Monday Rockpile: Rockies Fan Fest Recap
by Andrew Martin on Jan 23, 2012 7:30 AM MST
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Those of you who follow me on Twitter saw the Tweetsplosion that came from my phone on Saturday. I was graciously invited to the first day of Rockies Fan Fest, so I made full use of the time there by flailing at like 15 snowballs in the visitor batting cages, buying some Rockies merchandise that isn't normally available (for example: I bought Christian Friedrich's locker nameplate for when he arrives in Denver, I bought a 7 foot tall 2010 Ubaldo Jimenez street sign - the ones that hang off of streetlights and stuff, and I bought Muzia a $1 Tulo baseball cap with a built in mullet), and sitting through 3 different players/coaches panels.
The three panels I attended were: Pitchers/Catchers, Infielders/Outfielders, and Coaches/Front Office. What they ended up talking about resulted in the panels being more like: Pitchers/Catchers/Who just had kids, The New Clubhouse Culture, and What We're Doing, respectively.
The Pitchers/Catchers was really Pitchers featuring Ramon Hernandez on drums (no other catchers joined for the panel). In attendance were Esmil Rogers, Jhoulys Chacin, Matt Lindstrom, Josh Roenicke, Matt Reynolds, Jorge De La Rosa, Alex White, Tyler Chatwood, and Ramon Hernandez.
Bringing in Hernandez was a very obvious move, as he has experience working with young pitching staffs while being a decent offensive producer. When asked about joining the Rockies, Hernandez said "Every new organization I join, it's the same story: We have a young pitching staff". It would seem we got the right guy.
Hernandez had other commentary on the state of the pitching staff and Coors Field. After being asked about his expectations after playing 2 seasons in Great American Ballpark in Cincinnati, Hernandez claimed that Coors was a fair park - provided the pitcher makes his pitch.
Speaking of making his pitch, Hernandez had more interesting points about the relationship between a pitcher and a catcher. Much like any other relationship, it's all about communication. When Hernandez makes a trip out to the mound to talk about how to finish an AB, if his pitcher is completely sure of the pitch he wants to make, Hernandez has his pitchers' back, 100%. Of course, if it works out, the pitcher was the stud. If it doesn't, Hernandez mishandled his pitcher. For shame.
Most of the rest of the pitchers had the same thing to say: I need to improve my fastball command. Jhoulys Chacin wants to hit 200IP. Esmil Rogers wants to stop walking guys and regain some sort of consistency. Alex White spent some time this offseason with Bob Apodaca out in Chapel Hill, and it interestingly wasn't about baseball. More of a personal visit. Speaks highly to how the organization views White. Ultimately, Matt Lindstrom summed it up nicely in saying that the club looks good on paper, but the team needs to get out on the field and play hard, stay loose in the clubhouse, have some fun, but to also leave it all on the field.
The Infielders/Outfielders session consisted of Troy Tulowitzki, Jason Giambi, Dexter Fowler, DJ LeMahieu, and Casey Blake.
There were a lot of jokes about Giambi and Blake being old thrown around. Blake seems to have a good sense of humor about this kind of stuff, as well he should. Blake's comments were pretty canned, the standard "here to help" responses. It's pretty clear that the Rockies were the most interested team and had a major league offer, so why wouldn't Blake want to come here? But he's a respected player, and he respects the Rockies and their lineup. All good things to hear from the consummate professional.
LeMahieu is looking forward to the 2B competition (well, the utility competition now), but past that didn't have much to say.
Past that, we had 3 guys who now know each other very well (Giambi, Tulo, Dex) and two newcomers (LeMahieu, Blake), so the three guys on the inside had most of the important commentary. Dex spent some time working out with Giambi and Tulo this offseason, and it shows, if you saw the pictures of his biceps. He's pretty convinced that the offseason regimen is going to aid in his production in 2012.
What really stood out about the 3 of these guys talking is that it seems that Fowler has been included in the "Giambi/Tulo in club". At first, it just seems like "yay, good players do good", but remember that Fowler is a Scott Boras client. While Boras was "defeated" by Carlos Gonzalez' love of the Rockies, there's no guarantee that Fowler is going to follow any suit (provided, of course, that the Rockies will be interested in extending Fowler). If both parties should be interested in extending, it will be advantageous if there is A. A strong core that Dex is a part of and B. The team shows a recovery from the plight of the past 2 seasons and remains competitive to the last game, whether winning or losing.
The point is that the team has been torn apart pretty thoroughly since 2007, with only Tulowitzki and Todd Helton remaining from the World Series run, and this just lends credence to the idea that the team is being reassembled around Troy Tulowitzki (under the watchful eye of Jason Giambi). The team has "added character," as Tulo put it, and parts of this team are looking more like they did back in the good ol' days. Like 2007.
Finally, the chat with the execs. In all, Keith Dugger, Dan O'Dowd, Bill Geivett, Jorge de la Rosa, and Juan Nicasio were all in attendance for this panel.
Word from trainer Keith Dugger is that Juan Nicasio is cleared to pitch at full force. The only thing they're holding him back from is distance running. Jorge de la Rosa is feeling great, and has started throwing bullpen sessions (all fastballs). He's still slated for late May, early June, and we do NOT want to rush a Tommy John Surgery recovery.
One of the most interesting questions thrown at O'Dowd was from someone in the crowd, and basically summed up to this: The strategy for pitching success in Colorado is to land groundballers and more groundballers, as anything in the air is obviously a home run. O'Dowd countered this by saying that the Rockies employ their own statistical measures in tracking fly balls: was it a soft fly ball, hard fly ball, pulled fly ball, etc. He then said that they're reevaluating the pitchers they go after in the future, stating that if they limit themselves to acquiring groundballers, their world suddenly becomes that much smaller as far as pitching acquisitions go. Finally, they pointed out that at that time they had already traded the most extreme flyball pitcher in the bunch (Kevin Slowey).
Finally finally: I got a moment to say hello to Dan O'Dowd. I specifically asked him about Doug Linton being the new minor league pitching coordinator. O'Dowd's response was that Bo McLaughlin was best suited to a stable group of guys, such as a single team's pitching staff, while Linton's appointment was in part to put some fresh faces into roles and see where that takes the organization as well as just putting guys where they have the chance to make the most impact.
I then asked O'Dowd about Friedrich, and what his next steps are. O'Dowd responded: 1. Stay healthy; 2. Make baseball your #1 priority. There's still time for Friedrich, but he's going to have to take the bull by the horns.
Talking with O'Dowd, however briefly, was very informative. He has a candor about him that I did not expect. It was very refreshing.
All in all, fan fest was awesome, and if you have the opportunity to go at any point, make sure you do.
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Huge props to you Andrew...
For tweeting the events/interviews on Saturday. It was much appreciated for the ones who could not attend, or like myself, are out of State. Free bit of advice though, bring an extra Battery for your Phone next year. :)
Man, sounds like it was a good time.
I need to make sure I’m not in Twitter Jail this time next year.
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Get well soon Juan.
The streetlight banners are very cool
I have Ubaldo’s banner from 2009. I bought it from the Dugout Store on the 16th Street Mall a couple of years ago, and have it hanging in my office.
