lives up to the hype.

So far I don’t think Ikea or H&M have.

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That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Alamo Drafthouse is one of the most famous small theater chains in the country.

Alamo Drafthouse

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

How is there not one of those in EVERY city in the nation?

No seriously.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

If they did that, then they wouldn't be cool anymore. :D

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

UGH. Cool things can be popular dammit!

Like sunglasses. Remember when sunglasses were cool and just movie stars wore them. Well look now, EVERYONE wears them. And they are still cool.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Not many wear them as often as I do.

And I only think they’re a little cool. :p

Also it’s not that they’d be more popular. Alamo Drafthouse is already popular.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

But not popular enough to be in LA or San Diego!

How can that be!!!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh it's more than popular enough to be on the coasts.

They just don’t really want to be. The Littleton one is going to be only their second one outside of Texas.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Well that just sounds snobby not cool.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

SoCal having to accuse middle America of being snobby needs to happen more often.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:11 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I think so.

Also, Texas does not quailify as middle America IMO

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Also, Texas does not quailify as middle America IMO

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Then why are they in the American League?

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Confederate spies.

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by Russ Oates on Jan 20, 2012 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Happened even faster than I expected.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not going there....

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Texas is the real America.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Rick? Is that you?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I know!

I didn’t mean it as an insult. Just like a lot of people from Colorado pride themselves on being “different than America” (whatever the hell that means), so do Texans :-)

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Sounds hipsterish.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

They are as hipsterish as a movie theater from Texas can be.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

whole foods >>> trader joe's

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 5:31 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

look how wrong you are.

It’s much more expensive.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 5:35 PM MST up reply actions  

been to both. we will go to whole foods every time. just preference.

many of the things Joes sells, or local Hy-Vee has

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 6:16 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Yeah but Whole Foods is mad overpriced...

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 6:18 PM MST up reply actions  

I can't believe you just used mad in that way

I’m so proud

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 6:23 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Why? It's not like I'm a dolt

lacking language and vocabulary skills.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 6:26 PM MST up reply actions  

I just don’t see a lot of hip hop slang used here

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 6:29 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

It's not limited to hip hop

It’s more an East Coast

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 6:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I heard krs1 use it first I think.

but you make sense. just like how “hella” is a west coast thing.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 7:19 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

icwydt

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 8:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Was that while he was teaching poetry?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 7:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Whole Foods is insanely expensive but I do think you get what you pay for there.

That said, I never shop there because it is so expensive.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 7:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Pitched for the Michigan Wolverines.

Also was their DH, I believe. Future middle reliever

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by Russ Oates on Jan 20, 2012 2:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Putnam made eight relief appearances with the Indians last season as a September call-up after posting a 3.65 ERA and 68/23 K/BB ratio over 69 innings in relief with Triple-A Columbus. The 24-year-old right-hander was recently ranked as the Indians’ No. 10 prospect by Baseball America. He should be ready to contribute in the Rockies’ bullpen in 2012.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

reliever

seems to have a pretty good track record, never a a FIP above 3.40 in the minors

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

glad to be rid of slowey

not sure we needed another right-handed reliever though

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

(/2011)

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

yeah

and with our young rotation, more relievers will be better than not.. but it still feels like we had a pretty good amount of right-handed relief depth

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 2:17 PM MST up reply actions  

this trade also frees up another $2mil in the projected OD payroll, in case that Renck vision of acquiring a 2B actually comes into play

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Well

Oswalt is still out there…

by mkorpal on Jan 20, 2012 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

exactly what i've been thinking since i read your FP

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

ah, good point

so that means we have what, ~$12-14m to match 2011’s payroll?

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

better than Daniel Turpen, the guy we traded to get Slowey.

The plan suddenly becomes clear: corner the market on pitching depth, then trade pitching depth for profit when clubs get desperate

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by Muzia on Jan 20, 2012 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

At the end of the season we'll have to recreate the NBA on TNT's "Who He Play For?"

With pitchers that were Rockies at some point this offseason

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by free7694 on Jan 20, 2012 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL nice

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:16 PM MST up reply actions  

That was quick

I liked the idea of giving him a chance here, his BB walk was sexy and I’d love him around if he could help other guys with their control. That said, he was a guy who had just as good a shot at not having any role on this team as he did at having a role.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

You mean what is his real name?

I think his real name is Fausto Carmona…

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Does this mean Slowey won't be at FanFest?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

This could be a good investment…

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

proof Yu Darvish will be the next Tim Lincecum?

http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/p/sp/ap/38/fullj.c0cd2d024fff9f36b7323e7b7a7c0426/ap-201201200535201465526.jpg

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is it a link about smoking marijuana?

