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Tuesday Rockpile: O'Dowd's Pieces Fit Well, But Is It the Right Puzzle?

Dan O'Dowd is in the middle of his 13th offseason as the Rockies' general manager. Thirteen. Soon after Opening Day, thousands of Coloradoans will be graduating from high school. That's not unusual in itself of course, but consider that graduating class was in their first weeks of kindergarten when O'Dowd was hired as the Rockies' second general manager.

In the time it would take to raise a child through the entirety of this country's public school system, Dan O'Dowd has presided over this franchise, enacting a half dozen master plans along the way. I kid you not, he has seen some...stuff. He has been called a dealer, a clown, a genius, a fool, clever, directionless, and executive of the year. Throughout it all, he has been consistently candid. O'Dowd recently sat down with Richard Justice for one such candid interview to convey the course of this unique offseason.

O'Dowd has come to understand that the really good teams are the ones that get four things:

• Star players performing at a high level.
• Surprising performances from at least one or two young players. ("Look at the Diamondbacks last year," O'Dowd said. "They didn't expect Ian Kennedy to put up Cy Young numbers. They didn't know Paul Goldschmidt was going to contribute the way he did. Every good ballclub needs that.")
• Good health.
• Intangibles.

This list could be nitpicked, but by and large, it seems to be reasonable. Unfortunately for general managers, these are not really in direct control of the general manager. We have seen O'Dowd stack the deck on at least three of these in his master plans.

He tried to compliment Todd Helton with Mike Hampton and Denny Neagle to push his chips into bullet one. Money alone does not guarantee stars playing at a high level. The last several years, he has mostly stuck by the young prospects, hoping an Iannetta/Fowler/Stewart/Smith would put up a break out season. No dice. Good health is a roll of the die, unless you bring in injury-riddled old players. Let's pass on this for now.

Now we get to intangibles, where O'Dowd is really stacking the deck. This roster has its stars capable of playing at a high level already. It has young players capable of breaking out, particularly in the rotation, center field, and maybe even third base. O'Dowd has sacrificed the odds in the health category, the one arguably most up to good fortune, so he can push all his chips into the intangibles category. His line of thinking is now clear: guarantee success with the intangibles bullet, have good odds in the other three categories, and this team could surprise some people.

The biggest changes to the roster were to catcher, third base and right field. The organization clearly believed four years was enough to turn the page on Ian Stewart and Chris Iannetta, and in so doing, sought out veteran bridges to their top two position player prospects, Nolan Arenado and Wilin Rosario. Neither Iannetta nor Stewart would have taken kindly to being pushed aside, but in Casey Blake and Ramon Hernandez, O'Dowd found ideal men for the job. In the case of Hernandez, I dare say the perfect guy:

"I will help any player - catcher, pitcher or even a position player. I think that's great. I want to teach (Rosario) everything I can teach him. I know the guy's going to be the future of this organization, so if he's the guy and he's got all the tools and he's ready to be in the big leagues, then come on, go ahead, I'll be ready to help." - Ramon Hernandez

Will it work? Who knows? O'Dowd himself does not.

"It remains to be seen if we accomplished anything," O'Dowd said. "I've been humbled enough times to know nothing is certain. I thought we'd be good last year, and we stunk. I don't think we're a championship quality team as we sit here today. With young pitchers, you can have incredible inconsistency, or they can take off and run with it. That's the great unknown." - Justice

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Not long ago, most were confused with what O'Dowd was thinking. Now, people are confused with how O'Dowd pulled a few deals off.

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This Date in Rockies History

2011: Traded RHP Ethan Hollingsworth for RHP Clayton Mortensen. Mort was Rockies' property for all of 363 days.

2011: Signed OF Willy Taveras. I heard he did learn to finally steal first base. It was just a Spring Training drill though.

2007: Signed RHP Brian Lawrence. Billed as a move akin to Shawn Estes, he never re-found his career here.

2003: Signed SS Jose Hernandez. A huge disappointment. Signed after an All-Star season to be the shortstop, he hit just .237/.308/.362 and was traded for Mark Bellhorn in June.

2003: Signed 1B/OF Mark Sweeney. A decent pinch hitter.

1997: Signed 3B/OF Darnell Coles. After missing the previous season, the 35-year-old former Mariner/Tiger/Pirate/Gaint/Red/Blue Jay/Cardinal played 21 games from the bench to close out his career.

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Cold Water

Since the Scutaro trade, much has been made of the depth of the Rockies' line-up. Five of the nine players in the 2011 Opening Day line-up have been traded away. Here is what the new line-up looks like right now with their ZiPS OPS+ projections:

Rockiesprojectedlineup_medium

There are three players with an OPS+ of 97 or more. It'll still be great for the division though, right? Certainly way better than the Giants....who have....oh. Six players of 97 OPS+ or more. Huh.

Giantsprojectedlineup_medium

So what gives? The aging curve won't be kind to the Rockies' lineup, according to Szymborski's algorithms. A lineup that features Scutaro, Helton, Hernandez and Blake is likely to get at least one nosedive due to age. Meanwhile, the Giants really only have two men on the tail end of their careers. Fighting off Father Time will be a big aspect to the Rockies' line-up, one we may not have looked at deeply enough.

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Meh...

Belt is a small-sample size, and Cabrera (of the Melky version) had a career year in ‘11, imo. At least it looks like the G-Men won’t have both Timmy Tam and Cain in their Rotation for the future…

by nt_eagle on Jan 24, 2012 7:50 AM MST reply actions  

Projections aren't built on just last year

Belt only had a 101 OPS+ last year. Usually break out years and BABIP are considered, I believe, and projections tempered down.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 7:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Huff 103?

Nah, I don’t think so.

by maris61 on Jan 24, 2012 8:09 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree.

I consider myself to be a “modern” thinker when it comes to baseball analytics, but I’ve never fully understood or believed in the ZiPS projections, and very simple, straight-forward, “really?” type comparisons like these Sandoval-Tulo and Belt-Cargo projections is the primary reason why.

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by Gasstation1 on Jan 24, 2012 8:19 AM MST up reply actions  

yeah I'm not buying those projections at all

I think it’s more likely that Belt gets sent down to the minors this year than outhits Carlos. And I think it’s more likely that Huff gets DFA than outhits Todd.

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by Hollidayrain on Jan 24, 2012 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

its hard to figure what a disaster coming off an mvp candidate year should look like

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 8:12 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

this is true

I’ve actually asked him to review them, specifically Fowler’s oddly low projection. his career OPS+ was 94 before 2011, when he had a 105

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 8:21 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Q+A Video from Fan Fest Day 2

Link

I just about died laughing at about 1:45… Todd’s reaction was priceless.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 7:56 AM MST reply actions  

OMG I just hate Tracy's face so much

No comment of personality, ability etc. I just hate the way his face is made. I know this makes me a bad person.

It's my blog!

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 8:10 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

the kind face you want to either spit in

or heel kick. Either one.

What the hell you lookin' at?

by Johnny Tits on Jan 24, 2012 8:17 AM MST up reply actions  

haha they included blackmon's answer

that was my favorite one of the day.

we were a level up but you could see down and hear that interview session. My friend was right at the railing and Todd looked straight up at her, and she started waving frantically and Todd just gave this huge smirk. It was hilarious.

Also, that guy who listed off all the OBP of the projected lineup, hes one of you Rowbots right?

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by purplesocks on Jan 24, 2012 9:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Okay

Speaking of hilarious moments involving Todd Helton. My mom has the BIGGEST crush on Todd (we had to go through the autograph line twice so she could meet him again, he sorta rolled his eyes and laughed). She refers to him as “My Todd” on a regular basis – and as I was taking a picture of Mom and Todd, his daughter was sitting off to the side. My mom told him how he’s known as “My Todd” around our house, and his daughter looks at her, waits a beat, and goes “No, he’s MY Todd!” We were cracking up.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Was that handsome dude you ?


In all things, it is better to hope than despair.

by butterfly on Jan 24, 2012 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes.

Oh, which handsome dude did you mean?

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

ha, lf you have to ask....:P


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by butterfly on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

The handsome dude - No

The dude asking about OPS – Yes

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

That's a pretty hat.

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by prettyinpurple on Jan 24, 2012 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

You like it because it's purple right?

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 5:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Well yeah!

(And same color as mine, except shinier in your case :P).

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by prettyinpurple on Jan 24, 2012 6:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 6:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Aw man...

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

It's that obvious, huh.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 5:20 PM MST up reply actions  

This video oozes awesomeness.

It makes me happy.

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by prettyinpurple on Jan 24, 2012 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

The greatest thing about this is that, out of all of the questions asked

RIRF was chosen as the highlight clip.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 5:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep.

And also add

I’ll go google it or something.

to great quotes by Todd Helton about the internet.

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by prettyinpurple on Jan 24, 2012 6:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm actually surprised

There was another question that I thought was much funnier. One little boy asked, “What do you do when you have to deal with a coach that you’re not liking very much?”

To which Giambi replied: " I don’t know. That’s a great question. Flip him the bird maybe?"

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 25, 2012 7:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Hernandez

I think we’ll be in trouble if he’s in CF

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by Blake20th on Jan 24, 2012 8:01 AM MST reply actions  

.

Is it April yet?

by Rosenort on Jan 24, 2012 8:03 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Excel autofill ftl

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 8:06 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Interesting observation
Dan O’Dowd might have thought he was rebuilding last July. The guy sort of changes out his organizational philosophies like they have the shelf life of open avocados.

by Northsider1964 on Jan 24, 2012 8:11 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm amused

that the secret file room at Coors is “moist.” twas a good piece

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 8:14 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Here's a question:

Would the Rockies be better off now if they’d kept Ubaldo, assuming all the other transactions remained the same?

I think it’s likely that they’d be better in 2012, but 2013 will depend a lot on how Pomeranz (and White) develop. Considering that 2013 should be better on paper as Arenado and Rosario are more likely to make significant contributions, I think the trade is probably beneficial.

by RoxnSox09 on Jan 24, 2012 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

I think

It’s almost a lock that either White or Pom develops into a better pitcher than future Ubaldo. If one develops, we just bought some cheap years of solid pitching. If both develop to be better, we win in a big way.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 9:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Is that because you believe, like Grant suggests in the article

that Ubaldo has already thrown his best pitches? Or because you think Pomeranz/White are just that good? I could see the reasoning in the former, but I think there is way too much uncertainty to believe the latter.

by RoxnSox09 on Jan 24, 2012 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

A combination of both

While we haven’t seen it at the ML level yet (for many reasons), Pom and White have the potential to be wicked. I think Ubaldo will regress (in a good way) to the mean, but I doubt he’ll see another sub-3.00 ERA season, especially now that he’s in the AL. All around, I think it was a very good move by DOD.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Sure they have the potential to be wicked.

They might even have the potential to be Ubaldo-esque. But until they actually realize that potential I don’t think we can expect it. I think expecting something between their respective floors and ceilings would be better.

by RoxnSox09 on Jan 24, 2012 10:22 AM MST up reply actions  

The thing is

Outside of 2010, Ubaldo was very good, but he was never elite in my mind (more of a #2 on most teams). I think that’s well within the potential between White and Pom

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

the guy has pitched 1/2 hi games in the most extremely unfavorable

pitching environment in MLB he is top 10 in Road FIP since 2008 lets give him a year or two elsewhere before we write him off as a 2-3.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 11:24 AM MST up reply actions  

I never said 3

And I never said he wasn’t a great pitcher – I LOVED the guy… I just don’t think he’s elite.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 11:29 AM MST up reply actions  

he isn't anymore

but he was for about a 3 year stretch

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 11:30 AM MST up reply actions  

he had a 3.3 FIP last year with a 9k/9 and a 49.6GB%

on the Road last year lets just wait a bit before declaring him done.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Well

to throw a pitch better than the one he did to Uribe would be very difficult

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by jrockies on Jan 24, 2012 5:35 PM MST up reply actions  

One of the comments I enjoyed
Any team with Jim Tracy as a manager
probably doesn’t have too much of a clue what they’re doing. I think the Indians will be fine.

