Saturday Rockpile: Rockies in Pursuit of Mets' Justin Turner. Yawn.
by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jan 21, 2012 10:01 AM MST
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Rockies Fest is going on RIGHT NOW. I'd kill to be there, mostly because I've never been inside of the Rockies' clubhouse (as the Coors Field tour does not include it), and I hear it's a special, special place. A couple of links for today...
Rockies ship Slowey to Cleveland, push for 2B - Denver Post
As AMart said in yesterday's fanshot, Dan O'Dowd is beginning to use some of the club's surplus of back-end arms to acquire young talent, as in flipping Kevin Slowey, he received an under-25 power arm who could see time in the Rockies' bullpen very soon. In his minor league career, Zach Putnam has struck out almost a batter per inning while only walking 2.6 per nine. He certainly fits the club's mold of high-strikeout, low-walk relievers. In limited big league action (7.1 innings), he has struck out nine batters and walked none.
As for the bottom portion of Renck's piece, apparently the Rockies are highly interested in the Mets' Justin Turner. The 27-year-old second baseman was slightly below league average offensively in 2011, both in terms of OPS+ (93) and wRC+ (97). Defensively, he graded positively in terms of UZR/150 (1.6), but not in Baseball-Reference's Total Zone Rating (-6). Over the course of a full season, I'm not sure Turner is an upgrade offensively over Eric Young Jr., Chris Nelson, or DJ LeMahieu, and he certainly isn't a defensive upgrade over Jonathan Herrera. The Rockies clearly won't be going after an impact player for the position (though they were close to landing Marco Scutaro), so it might be another season of patchwork at second.
Kiszla: Todd Helton hopes the Rockies make amends for "unacceptable" season
To go along with our freshly-written player review on Old Todd, Mark Kiszla has a piece chock-full of quotes from a disappointed Helton, who knows the Rockies squandered away a big opportunity in 2011. As Kiszla says at the bottom of the piece, the Rockies are indeed more dangerous when nobody pays attention to them. Still, with this pitching staff, I don't know about that...
Rockies pitcher Juan Nicasio says he'll be good to go by spring training - Denver Post
Accompanied with a video interview, Renck details Juan Nicasio's progress to this point. Nicasio's story is an amazing one already, and it has a chance of being otherworldly terrific if he's able to experience ANY sort of success on a big league mound. At this point, he looks to be on the fast track toward doing so, and that is just outstanding.
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Nicasio for home opener starter please
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 21, 2012 10:19 AM MST via Android app reply actions 2 recs
This x 1000
It’s really the only reason I bought tickets. I’ve come to hate the Opening Day crowd, too much of which is tragically cool and completely disinterested in the game. But if Nicasio takes the hill for the home opener, it’s a moment I do not want to miss.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 21, 2012 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
I'm not asking
I demand Nicasio start the home opener
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by jrockies on Jan 21, 2012 10:37 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
that is something I might say
step off I’m going to Denver, to my wife for.
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Get well soon Juan.
by Thnikkaman on Jan 21, 2012 3:11 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
JFK's Quote of the Day:
"That last one sounded kind of high to me." ~George Herman Ruth
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point of clarification – that positive UZR for Turner is at 3b. Last season UZR and DRS pretty much thought Turner sucked at 2b (-10.4 and – 11, respectively)…
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Thanks for clarifying.
An even bigger “Yawn.” And a moot point.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jan 21, 2012 7:59 PM MST up reply actions
I chuckled at this:
Lefty Drew Pomeranz has begun throwing off the mound in his preparation for the season. Asked about the battery of candidates auditioning for rotation spots, he joked, “I like that they are almost all right-handed.”
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everyone should go here
www.Twitter.com/rockiesmagicnum
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 21, 2012 11:08 AM MST via Android app reply actions
good stuff from RMN there
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Thanks.
Who else is there? I know TG is there, but he’s not tweeting anything.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
What time does this run tomorrow?