Apparently they are taken down around mid-September and sent in for cleaning. ROOT picks them over and takes what they want, and then a few of them end up for sale at that Dugout Store around Thanksgiving – not many, but a few.
A friend somehow snatched down
one of the 2007 WS Garrett Atkins banners and gave it to me as a groomsman gift. Its pretty awesome, even if I have nowhere remotely reasonable to put it.
He has a candor about him that I did not expect. It was very refreshing.
From the FanForum conference calls to his appearances on KOA, DOD seems nothing but candid about what he has been doing. I appreciate that. Some GMs are very secretive and treat their fans like idiots who can never understand what really goes on. I feel like DOD understands that this is not the case.
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I was confused for a second
I read this the first two times as
I appreciate that some GMs are very secretive and treat their fans like idiots who can never understand what really goes on.
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Petro - THANK YOU
For the tickets. My mom and I had a blast. I met:
Nolan Arenado
Tyler Anderson
Tyler Matzek
Christian Friedrich
Tim Wheeler
Will Swanner
Ramon Hernandez
Michael Cuddyer
Charlie Blackmon
Tyler Chatwood
Jhoulys Chacin
Dan O’Dowd (literally a handshake as he walked between events)
Todd Helton
And got signed balls from Chacin, Cuddyer, and two balls from Helton. My mom and I have a bunch of pictures, I think that might be my first fan post.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 23, 2012 8:04 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
OMG
It looks so amazing in real life… it’s dark like a dying star mixed with a black hole.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 23, 2012 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
nice work Amart
I am looking forward to seeing M.Muzia in a mullet. And for a buck it sounds like your losing money every second you don’t have that on your head
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I had quite a disgusted look on my face when he showed up with that monstrosity.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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Just wait until you wear it for a whole game.
You’ll probably start popping your collar and run out to buy a Camaro.
by Shoemaker on Jan 23, 2012 8:29 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Bitchin’
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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Hold onto it for a couple of years
Maybe you will change your mind again.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 23, 2012 8:29 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
the ….?
RIRF, this is your most nefarious RIRF yet.
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Maybe you just had a weak moment with the nostalgia of the mullet and all?
This was also just before I went all Tulo crazy on here and we really became diametrically opposed on the subject so there’s that.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 23, 2012 8:49 AM MST up reply actions
I posted this at the bottom of the Sunday Rockpile last night but it seems more appropriate here
Coors from the outside…
Stage Sessions….
(Helton, Blackmon, Giambi, and Cuddyer)
(Colvin, LeMahieu, Fowler, Cargo, Tulo) By the way, the players are wearing the new road uniforms here.
Rockies history on the Club level. There was so much here that I couldn’t possibly post all the display cases but here’s a few of my favorites….
View from the owner’s suite.
Here’s the ball that Dex signed.
Here’s a bunch of game worn attire (with the exception of Cuddyer who wore that jersey at one of the press conferences after signing)
Tulo’s cleats
Helton’s table.
Me wearing the Tulo game worn jersey.
Cargo’s locker.
Tulo’s locker.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 23, 2012 8:32 AM MST reply actions 5 recs
I'm not sure who it is actually
I could read the autograph. The player is wearing #44 and wrote “Troy, may all your dreams come with it”
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 23, 2012 9:01 AM MST up reply actions
err.
COULDN’T read the autograph
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 23, 2012 9:13 AM MST up reply actions
I was a huge O's fan growing up
But the only #44 I can remember for them was Elrod Hendricks. And that ain’t Elrod. From the look of the uniform, it appears to be from the late 70s or 80s.
he wore 44 in 76-77
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well there you go
I thought it looked like him from the tiny photo on my screen, plus it made sense, but the number threw me. Elrod must have taken a couple years off as bullpen coach and Richie grabbed the #44. I actually have a 1978 Topps Rich Dauer sitting in my desk drawer.
It was Rich Dauer
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by TripleT-Rox on Jan 24, 2012 11:57 PM MST up reply actions
Two thoughts...
1. Tulo’s locker looks about exactly as I would imagine
2. This team is going to score a lot of runs
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you didn't get the beiber backpack with Tulo's locker?
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by purplesocks on Jan 23, 2012 10:04 AM MST up reply actions 5 recs
A gift from Giambi perhaps?
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 23, 2012 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
we need to get these guys some better chairs
I think that’s the same chair I bought at office depot for like $75 bucks and had to replace within a year.
HAHA
I actually did in a couple of the other pictures I took but I didn’t get one where the other stuff was clear with that in the shot.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 23, 2012 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
So now that we pretty much have acquired everything we have been talking about and then add like 10 young pitchers…whats left to talk about?
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TheTracy fireing clock of course!
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by Oldfoagie on Jan 23, 2012 8:42 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
should we start picking dates?
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
In all seriousness,
if he doesn’t have this group winning & near the top of the division by early June, I think he’s gone. That would be the most obvious remaining “change the culture” move by O’Dowd, and I don’t think he’d hesistate to do it.
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
This was already done.
There’s a FanPost.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 10:49 AM MST up reply actions
lineup, rotation, and roster speculation?
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 8:44 AM MST up reply actions
the 431 lineup variations there will bein 2012?
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 8:44 AM MST up reply actions
2-3 spots?
I still count ten spots up for grabs.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 23, 2012 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
the ridiculous rotation competition?
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i personally look forward to the serious rotation competition.
the ridiculous rotation, while having greater entertainment potential, probably will not be as effective at actually, you know, pitching.
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we need to align ourselves into camps for the great rotation cage match
we can have epic arguments over Camp Outman vs White Corner vs Pom Squad vs Moscoso Masses vs Chatwood Chums vs Rogers Revelry
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 8:46 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I'm in the Moyer Mob
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
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if you root against jamie moyer
you have no soul
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I might have to take White at 6’3" 215, but I think Esmil Rogers is the better all around athlete and can probably outlast most
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 8:56 AM MST up reply actions
I prefer the Moscoso Mocosos.
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pom squad ftw
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Don'e need a Pom Squad
He’s money, he should be in the rotation.
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Get well soon Juan.
It's hard to distinguish between the two.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 23, 2012 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
I see some slashfic coming up
“Oh Alex, it’s so cool we were both traded to the Rockies”
“Pom, you’re so right. I could never be apart rom you”
“I love you Alex”
“I love you Pom”
*makeout noises
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by biondino on Jan 23, 2012 11:32 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
*crickets *
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"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
by TomCat009 on Jan 23, 2012 11:38 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Trading a young arm and Kyle Parker for Gavin Floyd
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
This lineup has one maybe two years of effectiveness left
Floyd would make sense since JDLR is no sure bet for 2013(he has a player option) and Hammel isn’t either. A Rotation of Chacin, JDLR, Floyd, Nicasio, Hammels would be a top 10 rotation in MLB. Hammels may be thrown in to Chicago as they would need starters this year too.
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RMN?
Did you tell DOD you were the managing editor of PurpleRow?