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by purplesocks on Jan 24, 2012 10:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Belt 121 OPS+?

Bwahahahaha. I’ll eat a hat. I also doubt Melky and Huff are over 100 (or 97, for that matter).

Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.

by BrandonHawpe on Jan 24, 2012 8:14 AM MST reply actions  

I bet Panda makes a run at MVP though

he finally realized what offseason conditioning is and he’ll build off of last year’s turnaround.

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by Charlie77 on Jan 24, 2012 8:24 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

You mean

Offseason conditioning is not eat as much cake every day as his stomach can handle?

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Self control... self control...

I resisted posting This is Birdland so that I could burn my gif of the day on Aubrey Huff… and now I can’t post the Panda Cake.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 11:02 AM MST up reply actions  

OT: my company is eliminating my position on Jan 31

Looks like I get to be a stay-at-home dad. I’m so scared I can’t stop hyperventilating every time i think about it.

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by Charlie77 on Jan 24, 2012 8:39 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

:-(

I got out of a meeting yesterday where management told us layoffs are almost inevitable… all of that after they laid someone off with one day’s notice. What do you do for a living?

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 8:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Southern Utah

my department just finished top 20 in the company, out of 800 stores. But the rest of our sales have been down so my position is being cut.

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by Charlie77 on Jan 24, 2012 9:25 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Thanks..

Lets juat say Im hitting the sunflower seeds a little early today.

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by Charlie77 on Jan 24, 2012 10:17 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

I've had my bag already

And I don’t want to get into my pistachios.

What is it that you do?

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

BAHAHA Nice

It’s take some real skill to get it over my cube wall, around the corner, and into her office.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

What's he gonna do, fire me?

btw the sunflower seed commercial is my favorite Rockies ad.

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by Charlie77 on Jan 24, 2012 3:08 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

do you live in Denver?

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

A challenge

Tell me why your view through inevitable purple tinted glasses is more accurate than an objective formula computer generated system. We are Rockies fans who mostly isolate our reading and discourse with other Rockies fans.

I’m not saying the projections don’t look wrong. Tell me why specifically the Rockies might have been underappreciated through ZiPS. I made a suggest in the piece. Otherwise, input from more objective sources is worth more than dismissing out of hand because it doeabt jive with our hopes

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 8:31 AM MST via Android app reply actions  

UZR

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 8:33 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm guessing this is a joke

since UZR has nothing to do with OPS+

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 8:39 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Indeed

UZR being the knee-jerk “what’s wrong with Coors stats” response.

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 8:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Not that I have a better answer, mind.

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 8:41 AM MST up reply actions  

My guess is that ZiPS

isn’t so much underappreciating the Rockies as it is boosting the Giants for playing in the hitters’ dungeon that is AT&T Park.

by Northsider1964 on Jan 24, 2012 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

this is a decent hypothesis

esp considering Belt, Pagan and Cabrera have little to go on statistically in that park.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 8:47 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

It was interesting to hear Carlos Beltran on MLB Network

talking about how brutal it was to hit there. He said he liked his time with the Giants, but that hitting at AT&T was a nightmare.

by Northsider1964 on Jan 24, 2012 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

particularly LHB

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 9:08 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Computers and mathematic models in general do a very poor job of predicting human behavior

What they constantly miss is that humans learn and adjust, different humans learn and adjust at very different rates, and even the same human learns and adjusts at different rates at different times. We don’t have good ways to measure that. If we have a bunch of guys in our rotation that learn and adjust at Ian Stewart’s rate, we’re in trouble. Hopefully we have a few that are on the other end of the spectrum and we figure out who those are early on.

They also can’t predict injuries, which as others have noted, could have a big impact on this season.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jan 24, 2012 9:01 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

The projections are fine.

OPS+ is only one stat though. It tends to deflate the Rockies and inflate the Giants because of the weakness of the park-adjustment factors.

Also, with OPS+, the difference between a 97 by Pagan and a 94 by Fowler is relatively slim. If you’re looking at a combined OPS+ across both lineups, the difference is about 3.4 points per lineup spot. This falls close to a margin of error type of difference.

What this leaves us with is the fact that the Giants and Rockies project to have relatively similar offensive production from their starting lineups this year. This is if you agree with the premise that:

1) The 2010 of Posey and Huff and 2011 of Cabrera were not aberrations as they might appear, and Belt’s development is going to be successful.

2) Age is going to catch up with the Oldies at nearly the exact same rate.

These factors, some of which you mentioned, are built into these projections. Without Rockies-colored glasses, I think that it is fair to question the projections for Huff and Posey as including recent years that might inflate their projected effectiveness.

It is fair to question whether Belt is ready for the projected level of improvement since he did not show much improvement in the last half of 2011. In fact, he showed a decline from July to August with only a slight improvement in Sept.

It’s fair to question the automatic factoring in of age. Particularly with Scutaro and Helton who have had these strange peaks and valleys over the course of the last years making them difficult to project.

2) The age

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 9:04 AM MST up reply actions  

I am trying to wrap my head around what OPS+ projections really mean in the larger context of the team.

I’ll use the projections for Fowler and Pagan as an example in my thinking-out-loud-thought-experiment because they are virtually the same number.

So they way I understand OPS+ and other park adjusted numbers is that Fowler could end up with a 270/350/450 (avg/obp/slg) line and Pagan could have a 250/330/400 line and OPS+ would say equal production. When you factor in pitching, the Giants require less offensive output for an equal number of wins. While it may be more fun to watch Dexter put up decent numbers, his possible increased production (raw numbers) would mean less toward the team actually winning if there is questionable pitching.

I guess what I am trying to say is that even if the Giants were projected to have lower OPS+ numbers across the board, their pitching more than makes up for it.

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by BittenAnkles on Jan 24, 2012 9:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes.

We’re a .500 team unless we have breakouts from the rotation.

The Giants are going to compete for the division again.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I would have to compare their accuracy from years past to be sure

but Casey blake has posted an OPS+ of 93 or higher every year since 03, he has a 108 OPS+ over the last 3 years, Aubrey Huff has a 105 OPS+ over the last three years one is projected for an 82 OPS+ the other for a 103 OPS+ color me sceptical. It seems like all ZIPS really is is a 3 year average, a little weight for age, a little weight for MiLB numbers and boom projected.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 9:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Boom: Silicon Valley

this explains the Giants zips and why the A’s are stuck in Oakland.

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by Charlie77 on Jan 24, 2012 9:29 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

My guess

Would be, like you said, over-compensating for age. While I’m excited about this lineup, I won’t be surprised if one of Hernandez, Scuatro, Blake, and yes, even Helton or Cuddyer gets broken or worn down at some point this season. In addition, we haven’t seen an outstanding full season out of Fowler yet – the only two solid bets in our lineup (and by “solid bet” I mean consistent performance, entering a season in their primes, and a lower chance of injury) are Tulo and Cargo.

Of course, none of this explains why ZiPS is so high on the Gints.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 9:05 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't think that it is all that high.

You have to remember that OPS+ is park and league adjusted. This causes for some interesting comparisons when viewing the Giants and the Rockies head-to-head.

The questionable projections to me are Posey, Huff, and Belt. The rest seem pretty accurate. I think the numbers for Posey and Huff are relying on seasons that were aberrations. These seasons help raise the mean to which they were regressing. I find Huff particularly dubious as Posey might be developing enough if everything works out ok.

Belt just hasn’t shown me that he’s ready for a breakout season as suggested here. A league average bat looks worse in SF than elsewhere in the league, but 121 seems a little high for me and mostly based on inflated BABIP numbers.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 9:13 AM MST up reply actions  

I think we agree – it seems the projections are expecting breakout seasons for some unproven players for the Giants (Belt especially), yet not for players like Dexter (although maybe a 94 OPS+ in Denver is really good, I’m not sure how to compare the metric if it really is apples and oranges between Coors and AT&T).

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 9:18 AM MST up reply actions  

Dex projections are based on last year being an aberration with a regression back to the mean set by the previous years.

The Belt minor league numbers are pulling his mean way up. This is the same with the 2010 numbers from Huff and Posey.

This is what happens in these projections.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Gotcha

So Dexter’s prediction compares last year to all previous years, and assumes that he’ll regress to the mean? That seems like a good formula for a prediction, but isn’t adequate for an interesting case like Dex.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 9:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Nor do I think it is great in the cases of:

Belt
Posey
Huff
Helton
Scutaro

Besides that, everyone else seems pretty fair, though the heavy weight of age is most likely not going to strike all four of our aged starters. The issue is that those four guys will also not be starting as much as the comparable Giants players, so if you think that the bench production might decrease effectiveness, I’m not sure that it doesn’t all shake out in the end with the age factor.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 9:29 AM MST up reply actions  

The age factor weighs differently for different positions

And OPS doesn’t account for that.

Huff’s projected OPS, even if it’s accurate (which I doubt … it’s pumped up by what I think will prove to be an aberrational 2010), doesn’t reflect the fact that as a poor outfielder to start with, and now an aging horrible outfielder, he’s going to cost his team big time on defense.

Yeah, Helton, Blake and Scutaro are old, but their positions don’t demand great range. (Although I think Scutaro will be fine at 2B, and his OPS reflects 3 years of hitting against AL East pitching.)

Put another way, you could construct an “all OPS outfield” of Huff, Beltran and Cuddyer types, and the OPS list would look great, but on-field it would be a disaster.

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by Muzia on Jan 24, 2012 10:25 AM MST up reply actions  

RIRF, I hope you don't mind, but I directed Dan Szymborski to this post and asked for his thoughts.

He gave me permission to post his responses here:

@biondino Every single player on that list either played above their career averages in 2011 or is pushing 40.

@biondino Tulowitzki’s and to a lesser extent Gonzalez, represent the one-sided risk nature of really good players.

@biondino There are far more scenarios that involve Tulowitzki playing worse than better – that’s one reason reg. toward mean exists.

@biondino If you have a player of any age that’s had OPS+ 140, 140, 140, 140 and don’t project <140, you’re probably doing it wrong.

@biondino And in Fowler’s case, he didn’t have a 105 for the year, just in the majors. His 114 PA minor league line was pretty awful.

@biondino WIth his minor league numbers, Fowler’s OPS+ for the season drops to 92

@biondino So the 2009-2012 proj goes 94, 92, 93, 94, with ZiPS worried about his growth because little power, high K not promising longterm

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

so we just ignore the fact that cargo, tulo, and fowler are young and could possibly improve upon career numbers?

surely mr szymborski realizes regression works two ways

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 11:25 AM MST up reply actions  

I think no less a luminary than Rox Girl

Suggested we may have already seen the best of Tulo.

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 11:27 AM MST up reply actions  

that's certainly possible

but no less possible than with any player, especially a lardo like sandoval

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 11:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Not really, if panda has improved his physical condition considerably

Tulo is a rock, but he’s a big man playing a tough position. hard to see where improvement, other than experience, will come from?

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 11:31 AM MST up reply actions  

he doesn't need to improve

his wOBAs the past 3 years have been .393, .408, and .389, wRC+ of 131, 145, and 138… with a continued drop in offense throughout MLB, and tulo simply maintaining performance we know he can put up, i just don’t buy that significant a dropoff in performance going into his age 27 season

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

No kidding.

