Rockies Acquire Marco Scutaro - MLB Daily Dish
Looks like it's a done deal! I'm sure Rox Girl has just oodles to discuss about this, but I'll go ahead and share my one thought:
OK, so the Rockies just made a change:
1. They acquired a player
2. They spent money on said player.
3. The player isn't redundant
4. The player is going to add 2-3 wins to the Rockies' season.
Well done, Dan O'Dowd. Well done.
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hooray!
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by Resolution on Jan 21, 2012 4:34 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Yesssssssssssssssssss
If this was just for Clayton Mortensen then YAY
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 21, 2012 4:34 PM MST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
AWESOME!
So where does this put us lineup wise in the National League? We’re up, but how far up?
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by GreenField on Jan 21, 2012 4:36 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Love this trade!!
Our lineup is going to be deadly next year!
is it summer yet?
by RoxRule-18 on Jan 21, 2012 4:37 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
FINALLY
It’s not Prado, but it’s a pretty good consolation prize.
by alacy9513 on Jan 21, 2012 4:37 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Actually a better WAR than Prado over the last two years
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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by free7694 on Jan 21, 2012 4:38 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I'd think TULO would want Marco at 2nd over Prado
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by idj2 on Jan 21, 2012 4:49 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
This offseason just got a bit brighter.
Talk about a steal…
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by Paleface Destro on Jan 21, 2012 4:52 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
The question of 2012 has been answered
This is not a rebuild year – it is a transition year to the age of Carlos and Tulo. If JDLR was healthy from the get go, the Rockies would get the press they had last year of division favorites. Now they get the best of both worlds – fighting with the underdog status and being just one mid seaason trade for a quality SP away from a team that can win a weak division and roll strong in the playoffs.
Offseason isn’t over, and DoD took some major risks, but so far it is playing well. And best off is the farm is still well intact to keep this moving.
Wyoming baseball --- GO GHOSTS!
by Kris Hansen on Jan 21, 2012 4:52 PM MST reply actions 5 recs
Agree
but getting DLR back mid-season is like making that trade (which might still happen anyway)
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Outstanding job DOD!!!
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2012 5:01 PM MST reply actions 7 recs
This trade makes we want to rec everything
including your post.
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by EmersonCR on Jan 21, 2012 5:02 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
You know what!? I concur!!
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Depth Chart
C: Hernandez, Rosario, Pacheco
1B: Helton, Cuddyer, Giambi, Pacheco, Hernandez
2B: Scutaro, Pacheco, Pacheco, Nelson
SS: Tulo, Scutaro, Nelson
3B: Blake, Nelson, Pacheco, Cuddyer, Scutaro
OF: Cargo, Fowler, Cuddyer, Blackmon, ?
This is a good lineup, it’s a deep one, and a great mix of upside youth and consistent veterans.
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by Muzia on Jan 21, 2012 5:05 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
Mostly because he's awesome
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by Muzia on Jan 21, 2012 5:08 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Needs Even More Pacheco
C: Hernandez, Rosario, Pacheco
1B: Helton, Cuddyer, Giambi, Pacheco, Hernandez
2B: Scutaro, Pacheco, Pacheco, Nelson, Pacheco
SS: Tulo, Scutaro, Nelson, Pacheco
3B: Blake, Pacheco, Nelson, Pacheco, Cuddyer, Scutaro
OF: Cargo, Fowler, Cuddyer, Blackmon, Pacheco
Manager: Pacheco, Tracy
SP: A Bunch of Dudes, Pacheco, A Bunch More Dudes
RP: Pacheco, Pacheco
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by EmersonCR on Jan 21, 2012 5:09 PM MST up reply actions 7 recs
Isnt Pacheco a special ice skating move?
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With a rotation of
Chacin
DLR (once healthy)
Hammel
Nicasio
Pomeranz
And you have guys like White, Outman, Moscoso, and Rogers hanging in the fold. I would like one more pitcher, but overall, we are solid. Young but solid.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
by wolf213 on Jan 21, 2012 5:10 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Outman is the placeholder for JDLR
Trade hammel, place White in there.
I’d dig that.
MOYER IS OUR SAVIOR
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 21, 2012 5:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Very solid.
Hoping they give EY that last spot.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 21, 2012 5:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly, with all the overlap, EY2 isn’t a terrible option for 25th man.