I might go down
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
so moscoso for turner?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I hope not
That trade would really be trading the DIFFERENCE between LeM, Nelson, Herrera or Field and Turner. I’m not sure there’s really much difference. If there is, it’s slight. Not enough to trade a legit ML arm for.
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
oddly close....
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Ideas for 2B trade targets...
How about the Brewers’ Taylor Green or the Nats’ Steve Lombardozzi? Both are more or less ML ready, but are being blocked from full-time jobs by Rickie Weeks/Aramis Ramirez and Ian Desmond/Danny Espinosa, respectively.
Justin Turner will be 27 going into the 2012 season — it’s hard to see him putting up anything better than a league average season next year, which is okay given our 2B situation, but you could get similar production with more upside from Green or Lombardozzi or even one of our in-house candidates, LeMahieu.
In all fairness he was a better hitter than Ellis last year
and has several attributes the FO likes (he can take a walk, doesn’t strike out much), but he’s not good defensively. Field will be in AAA most of the year, and it’s already been established that Herrera is a replacement level player. Turner is an option because the Rockies are seriously looking at the possibility of not acquiring a legit second baseman, and they need insurance in the case that Nelson and DJ don’t hit next year.
Green has started all of 90 games in the minors, and Lombardozzi might start for the Nats if Desmond doesn’t hit again next year, with Espinosa moving to short.
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90 games at second**
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
I don't want Tracy.
to have a ton of pieces to shuffle around all season. lol
"I need to think something lasts forever, and it might as well be that state of being that is a game; it might as well be that, in a green field, in the sun."
Lombardozzi
I like the idea but I don’t think he’s available. I thought I read that Washington was more interested in trying to trade Desmond to allow them to open up a spot for Lombardozzi.
from DOD
“Rockies decided they did not want to take on Scutaro’s $6 million salary”
we couldn’t trade away any of our dead weight? Now we’re looking at Turner, who seems just as good as the rest of our weird 2b options.
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
WaitWaitWait
Dan O’Dowd, the Rockies GM, said that straight out?
What the ? It had better be because he wants to spend some $$$ on a pitcher, because 3 WAR infielders don’t come around very often, and he’s only got a year on his contract.
Where did that quote come from?
by BostonTransplant on Jan 21, 2012 3:02 PM MST up reply actions
I don't have a quote
But everything points to it being true. They didn’t have the budget space to fit Scutero in. It blows, for sure.
Oh that's different
Yeah, that seems to be the scenario that fits the facts best, but it didn’t come out of DOD’s mouth. Their initial story was that the Sox backed off because they don’t have another SS (which, frankly, I was wondering about).
I won’t believe we are working with a lower payroll than last year until I hear it from them directly. It would be very weird.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 21, 2012 3:22 PM MST up reply actions
No thanks on Turner, but I'd take Daniel Murphy
UZR rates him well in limited time at 2B and 3B (TZ says moderately below average at both). He’s played a lot of first in the majors, and has a lot of experience at third in the minors. Definitely versatile, and has the bat to match (.292/.343/.441 line in the majors).
He made $422k last year, and still has 3 or 4 years of team control left. It’d cost a lot more than Turner, but if it was Moscoso + something minor it’d be worth it.
Moscoso + DJ?
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Yeah, I doubt they're really thrilled with the idea of dealing him in the first place
I bet their plan is to play Wright-Tejada-Murphy-Davis this year then Murphy-Tejada-Havens-Davis next year after they deal Wright
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There are only two reasons why a Turner trade might be ok...
1. He’s a career #2 hole hitter.
2. He’s apparently VERY good in the clutch.
RISP – .327/.453/.464 in 110 ABs
RISP w/ 2 outs – .340/.450/.460 in 50 ABs
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yup
this trade rocks
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Renck seems pretty sure this time
The Red Sox are looking to move money to make a move for another pitcher. Scutaro wold start at 2B for Rockies
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if this is true then MLB trades make no sense to me
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Renck just tweeted Scutaro deal back on
R
ockies finishing up a deal for Boston’s Marco Scutaro. A pitcher would go back to Boston. Deal revived today.