This is pretty absurd.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 24, 2012 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

“surely mr szymborski realizes regression works two ways”

Regression away from the mean only exists if the data is bunched up unusually close to the mean. That is not what we have here.

In baseball terms, Gonzalez and Tulowitzki are not particularly young. They’re at an age at which there are likely finished products. And while there’s still a chance at improving, you’re far underrating how skewed the risk curve is, especially for a player as good as Tulowitzki. As Colin Wyers put it in Twitter in this very discussion, the mean is a harsh mistress.

Fowler, there was an actual mistake that we figured out on Twitter – I have it set to automatically remove minor league stints of 20 calendar days or less for players that qualified for the BA title the two previous seasons. As the Rockies kept Fowler down a little bit afterwards, it didn’t pick it up and didn’t remove what was a pretty awful minor league stint.

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by D.Szymborski on Jan 24, 2012 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

So aging is about 80% of projection?

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

tulo may have a career 118 OPS+

but he’s had 3 straight years above 130 while improving his plate discipline each year without abnormal BABIPs…. tough to see him crashing so far as lose ~.015-.020 points of wOBA

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 11:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Again the batting stance change in June of 09

Jose Bautista is certainly a different hitter since his adjustment.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

yup

seems like these projections are putting too much weight on 07 and 08 for tulo

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 11:42 AM MST up reply actions  

.

June

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely

I’ve linked this many times before but I think it’s worth noting that anytime you’re making a projection for Tulo, the data pre June 2009 is totally useless because he was a different hitter with a wildly different stance back then.

If anything, he undershot his career averages since the 09 stance change during the 2011 season.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 11:53 AM MST up reply actions  

I guess we will see half a season of being in the top 5 XBH leaders

should probably point to something other than “little power” but again we shall see.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 11:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, but a lot of that is speed.

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by D.Szymborski on Jan 24, 2012 11:34 AM MST up reply actions  

not true after the stance change in july his 700PA would have projected out at

.297/.387/.514 with 11Home Runs 22 Triples and 48 doubles.

Not to say he ever does that but since recency is king in projection I would think that second half would point to a 25 yo getting better not falling off.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

and it's not like his speed should just go away

that’s been proven again and again as the tool which ages best

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

But it limits his upside as a hitter. Less upside risk means a lower projection.

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by D.Szymborski on Jan 24, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes but it didn't happen!

Cherry pick and extrapolate the best half-seasons for each player and there’ll be a hell of a lot of Babe Ruths out there.

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

exactly

this is why Fan projections are 15% more optimistic than most.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 11:47 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Sure but there is big difference between a 24/25 yo CF with a limited baseball

background, and Terry Schumpert’s 2001 434 wOBA. Fowler has had flashs in 09 of what he did in the second half of 11, his 34/59 K/BB is by far the best he has ever done.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Dexter Fowler's ZiPS has been adjusted up to 98

He went on the DL in June last year and started playing very poorly in AAA. It was essentially a rehab assignment, though there is no reason to label it As such when they decided to keep him down for a month working on things. ZiPS usually removes the first 20 days regarding injury, and that removes a really really bad line in a big time offensive environment that was likely suppressed by injury. So 98 for Fowler, not 94. That was the only one I personally thought seemed low.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 11:51 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

As I noted though,

the difference between a 94 and 98 is near negligible. It does bring the overall difference between the teams per lineup spot to 2.875, which is pretty much an equal lineup. I think that’s pretty close to accurate. Even with better years than projected from the Oldies, you’re not looking at more than a total 30-point gain.

If we view the Giants more negatively, it would be no more than a 30-point loss. That still puts the teams at a difference of 4.625 OPS+ points per lineup spot in the Rockies favor. It’s still not that great of a difference to be very meaningful when you account for most likely more-frequent and less-productive bench play from the Rockies.

The season really comes down to the pitching. Right now, barring any breakouts from the pitching staff, we’re a .500 club. The Giants would also be a .500 club, but they have the starting pitching to put them over the top to the tune of 10+ wins.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Do they really though?

Last year they were outscored by their opponents (indicating that their true talent level was actually around .500 as opposed to the 86 wins they posted) despite perfect health from Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner and Vogelsong. They have only one direction to go if everything doesn’t break perfectly for them is this department again in 2012.

I could see their lineup being better but the big question will be whether it’s enough to offset the likely loss of production from the rotation. If it’s not, they will be south of 85 wins in 2012.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

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(healthy Buster Posey)

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by Muzia on Jan 24, 2012 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

This is part of where I see the lineup improvement

That and I could see them getting overall solid numbers from the four corner positions. The question in my mind though remains is it enough to offset a likely loss of production from the rotation. They should have been burned by this last year but they had the Ryan Vogelsong miracle. This year they might not be so lucky.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

No guarantees after that injury

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

this

and, what if he has to play first base? nowhere near as valuable than he is at catcher, plus factoring in getting a last-minute replacement catcher (or having whiteside all year), plus what happens with huff and belt in that world

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 2:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Do they have a rotation worth 10 wins?

Absolutely.

Their offensive production was lower last year that it should be this year. Last year, their offense was not a .500 offense, but less than that. this is why they ended up where they did. ZIPs is projecting, somewhat correctly, that the offense will be better. I agree with that. I think it is a little more positive than it should be, but, for the most part, it qualifies the lineup where it should be.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

It better be worth a few wins...
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by Junction Rox on Jan 24, 2012 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

If healthy their rotation is good enough to push them over the top

What I’m questioning is if we should expect Lincicum, Cain, Bumgarner, and Vogelsong to all remain healthy and all not have a down year. If the answer to this is no, then the number of wins they are likely to achieve drops sharply.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed.

But such things are not able to be projected. I was referring to the projections.

I expect that our rotation will actual give us wins this year instead of costing us wins like last year. I’m going to guess that most projections are not going to show many gains because there isn’t much data behind it. I just look at the situations and think there is a chance that it will happen.

My analysis doesn’t affect the projections though, in the same way that your analysis of the Giants’ rotation does not.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

That's the crux of it

I see this divsion (from the perspective of all five teams) being determined by things that are unpredictable at the moment.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't mind at all

It’s good to get an explaination actually. I don’t doubt that there will be more regression for the Rockies this year than steps forward when it comes to these eight. It’s the sheer magnitude of some of the dropoffs that I question and the idea that all eight of them will drop by at least seven OPS+ points.

Short of mass injury, I see this as a worst case scenario for the Rockies because most of the opportunites to miss big with these projections (and there will always be one or two of those no matter how good your system is) are available on the north end of these numbers.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

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by D.Szymborski on Jan 24, 2012 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Dan, do you have an explanation somewhere of the ZiPS methodology?

Specifically, how and when do you apply park factors? Also, do you look at probability distributions with the projections or just a simple mean value?

by RoxnSox09 on Jan 24, 2012 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

also do you project players by the type of hitter they are

Iannetta/Adam Dunn vs say high contact low k guys?

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by Resolution on Jan 24, 2012 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for reading!

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I appreciate the comedy sprinkled in the document.

Makes for easier reading.

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Oh, the story of how it was named was absolutely true (and reprinted in ESPN Mag’s baseball preview last year, thus memorializing my dorkiness)

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

if you look at a lot of projection systems, they err on the side of being conservative. I don’t think the project growth very well at all and don’t project breakouts. IT’s why whenever you look at projection systems it looks like we’re going to have an incredibly bad year of baseball league-wide where no one tops 33 home runs and no one pitches with an era lower than like 3.30. I think it makes sense to construct projection systems this way for a number of reasons though I often don’t like the results. That being said, I think there is room for improving projections, particuarly for players 26-30 yrs old as projection systems tend to treat everyone like they’re 32 years old and going to start experiencing small declines….

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by Resolution on Jan 24, 2012 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Sure projecting the hell out of Belt here.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

huff as well

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

I actually have more of an issue with Cabrera.

Dude’s 27, so probably not expected to suddenly get better. He’s posted an OPS+ > 100 once (121 last year), and that was mostly fueled by an abnormally high .332 BABIP. His BB/K actually got worse, and his contact rates and pitch recognition (O-Swing %) got worse. I don’t see any reason to expect him to maintain his sudden production from last year.

by RoxnSox09 on Jan 24, 2012 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

his projection is way below his 121 OPS+

I think that our projection by wRC+ would be a little more friendly than our straight OPS+ is to btw

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 12:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I think it has something to do with the way projections and park factors are applied.

I’m not certain exactly how they do it, but I think they essentially figure out what a guy’s talent level is, then apply aging and park factors. However, this might not be an appropriate method for Rockies players. We know that when a hitter puts on a Rockies uniform, his home production increases while his away numbers drop. Overall, his offense looks better than his true talent. This is where park factors come in. The problem is that I don’t think they address the issue of road hitting for Rockies’ hitters, because it doesn’t affect players for any other team to the same extent. This would mean that they compute a lower true talent level for Rockies, resulting in lower ZIPS. Now, I could be wrong about how they actually do these things, and I’m too lazy to read the details of all the different projection/park factor methods.

by RoxnSox09 on Jan 24, 2012 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Also, it is reported that Fan Projections on FanGraphs run about 15% high on average ...

And I would hazard a guess that number climbs even higher when only fans of a particular team are considered.

by Traindogger on Jan 24, 2012 10:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Before I delve into this

How accurate have ZiPS been in predicting full season performances?

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Someone wrote an article on this...

And I think Zips fared pretty well, but all have their flaws. Anyone?

by Traindogger on Jan 24, 2012 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

in a study a few years ago

I believe it was ranked
1) CHONE
2) ZiPS
3) Marcel
4) Oliver
5) Bill James

CHONE is no longer available, since an mlb team hired Sean Smith, so ZiPS is best left, which is why I default to it.

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What about PECOTA?

I’m trying to find more information on ZiPS now (unsuccessfully, I might add). One article I found mentioned that PECOTA was one of the more accurate and actually provided a range of numbers rather than just one.

by RoxnSox09 on Jan 24, 2012 11:26 AM MST up reply actions  

a massive conspiracy against the rockies

that has existed since 2007

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 11:17 AM MST up reply actions  

He's a damn fine player

And beating Tulo is certainly possible. I just don’t think it’s the likely outcome. belt is weirder – what ahs he done to justify such a high projection? Sure he could achieve it – there’s a decent chance he does – but there is also a good chance he substantially underperforms and ZiPS must also take this into account.

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 8:33 AM MST reply actions  

Sorry, reply fail to Charlie's

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 8:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Belt's OPS splits are much worse than Dex's

Belt
.609
.769

Dex
.688
.880

How can Belt be projected very high when Dex is projected below average this season?

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by Charlie77 on Jan 24, 2012 8:44 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

minor league numbers

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 8:48 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

What has Belt done in the Minors that Dex didn't?

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 8:54 AM MST up reply actions  

His 2010 was pretty sick

He lit it up across three levels. His minor league totals and weighted averages show 23 HR, .352 avg, 22 SB, and 182 wRC+. Unfortunately Fowler never had that. His 08 season in Tulsa was very good (.335 avg, 9 HR ,20 SB, and 153 wRC+), but not quite on that level.

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by BittenAnkles on Jan 24, 2012 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

True belt had an amazing 2010

but did most of his Damage as a 22yo in A+ ball not to downplay the guy’s talent but predicting he will have a higher OPS+ than Cargo because he had a .309/.448/.527 line in the PCL as a 23yo last year seems unlikely.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Taling to three

minor league pitchers last spring training they all said they were glad Belt would be out of their league in 2011. That’s what he did in the minors

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by jrockies on Jan 24, 2012 5:52 PM MST up reply actions  

he is a good MiLB hitter so far

but his PCL line doesn’t seem any more impressive than Rizzo who was younger

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 6:01 PM MST up reply actions  

BB% is much better

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 6:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I give the Rockies a one-in-five chance of winning the west this year...