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24th
Giambi already has 25 locked down
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Side note here
This morning the talk was trading EYJr for Turner. I was really sad cause I don’t see anything Turner has that a handful of guys already in the system have. Its not like I am a huge EYJr fan, but it is undeniable he has one tool that is unmatched in MLB. He also improved a lot second half last year and I love his attitude this offseason. He saw what happened to Stewart, Smith, Spilly… he KNOWS the writing is on the wall and he knows he can’t wait until ST to prove himself. He is doing what it takes now and I like that. If he can legitimately prove himself and not rely on sentiment from his father then keep him in purple pinstripes. I still believe he can be a game changer.
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by Kris Hansen on Jan 21, 2012 5:17 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd much rather see EY2 in the 25th spot
His speed late in games is a game changer. I hope he gets a fair chance this spring training. I’m not all that impressed with Pacheco to be honest.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Spoke to it earlier..
…but as someone that is clearly not a fan of EY2 it would be fun for him to embrace a role of a “havoc guy”. He basically never plays defense since he doesn’t have a position but works to become the best bunter/pinch runner in the league. A guy that comes in after the 7th and puts pressure on the pitcher to throw strikes and pressures the defense to not make a mistake.
If he really focuses on using his natural athleticism to become a superior drag/slug bunter (depending on the situation) I can see him single-handedly stealing a couple of W’s. With desperate errant throws sailing down the 1st base line and EY2 ending up on 3rd base. Crowd going insane…how fun would that be?
Just someone take his glove away from him.
by WhiskeyDrinkingMan on Jan 21, 2012 5:32 PM MST up reply actions
I absolutely hear ya
This is why I didnt want to see him traded for a duplicate replacement part. If he comes out in ST and flails, so be it, let him go. But if there is any chance he can add on as a 25th man and be .. lets look at this… 9th inning down by a run but the lineup has Blake/RH/Pitcher coming up
PH EY Jr.. slap a bunt single steal 2nd. Pachecho comes in and advances EYJr to 3rd… now all Giambi has to do is hit a mediocre fly ball to tie the game but is still a threat to win it on a long ball.
He can add value to the team once the position players are set.
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by Kris Hansen on Jan 21, 2012 10:39 PM MST up reply actions
Hard to steal Ws
although Chris Nelson once did
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On second look, that's too many guys.
If you go by the 12 pitcher, 13 position player roster.
MOYER IS OUR SAVIOR
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 21, 2012 7:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
i think there were only 13 position players listed
Hernandez
Rosario
Pacheco
Helton
Cuddyer
Giambi
Scutaro
Nelson
Tulo
Blake
Cargo
Fowler
Blackmon
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MOYER IS OUR SAVIOR
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 21, 2012 8:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I just read the Over the Monster thread when the Scutaro trade was up in the air.
The two possible players going to Boston they suggested were Pomeranz and Tulowitzki.
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by biondino on Jan 21, 2012 5:09 PM MST reply actions 5 recs
how do they feel about Morty? He’s pretty much the same
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by Muzia on Jan 21, 2012 5:09 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
has more ML pitching innings
we could have sent them Moyer instead but that would be overpay.
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Where's Cargo and Aredando in those rumors?
by TChizza on Jan 21, 2012 5:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The must be disappointed
(Although I would be shocked if there was not a corresponding move to this)
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2012 5:28 PM MST up reply actions
Seems an inevitability that Oswalt will sign there by morning
I’m glad to end up with Scutaro for a 1/$6M than Kuroda ($12M) or Oswalt (~$8M).
well it stands to reason, right?
If you got Scutaro, there wouldn’t be any room for Tulo at short, so you might as well trade him.
And when Tulo is gone that leaves a big salary hole you need to fill, so why not take Crawford & Lackey?
by dennet on Jan 21, 2012 6:18 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
my favorite comment I saw over there was the one below because I thin kwe are just about to the same point with the Rox offseason. Time to clap.
<At the end of this offseason
I’m hoping there’s some sort of Jacob’s Ladder kind of "Oh, shit…so THAT’S what was going on!!!!!" kind of revelation.
At which point I’ll stand and clap.
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by Bloggy on Jan 21, 2012 7:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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by realmenwearpurple on Jan 21, 2012 6:22 PM MST up reply actions
DOD said that the 2B situation was waiting for the right veteran two weeks ago.
We found him.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 6:26 PM MST up reply actions
At least for a year.
Until DJLM or Rutledge or Field or someone else is ready to come up.
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by realmenwearpurple on Jan 21, 2012 6:34 PM MST up reply actions
Absolutely love this trade
Maybe I’moff base but I consider this a Mortenson and Street for Scutaro and spare part trade which I’m very pleased about. This went from a meh offseason to a very good one with this one trade.
by TChizza on Jan 21, 2012 5:10 PM MST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I've never been so excited about a slap-hitting middle infielder.