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NO WAY! Where did you hear that??!!
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ADAM!!!!!!!!!!
/shaking fist
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More from Renck
Rox desire for Scutaro never changed. Had to work through financial issues to take on his salary. Once that was approved, deal alive again
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So, they had to ask papa for an advance on their allowance?
Or perhaps they have a trade set up elsewhere to move more salary away.
They could potentially move Belisle or Lindstrom
considering who they got for Slowey. But the way Renck worded it, it sounds more like a bump in the budget to get it done.
I don't think we are moving Hammel. I'd be surprised.
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As would I
I was just trying to think about possible candidates that could be traded to clear salary space.
I hadn’t thought about the issue being ownership simply approving addition salary.
its believed to be Mortensen
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 3:49 PM MST up reply actions
agreed
he basically IS the veteran of the rotation right. Would be odd to ship him off
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 21, 2012 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
wow
if we actually get this guy I’ll be thrilled
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 21, 2012 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
I'm watching Twitter like a hawk
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find any small animals on there you can swoop in and pick up?
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
And Renck leaves us hanging!!!
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Have to write… be around later..
RENCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/shaking two fists
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that basically means its done deal right? hes gotta write about it
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 3:49 PM MST up reply actions
I'm thinking so. But but I wanna know NOW!!!!
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i think theres enough smoke on this one
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 3:51 PM MST up reply actions
So what is everybodys thoughts on getting Scutaro?
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We have a contending lineup without any holes.
We just need the pitching to come together.
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arenado/blake….nah, we can have 1 ? in the lineup
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
The combo of Blake/Pacheco/Arenado will do just fine
IMO
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I'll be happy with that
we just need a solid player for 2nd base, hope this falls through
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 21, 2012 3:51 PM MST up reply actions
Blake really could have a bounceback year, unlikely given age, but it is possible, dude is a solid vet who knows what it takes
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
my winning formula is coming to fruition, slug em to death then hope our young pitching will be effective
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
Forget Recreate '68
Revive ’95!
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that we ought to package him and blackmon to the Braves for Prado
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Without considering trade pieces...
…whose better, Prado or Scutaro?
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Prado has more versatility, but I love Scutaro.
He gives us better OBP, a better fit for the lineup, and protection for Tulo if he gets hurt.
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Of course, the ultimate question...
…is a fit for the #2 hitter?
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.350+ OBP before Cargo and Tulo? Yes. Very much yes.
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he plays 2nd base doesn’t he?
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
is prado really going to provide that much more value?
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 3:52 PM MST up reply actions
he is 28 vs 34
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but be able to really keep him longterm?
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
sadly I bet Smith and Scutaro would have done it
and got a reliever thrown in
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okay…Cuddyer is going to end up playing more 1B out of this contract than any other position, so the fact that cuddyer gets compared to Smith all the time is a bit unfair
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 4:00 PM MST up reply actions
Really disagree with this point
There is no way Helton takes a back seat next year if he’s healthy, so Cuddyer even playing 1/2 the time at 1B next year seems unlikely without an injury to Todd. Also, how much time will he get there this year when Giambino is waiting on the bench?
So, the most time will be in 2014 when his bat will be the least valuable.
He is an unpgrade
much preferred than the Herrera, Nelson, Young merry-go-crap
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 21, 2012 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
and gives DJ LeMath the needed time in AAA to polish his skills
the Cubs definitely threw him in the deep end last season
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Great fit for us, glad it is going down
But funny how much hype, talk, excitement there has been over such a marginal player. Feels like this site has gone more gaga over him than they did over the Cuddyer signing, and Cuddyer is the better player. And I am not knocking Scutaro’s abilities, I think he’s solid.