So, make that 20% and thus, no bet.

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by Since1993 on Jan 24, 2012 8:34 AM MST reply actions  

#Bold

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

What are the chances of the other 4 teams?

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:20 AM MST up reply actions  

they have no chance

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by Junction Rox on Jan 24, 2012 11:26 AM MST up reply actions  

80% meteor?

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by Charlie77 on Jan 24, 2012 7:03 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Nope, just a 20% total chance

and it’s all ours…

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by Junction Rox on Jan 24, 2012 7:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Are Scutaro, Blake, Hernandez, and Cuddyer...

this year’s version of Clayton, Payton, Johnson, and Wilson? We got good seasons from those stopgaps back in 2002/03, but not very good team results. All for the guys we just got, and the Scutaro trade was a heist, but afraid we may end up in the same place we did in the years just after the disappointing 2001 season. At least Dan is being honest, and I bet he’s thinking the same thing.

Which raises another question…is Tracy this year’s Buddy Bell?

by The Fanimal on Jan 24, 2012 8:39 AM MST reply actions  

That pitching staff was atrocious

giving 25 starts to Brian Bohanon and Ron Villone

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Bohanon could swing the bat a little though.

Good times.

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by EmersonCR on Jan 24, 2012 9:32 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

hey i liked Bohanon

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 9:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Then why aren't you a bigger Chatwood honk since he had essentially the same season as

Bohanon’s 2001 while being 11 years younger

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

huge chatwood fan, gonna be a *

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

One star? Sounds about right.

;)

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

John Thomson ftw

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by Hollidayrain on Jan 24, 2012 9:56 AM MST up reply actions  

that was Thomson best year here what a shame he didn't stay healthy

he was sort of good Aaron Cook before Aaron Cook came along

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

so true

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by Hollidayrain on Jan 24, 2012 10:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Awesome quote from Hernandez

I forget who I was arguing with about whether Ramon will be a team player, but it definitely looks like he’s willing to do whatever the team needs. Barring age-related decline, his two year contract might be the second best move of the off-season (after Scoots).

by deacs on Jan 24, 2012 8:52 AM MST reply actions  

I think

you and I were questioning Petro’s optimism on this point. Certainly he’s saying all the right things, and I’m happy to hear it, for whatever its worth.

by Teekalong on Jan 24, 2012 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

I still think the best move of the offseason

was getting rid of Wigginton.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

I still look at 2012 as a rebuilding year of sorts

What I hope for is that the Rockies spend the bulk of the year in the contention picture for the division (not 10 or 15 games after an early slide). I think from this, and with a bunch of veterans on the team, younger guys can learn some of the mental side of MLB. Too often I hear player interviews and it’s clear that beyond lip service their goal is to 1) reach the big leagues, and 2) stay in the big leagues. This makes sense from a system that develops players internally but it seems it doesn’t lead to flags flying. I want to start hearing players that assume they’ve accomplished those two things and now have the serious goal of division titles and world series wins.

I actually don’t think it will happen in one year (love to be wrong about that) but it’s a step that needs to happen, especially since it seems part of the Rockies formula to cope with baseball at altitude is to rely on young arms.

At the least, you can’t accuse the Rockies of standing pat after a horrible year. The FO is clearly trying to put together a winning team.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jan 24, 2012 8:53 AM MST reply actions  

Definitely agree that it should still be viewed as a rebuilding year

Lots of teams have done something similar, either while waiting for prospects or because the cupboard was bare. The early 90s Mets and the late 90s Orioles are two good examples of trying to re-stock with expensive veterans and failing. At least if O’Dowd’s roster doesn’t work out, we’re mostly in agreement that a) it has the potential to work, and b) he didn’t bust the budget to accomplish it.

by deacs on Jan 24, 2012 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

For the late 90s Orioles is that it did work, it just didn't last

I was there at the time. I will never forget the day they signed Albert Belle and thinking “what the the hell are you doing?”

1996: 88-74, wild card, won ALDS, lost ALCS
1997: 98-64, AL east wire-to-wire championship, won ALDS, lost ALCS. Highest payroll in baseball at the time (IIRC)

And they haven’t been to the postseason since…

But I don’t think the Rockies are actually trying to restock with veterans in the same way, and I certainly don’t think they’re trying to buy championships. I think they’re trying to bring on enough mentors to install a spirit of winning baseball and the mindset you need to complement the raw talent. Only time will tell if DoD has the formula right.

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by RoarFrom112 on Jan 24, 2012 9:09 AM MST up reply actions  

(frankly I’d be pretty thrilled with a wire-to-wire division championship from the Rockies, but without the subsequent 15 years of complete ineptitude)

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by RoarFrom112 on Jan 24, 2012 9:11 AM MST up reply actions  

The early Oughts were interesting for the Orioles as they got MVP like years out of

Mora, Tejada and Roberts(their 05 was amazing) but could never put it all together

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 9:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Scutaro, Blake and Hernandez are all guys who seemed to have

done the most possible with their skillset grinders who “earned it” I like the idea of Nelson, EY2, Arenado, Rutledge, Field, Rosario and Pacheco hanging out with these guys getting advice and tips from them, and watching how the pros who aren’t like Giambi and Helton do it, the pros who stuck around not by being the top players of their generation but by working hard and paying attention to the little things.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 9:14 AM MST up reply actions  

This

(Building winning culture). If 2012 results in a >.500 season that answers questions about young pitchers, while Rosario, Arenado & Wheeler reach the point of being ML-ready & they step into a winning culture during the prime years of Tulo and Cargo, that’s a major achievement.

by maris61 on Jan 24, 2012 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

MOOSE

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 11:27 AM MST up reply actions  

:-(

I still can’t stomach Moose in a Yankees uniform

(younger Rockies fans: Imagine Tulo or Cargo signing with the Giants)

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by RoarFrom112 on Jan 24, 2012 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

my favorite yankee of the era

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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by free7694 on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

when he gets into the hall

you know what cap he’ll be wearing :D

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

A Tulo cap with a fake mullet.

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do hipsters go to cracker barrel?

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Funny story about Cracker Barrel

For Christmas I got a beautiful new display case for the bat Todd Helton gave me and as part of the gift, there was a gift certificate to Cracker Barrel in it.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 5:56 PM MST up reply actions  

best of thread !!!!!


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by butterfly on Jan 24, 2012 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Often it's strange how quickly things change.

I would have never thought we would have major concerns about the age of the everyday lineup. Usually, the age on this team is in the bullpen and 1st base. I sleep pretty easily thinking that most of the old guys have an exciting prospect breathing down their neck. Now if there were only a decent 1st base prospect somewhere….

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by BittenAnkles on Jan 24, 2012 9:19 AM MST reply actions  

He seems to sort of fit the profile.

Potential big bat, uncertain outfield defense, crowded outfield for years to come…

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by BittenAnkles on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Did this Tom Verducci piece get linked yet? Good stuff in here as Dan O’Dowd’s World Tour continues.

“We stunk and it was a bad clubhouse,” O’Dowd said of the 2011 Rockies. “Last year guys went their own way and didn’t hold each other accountable. We pride ourselves on an ‘all-for-one’ mentality. And last year we didn’t have that. It bugged everybody — not just me.”
What O’Dowd is trying to pull off is the difficult trick the Diamondbacks managed last year: to contend in a transitional year.

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by Franchise26 on Jan 24, 2012 10:14 AM MST reply actions  

Yay for Purple Mondays!

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So how many Monday games will we even have at home this season?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 10:30 AM MST reply actions  

10

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 10:35 AM MST up reply actions  

April 9th vs. Giants

April 16th vs. Padres
April 30th vs. Doders
May 28th vs. Astros
June 25th vs. Nationals
July 16th vs. Pirates
August 13th vs. Brewers
August 27th vs. Dodgers
September 10th vs. Giants
September 24th vs. D’Backs

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

That's not near enough purple jersey days IMO :(

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Wouldn't the other days

Still be up to pitcher decision? Could get more that way!

by ShadowPenguin on Jan 24, 2012 11:13 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh that's true!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 11:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Hoo-Rah

Also, OT: Cat, we are TV twins – what prolific TV show should I watch next? I just finished season 4 of Mad Men and only have about 6 eps of HIMYM left. Preferably it should be on Netflix.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

Deadwood?

Torchwood?
Sherlock? (only 3 episodes a season but 90 minutes each)

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 10:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Sherlock is awesome (though ep. 2 is kinda meh)

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by Muzia on Jan 24, 2012 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

I did a bad thing and watched this season too

The only thing I will say is that the finale of Season 2…..OMFG

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

How did you see Season 2 already?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

The interwebz is a big place

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I did a bad thing

Uh – Oh

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7a35GnfPTc

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

I am in love with Benedict Cumberbatch's voice

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

did you see he’s in the new Hobbit film as Smaug and the Necromancer? Sherlock and Watson talking.. as Smaug and Bilbo!

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by Muzia on Jan 24, 2012 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I only learned that recently.

It will be like Jeremy Irons voice “Scar”.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

You should move to the UK

I think you’d love it here!

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

You know what.

Truth be told, I want to visit there so badly. And I do feel an affinity for the UK. I have no idea why.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Well I'm happy to show you the sights!

But yeah, you often post things that make you sound like a kindred spirit. Come over!

It's my blog!

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 11:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Gotta get that pesky passport renewed dammit!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

I do hail

from Irish, English and Scottish roots…so maybe something genetic I dunno….

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

I liked that one.

I thought the third episodes dragged on a bit, but was good.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Depends on the size of the bat

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 10:59 AM MST up reply actions  

smartass

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 24, 2012 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

thnx :)


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by butterfly on Jan 24, 2012 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

well, we got 3 hours in before tv show talk today

progress!

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 11:01 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

And I didn't even start it!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Hey now

I’ve made some contributions to the baseball talk too!

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 11:02 AM MST up reply actions  

the Astros have signed Mike Fast

that catcher framing series was bound to get him hired by someone this offseason

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 11:02 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

the Astros have signed Mike Fast

that catcher framing study was bound to get him hired somewhere this offseason

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 11:03 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

ok, the app is officially wigging out

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Before the old bad one is posted




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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:31 AM MST up reply actions  

my eyes!

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 24, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah yeah, I know.

Ze goggles, they do nothing.

Whatever.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Wait

The Astros signed Mike Fast?! I feel like I heard this somewhere else first… oh yeah!

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That was Fast...

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by Junction Rox on Jan 24, 2012 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

The BEST rockies blog about the Houston Astros on the Internet.

/didn’tgettotusethatyesterdaydruingAstrostalk

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

Did you hear about the new Astros bullpen coach?

SIAP.. I just heard this yesterday, so apologies if somebody referenced it last week.

I guess this is the first Grand Junction Rockie to reach the show? Pretty unusual for a team to bring in somebody from another team’s rookie league affiliate for their big league coaching staff, I would think…

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by Junction Rox on Jan 24, 2012 11:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Kyle Hancock just tweeted that to me

he worked under him for two years

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 11:46 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

I still think they should move the team to Austin

And become the Austin Wierdos.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:31 AM MST up reply actions  

And by Austin Weirdos

you mean Austin Awesomes?

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Exactly.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:34 AM MST up reply actions  

My other suggested Astros' name changes

posted late last night after the name change possibility came out:

Houston Mosquitos
Houston Humidifiers
Houston Frackers

and

the Houston Streets

by maris61 on Jan 24, 2012 11:52 AM MST up reply actions  

We aren't TV twins.