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by EmersonCR on Jan 21, 2012 5:12 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Poor Scrappy :(
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you mean the slap hitting MIF who has a 700PA
average of 40 2Bs and 12 HR over the last three years with a .284/.356/.404 line?
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yup, that one
god i love this trade
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by papality on Jan 21, 2012 10:46 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
so much win
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Just looked at his splits...
His lefty / righty splits are almost identical!
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Oh the Rockies don't have the payroll for Scutaro....
lick my taint Boston media,
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 21, 2012 5:15 PM MST via mobile reply actions 5 recs
So just to sum up....(The big moves only)
1) We’ve added Scuraro, Cuddyer, Blake, and Hernandez to the lineup. (Potentially a couple of others too but these are the four that have me most excited.)
2) We’ve added Moscoso, Outman and Chatwood (we’ll see where they start the season anyway) to the pitching mix.
3) We have only given up three pieces that prodeced an fWAR over 1.0 last season (Iannetta, Smith, and Ellis).
4) We’ve dumped a tremendous amout of trash/failed projects.
5) We’ve cut the payroll.
6) We have not given up a single solid piece on the farm and probably added a couple of guys here who won’t make the big league club out of ST.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 21, 2012 5:25 PM MST reply actions 6 recs
Ya, pretty much
Its been a good offseason for the Rockies. At times we were like what the hell, but looking at the big picture, I’m happy. Dealin Dan Is Back!
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I hear sirens
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Great summary
Now I want to dance a jig.
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This trade was enough to make me de-lurk about two months early.
Woo hoo! I cheered out loud when I saw the news.
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The farm part of this is outstanding to me
Just incredible.
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 23, 2012 2:11 AM MST up reply actions
Glad to see the Rox make some moves
I work with snake fans, need I say more? They have improved this offseason as well.
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I have far more respect for the objectivity we have here at the Row. “Pomeranz for Scoot? I’d do that.” Seriously?
Well, I mean, I'd trade, say Hernandez for Bryce Harper
But in no way would I expect the Nationals to even consider it
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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Only if they threw in Jordan Zimmerman though
I hear he’s a good throw in (sarcasm)
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Another great move
Not the blockbusters that other teams have pulled off but another really solid move that will improve the team. Keep trading pieces that don’t fit long-term!
Any chance the Tigers would be interested in Giambi now?
by WhiskeyDrinkingMan on Jan 21, 2012 5:37 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I just has a HAPPY!!!
Yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes.
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Will the good 2012 ever get here?
by Roxman on Jan 21, 2012 5:39 PM MST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Another no BS veteran added to lineup
Love it. The change in this team’s personality may be the biggest upgrade of all.
Wow!
Great job. Will he be at Rockies Fest tomorrow? ;)
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so happy
We gave up pretty much nothing for a guy who just had a career year including .299 avg and 2.9 war. Awesome veteran who can teach and has a good attitude.
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
And he's Venezuelan.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 5:56 PM MST up reply actions
Gotta love them zuelans
He will be a great fit here.
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by Hollidayrain on Jan 23, 2012 2:13 AM MST up reply actions
This really changes my whole perspective on 2012
I have the same feeling right now that I have when the Rocks win a big comeback in the bottom of the ninth
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by Rock Oax on Jan 21, 2012 5:55 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
1. Fowler CF
2. Scutaro 2B
3. Cargo LF
4. Tulo SS
5. Cud RF
6. Helton 1B
7. Hernandez C
8. Blake 3B
We are going to score some runs this year.
I want to see this lineup with Rosario and Arenado in it
We’d truly be the team of the O’s
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by MattBerger on Jan 21, 2012 6:18 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Cargo Tulo Arenado Rosario Scutaro Nicasio Pacheco. who else?
could have the same cheer for 7 players.
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
Maybe the Indians will want to trade him for prospects at the trade deadline
and we’ll have young pitchers to spare.
(And then the made-for-TV-movie script will get written, or something.)
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Marco...!
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SCUTAROOOOOO
This will be fun to do at Coors this year.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 6:15 PM MST up reply actions
I think it's really SCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTARO
but either way works.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 8:55 PM MST up reply actions
Yesterday they got thier long reliever and today they get thier 2nd baseman.
For Slowey or may we say Turpin and Mortensen. Those are some good upgrades.
Hey guys, you want to know something funny?