Did you apply for a job while you were at it?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
yes, no
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 23, 2012 8:47 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Did he flinch?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
by Oldfoagie on Jan 23, 2012 8:48 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
was that the point at which he suddenly had to be somewhere else?
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So about that Scutaro trade....
pretty awesome that we have a real life 2B. What do we do will all those crappy middle infielders now?
What the hell you lookin' at?
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 23, 2012 8:47 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
You wouldn't want Sammy Davis jr. to get more "scrappy" would you?
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Keep one see if we can get a MiLB relief arm for any of of the others
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keep them around because the real life 2B we acquired is 36 years old
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 8:58 AM MST up reply actions
he only played 113 games last year
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 8:58 AM MST up reply actions
no, I like the trade, just think we need to temper our expectations a little bit
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 9:41 AM MST up reply actions
We went from
“What are we going to do with all these pitchers?” to “Wow, we might actually be competitive this year.”
What’s to temper?
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you do realise that Ellis aside our 2B/3B combined for -2.5 WAR last year?
Casey Blake and Scutaro combined for 4 WAR last year. I am not saying we become division favorites but you have to like those two additions.
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But he was between 144 - 150 the three years before that.
I think last year’s total partly reflects the Sox wanting to give Lawrie a shot.
And if Scutaro needs more days off at age 36, we’ve got about 10 backups waiting in the wings to spell him.
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
Lawrie is gone ...
It is about the Sox wanting to clear payroll to add an Oswalt or some such. They will be playing a Tracy-esque blend of Aviles/Punto at SS until the farm is ready.
by Traindogger on Jan 23, 2012 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I understand why they made the deal
& knew Lowrie (sorry for the misspell) was gone.
I was just saying that I think Scutaro would’ve played in more games in 2011 if the Sox weren’t still trying out Lowrie to some extent. Maybe not. I haven’t read the details of his injury status in 2011, but I’d be curious to know if someone (RIRF?) followed the Sawx more than I did.
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
and put up 2.9 fWAR
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interesting
“The Sox found a team willing to take all of Scutaro’s salary. The Rockies, according to one major league source, were the first team to make such an offer this offseason.”
In This case, “first” is likely synonymous with “only.”
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 9:00 AM MST via Android app reply actions
$6 Mil for a 36 year old who played 113 games last year is quite a bit
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 9:01 AM MST up reply actions
please compare to Mark Ellis and Clint Barmes
it really isn’t
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 9:07 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Ellis is two years younger, making slightly less, and played in almost 20 games more last year. Clint Barmes, I cannot make much of an argument for
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 9:13 AM MST up reply actions
Scutaro has been better and more consistent than both
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 9:16 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
he has yes, but funny how they are #2 and #3 on their respective “similarity scores” on baseball reference (Ellis vs Scutaro)
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
career OPS is almost identical
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
ellis accumulated most of his value earlier in his career
while scutaro has been more steadily valuable
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Billy Beane is amazing at identifying MIF talent in other peoples orgs
Ellis was a throw in on the Damon trade(perfect example of why I wanted something other than McBride in the Ubaldo trade) Scutaro was a waiver grab from the Mets
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Don't forget that if the Rockies fall out of it Scutaro can likely be moved for value at the
deadline as the Brewers, Braves, Reds, STL, Giants, Boston, Det, ChiSox, Washington, Marlins might be hurting at either SS or 2B and in the thick of a pennant race. Not saying we could clean them out but if the Rocks are 10 out and the Giants/Braves are right in the middle of it Brandon Crawford/Tyler Pastornicky will likely not be inspiring a lot of confidence
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
or Jamey Carroll who played 146 last year but has averaged 119 over the last 5
or Rafael Furcal, or Juan Uribe last year, or Jerry Hairston, or John Macdonald the middle IF market was putrid this year and they still all got snapped up.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
starting at SS seems to me a greater strain
physically then playing 2B. I expect 140+ games from Scutaro in 2012.
What the hell you lookin' at?
I just realized how tough a guy Scutaro is
113 games last year or not.
The first line of his bio on mlb.com says he is “Married to Marines.”
Now THAT’S tough.
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
2.9 fWAR
that’s about $15m in value last year
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One interesting aspect of this trade is
it may be the best example yet of the luxary tax doing exactly what baseball wants it to (at least to some degree).
Boston has other critical holes to fill (most notably another starter in the rotation) but in order to aquire that they would have had to go over the luxary tax. So instead they dump Scutaro’s salary to give them more room to play with and a mid market team fills a hole that otherwise seems unfillable.
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 23, 2012 9:09 AM MST up reply actions
Counterpoint
BP likes the deal for us and not so much for the Sox (apologies if already posted elsewhere):
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15882
by Traindogger on Jan 23, 2012 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
A little off track
but does anyone else get a little annoyed that everything written about this trade is how bad it is for the Red Sox, not how good it is for the Rockies.
Not really.
We’re paying a fair bit of money, but for the most part, the benefits for the Rockies are so obvious that it doesn’t really need to be discussed. There doesn’t need to be a sense of “omg we really screwed the Sox*” because they have their own good reasons for making the deal. The thing is, what these reasons are is the most interesting area of discussion.
*I still think they should have pushed for a better/higher ceiling young arm, Cabrera or Chatwood or Bettis or something, but hey, I’m not complaining!
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I think they originally did,
and DOD said no. That’s why the trade died and was resurrected.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 11:04 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm sure the Sox negotiators did their job
So props to the Rockies for sticking to their demands.
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I agree with many others that I would have secured Oswalt or whomever there target was
Before dumping Scutero. For 1 it kill any leverage they had, if they don’t get him they are hosed at SS, They are hosed at SS anyway.
It is nice to see the Rox on this side of a deal for a change, thumbs up to the Monforts for OKing the salary.
will he be worth a draft pick? Type B?
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he would have been
but even if he is an A now we would have to offer him 12+ million a year and have him turn it down for us to get a pick
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No.
In order to qualify for draft pick compensation, a player must now receive an offer from the team with an AAV of upwards of $12-13MM. I want to say it starts at $12.4MM next offseason, but I can’t pinpoint that figure anywhere. Could be a figment of my imagination…
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by cthabeerman on Jan 23, 2012 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
isn't that for type a though with the draft pick coming from a different team?
or is that for all draft pick compensation?
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by purplesocks on Jan 23, 2012 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
I believe that is the only kind of compensation left after this year
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This is correct. There is no longer an Elias system of ranking players for free agent compensation, at least in an official capacity.
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by cthabeerman on Jan 23, 2012 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
The figure...
is now apparently based upon the average of the top 125 contracts, by AAV.
If this is correct, I do see a bunch of option years coming up in future contracts. By adding more option years (which are usually at higher salaries than the guaranteed years), MLB as a whole can reduce the AAV of a contract league-wide, to make the draft compensation level lower to still get some picks here and there.
I also see teams offering a guy a 1-year-deal at the compensation level even though the player could probably make 4/$40MM in a FA deal. Do you risk overpaying by about $2MM on a one-year deal to get the draft picks?? Absolutely. But is the guy likely to take a one-year deal rather than an extra guaranteed $28MM?? No, not usually.