But I love Downton Abbey. The first season is on Netflix.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

And the second season is on PBS right now and streaming off of PBS.org.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

If you like that...

I also loved the british show Foyle’s War which is on DVD on Netflix.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Netflix has DVDs?

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by Muzia on Jan 24, 2012 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

/snort

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 11:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Lol

I’ve had this latest DVD from netflix for about 5 weeks. Argh.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

After mentioning Foyle's War,

I’m curious about biondino’s opinion on the show.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

It's pretty gentle, Sunday evening TV

But I really enjoy it. My (American) ex absolutely loved it, so I’ve seen pretty much every ep until recently. It’s uber-British, for sure, way more understated than Downton though.

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Recently?

Did they do a new season?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't think they have - I was just covering myself in case I missed any!

But to the best of my knowledge they are planning more, post-war.

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 11:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Great.

Just thinking about it makes me want to watch it again. He’s a brilliantly-written character. I could watch that show forever.

Downton seems certain to burn out in a glorious explosion of melodrama.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 11:12 AM MST up reply actions  

I was reading a piece about Downton Abbey

and it was really ripped for being historically inaccurate. I haven’t watched it yet myself.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

It's not that bad

Even if it plays around with history to its own dramatic ends. I’d rather an out-and-out drama did that, tbh.

Accidentally having TV aerials in shot is negligent but not intentionally bad.

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

LOL no they meant the

World War 1 stuff. But I’m with you. I can overlook some dramatic license. I mean I loved “The Tudors” and how much more wrong could that have been? However I learned more about Henry VIII because of the inaccuracies.

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 11:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, the aerial thing was an addendum!

What I found occasionally hard to digest was how Downton skipped months, even years at a time between eps but didn’t make it at all clear.

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 11:18 AM MST up reply actions  

The League

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

OMG

I flew through 2 seasons on Netflix in about 4 days. HILARIOUS. Shiva, Kamini Soma, Kandarkram, Shiva, Kamini Soma Kandarkram!!

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 11:36 AM MST up reply actions  

The third season just ended.

I need to watch all of season 2. For crass comedy, it is the best.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

But it doesn't sacrifice being smart

So great. My favorite is when Ruxen (or however you spell his name) uses his roadside assistance towing miles to get him home when he’s drunk. And essentially everything that comes out of Taco’s mouth is gold.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Totally.

They did some really funny things with Kevin, Jenny and their daughter in Season 3.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh my god

The episode where Taco is robbing the house dressed as the character from that kids show… it slayed me.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Did you see the one where Dre finds the "Confectioners Sugar" in his drawer?

I think I almost peed myself in that one.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Ahh. Well I won't spoil anything for you then.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Bobbum man episode was also ridiculous this season. A lot of good ones, but I thought the last couple fell flat.

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by cthabeerman on Jan 24, 2012 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, the end of the season one wasn't that great.

But one or two bad episodes out of a season is pretty good IMO.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh, and its a little campy

But I’ve been enjoying the series Merlin.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:30 AM MST up reply actions  

I enjoyed it a lot as well

Though I haven’t watched any of the last series. A client of mine has directed maybe a dozen of the eps.

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 11:31 AM MST up reply actions  

Where are you flndlng these shows ?


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by butterfly on Jan 24, 2012 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

On Netflix.

We recently cancelled the DVD portion of Netflix since movies are slowly being okayed for online streaming, and we love watching the documentaries and BBC shows they have available.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 11:35 AM MST up reply actions  

NBC broadcast Merlin for the first couple of seasons

And now SyFy do (owned by NBC).

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by biondino on Jan 24, 2012 11:36 AM MST up reply actions  

yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay

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by prettyinpurple on Jan 24, 2012 5:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Intresting quote

from Verducci’s article, which seems to support a belief I’ve long held: that Tracy’s “tinkering/chessmaster/whatever” approach isn’t just a bad manager running wild with matchups, but (maybe in addition to that) implementing an organizational strategy:

“We’re not asking these players to play 150 games,” [DOD] said. “The definition of an everyday player has changed, especially at Coors Field and especially since amphetamines were banned. The [Tyler] Colvins, [Charlie] Blackmons, Chris Nelsons and other complimentary players are going to get a ton of at-bats.”

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tom_verducci/01/24/colorado.rockies/index.html#ixzz1kOtt6gPh

by Teekalong on Jan 24, 2012 11:16 AM MST reply actions  

How many roster spots does DOD think he has

“Colvins, Blackmons, Nelsons …”

With all the old guys he’s added & Grandfather Giambi taking up a spot, there’s unlikely to be room for even those 3. Colvin & Blackmon would certainly seem redundant.

You’re right. Those quotes read like a license to tinker for Tracy. I was so looking forward an an almost-everyday lineup.

by maris61 on Jan 24, 2012 12:00 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Stanwood gave an explanation of a scenario in which we carry 5 OF.

He might be right.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

there is also the inevitable longterm injury to someone somewhere

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 12:08 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

His argument is that if the one IF bench player

can swing 2B/SS/3B like Nelson, then Cuddyer and Scutaro can become the extra backup IF with Giambi playing some 1B.

I think it’s unlikely, but it’s possible. This quote opened me up to the possibility more. I doubted the importance of Colvin just because I hadn’t heard his name much. His presence at Rockies Fest along with some recent quotes makes me wonder about whether Stanwood wasn’t onto something.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Blake can play Corner OF as well

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 12:24 PM MST up reply actions  

probably as well a Seth and Hawpe did.

I don’t see Casey here after July. I view him as the #B fill in and expect Arenado to be up unless he absolutely flames out in AA.

by Roxfan24 on Jan 24, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Not really.

He’s been throwing names around a lot lately.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

he is anticipating a Battle Royale in ST

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 12:24 PM MST up reply actions  

With Scutaro, I think DJLM starts in AAA.

The position spots battle should be between Colvin, Blackmon, Herrera, Pacheco and Nelson. I think Young and Field are on the outside, looking in.

The rotation and bullpen battle really is a battle royale with at least one rotation spot and two bullpen spots up for grabs.

There are at least six spots open. There are possibly nine. I think the tenth spot closed with the acquisition of Scutaro. There will be no competition with a $6 million contract.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 12:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I gotta think Pacheco's got the inside track

to the backup IF spot, with a decent ST.

A. He’s catcher insurance if Rosario can’t cut it.
B. Has hasn’t flopped yet as a ML hitter. Herrera and Nelson have.
C. Although Pacheco can’t play SS, with Scutaro on the team, there’s rest/minor injury backup option for Tulo available.

Although Nelson has one big factor in his favor in sticking: 0 options.

by maris61 on Jan 24, 2012 1:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I think it should be Nelson due to the fact he can play 2B/SS/3B

Makes him very valuable. Pacheco can be called up whenever.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 24, 2012 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I find it hilarious how people think Pacheco is a much better hitter than Nelson

When they’ve had 80 at bats and 200 at bats at the Major League level, and when Nelson has been a much better hitter with a much higher pedigree than Pacheco across the minors. I would absolutely take a bet that not only is Nelson more valuable than Pacheco next year, but that Nelson outhits Pacheco.

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by MattBerger on Jan 24, 2012 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Pacheco wasn't even that good at the major league level.

77 OPS +

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by MattBerger on Jan 24, 2012 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Ummm....

Career minor league slashlines:

Nelson: .281/.345/.447, 2789 PAs
Pacheco: .303/.377/.426, 1978 PAs

So I’m not seeing where you’re getting that Nelson is the superior hitter in the minors.

by steakman on Jan 24, 2012 3:05 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

maybe your face is inaccurate

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

and by the rules of arguments, tomcat wins

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

your mom was arguing

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

why would she be arguing with someone

that I was making out with?

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

i don't know what's going on anymore

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Ummm....

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

hey we are close

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

my mom's dead

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

...

I’m not going to joke about this, in case you’re serious…

by steakman on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

the proper response is

“oh I guess that’s why she didn’t move around much”

I was merely demonstrating the proper way to cut your mom references short

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I was going to respond with something like that

But if there was any possibility that your mom was actually dead I wasn’t going to go there…

by steakman on Jan 24, 2012 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

She has stage 4 lung cancer if that helps

so this year will be the year that response stops being funny

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

but I appreciate your tact

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

now it’s all awkward in here…

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't take it so seriously man

I love my time on this site, and interacting with you all makes me happy.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks man it was a shock

but the world is full of real tragedies, this one is sad but okay. Her kids and grandkids are all healthy and happy and when she goes we will miss the hell out of her.

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Very sorry to hear that

Let’s just call this a tie or something

by steakman on Jan 24, 2012 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Good god man just surrender

I mean sure…

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

See that folks?

My links to old Rockpiles don’t look so creepy now do they?

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

No, no

According to the rules, steaman still has a shot if he can bring Tomcat’s mom into it

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

tooooo late

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whoops

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Nelson was also a high schooler when he was drafted

Pacheco was a 23 and 24 year taking advantage of A and A+ ball. At 24 years old Nelson was raking in his first AAA appearance while Pacheco was in AAA. Big, big difference. Pacheco’s experiences with AA was 91 plate appearances where he was good, and when he got his first extended look in the upper minors, he flopped.

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by MattBerger on Jan 24, 2012 3:13 PM MST up reply actions  

while Pacheco was in A+**

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by MattBerger on Jan 24, 2012 3:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Pacheco having to learn the ins and outs of being an

everyday catcher at the Springs probably had something to do with it. I’m not denying that it was a disappointing season, but you also can’t put too much into a guy who rakes in the PCL with his home park in the Springs.

And thus far, their ML performances at similar ages have been pretty comparable, with the caveat of SSS.

by steakman on Jan 24, 2012 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

The problem is that Pacheco has to prove he wasn't taking advantage of younger pitchers in the minors

to prove he’s better prospect than Nelson. Pacheco hasn’t proven he can hit about A+ ball except for 91 PA at double A.

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by MattBerger on Jan 24, 2012 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

above**

I’m going to take a lap, I’m off typing wise

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by MattBerger on Jan 24, 2012 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from

But the very low K rates throughout the upper minors and into the majors indicates that he’s not being totally overmatched by better pitchers. combined with his low BA, it just means that he doesn’t have much line-drive ability.

by steakman on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I completely agree.

Been hearing a lot on how Nelson has improved greatly over the offseason. I think he’ll surprise many.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 24, 2012 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

And how many offseasons has he had to improve?

Lots.

Nelson’s main problem in 2011 was that he couldn’t hit the ball hard enough to get it out of the infield.

Pacheco looks like a solid line-drive hitter to me.

I’d take a bet on Pacheco being a better hitter than Nelson, but it’s unlikely they’ll get equal opportunities. They’re in an either-or situation, it appears.

by maris61 on Jan 24, 2012 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I think you have it reversed

Nelson needs to change his plate approach as pitcher’s adjust to him. He has no issue driving the ball at all, I saw nothing but line drives with Nelson when he hit it.

Getting excited about Pacheco now is exactly the same reason we got so excited about Herrera, and Herrera was actually a solid starter at some points. We just like Pacheco because he doesn’t strike out a lot.

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by MattBerger on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Sorry my computer is being wonky

Nelson makes nothing but solid contact when he hits it. Pacheco barely has any power. If Nelson changes his approach he becomes a valuable player (on the bench or starting). Pacheco needs to keep his approach perfect just to stay at replacement level.

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by MattBerger on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not too high on either to tell you the truth (at best they are bench players who don't have a unique skill they can be brought in for)

If either of them gets a boatload of PA’s this season, it’s probably not a god thing for the Rockies.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

We're the Rockies.