Obviously, I recognize the differences between the two deals and I am one of those who think this Scutaro deal makes more sense than the Cuddyer one. Just amusing how much more support Scutaro got than a former “all star.”
Scutaro fits a decade long drought for an above league average bat at 2B. We’ve been desperate for that answer for years
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For 2nd Basemen
this guy is above average
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 21, 2012 3:55 PM MST up reply actions
the gap between Scutaro and Herrera/Nelson/DJ is bigger
than the gap between Cuddy and Seth especially accounting for the 4 year age difference and the 28 million more guaranteed over the next 3 years
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I would love it
(As long as we don’t give up a fortune to get him)
Well Scutaro would help us big time here because last season we had 437 PA’s taken by guys with an OPS+ below 70. Scutaro would eat a gigantic percentage of those.
This deal would make the Rockies lineup much better than most would first think.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
We gave up Clayton Mortensen...
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
Also
Last year the Rockies OBP from 2B was .304. Scutaro’s career OBP is .332 and that’s not even considering that he’s a low K% hitter moving to the most hitter friendly enviorment in MLB. I LOVE this move.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
And I don't know what I was looking at there
Scutaro’s careeer OBP is .338.
I think with Coors field we have a .350 OBP guy in the #2 hole.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
.358 OBP last year...
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That was the second highest number of his career though
and it occured at the age of 35 in the middle of the Grand Canyon deep Red Sox lineup. I would bet the under on that number, although probably not much lower.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:38 PM MST up reply actions
I'd take a .340 in a heart beat
Anything above .300 is more then what we got last year at the big giant suck hole of suck.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
So we're going to trade like our 14th best starting pitcher
For a quality 2B? I like it!
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by free7694 on Jan 21, 2012 3:53 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
i might put him at lik 16, but yes
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
Sounds like madness for the Red Sox
Couldn’t they ask at least Chatwood or maybe even White?
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 3:55 PM MST up reply actions
we'll trade moyer...
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 21, 2012 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
hahaha Peter King
RT @TroyRenck: Rockies finishing up a deal for Boston’s Marco Scutaro. A pitcher would go back to Boston … I am pissed off.
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Fowler
Scutaro
Cargo
Tulo
Cuddyer
Helton
Hernandez
Blake
That’s a really, really good lineup you guys. Really good.
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by Muzia on Jan 21, 2012 3:59 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
This is a great lineup
I can see Cuddyer going all Dante Bichette on us as well, giving us a legit number 5 hitter. I question if Blake can still contribute, but he was at least worth an invite. If our pitchers hold up, I think its going to be a fun 2012
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Blake will be fine he was way better than what we had last year
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and arenado waiting
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Solid lineup IF...
the older guys in it hold up. If we get health and decent seasons from Helton, Blake, Scutaro, and that other 30+ vet, Cuddy, our offense should click with a healthy Cargo and Tulo each getting 150+ games. If not…….
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if we give him a chance….hes gonna develop i think, personal fav of mine hes got the stuff, just needs some coaching on the mechanics and delivery
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
I do think Esmil is going to be a postive WAR player in his career
However, I think his stuff is better suited for a bullpen role.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Dude, Rogers is like our #11 starter at this point
(DLR)
Chacin
Hammel
Nicasio
White
Pomeranz
Moscoso
Outman
Chatwood
Moyer
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Rogers and Outman are projected bullpen pieces FWIW
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I'm more excited about Rockies baseball right now than I have been in quite some time.
WOW does Scutaro fit this team perfectly
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
Last January might be excepted
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With a Blackmon, Rosario, Giambi, Nelson, and Pacheco projected bench (though I would pick EY2 over Pacheco)
That’s not even fair compared to the rest of the NL West. If we pitch, it’s going to be a fun ride
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I'd keep Pacheco and EY2, and ditch Nelson.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jan 21, 2012 8:05 PM MST up reply actions
outstanding
do we win the offseason now?