The same theory probably works for a guy that is looking to get less years at higher prices (Carlos Beltran would be a decent comp for this, though he got more AAV than the compensation level anyway). If a guy is going to get 2/$20, does he turn down $8MM guaranteed for the extra $2MM?? Again, probably not.
Draft pick compensation actually got a whole lot more interesting in the new CBA, in my opinion.
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by cthabeerman on Jan 23, 2012 11:04 AM MST up reply actions
you will also see a lot more Rafael Soriano/ATL situations
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That’s certainly possible, and that actually excites me.
Teams are going to have to gauge how much a player and draft picks are really worth to the organization, and a player is going to have to gauge whether taking an extra few million is worth the risk of not signing a multi-year deal.
Soriano did pretty well for himself, but there was a huge risk in going the route he did. Fortunately, he had a comparatively worse year but the results were significantly better.
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by cthabeerman on Jan 23, 2012 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
I like that both the Yankees and Red Sox had to look for cheap options this year
I look forward to the same thing happening to PHI with Hamels, Victorino, and Blanton hitting FA this next Offseason then Doc, Pence, Chooch and Utley after 2013.
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Victorino should be the interesting case. I don’t think Blanton has much of a shot of getting offered because he shouldn’t be making anywhere near the compensation level moving forward…he’d just agree and laugh with all the extra money he wouldn’t have guaranteed elsewhere. Hamels is worth much more, so he’s a slam dunk yes in offering a larger contract.
By actual performance metrics like WAR, Victorino should easily be there…but conventional baseball salaries don’t give that much money to a person of his age and skillset (2011 notwithstanding, he was incredible last season).
Michael Bourn is another interesting case that will hit close to home for me…I doubt the Braves get an extension, but I think making a 1/$12MM offer is a must regardless of whether Bourn actually deserves (WAR says yes, past player salaries say no) a salary of that level.
It’s a slam dunk that Bourn’s going to get offered multiple years and probably $40-50MM at the very least, so why not make a base offer if he’s priced out of the Braves’ range?? Paying Bourn $12MM for one year wouldn’t be an absolute failure, either way, unless he tanks this season.
As for the Phillies after 2013, I think Doc and Pence get offers without much trouble, Chooch just isn’t worth the risk (he also has a cheap option, so probably not an issue until 14, if ever), and Utley could very well be the interesting case of that group, depending on how he fares in 2012-13.
It should be noted that these new rules should end the gentleman’s handshake Raul Ibanez gave the Phillies this season. The MLBPA will let an agreement exist because there’s no actual numbers being offered outright, but try explaining to them why a guy turns down a one-year, $12MM deal and accepts 2 years, $8 million somewhere else is going to be a difficult sell.
Once the money’s actually offered outright, I think the MLBPA is going to press hard on anyone offering a handshake to take that deal.
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what i was mainly thinking is that Victorino should get a 5/55
or at least 4/50 deal, barring injury doc will set a new record for compensation to a 36 yo maybe 4/100 or 5/11o and that the whole phillies team will be a 33 yo Ryan Howard, a 36 yo Jimmy Rollins, a 35 yo Cliff Lee eating up 61 million and them needing to replace Pence, Victorino, Utley either in FA or through a depleted farm.
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They’re going to be old as hell and twice as expensive as they’re worth. It’s the gift that keeps on giving…
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don't try to pretend that somewhere down in your lizard brain
that you aren’t slightly afraid they sign Prince.
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that Rumsfeld refused to answer was even better.
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The Nats signing Prince is a bit scary. The Phillies can’t pay $50MM/year for 1B, though. No one’s taking the Howard contract off their hands.
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stranger things have happened
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anyone crazy enough to sign Howard to that contract
is crazy enough to play him in LF
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I am not being serious but when they added Lee Braves
fans had to say “C’Mon!!!!”
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Did I hear Milwood signed on a minor league deal to Seattle?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 9:16 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
He spent most of last season in Pawtucket
And appears headed for Tacoma or Seattle this year.
Guess he has a thing for northern seacoasts.
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
there you have it people.
Millwood is about a 1 million dollar pitcher. If going to Coors, he needs 3 million, and at the other extreme- going to SafeCo he needs a minor league deal…
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perfect example of probably why Outman, Moscoso, Putnam, Chatwood, Pomeranz, and White all cried when they were traded to the Rockies
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
I don't think he went to Seattle just because of the park
But more because he had no chance at the rotation here.
I think he had a spot if he wanted it we offered him a MLB contract
maybe he doesn’t like batting, maybe he is sick of pitching in hitters parks who knows.
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Well there goes two homeruns a season now
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I do have to say that out of all the players I met on Sunday, Tulo was by the far the least talkative and seemed like he wanted to be somewhere else
I had an autograph session with him and he barely looked up as he was refreshing his phone the entire time checking the pats-ravens game. Signed the ball and handed it back without making eye contact. Every other player I met was all smiles and would talk with you. I can totally see now where Muzia’s douche vibe of Tulo came from. My friend that I was with had a good joke: “When asked who is favorite baseball player of all time is, Tulo answered: Troy Tulowitzki”. I’m fine with that though as long as he continues to mash.
I was pretty stoked to meet Arenado and get his sig. Seems like a really nice guy. Also got Pomeranz, Tulo, Fields, Hammel, and Pacheco’s (who might be my favorite guy on the team after meeting him) autographs.
Also, did anyone that was there on Saturday get a chance to meet Josh Rutlidge? My friend who works for the Rockies and was there both days said they had to send him home for being too drunk. After hearing that I immediately wanted to meet him.
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We can't risk Muzia loving players that we need to succeed.
We have to foist him off onto the Greg Smith’s of the world.
by Shoemaker on Jan 23, 2012 10:29 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh god
Tulo’s a douche and Rutledge is a lush. This may be the single most depressing post ofn the year :(
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I have often gotten the douche vibe from Tulo, but never felt like saying anything because I figured I’d get excommunicated for it. He’s got that California Poast Toastie vibe to him, “just a little bit better than the rest”
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
This is one of our favorite offseason discussions.
Along with Sci-Fi chat, the Herrera Wars, and SABR/no SABR debates.
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I don't know the guy but I imagine he is probably confident to the point of cocky
given his amazing success at every level, I kind of think he and Longoria are kind of the same guy in that sense.
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at people aren't stealing his hat everywhere he goes
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at least*
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There are plenty of us around here who are not the biggest Tulowitzki fans.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 23, 2012 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
So be it
I’ve heard more than a few stories of Tulo not exactly being a fan of autographs and fan interaction and all that. Of course we can all wish it was different, and maybe it is if he’s dealing with kids or something which is more important. But as long as he doesn’t go full Bonds, i doubt its worth losing much sleep over.
Is it okay if I hope Tulo goes full Bonds on the baseball field?
Minus the steroids, I guess.
So like 90% Bonds.
Tulo going 90% Bnds on the field?
That means he will only hit 65 homeruns this season. I’m okay with that.
I believe.
by Lost Winter on Jan 23, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
I meant that as long as he doesn't become
an insufferable a-hole off-field, I’m not going to worry.
I can understand it
I also get annoyed by the line of fans by my brewery who want me to autograph their pint glasses and their private parts.