It’s always a God thing.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

ha

i remember that

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I can understand this position

My point was that Nelson needing to fight for his spot on the roster while Pacheco is all but guaranteed a spot on the roster when he couldn’t hit AAA and showed no ability in the MLB besides being able to make contact absurd.

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by MattBerger on Jan 24, 2012 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Got ya

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Colvin and Blackmon both making the team would indeed be a scenario I would find extraordinarily unlikely.

If the team carries two outfielders, it’ll probably be one of Blackmon/Colvin and one of Young/Hoffmann. But because Jordan Pacheco is not being considered as a true backup catcher, that spot, along with Giambi’s, can’t be counted as available to these players, leaving three spots for everybody else. At least one outfielder (favorite probably Blackmon), at least one infielder (favorite probably Pacheco), and that 13th spot can land depending on what else is needed after the other two are filled. They may want Young type speed off the bench, or another right handed bat in Hoffmann, or if they aren’t comfortable with a Scutaro/Pacheco when Tulowitzki yields to Tracy for a day off, an opening for Nelson (or Herrera, etc.) emerges.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 24, 2012 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Jamie Moyer gets 2 spots.

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by Resolution on Jan 24, 2012 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree with this analysis

What I want to see is whether O’Dowd’s “no longer falling in love with prospects” philosophy — which seems very real based on this off-season — would carry so far as to keep Pacheco (multiple options left) on the ML roster over Nelson (0 options left) if Pacheco has a better ST. Will he keep a better 25th spot player & risk losing a once-valued prospect?

by maris61 on Jan 24, 2012 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

In most cases, the remaining options should be more of a tiebreaker unless the organization seems extra interested in keeping that player around.

Considering Nelson’s perceived depth as seen from the organization, I don’t think they make extra effort to carve out a spot for Nelson at the expense of someone they seem (unreasonably) more interested in like Pacheco. That said, if the team does choose to only go with one typical reserve outfielder, Nelson’s lack of options could easily catapult him ahead of Herrera or LeMahieu. Of course, there’s still Eric Young Jr to consider, who is also out of options and seeking that last roster spot. Then there’s the fact that Herrera, while technically optionable for free, is basically a waste of an option considering the little amount of playing time he’d find down at AAA behind some combination of LeMahieu/Field/Gomez/Harris.

The only realistic way we keep both Young and Nelson at this point is if Pacheco doesn’t make the team.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 24, 2012 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

We'll considering that the projections say 4/5th's of our tinfield are made of soda crackers and tinfoil...

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by Oldfoagie on Jan 24, 2012 12:10 PM MST reply actions  

Oh god

Have you gotten to the part where they talk about how great Jim Tracy is at tinkering with the lineup? Barf.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 12:47 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Not yet.

Thanks for spoiling it for me.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 12:48 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Man some of these callers have no business calling into a baseball radio show.

EX: The guy that calls in at 18 minutes.

If this Joe guy is a poster at this forum, yeah, I’m calling you out.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

:(

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by Muzia on Jan 24, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

OMG I was in cahoots

Ian Stewart better than Casey Blake? Was Joe even watching any baseball in 2011? Jeez laweez.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I dont think Joe West was watching any baseball in 2011

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by Roxman4ever on Jan 24, 2012 7:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh.

They hadn’t taken callers in the first two shows. Maybe they didn’t have any.

This is not good.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Lol

I’m so used to hearing Broncos fans talk like this on KOA… but now Rockies “fans” are saying dumb, misinformed crap too… yikes!

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

"I'd like Clint Barmes back"

Well I’d like you to lose your phone, or at least resist the urge to share your opinion.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I like how they try to defend the fan.

Paraphrasing here

We understand you want the fistpumps. Well you’re gonna get fistpumps.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

hahahaha

I almost popped my pants when I heard that. Get it? Popped? Like pop fly?

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by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Take another lap

There are no taking laps for future Kizla reads.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

smartass

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I laughed out loud when he said that the only reason we didn't have Barmes was because we weren't willing to pay him.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 24, 2012 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

AHHH Stupid Fan Fest

Has totally gotten me into the baseball mood… why is it still January?!?!

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 12:29 PM MST reply actions  

Twitter going crazy with fake reports about Nationals and 8 year deal

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John Heyman is not Jon Heyman, apparently...

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by Junction Rox on Jan 24, 2012 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Apparently now this according to TimBrownYahoo

Source: Prince is very close to a nine-year contract with the Detroit Tigers, according to sources.

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

apparently Miguel Cabera can play outfield or 3B or something

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

and sooo what happens when Victor comes back?

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

He's trade bait, I'd assume.

Unless they really want to try the Cabrera at 3rd experiment again.

by Shoemaker on Jan 24, 2012 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope.

Fielder to DH.

Kinda unreal. Wow. 9 years? Oh my gosh.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 24, 2012 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I cannot wait to see how backloaded this contract is…

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by Muzia on Jan 24, 2012 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

VMart is signed throu 2014

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

9/198? Something ridiculous like that?

Any other guesses

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by Muzia on Jan 24, 2012 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

9/999

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

i would probably put it at 9/189 or something like that

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll go 8/184

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

@Jim Heyman

price deal is $214M, 9 yrs. #tigers

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

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by Muzia on Jan 24, 2012 1:03 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Certainly a Paper Tiger.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

You win the contest

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:07 PM MST up reply actions  

I was much closer in spirit than anyone.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

and I was still off by almost 2mil per year

Ridiculous contract.

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by Muzia on Jan 24, 2012 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I wonder if they are only paying him to DH?

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

they will move Austin Jackson to right and allow Prince to roam in center, plenty of grass out there for his veggie habits to graze

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:13 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

We're not talking about last September either

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:15 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

This is why Scott Boras is the best at his job.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

It's just too bad that him being good at his job means more money comes out of the fans pockets.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Meh.

The owners don’t have to pay it if they don’t want to.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 1:25 PM MST up reply actions  

You're comparing a playing in free agency to a player who was only about to enter his arb yeras and wanted to stay at his current address

The issue is that Boras’s job IS to make the owners want to pay it. Once they do, at least some, if not all of that coast will get passed onto the fans.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

playing player

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Wrong Agon was in his final Arb year was a FA at years end

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Oops

My bad. Not sure what I was looking at there.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

42,800,000 Little Caesars $5 pizzas...

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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by Junction Rox on Jan 24, 2012 4:25 PM MST up reply actions  

If you like pepperoni

What about the 8.99 Hawaiian?

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 4:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Only 23,777,777 of those

I’m not sure that’s enough for Prince…

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by Junction Rox on Jan 24, 2012 4:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Well

if he invests that money at 7% interest, he’ll earn roughly 332,889 extra pepperoni pizzas a year.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 4:33 PM MST up reply actions  

That's what I'm sayin!

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 4:36 PM MST up reply actions  

He could make a killing

in the vegetable commodities market though.

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by hotdoglady on Jan 24, 2012 4:38 PM MST up reply actions  

and that's being conservative

The S&P’s median annual return is ~12%… I don’t know why the 7% number was stuck in my mind.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 4:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Not recently.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 4:40 PM MST up reply actions  

This does me no good.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 4:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Lol I know...

But we’re not talking about you right now, we’re talking about Prince’s Pizzas :-(

Also, I’m sorry.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 4:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Therefore the beauty of investing in a LC franchise!

He makes money off the pizzas he eats!

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That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 24, 2012 4:41 PM MST up reply actions  

WHAAAAAAAAAAT.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 24, 2012 12:57 PM MST up reply actions  

scrappled Chris G. @ BSD
Prince Fielder has committed to Urban Meyer and Ohio State.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Prince Fielder to play the Backstop in Detroit.

Not Shortstop, Backstop

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

They have room to do it too.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Keep in mind that in 2010 their payroll was up to about $133 million

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Does Detroit still sell tickets? Do people still live in Detroit?

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

And I'll add....

Although I am somewhat of a purist as well. The DH has to come to the NL.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Where's the unlike button?

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:16 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

It's not leaving the AL.

I’d rather not watch all of the sluggers head for the AL as soon as they hit free agency. It’s only going to get worse.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

It also keeps Jack Cust out of the NL

by maris61 on Jan 24, 2012 1:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Baseball is simply a better game when played without the DH

If that’s the price to pay for watching the game in its purest form, then I’m fine with that.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:22 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I’ve become less and less certain of that as I’ve gotten older.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 1:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m not so much for it as against it, i just wish there was a unfiorm rule across the MLB. Look at what the DH has done to the NL the last 2 years, 3 of the best players have left the NL
Adrian Gonzalez
Pujols
Fielder

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM MST up reply actions  

There's more at work here than just the DH

The two clubs in the biggest NL markets (Mets and Dodgers) both are having incredable financial problems.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Neither of those teams would have signed

Fielder or Pujols even if they had the money. The years were the key. Only a DH-capable team can offer those years.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 1:40 PM MST up reply actions  

And yet the Phillies still signed Ryan Howard to a long term contract north of $100 million that will take him to his 37th birthday

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

And it's already a pretty bad move.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 2:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Are you suggesting that the backhalf of the Pujols and Fielder deals are going to look good?

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 2:14 PM MST up reply actions  

No.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Not as bad as Howard’s.

It looked horrible before the deal even began. One year in, it looks absolutely terrible. If there are lingering effects from this achilles injury, it could make the Vernon Wells deal look good.

It’s really that bad, at least today.

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It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Jan 24, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I was wrong...

As mentioned somewhere, it actually starts this season. For some odd reason, I thought it began in 2011. He did get $20MM last year, if I’m not mistaken.

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It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Jan 24, 2012 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I tend to stay out of these discussions, but I’ve thought for a while the Rockies could really benefit from a DH.

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by Resolution on Jan 24, 2012 1:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting

I’ve become more and more

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't really get this statement.

I don’t see how roughly 10% of all at-bats in a given season being taken by pitchers makes the game “better” than a version where those at-bats are taken by competent hitters.

Plus, speaking as a fan of a Jim Tracy-managed team, I don’t particularly enjoy the “strategy” involved in NL baseball (double-switches, bunting, excessive switching of relief pitchers), so that aspect of the game has no real appeal.

I’d rather just watch Jason Giambi hit some freakin’ dingers, personally.

by Shoemaker on Jan 24, 2012 1:28 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

designated free throw shooters in basketball?

designated runners if a guy is too slow?

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 3:01 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

I mean, I certainly don't like watching bad free throw shooters at the line.

I guess the way I’d differentiate is that NBA players are expected to make their free throws, and expected to practice and improve their technique if they’re bad at it.

Whereas with pitchers, nobody really tells them to get out there in the batting cage if they strike out swinging at stuff around their ankles. It’s EXPECTED that they’ll be terrible at it, but they have to do it anyway.

If a 50% free throw shooter needs to hit a free throw to send a game to overtime, he’s expected to do it or he’s a failure. If a pitcher comes up to bat with the bases loaded and two outs in the third inning, nobody expects that he’ll get a hit, but it’s too early to pinch hit for him, so he has to go up there and flail around with the bat anyways.

Sort of takes the excitement out of potential rallies for me in baseball, I guess. I freely admit that it’s a personal preference.

by Shoemaker on Jan 24, 2012 5:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm with you

and I used to be completely the other way.

The dropoff in “strategy” (to the extent there is any, given that Keith Law and others argue persuasively that 90% of the time, the decision to PH is an automatic call so real strategy is mitigated) is definitely worth not having to watch people who are barely even trying and/or have absolutely no skill. It would be different if there were a greater percentage of pitchers who can hit.

by Teekalong on Jan 24, 2012 5:54 PM MST up reply actions  

it’s true – often times the strategic advantage of the NL consists of ‘when do we pinch hit for the pitcher’ other than that, both leagues are pretty much identical.