We got Scutaro for basically a salary dump. The Giants are still going to be starting Brandon Crawford at shortstop this year. If the Red Sox were truly just looking to dump Scutaro, the Giants could’ve just bought their new starting shortstop for 6 million dollars and a AAAA arm.
This deal gets better every second I keep looking at it.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 21, 2012 6:26 PM MST up reply actions
38+38+36=
1st+3rd+2nd=
Hey kids, shake it loose together
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by realmenwearpurple on Jan 21, 2012 6:35 PM MST up reply actions
well moyer will be pitching
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Getting him in exchange for Mortensen is an absolute STEAL.
Just an average guy with exceptional hair. Nothing more, nothing less.
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by Bryan Kilpatrick on Jan 21, 2012 6:20 PM MST reply actions
What kind of a player is Scutaro?
Somebody want to give a synopsis of his strengths and weaknesses?
Here you go.
Average AVG, Solid OBP, Low SLG. Typical slap-hitting MI.
Decent glove. Better at 2B than SS. Arm and Range are more suited for 2B.
Old, but on a one year deal.
Solidified the SS position in Boston for a few years after they had nothing but failure after failure there, similar to what we have had at 2B, but a little better.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
I think that the hope is to have him help us get to DJLM.
I think the FO is high on him at the moment.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 6:27 PM MST up reply actions
or rutledge
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I was thinking of a less detailed analysis:
Strength: He is not Jonny Herrera. He is not Chris Nelson. He is not Jose Lopez. He is not Clint Barmes. He is not Ian Stewart. He is not Jayson Nix. He is not Luis Gonzalez. He is not Aaron Miles. He is not Ronnie Belliard. He is not Jose Ortiz.
Weakness: He wasn’t here 10 of the last 11 years while those other guys were our opening day starting second baseman or a regular starting second baseman for the Rox.
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by realmenwearpurple on Jan 21, 2012 6:31 PM MST up reply actions
Though I suppose this comment wasn't fair to the decent season(s) Barmes provided
or the fact that Aaron Miles isn’t completely awful either.
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by realmenwearpurple on Jan 21, 2012 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
you're right, adjust my above comment to
or the fact that Aaron Miles isn’t wasn’t completely awful either.
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by realmenwearpurple on Jan 21, 2012 6:49 PM MST up reply actions
You forgot Brent Butler,
Alfredo Amezaga, EY2 and Pablo Ozuna
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by realmenwearpurple on Jan 22, 2012 9:58 AM MST up reply actions
The second is a very fair answer
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This is sarcastic/hipster right?
Cuz at the risk of ruining the joke, this is criminally unfair. There weren’t more than a half dozen better offensive players at SS last year than Scutaro, and he’s an ace 2B defensively. The $6 million we’re paying him is actually a bargain, while “what we’ve had” at 2B is less than replacement value (Mark Ellis for a few weeks excepted).
by BostonTransplant on Jan 21, 2012 7:04 PM MST up reply actions
I don't know about sarcastic or hipster(?)
but he is a definite upgrade over Barmes/Herrera (the two with the most time at 2B over the last three years). Herrera’s and Barmes’ best comes to close to Scutaro’s average play, but even at 36 Scutaro’s ceiling is higher than any of the players that are ML ready.
Ummm. No.
He is not an ace 2B defensively. He had a career year last year, but his career numbers are .270/.338/.389. That’s exactly what I said Average AVG, Solid OBP, Low SLG. He’s only had an SLG over .400 for one year besides last year.
If you have some other stats that I am not aware of, feel free to include them. He is good, but the man asked for strengths and weaknesses. I gave him the truth.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 7:56 PM MST up reply actions
Statistically, he's almost exactly average at 2B.
That’s about right. He’s also, as I said, better at 2B than SS.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 8:02 PM MST up reply actions
Fortunately, average is a lot better than a rotating pool of suck.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 8:07 PM MST up reply actions
2009 was actually a slightly better year
The sky high .379 OBP gave him a better wRc+ and wOBA than 2011. His largest recent samples at 2B, 2008 and 2010 get mixed reviews from UZR and TZ. TZ grades him really well in 2010, but below average in 2008. UZR grades him significantly below average in 2010, but then a little above in 2008.
He beats all of the in-house options significantly for 2012. And his OBP, combined with a second half Dexter, gives the type of table setting the team hasn’t had since 2007.
He's absolutely better than what we have.
I’m not knocking Scutaro. I’m very excited about this. I was just responding to someone who asked for strengths and weaknesses.