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

No, it's about t-shirts

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Yo Yu

I hear you like weed, so we put some weed on your t-shirt so you can look like Tim Lincecum while you wear a t-shirt.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

It's brilliant is what it is.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

About

to have a bunch of bannings, methinks.

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by Russ Oates on Jan 20, 2012 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Whew

I’m glad I missed it. I totally would have been encouraging all the TV discussion hijinks, even though I’m not a trekkie

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 2:21 PM MST up reply actions  

But are you a Wirey?

That’s what really matters.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:23 PM MST up reply actions  

It's next on my list

After Battlestar galactica – I never really started watching TV until college, hence there’s a lot of historical catching up I need to do. Also, Cat – you watch Justified, yes?

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes I do. I love it.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

LOVED every second of it.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

I was worried how they

match last season’s finale, and set up something good for this season (re Mags)

but boy they did a good job

I love Desmond Harrington (Ice Pick) and really hope he’s back.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes

Even though I think his character in Dexter is one of the most annoying things ever, I like him so far in this role – I love that even though Mags won’t be in this season, people that Raylan has encountered in the past are still going to play a part. I’m always afraid my shows are going to start clean slate during new seasons, and I think they did a good job of combining new and old villans.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

See I love Quinn

because he is so annoying. Him with Angel is a great team. But Dexter was terrible this season IMO

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Okay good

I decided I was finally calling it quits on Dexter after the season before this one – glad I have a like-minded person to validate my choice :-)

That’s definitely a show that peaked season 2 and then had a slow decline through the rest of the seasons.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Well I'll probably

stick with it because well I’ve invested all this time. But they better fix some stuff ASAP

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Dex was definitely down this year

though I thought 4 and 5 were great seasons.

by Teekalong on Jan 20, 2012 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

In season 4

I think John Lithgow carried it – I thought season 5 was solid. I think my main issue is that a lot of the sub-plots involving Deb, Angel/Whats-her-butt, Quinn seemed very disconnected from Dexter’s world. And part of what made the show so much fun was that Dexter had created this life for himself that co-existed with everything going on around him.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

And next season

definitely has to be completely interwoven, with the twist at the end.

by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2012 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't even start me on this season's twist.

What a farce…..

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Heh

They’ve been dodging that bullet the whole run of the show, finally decided to do it

by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2012 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

WITH ZERO LOGIC behind it.

I’m not saying anything else about it.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

True

Lot of illogical things this season…oh well. My only hope is that they say these last two seasons are going to wrap up everything…or something. No clue what they’re trying to achieve.

by ShadowPenguin on Jan 20, 2012 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

"Wirey"

is banned from all future usage.

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by Russ Oates on Jan 20, 2012 2:26 PM MST up reply actions  

*****

oh crap, it’s true…

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 2:26 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Why?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:30 PM MST up reply actions  

It was a joke.

I don’t have the time of day to police comments.

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by Russ Oates on Jan 20, 2012 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

True fans prefer the term "Wire-er"

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, my mistake!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 2:43 PM MST up reply actions  

it's no longer winning...

having already won

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 2:21 PM MST up reply actions  

What would Jesus post?

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 20, 2012 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

He'd post WWJP?

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by Russ Oates on Jan 20, 2012 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

AHAHA

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope just have to rename it Today's OT thread

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by TomCat009 on Jan 20, 2012 2:21 PM MST reply actions  

Guys, can we please talk about the most pressing issue of the day?

According to Renck’s article, Esmil Rogers has added a cutter.

I smell a Cy Young!

by Shoemaker on Jan 20, 2012 2:59 PM MST reply actions  

Considering

Every batter will be able to see the cutter coming because he can’t hide the pitch, I’m not convinced yet. Come back with news that he’s in the best shape of his life and I’ll consider it.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Psh, who cares if they can see it?

Every hitter in the world knows what’s coming out of Mariano Rivera’s hand. Doesn’t seem to help.

It’s a magic pitch!

by Shoemaker on Jan 20, 2012 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

very true

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

That was so yesterday.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

also in the best shape of his career

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 20, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

GTFO! Renck tweets
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Hearing that the Rockies are close to acquiring Boston’s Marco Scutaro. Will keep you posted

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:26 PM MST reply actions  

Rockies close to acquiring Marco Scutaro.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:26 PM MST reply actions  

Beat you! I never beat you!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Upon refresh, you sure did!

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Linky

Here

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

I like that, a lot.