An interesting counterpoint may be Joe Maddon, who despite managing an AL is one of the more ‘strategic’ managers out there in that he uses more lineups and pinch hitters than anyone in the AL, and possible all of baseball regarding lineups, and also, I forget the details, but is willing to utilize unorthodox pitching matchups if the pitcher throws a pitch that the other hand can’t handle (i.e., leaving or bringing in a lefty to face a righty if that lefty has a strong changeup).

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by Resolution on Jan 24, 2012 6:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I think he went with as many LH as possible vs Mark Buehrle

or Dallas Braden. maybe both

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 6:58 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

yea something like that. I don’t remember if it was specifically relievers, hitters, or both that he was shuffling around.

I always wondered if I’d be okay with Maddon’s tinkering as opposed to Tracy’s tinkering. I’m assuming the logic and sophisticated nature of Maddon’s tinkering would make the daily shuffling okay…

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by Resolution on Jan 24, 2012 7:02 PM MST up reply actions  

yes

and RHB against marcum

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 7:03 PM MST up reply actions  

They kinda already get designated FT shooters

At least on technical fouls.

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by Kris Hansen on Jan 24, 2012 5:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Good god

Thats a lot on monies.

by mkorpal on Jan 24, 2012 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

HOLY $*#)

THIS IS FREAKING INSANE. 9 years, $214 mil!!!!!!!!!

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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 24, 2012 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

pending the ever important physical

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:07 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd love to see the deal fall through

due to the physical coming back as morbidly obese.

by mkorpal on Jan 24, 2012 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

That would be epic

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

And that still might not pay for all the grocery bills.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I know that's an absolutely insane amount of money,

but man, Cabrera-Fielder is the best 3-4 in baseball.

by Shoemaker on Jan 24, 2012 1:05 PM MST reply actions  

Good thing its in the AL.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Tigers needed a sign like this to get over the top.

But they severely overpaid IMO.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 24, 2012 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

the question is how fat does prince become if he only DH’s?

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

So fat that DH would now stand for

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 1:19 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

His contract equates to 542.5 Little Caesar’s pizzas every hour for the next 9 years…

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/nobody ever pays me in pizza

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by Jeff Aberle on Jan 24, 2012 9:13 PM MST up reply actions  

nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom

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by jasontheuncatchable on Jan 24, 2012 1:24 PM MST up reply actions  

and it's not really close, either

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

How do you improve upon a Braun-Fielder middle of the lineup up?

Pair Fielder with Cabrera. Sick, sick, sick.

Love this deal for Detroit despite thinking 9 years is about 3 years too many.

by Adam2011 on Jan 24, 2012 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

OT: is there a mobile app for this house?

What up suckas?

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 1:07 PM MST reply actions  

What is up my brotha?

Yes, there are android and iPhone (wanker) sbnation apps.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Thinking more for iPad

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

that's for iPhone...

Not iPad

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 2:57 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Tulo and CarGo's deals look unreal now.

Tulo’s could have easily been $70-80 million more, CarGo might have been able to get another $50-100 million depending.

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by jasontheuncatchable on Jan 24, 2012 1:12 PM MST reply actions  

O_O

CarGo could not have gotten a 7 year $180 million deal through his arbitration years. That’s insane. You’re way off on those figures.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 24, 2012 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think so.

I think Tulo’s contract if signed today would have easily been $200 million. And if CarGo signed right now, I don’t think $120-130 million would be out of the question. After this year, it could have easily been a $200 million extension.

Also, we should thank our lucky stars, because after this year, there might not have been any deals negotiated where arbitration years would be bought out.

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by jasontheuncatchable on Jan 24, 2012 1:16 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

no but to sign him @ age 29 as a FA might have

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 2:41 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

And CarGo was a Scott Boras client.

Just imagine him hitting free agency.

by Shoemaker on Jan 24, 2012 1:14 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Just wait for the Bryce Harper $300 million dollar contract here in a few years.

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by jasontheuncatchable on Jan 24, 2012 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I think its sad that when I see $200 million dollar contracts I don’t even blink…thanks Alex Rodriguez

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Is there an easily searchable list...

…of +$100 million dollar contracts vs. World Series winners?

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by jasontheuncatchable on Jan 24, 2012 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Off the top of my head:

Kevin Brown – no
Alex Rodriguez – no/yes
Barry Zito – no (?)
Mike Hampton – hahaha no
Manny Ramirez – yes
CC Sabathia – yes
Mark Teixeira – yes
Tood Helton – no
Adrian Gonzalez – no
Carl Crawford – no
Miguel Cabrera – no

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by jasontheuncatchable on Jan 24, 2012 1:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I guess Tulo qualifies for this list too

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by Resolution on Jan 24, 2012 1:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Good point.

Who else has had a +$100 million dollar deal? Did Randy Johnson?

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by jasontheuncatchable on Jan 24, 2012 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Here’s a pretty good link. although it doesn’t have some of the more recent ones like Reyes, Braun, Kemp and Fielder

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:52 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

More no's

Johan Santana
Joe Mauer
Alfonso Soriano
Ryan Howard
Jason Giambi
Cliff Lee
Jayson Werth
Carlos Beltran
Ken Griffy Jr.
Carlos Lee

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Albert Pujols- Yes

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

2nd Albert Pujols- TBD

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Also Vernon Wells

Of course many of these could still turn into a yes.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Ryan Braun?

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Jose Reyes

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Matt Kemp- TBD

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Howard's deal was post-WS win?

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by jasontheuncatchable on Jan 24, 2012 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

The $125 million extension was

And it doesn’t begin until now

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow.

We could have a new winner for the worst contract in MLB history.

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by jasontheuncatchable on Jan 24, 2012 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

i didn't think there was ever a question

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

More Yes's

Albert Pujols
Derek Jeter
Matt Holliday

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Matt Holliday

:-(

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by Resolution on Jan 24, 2012 1:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I would argue that Holiday didn't really contribute to the Cards winning that WS

But he did contribute to them getting there.

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by Thnikkaman on Jan 24, 2012 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

That's what I was wondering about Zito.

Because he was inactive on the roster for the WS, does that count?

Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but Sabathia is the only +$100 million contract winner to win a Cy Young?

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by jasontheuncatchable on Jan 24, 2012 1:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Lee, Santana, and Zito also won the Cy (oddly, like Sabathia, all in the AL)

However, they all won the award before they signed their contract.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Heyman
prince will be the first baseman, for anyone asking. cabrera will have to change role. #tigers

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:14 PM MST reply actions  

Either way they are likely to pay a DH over $20million a year

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep.

And Prince isn’t exactly a defensive wizard. Soo…

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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 24, 2012 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Platoon 'em at two positions simultaneously.

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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 24, 2012 1:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sure if you understand, Jon Morosi
This will be fascinating. Neither Cabrera nor Fielder will want to DH all the time. Can Miggy play 3B or LF? #Tigers

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:24 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

no way

cabrera is a bad fielder, but he’s better than prince…. unless they plan to move him to 3rd???

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

that is what they are planning

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

i guess they figure that after years of inge being atrocious at the plate but a wizard with the glove

they’re willing to try the opposite

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I think it’s worth a shot temporarily at least. I mean, at this point they’re a really strong team in a crappy division so they have a nice cushion to play around with.

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by Resolution on Jan 24, 2012 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Jayson Stark
Over the last 3 years, Baseball Info Solutions says Cabrera cost his team 16 runs at 1B. Prince cost 15. So flip a coin.

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 1:51 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Todd Helton: 2012 All Star, by default

just stay healthy

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 1:53 PM MST via Android app reply actions  

Howard + Votto + one outstanding season by someone like an Ike Davis could still lock him out though

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Howard?

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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 24, 2012 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think the Achilles will be healed by OD.

I think he’ll be back more around May. So that keeps him out of consideration for me.

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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 24, 2012 1:57 PM MST up reply actions  

not Howard next year I don't think

possibilities: Ike Davis, Freddie Freeman, Paul Goldschmidt, Brandon Belt (if he plays), Lance Berkman. its hardly a clear path, but It’s possible.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 2:01 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

You and CCR are probably right on this one

I just have so little faith in the fan All Star voting that I believe that they will still vote Howard in as long as he comes back by May or June.

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 2:12 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Damn

NL lost Pujols and Fielder and got back buehle and Cuddyer.

by mkorpal on Jan 24, 2012 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

NL Central lost Pujols, Fielder

and Bruan is out for 50 games

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Take advantage, Astros!

I would have laughed if the Rangers or Mariners had signed Fielder. Two of the biggest hitters in the NL would have given the ’stros a year off, and then met them again in 2013.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 2:07 PM MST up reply actions  

not to mention Adrian Gonzalez

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 2:09 PM MST up reply actions  

kinda what i meant

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm mostly referring to

a very big drop in talent to the NL this year. That, and at least Gonzalez brought back some talent in the form of prospects.

by mkorpal on Jan 24, 2012 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Heyman
heard cabrera is excited to welcome #prince, doesn’t mind moving to 3b. #tigers
there is no opt out in #prince deal. heard $214M is spread pretty evenly over term. about $23.8M a yr. #tigers

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2012 2:21 PM MST reply actions  

A few amusing suggestions from the comments section of a piece wondering if the Astros should change their name when they move to the AL
“Astros fans have been using the terms ‘Lastros’ and ‘Disastros’ for decades! For now I’d go with the AAAstros.”
“The most appropriate name for this franchise would be the Houston Mosquitos. The only place in the world where they grow to be the size of German shepherds. On any given night, there is more swatting going on in the stands than on the field.”
“The Galveston Texas Astros of Houston. Why not? One AL West team has already named itself after a city where it doesn’t reside.”

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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 2:45 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

The Houston Streets

The city’s paved over in concrete. It makes sense.

by maris61 on Jan 24, 2012 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

So

Adam Dunn through age 27 4098PA .248/.381/.519 238HR 130 OPS+
Prince Fielder thought age 27 4210PA 282/.390/.540 230HR 143 OPS+
Prince is better but not 214 over 9 years better

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 2:55 PM MST reply actions  

OT: Scouting in fantasy

When I start scouting high schoolers for my fantasy team, somebody please shoot me.

by Traindogger on Jan 24, 2012 2:56 PM MST reply actions  

/giggity

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 2:57 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

AHHHHH YEAH!!! o/

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by TomCat009 on Jan 24, 2012 3:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I guess Fielder got paid by the pound...

/fat

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Gravy man gravy

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Hahahaha

I'M SORRY I WAS EVER MAD AT YOU, ROCKIES! COME BACK TO ME! I LOVE YOU!!

by prettyinpurple on Jan 24, 2012 5:08 PM MST up reply actions  

tigers sign prince fielder

blue jays counter with francisco cordero

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 3:29 PM MST reply actions  

check

mate

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by Resolution on Jan 24, 2012 3:33 PM MST up reply actions  

also

boy it’s gotta be rough to be a twins fan right now

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 3:32 PM MST reply actions  

most positive twins tweet I've seen this offseason

“Sources say Justin Morneau has not experienced concussion-like symptoms since last month”

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 3:34 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

that sure is tough, look at Sid the Kid right now, collides at mid ice, doesn’t even hit his head and hes out for a month again

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 25, 2012 8:09 AM MST up reply actions  

So who's the resident jackass around here these days?

I plan on retaking my title now that it’s officially baseball season (in my book).