2009 and 2011 were both pretty good. He was a better hitter in 2011 though. Those 90 BBs from 2009 are a complete anomaly for him. It’s almost double his typical amount.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 8:14 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I didn’t meant to seem like I was trying to contradict what you’re saying. It was essentially complete. Hopefully he likes the NL and it helps him stay at the 2011 level.
Ok.
I’m just making sure everyone knows that I’m not dumping on Scutaro. It’s a great pickup. The original post was just a look at who he is all around, as was asked for. I was being a little sensitive because I’m thrilled with this. If I wasn’t a little concerned about his age, i’d say that he is better than Prado hitting 2nd and playing 2B.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 8:22 PM MST up reply actions
Definitely better defensively at second
Prado’s 2011 worries me a lot more than I would have admitted when advocating for his acquisition. It still could be just adjusting to a different position, or a funk year, but the cost to find out would be pretty high.
Also, his acquisition was a lot more appealing before Casey Blake and Cuddyer.
If you think about it
Instead of trading Seth Smith plus for Prado, we traded Seth Smith and Clayton Mortenson for Scutaro, his contract, Moscoso, and Outman. When the acquisition is looked at with the larger picture, the team makes so much sense (not that I really think Scoot was the target this whole offseason)
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by MattBerger on Jan 21, 2012 8:49 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I love things that make sense.
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Even if he wasn't the target
The off-season created the flexibility to lead to this type of move. The previous deals created both the payroll flexibility and provided the pitching depth needed to make an impact deal at some point during the off-season. Very nice job by DOD overall, and a good example of why it’s difficult to evaluate a lot of the smaller moves in a vacuum.
he has had a career last 3 years
which might have a bit to do with getting out of oakland
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Nice one Dan.
The inevitable anti-veteran backlash around here won’t be fun, but that lineup posted above looks awfully nice.
by Teekalong on Jan 21, 2012 6:40 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Todd Margaret would be jealous
I have finally quit my Fire Dan O’Dowd community following this steal of a deal.
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
Agree, you can't help but like this one
It’s like being on the opposite end of the You-pay-Street-and-we’ll-take-Nick-Schmidt trade.
I am not sorry to see Morty go, because I didn’t really see a role for him in 2012. But I will say he did a decent job of eating innings last year, and saved some wear-and-tear on an overworked bullpen. Good luck to him going forward.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 21, 2012 7:21 PM MST up reply actions
25 man roster?
Chacin
Hammel
Nicasio
Pomeranz
Outman/White/JDLR
Belisle
Betancourt
Linstrom
Reynolds
Brothers
Putnam
Rogers/Escalona
Gonzolez
Fowler
Cuddyer
Colvin/Blackmon
Helton
Scutaro
Tulo
Blake
Giambi
Nelson
Herrera
Hernandez
Rosario/Pacheco
depending on ST
I’d want EY instead of one of Nelson of Herrera, as long as he’s not starting.
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
Way too early to tell. Only eight position players, two starters and four/five relievers are basically guaranteed spots right now
At least ten roster spots are up in the air.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 21, 2012 6:54 PM MST up reply actions
Not a chance Nelson and Herrera make the team
Much more likely neither does. Pacheco is almost a given, and Scutaro’s experience at SS means there’s no need for either Nelson or Herrera. There’s LaMahieu too.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 21, 2012 7:01 PM MST up reply actions
This definitely pushed Herrera out of the picture
I think you’re right about DJLM and Pacheco over Nelson and Herrera. There’s not really a lot of point to letting Nelson rot on the ML bench if Blake plays well.
Nelson and EY2 do not have options remaining, and they aren't going to pass through waivers
I don’t think EY2 has a spot anymore but Nelson definitely does. I think DJ starts at second everyday in the Springs. If it were up to me, the bench is Nelson, EY2, Blackmon, Giambi, and Rosario, but the FO is likely to replace EY2 with Pacheco.
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It would seem like EY2 could be traded for younger depth
DIdn’t realize Nelson is out of options, so I guess unless he bombs in ST he’ll be on the roster. Not a bad outcome for DJLM to get regular time at 2B in CS.
Wow. Then you and me are watching completely different games last year.
Pacheco’s hitting ability makes him orders of magnitude more valuable than Nelson in my book. The only thing Nelson had on him with ability to play SS, but that’s not as important any more. I do like EY getting the final roster spot though. If only to be our first baseman’s (whoever it might be) and right fielder’s personal pinch-runner.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 21, 2012 7:52 PM MST up reply actions
EY would serve a purpose that none of the others couldn't fill
but I’d prefer the team just get it over with and trade him. He and a young pitcher could yield a nice return.