Hell, get Oswalt too and I will officially change my stance on the off-season.

by mkorpal on Jan 20, 2012 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Will you widen it?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe he'll add a leg kick.

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by glaucophane on Jan 20, 2012 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

ME GUUUUUUUUUSTA

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by Hollidayrain on Jan 20, 2012 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

From the department of the obvious department
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Scutaro not a done deal. But Rockies are talking, trying to get it done. He would start at 2B and could hit second in lineup.

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

What's obvious? That it's not a done deal

Or that Renck sent the tweet….

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

The bold part.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought my joke was obvious

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Rule #1

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

You know what...

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Obviously

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 3:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Aw man

I wanted Tracy to put Scutaro out in RF. Maybe Catcher. Where’s his positional versatility?!

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't you give him any ideas. I mean look what we did with EY2

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey he made EY2 a LF

and Wiggy a LF all of his own accord.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Did you get the tix, TG?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

You should add that to your sigline.

In fact it should be the new Purple Row tagline too

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:38 PM MST up reply actions  

No I'm saying if it does happen

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:39 PM MST up reply actions  

no, keep it up

it’ll get him fired faster

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 4:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Meh

I still have faith that Jim can return to the 2009 non-tinkerer that he was.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 20, 2012 3:28 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Hopefully

that way we could keep the better than mediocre guys for ourselves…

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 3:34 PM MST up reply actions  

They are doing this (if it gets done)

more as a salary dump than anything (it would be likely they would sign Oswalt very soon after this deal gets done)

So, probably someone cheap. Maybe one of our spare cheap starters + a prospect.

by mkorpal on Jan 20, 2012 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

So

Fowler
Scutero
Cargo
Tulo
Cuddyer
Helton
Blake
Hernandaz

I like the lineup, very much.

by mkorpal on Jan 20, 2012 3:32 PM MST up reply actions  

No kidding.

Assuming Blake has anything left, that’s a big improvement over what we were running out there last year.

I’m not sure how I would handle decent production at 2B.

by Shoemaker on Jan 20, 2012 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

This would make sense as to why they moved Slowey.

Scutaro is set to make $6 million.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 3:34 PM MST up reply actions  

What an infield

Scutero 36
Helton 38
Blake 38
Hernandez 35

and the baby of the bunch Tulo 27

by 3nS on Jan 20, 2012 3:38 PM MST reply actions  

If I were making an infield out of 35+ players, I'd say that's a pretty decent picking among the available crowd.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 20, 2012 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Perfect for a transition to

Rosario
SOMEBODY at 1B
DJLM
Tulo
Arenado

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 20, 2012 3:42 PM MST up reply actions  

IF Blackmon plays at a top level, can Wheeler move to 1B?

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 20, 2012 3:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Wheeler projects to be a good defender in a corner outfield spot.

I’d guess that they’d convert a less defensively-able outfielder to 1B.

Parker or Matthes would be my first assumption.

by Shoemaker on Jan 20, 2012 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: Potential interview on Tuesday.

Now I feel like I need to cram in preparation. Nervous.

by holly96 on Jan 20, 2012 3:45 PM MST reply actions  

Yay!!!

You’ll be okay!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Way to go

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by jrockies on Jan 20, 2012 5:52 PM MST up reply actions  

This

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

That was fun for a bit

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by Worthington on Jan 20, 2012 3:47 PM MST reply actions  

Doesn't Boston have Jed Lowrie?

We could throw in Herrera if they need a reserve.

by Shoemaker on Jan 20, 2012 3:49 PM MST up reply actions  

they traded him for Mark Melancon

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 3:53 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Oh, right.

Friggin’ Mark Melancon.

by Shoemaker on Jan 20, 2012 3:55 PM MST up reply actions  

God flipper damit.

We were so close to adding a 3 WAR 2B. God, that would be more than the last 5 years at that position combined.

by mkorpal on Jan 20, 2012 3:50 PM MST reply actions  

Wait

Everyone got sad for a bit. do we have a link that says the talks are done?

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 3:53 PM MST reply actions  

Here
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
This is writing in real time… Rox have talked w Red Sox about Scutaro, but it appears now won’t happen. Rox will keep looking for 2B

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 3:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Barf.

Dammit Renck. Should read “Rox will keep looking for 2B now that all of the FAs have been snatched up and nobody wants to trade us for anything ever.”