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Viva Venezuela!
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 4:06 PM MST up reply actions
Seems legit
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Sox trade Scutaro to Rockies…..Hope that frees up money for Oswalt or Cody Ross. Denver Post first to report deal
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 4:13 PM MST up reply actions
Almost like there was a plan, right?
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I kinda dount DOD could foresee
Clayton Mortenson netting us Marco Scutaro.
But, yeah, I am sure he probably considered the idea that having depth in pitching might open the door for some future moves that might be able to fill holes.
Pretty damn good plan
I was dead wrong that there was no single, coherent plan. If the goal was to wait, stock up, and pounce (which, IIRC, is part of what Rox Girl said a few Sundays ago), then this was execution of that plan to perfection.
Deal is done
Morty for Scutaro.
What a STEAL.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 21, 2012 4:11 PM MST via mobile reply actions
This is highway robbery
And it feels so good
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
ESPECIALLY of the sox
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Straight up Mortensen for Scutaro
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I officially love this offseason.
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by Muzia on Jan 21, 2012 4:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I am right there with you
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
one move for a 34 year old 2B? Don’t get me wrong I like the move, but I hope he doesnt let you down
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
all 2B are 34
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I liked it before this trade. This puts it over the edge.
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I had been on the fence but the most recent Slowey trade
and this one sealed it for me
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Still can't support the Iannetta trade
And not finding a way to get a proven innings eater is another strike.
But other than those 2 things, I can get behind it.
or you could say
having 15 starters can eat many innings…
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
There once was a time he was
But I don’t even know if he makes the opening day roster, let alone how many innings I expect a a 49 year old coming off TJ surgery to provide.
I’ll be rooting for him, but I view him a the Rockies taking a flier on him. I don’t view him as any sort of guarantee.
then
How do you think the Red Sox feel about giving up Scutaro for Mortensen? It goes both ways
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:21 PM MST up reply actions
i like that trade, we have Rosario gottta clear space for him
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
We turned Street’s guaranteed money into Scutaro and Putnam. I really like that.
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The Street trade I haven't been too vocal about
since I found it hard to analyze the move when I didn’t know how to quantify the value that his freed salary offered. But it does appear like that did open the door for this Scutaro signing, so count me in on the favorable side.
As I am..
that hole at 2nd base had been eating me alive and hating this off season. This move makes me feel a lot better
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:19 PM MST up reply actions
Wow. This made my day!
"If I stay healthy, I have a chance to collect 3,000 hits and 1,000 errors."
~George Brett
Best trade for DOD in years
a starting 2B coming off a .299/.358/.423 who can play SS for Mark Ellis money
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Who is Gunna start the Marco chant down at Coors ....
Then who is Gunna make it stop
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MARCO.....
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
POLO!
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
One thing is certain Keith Law is being shaken apart by cognitive dissonance right now.
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I don’t understand this deal for the…Red Sox?
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as he bursts into flames
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by TomCat009 on Jan 21, 2012 4:20 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
hahah suck it on that Keith Law…eat a big fat PURPLE DINGER
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 21, 2012 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
lol I also forgot we had the guy to
that fact that we traded garbage for Scutaro made my day even better
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
It's nice being on this end of a salary dump for once
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this offseason, so many moves have been motivated by money
really, we should think of this like this:
Rockies trade: Street, Mortensen, Turpen and $0.5MM
Rockies get: Scutaro, Schmidt, and Putnam
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 21, 2012 4:27 PM MST via Android app reply actions
Anybody else get the feeling that we are setting ourselves up for another big trade?
I mean we’ve got like 10 pitchers who can compete at the MLB level and a bunch of semi-good (maybe) prospects in Lemehieu, nelson, ey jr, blackmon etc. I think we could easily put together a package to land a garza or jurrjens.
p.s. I LOVE THIS TRADE FOR SCOOTS!
is it summer yet?