You have a brewery??
That’s rad.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Jan 23, 2012 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
Yes! And his brewery makes actual Belgium style ales, unlike a certain other very popular Fort Collins brewery
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by SurfaceThought on Jan 23, 2012 11:17 AM MST up reply actions
His brewery should send me some samples then.
And does it matter what the brewery calls its beers as long as they taste good?
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Mmm, Belgians...
Belgians and stouts, and Belgians and stouts, and some IPAs. That’s how I like my beers.
If we’re talking about the same incredibly popular Ft. Collins brewery, I’m not a huge fans of most of their stuff, outside of their very select stuff, which is solid.
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by cthabeerman on Jan 23, 2012 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
I’m aware that fans is plural, but I’m an exceptionally big fan.
-C
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by cthabeerman on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
prince fielder level?
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by cthabeerman on Jan 23, 2012 1:55 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Belgians and stouts
Belgins and stouts
IPAs IPAs IPAs IPAs
Belgians and Stouts
Belgians and Stouts
IPAs IPAs Hefeweisen
Smoked Porter
Smoked Porter
Smoke Smoked Porter
do the
Smoked Porter
Smoke Smoked Porter
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a smoked porter paired with a nice maduro cigar
is the closest to heaven one can get while remaining on this earth
by blake street beer on Jan 23, 2012 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
If you're talking abou New Belgium
I can get behind the general premise but their Lips of Faith La Folie is one great beer. I still need to check out Le Terror (spelling?) before dismissing that one too.
They have a prickly pear saison right now
that is amazing.
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Beer of the year so far.
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Those are some big words
For the first month of the year.
I’ll keep my eye out for this. I probably don’t have the funds to make the gamble on this one but if the right situation pops up I’ll check it out.
are you in the Fort Fun?
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Fort Collins.
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we will make sure korpal and aberle take it easy and that I’ll be on time
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 1:19 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
never gonna happen.
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Fisher on time? Or those other two taking it easy?
Both are a little hard to see.
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Seriously?
I talked to Tulo longer than anyone (granted it was still only for about 30 seconds) and he was very friendly.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 23, 2012 11:20 AM MST up reply actions
There wasn't enough time to
(although I probalby otherwise would have).
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 23, 2012 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
uh oh...
whom to believe…?
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My personal bias
makes me think Tulo is cold.
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I thought that was "you" with a typo at first
I was like “awww”
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Meh. I'm pretty cold.
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Until you have a hot water bath, and then placed in your bun.
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Nope.
still a cold cold woman.
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Damn that's cold
What about Sriracha?
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worst. invention. ever.
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still better than siracha.
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still better than Siracha.
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FABULOUS!
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should have known to avoid shoes with a woman
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i give up
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WAHOO!
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You are making it really hard to like you.
But I still do.
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Get well soon Juan.
But I loves my sriracha
You are cold. I mean Ice Cold. You are who Andre 5000 was singing about in “Hey Ya”
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Who puts Sriracha on a hot dog??
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 23, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions
lame wads.
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People who like flavor
And anti-oxidants.
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so, weirdos
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What is wrong with sriracha?
Its way better than tabasco.
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what do you mean by just?
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I'm just trying to understand your opinion.
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I don't really believe this.
At all.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions
oh?
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You've got a job
helping people who were victims of sexual abuse, right?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
Yes.
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A place where you volunteered your time freely
before you had the job.
Not really buying the cold, cold woman who helps her fellow man thing. Sorry.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
But the name "maria" means "sea of bitterness".
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You'd be bitter too
if you got knocked up without getting to have the sex beforehand.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
How do you solve a problem like Maria?
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well, i'll tell you what you don't do:
you don’t google “stupid inventions” and post a bunch of them on purple row. i learned that the hard way.
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Dusters for cat feet is actually pretty solid.
by Traindogger on Jan 23, 2012 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
all of this is killing me right now. GOLD
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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Well, all this being said
I can’t imagine a cold hot-dog that I have ever enjoyed more.
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Still better than siracha.
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The internets
Hard to detect tone of speach.
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Get well soon Juan.
Now that's just a rip off of
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This is correct.
Maybe she is only cold towards me.
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Wait, I think I may have lost track of the discussion here….
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by Junction Rox on Jan 23, 2012 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
what if he did some warm-up exercises first?
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The two events don't have to be mutually exclusive
He could have been attentive at one point and not paying attention at another
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 23, 2012 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
He is only human afterall
I’m warm and friendly to my wife and kids, but there are times where I let myself be distracted by other things where they have a hard time getting my attention.
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I believe RIRF....
because I want to.
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 24, 2012 12:39 AM MST up reply actions
since this event was several hours long
and both interactions took a few minutes is it okay if I believe both?
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NO
make an assessment
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I was at an autograph session so you are being funneled through there quickly so there isn't really much time to talk
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by purplesocks on Jan 23, 2012 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
I was at an autograph session too
Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.
by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 23, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions
You are actually Justin Bieber, aren't you.
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by glaucophane on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
I've posted my picture in this tread
Does that look like Justin Beiber to you?
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 23, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
anyone can post a picture, biebs
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by glaucophane on Jan 23, 2012 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
What do you mean by tread?
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 23, 2012 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
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Kickers only get noticed when they miss
I was hoping Matt Prater would make an 85-yard buzzer beater this year, after the Broncos managed to schlepp the ball from the 20-yard line to the around the 30. The headline would have read: TEBOW LEADS BRONCOS ON GAME-WINNING DRIVE!!!
by Northsider1964 on Jan 23, 2012 11:30 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I haven't heard this point of view before please expand
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
So, with all the excitement about the Scutaro trade
I didn’t really think the Slowey trade. But, I can’t really see the logic in it. Why did we trade a starter that we at least knew could be a workhorse in MLB if not exactly good for someone that has a very good chance of not ever breaking onto a major league roster?
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by SurfaceThought on Jan 23, 2012 11:01 AM MST reply actions
Why would you classify Putnam that way?
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I've got him penciled in at this point
The Rockies reportedly love him, and he has been ranked as high as the top 10 of the Indians system, so it’s not as if he has no potential.
I’m really anxious to see how all our new pitchers look in spring training…
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by Junction Rox on Jan 23, 2012 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
I think he'll be in the thick of things
I have a couple of guys that I’d really like to see in the bullpen this year. Putnam is pretty nasty though, so he’ll be up there.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
That was only
after the Rockies took two of their other top 10 prospects. He was probably only rated 12 or so
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Gardner was rated higher too
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 5:52 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
The 2nd Slowey trade made sense,
We got a legit relief arm for a pitcher who was more than likely not making the team anyway. The 1st Slowey trade, however, made no sense at all. Why get him in the first place if you really don’t plan on him staying.
Perhaps we come out ahead in the end.
we got slowey before moscoso and outman
that smith trade changed the need for slowey
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 11:06 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
This, I like Putnam better than Turpen, though my analysis is entirely stat-based, admittedly.