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 3:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I guess Keppinger is still out there

Not that I’m too excited about him. Scutero would have been absolutely perfect here.

by mkorpal on Jan 20, 2012 3:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

Seems like it would have been pretty easy to just pony up for Ellis or the equivalent… now we’re stuck with the revolving door of (S)crappy, EY2, DJ Math, etc. while we wait for Rutledge.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 20, 2012 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Too bad about Scutaro

But if the price tag for him was high, I can live with the pass.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, it's not the first time

the Red Sox have backed out of a deal with the Rockies. Larry Bigbie had to stay with the team after that mess.

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by Russ Oates on Jan 20, 2012 3:57 PM MST reply actions  

Oh boy, Justin Turner!
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Resetting 2b situation: Rox still looking and more likely they get someone like Justin Turner than Scutaro now…

by Shoemaker on Jan 20, 2012 3:57 PM MST reply actions  

As I just tweeted

If that’s not the case, why not just let DJLM play?

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by free7694 on Jan 20, 2012 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

AKA

Exactly what they said they wouldn’t do

by mkorpal on Jan 20, 2012 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I think this is going to be a very experimental season, we’re going to try a lot of different guys out in hopes that something sticks. I mean, when you have about 25 arms under 25 with as much upside as our guys do, why not spend a season figuring out what a really mean cost-controlled rotation would look like for 2013? I just hate wasting a season to get there. The other guys are just stopgap measures in hopes that the next generation of Rockies will be able to fill their shoes in the next year or so.

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He might not be ready

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by MattBerger on Jan 20, 2012 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

boston backed out of scutaro deal

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 4:02 PM MST reply actions  

it was a fun like 20 minutes

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by papality on Jan 20, 2012 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Recworthy post is recworthy

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Zing!

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by MattBerger on Jan 20, 2012 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

BOOM roasted

I hate the Red Sox, btw.

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by EmersonCR on Jan 20, 2012 6:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Hmmmm. I just learned that Rafael Betancourt's dad has a twitter account, but rafael doesnt

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 20, 2012 5:05 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

hmm

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 5:05 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Hmm

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 5:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Scutaro deal off bc DOD wouldn't pay all of Marco's salary?

http://t.co/6OpYJO3H

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 20, 2012 5:05 PM MST via Android app reply actions  

We still have a $10M decrease in payroll than last year. We have the payroll space.

Boston media is such horseshit.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 20, 2012 5:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Perhaps it had to do with the player(s) we would have been sending Boston? Maybe DOD didn’t think we should have to pay all of Scutaro’s salary because of the quality the player(s) we were going to send them.

by Adam2011 on Jan 20, 2012 5:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Well now we know the Sawx side of the story

you know the Herald was getting exactly the spin on that story that the Bahston front office wanted to give them. No discussion of who the Rockies were willing to surrender (or not willing), no discussion of what Bahston was demanding. The whole thing fell apart because the Rockies were cheap and somebody in Bahston decided to pick up a depth chart?

Could be, but I’m not sure I’m buying it 100%…

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 5:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Well

Renck mentioned it in his latest article.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_19785244

Maybe not all our fault. But still, this is 100% pathetic.

by mkorpal on Jan 20, 2012 5:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll agree that blaming lack of "financial flexibility"

doesn’t really make a lot of sense right now…

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by Junction Rox on Jan 20, 2012 5:25 PM MST up reply actions  

hopefully not too massive

i’ll need to sue someone to pay for my pacemaker, after all

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by papality on Jan 21, 2012 4:23 AM MST up reply actions  

I think its safe to say that the Rockies are cutting payroll this season

so that 82 mil figure from last year’s payroll that we have all been working off of is a little high

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by purplesocks on Jan 20, 2012 5:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep

Looks like it will be closer to 72 million. I really can’t explain why they suddenly have no money.

by mkorpal on Jan 20, 2012 6:01 PM MST up reply actions  

That would be the talk of baseball

It’s really really strange for a team that a) is already league average or below in salary; b) sold 3 million tickets last year; and c) raised prices this year, to cut their payroll.

At the very VERY least that should merit a story and some hard questions. Right, Troy???

by BostonTransplant on Jan 20, 2012 6:03 PM MST up reply actions  

That's now the 3rd or 4th time Renck has written that

Can’t just be lazy, especially since he himself did a payroll calculation a week or so ago that showed how “flexible” we are. He must be getting that from the FO, no? And doesn’t have the guts to ask O’Dowd wtf that doesn’t make sense?

Either that or we’re saving money for a different acquisition. If we’re “inflexible” because of Tulo and Cargo’s future salaries, I’m gonna be royally pissed. You do not play for future obligations with present dollars. That’s not rocket science.