I don't think EY has much value.
They’ve probably been looking to trade him, but I think most teams know that he’ll be on the wire soon enough.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 7:58 PM MST up reply actions
If the Mets are as infatuated with him as is reported
then I could see squeezing decent out of them. A lot of teams will need middle IF depth closer to April. Doesn’t really matter what comes back unless something else goes out with him.
Why not trade EY2 for a decent reserve catcher?
like a Mike McKenry type of player?
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Not a bad idea
who is slated to be the Springs catcher otherwise? Wouldn’t want another ML roster catcher.
Okay, I literally just dug this up off the free agent tracker because I wasn't sure
Eliezer Alfonzo is probably going to be released, and then you have Rosario, Pacheco, and Hernandez when you look at the 40 man You have Wilkin Castillo signed who’s a meh player, as well as Wil Nieves. The only other minor league catcher that played above AA is Lars Davis.
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Assuming Pacheco ends up in AAA
probably doesn’t hard to have someone that allows him to play other positions, and is better than Nieves. Maybe Jaso? He has an option left.
Pacheco will probably make it over EY2
Jaso makes tons of sense. I wonder if the Mariners would pull the trigger on that deal
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BRef and Fangraphs have him rated as slightly negative
If we acquired Jaso, I wouldn’t have a problem with him being the 2nd catcher for a while as Rosario gets a little AAA time. I feel like it would take a tiny bit more on our end though. Maybe one of those solid relievers in A+ like Woods or Yacko would do it?
I feel like if Jaso has an option, it makes sense for them to store Jaso in AAA while Montero and Olivo start, then when Olivo;s contract is up, they use Montero and Jaso as their primary catchers in 2013.
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Isn't it much more fun
to try and figure out who’s going to play catcher at AAA as opposed to second in the bigs?
I am very pleased.
Given the option
and Ackley and Figgins, the trade probably wouldn’t make much sense.
Another benefit of Scoots: he’s not Figgins
by deacs on Jan 21, 2012 9:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone's going to need middle IF depth
The Dodgers tried to corner the market, and the Rockies just finished the job.
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Nelson has more upside than Pacheco, and Pacheco did not hit well in AAA
In my mind, Pacheco can wait as Nelson and EY2 get their last shots. He’s not some impact bat being held in the wings, and only OPS’d .687 in September. Let’s not get excited for him for the same reasons we got excited for Herrera.
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Couldn't disagree more
Nelson’s upside is gone, didn’t pan out. He’ll turn 27 next season and is what he is. Pacheco meanwhile raked everywhere but AAA, while learning how to be a catcher, which is no mean feat. Everyone who watches him agrees he’s a ML hitter, while Nelson has no definable above-replacement skill.
To my eye, it’s not a given Nelson wouldn’t clear waivers if it came to that.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 21, 2012 8:20 PM MST up reply actions
He's had 205 at bats at the major league level!
And his minor league track record at the upper levels of the minors is much better than Pacheco’s statistically. Here are their first years in Triple A
Nelson, age 24, AAA: .313/.376/.492 (2010)
Pacheco, age 25, AAA: .278/.343/.377 (2011)
Let’s not completely give up on a ballplayer because they weren’t good in their first extended opportunity and for a lower upside player who hit a few RBI’s in his first callup. Pacheco will see MLB time next year regardless of whether he makes the opening day roster or not.
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What is funny is to compare Chris Nelson and Scutaro's Milb career
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DJM will be in AAA, pretty sure on that.
I’d like to see Nelly get that IF spot.. EY get the OF spot instead of another IF. Pretty much what Muzia had earlier.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 21, 2012 7:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I have no idea what Nelson gives us at all.
He’s pretty much the last guy in the list I’d like to see on the OD 25-man, and I suspect he’ll be traded rather than exposed to waivers.
You want EY to get an OF spot? That means one infielder to cover 3 positions … I guess it could work now that our 2B can cover SS. But EY better not actually play in the OF
by BostonTransplant on Jan 21, 2012 7:55 PM MST up reply actions
Renck has mentioned EY2 as battling for a reserve outfield spot
I wanted him to be given his shot at 2nd, but that’s not happening with us.
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He's played more innings at 2B than any other position.
He had his shot really.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 8:16 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe I'm crazy, but in my gut I'm much more comfortable with him
playing OF occasionally than I am with him at 2B. I actually thought he improved in the OF last year.