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It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
by cthabeerman on Jan 23, 2012 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
Putnam was in the big leagues last year
he has a decent shot at at OD roster this year.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 11:05 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I saw that too
And I saw a > 6 ERA and a really poor ERA+ and only a few innings pitched and I didn’t give too much credence to it. Although apparently he threw out nine batters on strike and walked no one over 7.1 innings pitched. So anyone with those combined abilities is definitely worth giving a shot.
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by SurfaceThought on Jan 23, 2012 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
That his worst FIP in the minors came in his first time in AAA and @ 3.40 is still damn good
especially combined with a 48% GB rate
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We got Outman and Moscoso.
I think this signaled to the FO that we don’t need Slowey.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
Alright, apparently he is more highly well regarded then I thought just looking at his stats
I just seems that almost a majority of right handed relievers are failed starters anyway; if you are a minor league right handed reliever you have to be pretty darn good to make it to the majors. Looking at his stats the first time I didn’t see anything that great, but now that I’m looking at it again he has a pretty dandy SO/BB ratio throughout his minor league career.
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by SurfaceThought on Jan 23, 2012 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
his GB% is also very good supposedly he has 5 pitches as well
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
So who does he push out of the bullpen then?
It seems like all the slots we have are probably better then him, save the “long/spot start” spot that Rodgers or another young converter starter might take… Do we give the spot to the more talented pitcher and run without a set “long guy” out of the pen?
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by SurfaceThought on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM MST up reply actions
I would like him to make Belisle/Lindstrom expendable at the deadline
maybe a Lindstrom for Macier Izturis trade. As 24 yo with 3 option years left I don’t see a rush to add him, but prefer him to say Matt Daley going forward
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Putnam has already been on a major league roster...
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Not to mention he was on the roster of a team that is probably top 5 in all of baseball
in identifying and developing relievers. Their bullpen is so good that losing Betancourt didn’t really hurt them
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Hmm I've never really thought about it that way, but it's a good point
Add that to the strong K and BB rates and a decent GB rate and he looks pretty solid as a reliever at Coors for several years to come.
Re: Scutaro Trade
What I don’t understand about the Scutaro trade is the line in Renck’s piece where he stated ownership had to approve taking on his money. Even after the trade, aren’t the Rocks several million below last year’s payroll, yet ownership needed to sign off on it? Doesn’t make sense to me, especially considering the increase in attendance last year.
by blake street beer on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM MST reply actions
Attendance didn't really increase last year.
It stayed the same, and was slightly lower per game.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
Still, though, weren't they about 110-12 mil below last year's payroll
before the trade? Why would ownership need to sign off on a move at that point? Was the initial plan to decrease payroll by about 10 mil?
by blake street beer on Jan 23, 2012 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
Sometimes, any contract over a certain amount has to be approved.
It has nothing to do with how much room there is inteh budget.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
Agree
When you’re going to spend more than you thought you would to fill a position, you generally check with your boss even if it’s within the overall budget. I wouldn’t take that as a sign of micromanagement or an indication that the Monforts were looking to cut payroll.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 23, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
I think they are very leary as to how attendance will turn out in 2012. I think they were banking on playoffs in 2011 with a lot of excitement around CarGo and Tulo extensions and it didn’t work out as planned. I think they are being very cautious….then again they did give Cuddyer $30 mil, so wtf do I know
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 12:04 PM MST up reply actions
They already have a good idea of what attendance will be.
They know STH sales, MPH sales, and advance ticket sales.
They’ve known much of this information from a few months ago.
Although the walkup will fluctuate, I don’t think any team makes plans on the walkup.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
Many would argue that their payroll has been too low already the last few years.
Then, to follow up a 73 win season, they planned on decreasing it? Seems like a bad business plan
by blake street beer on Jan 23, 2012 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
Welcome to the Row.
I’m not sure who would argue that. I don’t think most Front Offices look at player acquisitions according to whether the payroll is too low or too high. I think they have a budget, Then they try to make the moves to get the best players within that budget. Sometimes they can do this as a saving. But I don;t see most FOs deciding that the best moves is to save more money. If a good move saves money, it’s a bonus.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for the Welcome
I am using the terms budget and payroll as synonymns in this particular instance, and perhaps I shouldn’t be.
After the season, given the strong attendance and the poor record, I would have expected the budget to remain the same or increase slightly. I have continued to hold this notion, however incorrectly, until I read the Renck piece that had the throway line about ownership needing to approve the trade do to Scutaro’s salary. Now, maybe I am reading too much into it, but is quite disconcerting to think that instead of keeping the budget the same or even increasing it, the real plan was to cut it fairly significantly, hence the need for approval to acquire Scutaro.
by blake street beer on Jan 23, 2012 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
I think you're reading too much into that.
It’s standard procedure for ownership to approve contracts, particularly major league contracts at that cost. None of the moves made by the FO this year indicate budget cutting. If anything, the Cuddyer signing indicates the opposite as they could have acquired slightly less-than-comparable production for less money.
The FO got rid of players who they felt had not met the expectations set by the team. Any savings from those acquisitions was a bonus. A bonus that helped us acquire Scutaro, but a bonus nonetheless.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 1:04 PM MST up reply actions
Probably So
I assumed that O’Dowd has the autonomy to operate under a particular budget and wouldn’t need approval for any move that kept the team below this (exept for something far-reaching that would affect other areas, like trading Helton, for instance)
by blake street beer on Jan 23, 2012 1:10 PM MST up reply actions
Coming off a down year, lower revenue.
I think it’s more of what they’re expecting to happen in 2012.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 1:15 PM MST up reply actions
Welcome aboard
and nice name. I think the decrease in expected payroll will be taken up at a later time with a possible mid-season trade. We will have to see though
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OT: A new re-write of the Odd Couple should be written
Starring me and Maria. It would be perfect.
I like sriracha and onions, she doesn’t.
She loves the Beatles, I don’t.
I prefer the company of the opposite sex, she doesn’t.
She’s Cold, I’m not
Yet we get along.
Its guaranteed to get better ratings than Tebow being on TV.
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We both prefer the company of the ladies.
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And I was still able to make that appear to be an opposite.
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Isn’t this like the opposite of Will and Grace or something?
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 1:06 PM MST up reply actions
Yes.
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It would be Epic.
We would need a totally butch friend for you to have
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^14
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by Thnikkaman on Jan 23, 2012 1:27 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
can I have some?
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 24, 2012 12:40 AM MST up reply actions
you were butch
before butch was cool.
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But are you female?
I can’t divulge more because it would reveal too much knowledge of Will and Grace.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
I was just thinking Butch.
Then we could start calling Amart Sundance.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
Can I be Hooch?
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I see you as more of a male Karen Walker...
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by Junction Rox on Jan 23, 2012 1:32 PM MST up reply actions
Actually, the real opposite of Will & Grace
would be that Thnikkaman as a friend who is all of the worst stereotypes of heterosexual men.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 1:20 PM MST up reply actions
Is that what grace is?
If that’s the case, then screw that idea. I want to be a likeable character.
Kind of like how Schmidt is a likeable DB on New Girl.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 1:27 PM MST up reply actions
I was thinking more that Maria would be the Will character
and I was the Grace character.
But this is just getting too wrong too fast.