With the recent addition, the Rockies are pretty much over the budget
I have a feeling that we are kind of done. Guess we’ll see
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:29 PM MST up reply actions
their projected payroll is still $3-4mil lower than last year
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 21, 2012 4:31 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Ah, well good
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 21, 2012 4:40 PM MST up reply actions
It's possible they still have something up their sleeves.
They can move salary like Hemmel and Belsile to free up more moves.
This is what I'm thinking
IMO this team is just an ace away from being a serious contender this year. Our lineup is going to be deadly and If we’ve got the $$ and the prospects to make a move like this than we’ve got to take a chance.
is it summer yet?
Blake is a non-guaranteed if Pacheco and Nolan impress in ST
several ways to cut a few more million out without really hurting the team.
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No, that wouldnt be the kicker
The best move is once the Scutaro deal is in ink, the Rockies say “Oh Yeah, we really were way under budget, but that is cause we already had a cache of money set aside for Oswalt”
Rockies sign the very player the Red Sox were clearing cash for and go into 2012 with a $90M payroll (a couple ways to cut the $3-4M to make that happen without harm to the team before OD) and have both a solid lineup and promising rotation – plus a iron BP.
Wyoming baseball --- GO GHOSTS!
I don't really have much interest in Oswalt for us
But the idea we could snag from the Red Sox would fill me with much joy.
Honestly, I don't have as much interest as his eventual contract would likely be
As I feel both EJax and Oswalt have enough flaws and question marks that it is not worth the money to sign them and hold back Pom or Chatwood or Rogers or whoever else ready for a break out season they might block. The better route is trading for some proven talent with a bit more reliability.
But the thought of snaking Oswalt out from under the Red Sox would bring a huge smile to my face considering what they did to open cap room for him.
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wow
could you imagine
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Bring on 2012!
Right this minute, dammit. I’m now officially excited about the coming season!
Waiting for spring.
The starting line-up is solid, the BP is solid,
The starting rotation however still need some tweaks. Make is happen Dan
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Jonathon Herrera
With Scutaro’s ability to play SS on Tulo’s days off, Herrera just saw his value to the major league club reduced to just about zero.
I always liked him as he always came across as a hard worker who never took his roster spot for granted, which I always appreciate in athletes. Those are the kind of players that generally root the hardest for. But I will admit that I am glad that the Rockies should now feel absolutely no pressure to give him a roster spot solely because they need him for his SS experience. That is a relief.
If he earns the rotation spot than all the power to him but with this move I think he just went from somewhat likely to being on the opening day roster to rather unlikely.
ZiPS
121
111
101
99
96
That is the the ERA+ Zips projections of the top 5 Rockies pitcher going into this year, before the Seth Smith Deal. Granted DLR 111 won’t be seen until June, this is still a very good rotation. 96, is league average for starters, and that would make our number 5 starter league average. That is a lot better then what other teams run out their at number 5. We can use another 100 ERA+ guy, but the two pitcher we got from Oakland should be close to that I would think.
Mark my words, this team will surprise in 2012.
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by SDcat09 on Jan 21, 2012 5:02 PM MST reply actions 6 recs
#Acquirealltheyoungarms
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by Purple Row Troll on Jan 21, 2012 5:47 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
seriously though
great deal, or greatest deal? this has the potential to rival the holliday deal in return for us
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i'm really happy about this trade
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Er.
I wouldn’t go that far. It isn’t even necessarily the best move of this offseason. It might have the most immediate impact, but this was setup pretty nicely for DOD. He had the leverage this time, and he used it.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 11:38 PM MST up reply actions
ya ive been drinking
so there might be some exaggeration, though it’s definitely only a positive; but i think it’s definitely the best trade DOD has made this offseason, as i have a tough time believing chatwood could out-produce scutaro in 2012 all things considered.
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