He isn't good at 2B.
That stats make him seem better than he is because his range is very good. Unfortunately, he has a terrible glove. He gets to the ball, but then he muffs the play. The stats show this, but the non-counting stats treat range equal to glove ability which I think is not a great way to assess a 2B.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 8:24 PM MST up reply actions
Wheeeeee!
(That’s just the celebration of snow. Did the Rockies do something cool just now, too?)
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by glaucophane on Jan 21, 2012 6:48 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
How lucky is Nick Punto?
The guy (is terrible and) hits .171 in the postseason, wins the World Series, and then becomes a semi-regular on another perennially contending team.
great trade by dod
i was kinda pissed yesterday that they backed out of trading for him and wondered if it had been because they didn’t want to take on his full contract.
i’m really glad they proved me wrong today. i do like the potential lineup that squalene posted.
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I think it was probably that the Sox asked for something too valuable in return.
When they came down to Mortenson today, it was go. Pure speculation on my part though.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 7:57 PM MST up reply actions
SCOOOOOOOOOOT
I’ve gone from thinking, “Boy, if our young pitching doesn’t come good quick we’re gonna be pretty ugly to watch” to “Boy, if our young pitching DOES come good… look out, NL West.”
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by hotdoglady on Jan 21, 2012 8:28 PM MST reply actions 8 recs
Aren't you supposed to give us a number
and then we say over or under?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 8:48 PM MST up reply actions
Under.
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Definitely.
That, and we are still banking on an old infield. On paper, it’s a great lineup, but there are going to be some injuries.
It could be one of those years when none of the NL West teams break 90 wins.
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That's what I think every time I look at the AZ and SD lineups
But when I only think about their off season acquisitions, I think of them as power houses. Even with the Kubel signing. Ew.
SD, in particular, is vulnerable to injuries killing their position players. AZ is definitely vulnerable to poor performances from Young, Kubel, Goldschlager and the SS melenge
by deacs on Jan 21, 2012 9:57 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
alonso gets hurt and they have ony one impact hitter
can’t think they do too much this year
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As much as I want to say over...
I’m going under 86.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 8:51 PM MST up reply actions
Although just slightly,
I’m thinking 84 or 85 right now.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 8:52 PM MST up reply actions
Better luck gets us two more wins.
Better lineup and health from position players gets us six more wins.
Rotation gets us three more wins.
I just can’t see our pitching being THAT much better to get us five or six more wins.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 8:55 PM MST up reply actions
Ty Wigginton.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 9:03 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm going over
I think the rotation will be better than we expect, and that the bullpen becomes a real strength late in the year.
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I also think having a consistent lineup with roles being defined makes a real difference
Even if we wind up bringing up Arenado and Wheeler because of Blake and Helton injuries like I suspect there will be
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I'm not setting it
I have run some preliminary simulations of the 2012 season using the actual schedule and depth charts for hitters (straight 5 man for starting pitchers until more unknowns are figured out on rosters) and the NL West looked something like this…
SF (86.8), COL (85.7), ARI (79.0), LAD (78.3), SD (70.3) … sniff test told me initially that Colorado was too high and Arizona too low. Then I saw Clay Davenport’s results of his simulations (not sure what kind) and he has ARI (87), COL (84), SF (83), LAD (81), SD (73).
But it sounds like you guys think the Rockies win around what my sim says they might. My sim hates the Arizona offense more than Clay’s system does.
I think 84 and 85 wins is about right at the moment.
However, if the rotation works out to be a top 1/2 MLB group, we take the West with 90 wins. We had the second worst production from starters in the NL last year. To me, this means that we were the second worst in MLB. We will beat that this year, but beating if by a major improvement will lock us in.
There are just too many questions in the rotation.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 9:12 PM MST up reply actions
I'll say 79, and hope for a 2007-like miracle for the starting rotation
I would love to be off by 10 wins or so, but I still don’t think the starting pitching comes together soon enough for this team to contend. If I was confident that the offense could carry them early on, I would feel better. But I just don’t see the offense as being strong enough to pull that off.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 21, 2012 9:19 PM MST up reply actions
I think people don’t realize just how terrible our starting pitching was last year. There is no way we are worse than last year. We might be the same, but even that is a stretch.
Let’s look at a possible rotation of Chacin, Hammel, Pomeranz, Nicasio, JDLR/Others against last year’s freak show.
Chacin (our only good pitcher): 31 starts. We’ll say that he maintains, although he should improve. BREAK EVEN.