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Holy Crap a positive story on Fangraphs
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/scutaro-a-perfect-fit-for-rockies/
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 1:27 PM MST up reply actions
well, it was swydan
former employee and all; knows who used to scratch his back
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The Rockies have had a confusing offseason
In an offseason where the Rockies have confounded observers, they pulled a rare carrot out of their hat
It’s a move that few would have expected, which in a sense puts it right alongside some of their other deals this winter.
Assuming Tracy can resist the urge to tinker with the lineup too much, Scutaro should slot in nicely in the two-hole.
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
Completely agree with this statement
(though I still would like to see Chris Nelson get 500 plate appearances on some big-league team)
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
well he can't hit anywhere else
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something tracy never tinkers with
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
he will probably hit 7th or 8th at that point
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
cleanup
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nope
that’s for the backup catcher when the starting SS is out
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those are pretty honest coming from them
they worship DIPS and UZR so a lot of things don’t make sense to them
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before the scutaro trade,
those were pretty accurate almost regardless of your viewpoint
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I was never confused but I certainly understand that many were
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This will be welcomed for sure
last season he was one of just 10 players to walk more than they struck out (min. 400 PA)
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
That contact rate is going to be nasty in Coors – and hopefully can transition well on the road. If he transitions well and Fowler grows, we just got a great 1/2 punch at the top.
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I'm still dreaming about 2014, when we have a great 1-6 punch:
Fowler/Story/Cargo/Tulo/Arenado/Wheeler
- drools *
We better start extending Fowler soon then
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you'll have to cool it on Story
Even if he followed Arenado’s meteoric path, he would be in 2014 what Arenado is now….no at bats above A ball.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 1:47 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe... if he or Herrera mashes they might get bumped a little quicker
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maybe
they’d have to thoroughly outclass what Arenado has done, which is a high bar
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 1:50 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
2015 still looks good though
and 2016
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Slight chance Fowler is here in 2013.
He’s a guy I think the team trades next offseason.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 4:37 PM MST up reply actions
Oops, should read 2014**.
And not exactly a slight chance. But not a certainty.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 4:37 PM MST up reply actions
interesting thought
cargo or blackmon in center?
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Blackmon.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 4:39 PM MST up reply actions
i don't hate it
if he has a good couple seasons, he could be very, very valuable.
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he being dexter
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It really depends on how Blackmon looks this season though.
And how Wheeler progresses in AA. I say this because the team did not make a move to trade either Blackmon or Wheeler, which is going to cause a problem next season.
Dex makes sense to trade. Scott Boras as client, team controlled for another 3 seasons after 2012, a guy I’m looking at to really break through this year.
Look for either one of two options with Dex next offseason: 1) trade him OR 2) sign him to a long-term deal.
If the team looks to accomplish #2, I think either Blackmon/Wheeler go in trades. It really just depends on the development of all 3 players this season.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 4:44 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think Blackmon is considered capable of playing CF at Coors full time
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 5:00 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
CarGo could always transition there.
Though it looks like (but I’m guessing based on his pictures) he’s getting bigger. Looking more and more like a corner OF to me.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 5:02 PM MST up reply actions
Sinkerballers and Coors Field pitching
Thanks for the recap! I always wondered exactly what sort of things go on at fanfest.
On the point DoD made about “not only sinkerballers”, this is a point that I think the front office gets but is lost on some fans. Ask any great pitcher or any catcher who’s caught great pitchers in the majors about what you need to be effective, and you’ll get some variant about being unpredictable. Varying speeds, locations, etc. The mark of dominance is when a catcher can call any pitch in any count and the pitcher can deliver it for a strike (swinging if it’s off the plate, called on the plate). Sometimes this means you don’t throw your best pitch or the pitch the hitter is weakest at hitting, because if you always did this you’d be very predictable and major league hitters can hit just about anything if they know it’s coming.
The same approach has to be taken with the rotation itself. So, yes, sinkerballers are probably the most effective pitchers at Coors Field, but if you have too many of them in your rotation you make life pretty easy on the opposing manager and team. Mixing in some guys that give up flyballs that stay in the park (and can be run down by great outfielders like Dex and CarGo) makes a lot of sense. We also have to consider that the same rotation starts 81 games away from Coors.
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typically lots of things go on a fan fest including wine induced orgies and round talks about the French revolution and the production of firearms in the phillipines
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 1:36 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait. Are we talking about fanfest or PR meetups?
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Hey you guys
No orgies before I can come and visit, okay?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
might need some binoculars
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I’ve been meaning to say that if you need cheap accommodations, I’ve got extra space though I also have two kids and I live about a 30 minute drive north of downtown, so it might not be ideal for you. But, if you’re still interested, email me.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 2:06 PM MST up reply actions
also no orgies at petro's
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you can come too
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it's not like you wouldn't be invited
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 2:34 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
So Russ typically organizes fan fest?
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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known for his killer itinerary
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 23, 2012 2:02 PM MST up reply actions
and coordination with star wars conventions
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what does everyone think of Detroit resigning Betemit to DH/3B
he has a .290/.359/.479 line with 21HR and 42 2B over his last 674 PA, is terrible at defense, and is probably cheaper than Damon.
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I totally spaced that Betemit signed with Pit
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Astros will be evaluating whether to change their name away from Astros for 2013
according to Zachary Levine
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 3:26 PM MST via Android app reply actions
So Lastros become permanent?
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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WHAT?
They’re really looking to alienate their fan base.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 3:33 PM MST up reply actions
maybe they'll be renamed the "Killer Bees"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 3:44 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
It's just odd.
I think the new ownership really wants a break from the past, but the past really hasn’t been that bad to the Astros. The last few years have been terrible, but they’ve been much better over the last two decades than many teams. Hopefully they don’t go crazy. Even if the space program is dead, the Astros, and the Astrodome, are a great part of baseball history. It’d be bad to lost that.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 23, 2012 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
Scince when do Selig and company care about history?
It’s all about the greenbacks baby!
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Selig doesn't own the Astros.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 7:22 AM MST up reply actions
Colts?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 23, 2012 3:33 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Nah, they already ditched the cowboy image
They need something more true to modern Houston.
Like:
The Houston Mosquitos
The Houston Humidifiers
The Houston Frackers
2012 has to be a better year. Doesn't it?
The Houston Frackers would be awesome
on so many different levels.
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by glaucophane on Jan 23, 2012 7:05 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
move them to austin
and cal them the austin wierdos
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I hope they make their name ‘Rap Game’
The Houston Rap Game sounds like a team I can endorse.
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sounds like the name of a professional lacrosse team
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Alternately, but with the same effect, they could just change their name to the Screwston Astros. Miss you, DJ Screw.
Man, I remember when Paul Wall, Mike Jones, Lil Flip and Swishahouse were at the top of the hip-hop heap. That was a fun six weeks in the summer of 2004. Do you suppose Paul Wall has had to pawn his grills yet? And is Lil Flip even still alive? And why am I asking this group these questions?
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I think a uniform change would suffice.
Bring back the cheesy orange.
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I liked the navy blue and gold trimmed ones
from the 90s
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I think they did in San Diego, too.