Sigh … I’m confused. Someone help me.

by BostonTransplant on Jan 20, 2012 6:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Well

Demanding answers isn’t Renck’s job. keep in mind he is a reporter, not a fan. He will get the scoop, but he won’t be asking WTF?

by mkorpal on Jan 20, 2012 6:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, sure, he won't say "WTF"

But if you’re a reporter and not just a stenographer/attache of the Rockies PR department, this would be a fairly big story if it’s actually true. This is where having a one-outlet market kind of screws you. He’s really all we have in terms of professional reporters.

That said, I don’t think it’s true. Can’t. I suspect the Sawx asked for a significant piece (Wheeler or White or something like that) and Renck is just assuming stuff or reading into what the FO told him. I dunno. Still think either Oswalt or Jackson makes a lot of sense for us.

by BostonTransplant on Jan 20, 2012 6:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I wish I could believe that

But both him and O’Dowd have very strongly hinted at the lack of money this year.

by mkorpal on Jan 20, 2012 6:35 PM MST up reply actions  

All I can say is that would have to be the story of the off-season

And the fact that no one has written it yet (you’re right, writing’s been on the wall for some time, even if I refuse to accept it) is pretty disappointing. The contrast between this bizarre situation and the swimming-in-money teams with big local TV contracts is just breath-taking.

by BostonTransplant on Jan 20, 2012 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought you were talking about Renck
if you’re a reporter and not just a stenographer/attache of the Rockies PR department

Difficult questions are not in his arsenal. Armstrong was only slightly better. Still wonder who else (if anyone) the Post is going to put on the Rockies’ beat.

by Northsider1964 on Jan 21, 2012 6:12 AM MST up reply actions  

my bet would be Patrick Saunders at this point

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JFK's Quote of the Day:

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by jrockies on Jan 20, 2012 5:40 PM MST reply actions  

Very wise

reading and computers have destroyed my distance vision.

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by EmersonCR on Jan 20, 2012 6:05 PM MST up reply actions  

In lighter news

despite Eric Young Jr. protests, I have decided to ignore him.

by mkorpal on Jan 20, 2012 5:42 PM MST reply actions  

Boooooooooo.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 20, 2012 5:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Is this a Twitter unfollowing dispute?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 5:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I hate you and your stupid gimmick park even in video games, San Diego.......

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Are you talking about OOTP?

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by EmersonCR on Jan 20, 2012 6:05 PM MST up reply actions  

MLB 11 the show

hits moon shot with Wilin Rosario to CF to possibly tie game in top 8th

ball lands in OF glove at base of wall

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

throws controller

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 20, 2012 6:09 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

And this surprises you?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 6:12 PM MST up reply actions  

So. Mad.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 20, 2012 6:15 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

:( sorry man

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by SDcat09 on Jan 20, 2012 6:18 PM MST up reply actions  

At least there is no one in my pen with an ERA 2.4

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 20, 2012 6:38 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Of more than 2.4

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 20, 2012 6:39 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I've got to play that more

as soon as I finish skyrim

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 20, 2012 7:42 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

That was my first thought too

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by jrockies on Jan 20, 2012 6:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting 1998 baseball card

Todd Helton on one side in his AA New Haven Ravens uniform with Kerry Wood on the reverse in AA Orlando Rays uniform (very similar to Tampa Bay Devil Rays colors). Who knew that at the end of the season they would be 1-2 in ROY

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by jrockies on Jan 20, 2012 6:09 PM MST reply actions  

Nothing beats the **FUTURE STARS** card I have of Rene Reyes and Jack Cust

/Todd was robbed

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 20, 2012 6:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I have that one as well

A 3.40 ERA and 233 Ks in 166 IP is really good (I didn’t know his stats until 5 minutes ago) especially for a 21 year old kid. I still think Todd had better season but it’s really hard to argue.

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by jrockies on Jan 20, 2012 6:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Rene Reyes Future Star is like giving Jonny Herrera a future star card

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 20, 2012 6:29 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

you know who else's rookie year was 1998?

jarrod washburn. now there’s a name i bet you hadn’t thought of in a while

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by papality on Jan 21, 2012 4:27 AM MST up reply actions  

How about Travis Lee or Ben Grieve?

Richie Sexson made his debut in 1997 and 49 games in 1998 so he was a rookie that year also.

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by jrockies on Jan 21, 2012 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

I have one somewhere

With Barry Zito and Ben Sheets

Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.

by free7694 on Jan 20, 2012 11:35 PM MST up reply actions  

that's hot

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by papality on Jan 21, 2012 4:25 AM MST up reply actions  

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