Hammel: 27 starts He showed promised at the end of the season. A return to 2011 form could net us a win. PLUS ONE WIN.
Ubaldo: 21 starts. Many of these were terrible. He ended up as a league average pitcher for Colorado. I think that DLR coming off of surgery can do that this year. BREAK EVEN.
Cook: 17 starts. Terrible. 74 ERA+
Rogers: 13 starts. Even worse. 64 ERA+
Pomeranz can improve on these two by two win in 30 starts. PLUS TWO WINS.
Nicasio: 13 starts. ERA+ 108. I think that he can at least maintain this. BREAK EVEN.
JDLR: 10 starts. Our best pitcher.
Millwood: 9 starts. Almost as good.
I think that Nicasio would fill in some of this space here. I don’t see him equaling what JDLR and Millwood did though. He comes close enough to only lose one win though. LOSE ONE WIN.
White/Mortenson/Pomeranz/Reynolds/Johnson: 21 starts. This motley crew were all below average except Mortenson, but he was actually below average as a starter. Whatever we patch together should be able to at least be able to break even with these guys. BREAK EVEN
I think, in a worst-case scenario, we are equal to what we put out last year. More than likely, I see a two win improvement from the rotation. If Chacin improves, Hammel takes off, Pomeranz beats league average, and the scrubs pitch at league average, we might be looking at a five to six win improvement from the rotation. That puts us in contention.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 9:42 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
God that was long.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 9:42 PM MST up reply actions
Hammel should read: A return to 2010 form.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 9:44 PM MST up reply actions
While I agree with your assessment of the pitchers,
I think the changes in the lineup will have more to do with whether the essentially same pitching gets the same number of wins than what you expect.
By wins I don’t mean pitching wins.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 21, 2012 10:45 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, I think I'm quite aware of how butt-ugly awful our starting pitching was last year
And while the team has added some starting pitching talent that I feel pretty good about long-term, none of it is guaranteed to contribute anything in 2012. Sure, stranger things have happened – and I hope a rotation falls into place early enough for this team to keep pace. But if I had to bet my house on it, I’m still putting this team a few games below .500 come October.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 21, 2012 10:31 PM MST up reply actions
any OD payroll projections
Some payroll flexibility near the trade deadline could make this any interesting year
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by TuloRocks on Jan 21, 2012 9:41 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
i freaking love this trade
moving dead weight for a serious impact player???
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Alright folks now add Gavin Floyd and we are the favorites
Alex White, Chris Friedrich and Chris Nelson make it happen
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i would fall out my chair
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Guy commenting on coloradorockies.com post says...
he thinks D’OD packages Scutaro and Colvin to the Braves for Prado. I’m pretty sure that ship has sailed… the captain was negligent… and crashed on a reef.
I think Prado is way overvalued by the Braves
so I don’t think they trade him
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i'm reading on DRaysBay about them re-signing pena
and they’re freaking thrilled.
this trade is making us freaking thrilled, and when was the last time that happened? ubaldo i suppose, but that carried with it such obvious emotional and other difficulties that it must be in its own class. trading for scutaro is just the perfect move, and losing only mortensen in the process??!?
i just LOVE this move!
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This trade was so good -----
even Keith Law couldn’t knock it.
“Easy call for Colorado. Still don’t get it for Boston”.
Great move!
Our defense up the middle will be best in the league. That was a staplenofnour playoff runs in 07 and 09 and we have been missing it. I knew the stockpiling of arms and clearing space w smitty wasn’t for nothing. Too many teams need fringe starters.
Now let’s package two or three more for a 2 or 3 sp and win the west!
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by purplerowtroller on Jan 22, 2012 12:58 AM MST reply actions
Love the deal for "rich man's" Jamey Carroll!
Because that’s how I see Scutaro. He’s gonna give us defense at 2nd as slick as Carroll did, and at least do as well at the plate as Jamey did the year he hit .300 for us. Scutaro may not hit .300, but he will walk and get a fair number of doubles. Compared to the black hole of dreck at 2nd last season, this is a GODSEND.
And to only give up Mortenson, wow! DOD is restoring my faith in him.
Love the deal for "rich man's" Jamey Carroll!
Because that’s how I see Scutaro. He’s gonna give us defense at 2nd as slick as Carroll did, and at least do as well at the plate as Jamey did the year he hit .300 for us. Scutaro may not hit .300, but he will walk and get a fair number of doubles. Compared to the black hole of dreck at 2nd last season, this is a GODSEND.
And to only give up Mortenson, wow! DOD is restoring my faith in him.
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