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If everyone in the current projected lineup and possible upcoming replacements all play a full healthy season
Does anyone else think that 1 thru 8 in the batting order could all hit .280+ with 20HR / 20 2B?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 23, 2012 3:32 PM MST via mobile reply actions
no on the home runs at 1, 2, 7, 8 and maybe 6
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 3:45 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
You don't think Hernandez + Rosario can reach 20 HRs?
I’d say the .280+ batting average would be the hard part for them
i think hernandez could hit .280
i doubt wilin could
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I don't think we should assume Wilin will be on the roster all year
he very well might start in AAA to get some developmental time.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 5:02 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Not just the players themselves, but just actual lineup spots.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 23, 2012 3:53 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I know
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 23, 2012 5:01 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
c'mon now
Dex could hit 10 over the wall and 10 inside the park. EASY.
What the hell you lookin' at?
I assume you mean 20 HR or 20 2B, not both?
It would be amusing imagining our first basemen trying to get to 20 SB.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 23, 2012 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
Thats a "2B", not an "SB"
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Jan 23, 2012 4:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Too bad
I was looking forward to seeing Giambi steal third.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 23, 2012 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
Helton once stole home
double steal I think but it still counts
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Interesting stuff
John Sickels posted his 2012 farm system rankings
We’re #13, but he does imply that we could move up significantly with strong showings at higher levels from guys like Matzek, Cabrera, and Herrera
sounds about right to me. The middle of these ranking lists are always impossible and pretty volatile. Hopefully we start seeing more best-case scenarios in the future.
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people on DRaysBay want to send niemann our way
they want a catcher though, and we’re not trading rosario for someone with as little value as niemann
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lets trade them Chatwood and say he’s basically Iannetta
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what if we didn't have rosario?
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well no, say we used rosario to get something
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Pretty obvious Rosario isn't going anywhere after the Hernandez sign.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 4:51 PM MST up reply actions
this alternate universe branches off before that day
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Okay, I'll bite.
Iannetta is a solid catcher and I’d resign him for another year because we really need to develop a catcher (how much confidence do you have in an Wil Swanner to develop into a MLB catcher after 2 years of rookie ball? can’t be much). Iannetta was a good catcher.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 4:55 PM MST up reply actions
Is Rosario the only catcher in our system?
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.
no, but hernandez can't start more than maybe 100 games
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Rosario is our only tradeable catcher, really.
So no. I think the rotation is fine as it is.
Chacin
Hammel
White
Outman
Nicasio
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
Like a lot of people have said, I think he needs to be in the minors at the beginning of the season.
Limiting his innings (say go 5 innings per outing in the minors) to avoid injury.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 4:53 PM MST up reply actions
But he's fully demonstrated that there's nothing more that he can learn in AA
To return him to Tulsa would only serve to frustrate him, and it would seem that the organization is still leery of pitching prospects at the Springs.
Starting from his Ole Miss days, he’s gone 70 —> 95 —> 120 in terms of IP. By that progression, if we assume that he can handle ~150-160 innings in 2012, we could start him out in the bigs and begin skipping starts after the ASB like the Rangers did with Ogando.
I understand.
There are definitely questions that will be answered at ST. I am a believer in Outman and believe Pomeranz will make a couple minor league starts to further strengthen his arm/body before the team lets him go. Just my thought. You could well be right though.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 5:06 PM MST up reply actions
But when could he make those minor league starts?
I don’t think any of the minor league seasons start as soon as the major league season does.
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by Junction Rox on Jan 23, 2012 5:08 PM MST up reply actions
Tulsa has games starting april 5th
I can’t tell if those are spring training games or if thats when the actual season starts though. I’m sure someone else knows those facts
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Niemann would be a pretty big improvement there
And he’s young. But I still wouldn’t trade Rosario for him.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 23, 2012 4:57 PM MST up reply actions
I wish we could get Niemann (not going to give up Rosario though) and trade Hammel.
That definitely makes that rotation stronger. But it would never happen
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 4:59 PM MST up reply actions
You sure you're not thinking of Wade Davis?
Because Niemann’s not bad. Too bad we don’t have a catcher to trade other than Rosario … But I’m 100% sure we tried the Rays before sending CDI to the Angels.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 23, 2012 4:58 PM MST up reply actions
no, wade davis is awful
i want no part of him
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JFK's Quote of the Day:
“I could ask the Phillies to keep me on to add to my statistics, but my love for the game won’t let me do that.” ~Mike Schmidt Retirement Speech (May 29, 1989)
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LOL: Did the Red Sox really give us their starting SS ...
so that they could sign Cody Ross???
by BostonTransplant on Jan 23, 2012 6:22 PM MST reply actions
Ben Charrington
But his hands are tied as ownership seems to have forced him to try and improve the team while shedding payroll. They are doing whatever they can to avoid going over the luxury tax threshehold this year due to the newer and more severe penalties of the new cba.
by blake street beer on Jan 23, 2012 7:52 PM MST up reply actions
they traded Reddick or whoever to Oakland I think and Carl Crawford may not be ready to start the season if I recall correctly.
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They coulda had Seth Smith for Marco Scutaro
I would think, anyway.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 23, 2012 7:36 PM MST up reply actions
ross is right-handed, though
and can play all 3 positions in the OF… for $3m and incentives, that’s a pretty good sign
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I'm sure they could have
but I’m glad they didn’t. I don’t think Oakland would have ever given us 2 starters for Clay Mortensen…
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by Junction Rox on Jan 23, 2012 8:21 PM MST up reply actions
Really?
I highly doubt that. We traded them Clay friggin’ Mortensen.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 11:21 PM MST up reply actions
If they had made the offer in the winter meeting they could have
before gonzalez was with the Brewers, Hairston and Ellis were with the Dodgers, Macdonald was re-upped by AZ, Furcal was in STL et al.
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That is kind of funny
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A Ross and Smith platoon here would have probably
provided 80-90% of Cuddyer’s production for 50% of the cost. But the main problem with platoons is that it isn’t as easy as it seems to maximize both players strengths.
by blake street beer on Jan 23, 2012 7:58 PM MST reply actions
And they're not that simple.
Less playing time for each player, which could theoretically harm their stats.
I’ve warmed up to the Cuddyer signing. I think DOD has had a very good offseason, even with the experts saying otherwise.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 11:22 PM MST up reply actions
Is Purple Row asleep?
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Has been for a few hours now
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People hibernate early around here in the winter..
then they’re up all night for West Coast road trips in the summer.
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So I've heard
I catch the games I just don’t get involved that late at night. Like right now I’m finishing a snack and heading to bed (obviously after I post this though).
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It's official..
Also, I had a really bad day. Could really use some baseball, or meth.
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Nope.
Just finished an IM basketball game. ’Twas fun :)
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 23, 2012 11:22 PM MST up reply actions
No, I never sleep.
I'M SORRY I WAS EVER MAD AT YOU, ROCKIES! COME BACK TO ME! I LOVE YOU!!
by prettyinpurple on Jan 24, 2012 12:40 AM MST up reply actions
Love the sig
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thanks
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