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 3:53 PM MST reply actions  

We've taken turns...

keeping your seat warm.

"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
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by RdRnnr on Jan 24, 2012 4:13 PM MST up reply actions  

I thought it smelled

like farts in here…

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 4:15 PM MST up reply actions  

No need to thank me.

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by RdRnnr on Jan 24, 2012 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Just because

everyone likes the smell of their own shit poop, doesn’t mean I’m going to thank you for it.

(been a while…little rusty on the profanity rules)

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 4:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Drew Goodman

said on his radio show this afternoon that someone with 30+ years of MLB experience not affiliated with the Rockies said that he expected Arenado to be an MVP candidate within the next 4 years…

Anyone else hear that? Does anyone believe that?

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 4:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Drew Goodman has a radio show?

Where?

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 4:21 PM MST up reply actions  

104.3 The Fan

Redid their programming lineup on the new year. Drew Goodman is paired with Scott Hastings now from 12-3…which really becomes the Drew Goodman show during basketball season as Scott travels with the Nuggets for Altitude telecasts. It’s a pretty good show, but I hate that I have to listen to Jim Rome on AM now.

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 4:25 PM MST up reply actions  

not familiar with that site

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 4:36 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

I've seen some of their stuff, and their Top 100 list is absolutely dreadful, IMO

They’ve got Cody Buckel of Texas at #19 and Miguel de los Santos, also of Texas, at #49. Then there’s Matt Lollis of the Padres at #74. By comparison, Sickels gives Buckel a B, de los Santos a C+, and Lollis doesn’t even make the Top 20. That’s just some of the more bizarre rankings. They’ve also ranked Tim Wheeler (#56) above Nolan Arenado (#87).

They certainly give comprehensive reasoning for their thinking, though.

by steakman on Jan 24, 2012 6:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting way of organizing it

I haven’t read all of it yet, but it seems ok. Not sure if I agree with the conclusions made on Arenado. They seem to imply that 40 home run players grow on threes. I can see Arenado developing into a 30 home run player as he grows, which in my mind is plenty to call him a power hitter.

by mkorpal on Jan 24, 2012 4:53 PM MST up reply actions  

who the heck are the relief prospects?

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 6:23 PM MST up reply actions  

but I hate that I have to listen to Jim Rome on AM now.

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

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reply fail...

I blame the jdub…

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by Junction Rox on Jan 24, 2012 4:29 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Rome’s beatdown by Jim Everett was one of the greatest moments in television history.

by Adam2011 on Jan 24, 2012 4:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Rome’s beatdown by Jim Everett was one of the greatest staged moments in television history.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 4:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Sorry.

It. Was. E. Pic.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 4:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Does it really surprise you

that I would like Jim Rome?

Now that he signed a deal with CBS…you’ll see more of him when you least expect it. He’s supposed to be at the US Open…Tennis that is. Imagine this:

Chris Everett: “And now we go court side with Jim Rome…Jim, I bet you don’t do it…”

Jim Rome: “I bet I do…Jim”

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 4:40 PM MST up reply actions  

This is because

you have a take and you don’t suck.

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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 24, 2012 4:43 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL

Well played…

I think the sound clips alone are reason enough to listen. Most of the callers blow ass, but when he buzzes them it’s worth it.

And like him or not, he really is a GREAT interviewer. Awesome interview with George Karl this morning.

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 4:47 PM MST up reply actions  

/Sandstormbag

/Good Vibrations

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 6:08 PM MST up reply actions  

My hat's off to Boras(s)

I can’t stand him and his approach, but he clearly is the master at this game. Every time you start to doubt him and whether he took the right approach, BAM!, he goes out and proves you wrong. Time after time after time.

by Adam2011 on Jan 24, 2012 4:37 PM MST reply actions  

I'm calling it now - RIRF bookmark this comment.

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by hotdoglady on Jan 24, 2012 4:38 PM MST reply actions  

The will finish the season

having scored more runs in all of their designated matches of all other professional baseball clubs that play in the National League West Division of the Major League Baseball.

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by hotdoglady on Jan 24, 2012 4:41 PM MST up reply actions  

/reaches through the internet

/slaps traindogger with limp hot dog.

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by hotdoglady on Jan 24, 2012 4:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Something about Traindogger

just screams “limp”…

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 5:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Newbie, eh?

Let me introduce myself…

I don’t need to know you to talk smack.

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

You don't know how to talk smack.

And I’m only new to someone who hasn’t been around awhile.

by Traindogger on Jan 24, 2012 5:10 PM MST up reply actions  

You joined PR as of 1/12

You’re right…you’ve been here forever.

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 5:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't believe everythign you read on the interweb

But oh … to be as long-tenured as you …

I bow down to your purplerowiness.

by Traindogger on Jan 24, 2012 5:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah...I already ate my comment

It was bitter…like a good IPA.

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 5:17 PM MST up reply actions  

And I obviously don't know what year it is...

I’m a freakin’ idiot.

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 5:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice play on the son

son…er, sir?

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Or in my case...

financiers…I’ll still find a way to screw ya.

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 5:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Because I know that you have not truly lived

until you have been slapped with a cold limp hot dog

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by hotdoglady on Jan 24, 2012 5:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Eek! No guarantees! No promises! No positivity!

I’m just going to keep believing that 2012 is a rebuilding/keep the bases warm for the next young starts (Arenado, Rutledge or whoever at 2B, Rosario when he’s fully trained). If the Rockies do better, it will be a nice surprise (made possible by some crafty dealing for appropriate veterans).

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by glaucophane on Jan 24, 2012 4:43 PM MST up reply actions  

ATF posted a link

on twitter to an SBNation article on why this may NOT be a rebuilding year, and WHY the Indians should be wary of the Marco Scutero trade…

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 4:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I think

a) the link is somewhere above

and

b) 2011 was difficult for a lot of us – why don’t you take your expectations and head on down the road, sonny

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 4:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't you "sonny" me, boy...

I got you by a good 7 months on this site…which is decades in internets time.

I was offending people here whilst you were in diapers.

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 4:51 PM MST up reply actions  

It'd be like Tom Cruise in Risky Business...

with more cushion…

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 5:00 PM MST up reply actions  

i also picture you

wearing a bonnet and sucking on a pacifier.

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by hotdoglady on Jan 24, 2012 5:01 PM MST up reply actions  

More like

pink oxford and tube socks.

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 5:02 PM MST up reply actions  

I get that a lot.

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 5:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Fine

Why don’t you head on down the road, with your fancy expectations, mister!

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 24, 2012 4:56 PM MST up reply actions  

That's better.

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 5:01 PM MST up reply actions  

amusing part is it was written by the giants blogger

"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 24, 2012 7:06 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

I'm in this boat.

2011 has sucked out the optimism of my youth.
/won’t get fooled again

I'M SORRY I WAS EVER MAD AT YOU, ROCKIES! COME BACK TO ME! I LOVE YOU!!

by prettyinpurple on Jan 24, 2012 5:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Got it

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 6:05 PM MST up reply actions  

I once

predicted a wormhole would get us to the playoffs. The year? 2009

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by jrockies on Jan 24, 2012 6:38 PM MST up reply actions  

True story

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Jan 24, 2012 6:40 PM MST up reply actions  

was wondering how long it would take you

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by jrockies on Jan 24, 2012 6:42 PM MST up reply actions  

2 minutes

that’s impressive

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 6:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually

I predicted a WS, but the playoffs were close

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by jrockies on Jan 24, 2012 6:52 PM MST up reply actions  

It's not a Purple Row guarantee without the Aberle Seal of Approval (TM)

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by Jeff Aberle on Jan 24, 2012 9:19 PM MST up reply actions  

don't stamp it then

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by jrockies on Jan 24, 2012 9:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Must. Resist. Urge. To. Guarantee things!

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by Jeff Aberle on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge news

Minor League Ball and MLB Bonus Baby have merged. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Feces is hitting the fan!!!!!!!

Too much caffeine today.

by mkorpal on Jan 24, 2012 5:07 PM MST reply actions  

I read that as "faces" hitting the fan...

Too much not caffeine…

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by The jDub on Jan 24, 2012 5:27 PM MST up reply actions  

So does this make Derek Jeter look better?

Probably not!

29 today, 28 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Plus, I leave tomorrow to go to Las Vegas to bowl in a professional tournament and 2 days until I start bowling
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by Roxman4ever on Jan 24, 2012 7:10 PM MST up reply actions  

w-

what?

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 7:11 PM MST up reply actions  

JFK's Quote of the Day:

“I don’t think I can get into my deep inner thoughts about hitting. It’s like talking about religion.” ~Mike Schmidt in "Late Innings" by Roger Angell

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by jrockies on Jan 24, 2012 5:31 PM MST reply actions  

OT: I think I may have just done something insane

Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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by free7694 on Jan 24, 2012 9:37 PM MST reply actions  

....

go on

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 9:38 PM MST up reply actions  

I applied for a baseball operations internship with the Yankees

I didn’t see any qualifications I didn’t meet, so I figured what the hell…

Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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by free7694 on Jan 24, 2012 9:39 PM MST up reply actions  

/thud

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 PM MST up reply actions  

#acquireeverythingfromthesmallermarkets

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 9:42 PM MST up reply actions  

thud?

Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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by free7694 on Jan 24, 2012 9:46 PM MST up reply actions  

just take it as her falling over impressed

because it’s a job she’s always wanted (not necessarily with the Yankees though)

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by jrockies on Jan 24, 2012 9:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Just wow.

Very brave to apply for a job with any baseball team much less the Yankees. I don’t like the team but I admire your moxie! Good luck….

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 10:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I figure the worst thing that can happen is I don't get it

I’ve applied for a lot of jobs and not gotten them

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by free7694 on Jan 24, 2012 10:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh I hear that. Don't ask, don't get!

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by SDcat09 on Jan 24, 2012 10:16 PM MST up reply actions  

And on the off chance I do get it

It would be such an awesome job to have

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by free7694 on Jan 24, 2012 10:18 PM MST up reply actions  

damn straight

(even though i don’t think you’re very fond of the yankees?)

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 10:20 PM MST up reply actions  

If I got the job

I’d be awful fond of them awful quick

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by free7694 on Jan 24, 2012 10:24 PM MST up reply actions  

sweet

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 PM MST up reply actions  

There were some things they listed as being "a plus" that I didn't have

But I guess all they can do is say no

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by free7694 on Jan 24, 2012 9:41 PM MST up reply actions  

do you live in new york?

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 9:42 PM MST up reply actions  

No, but I'm very, very willing to relocate

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by free7694 on Jan 24, 2012 9:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not sure that George Costanza is someone you should be emulating

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by Jeff Aberle on Jan 24, 2012 9:41 PM MST up reply actions  

he was assistant to the traveling secretary

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 9:50 PM MST up reply actions  

It wasn't insane because of the team

It’s just something that I’d never really considered applying for before, but I’m apparently qualified.

Hell, I applied for a PR job with the Dodgers, something I actually somewhat went to school for.

Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.

by free7694 on Jan 24, 2012 9:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Ah, that too.

I was also sort of pointing it out to everyone in general, too.

by holly96 on Jan 24, 2012 9:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I probably won't get it

But I guess stranger things have happened…

Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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by free7694 on Jan 24, 2012 9:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Good luck

I really do hope you get it

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by jrockies on Jan 24, 2012 9:42 PM MST up reply actions  

where do you apply for that?

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 9:59 PM MST up reply actions  

yankees.com

Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
How the world will end in 2012: George of the Roses builds a Machine that Pommels everyone with La Violencia during Whiteouts.

by free7694 on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 PM MST up reply actions  

sick. Good luck!

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by Resolution on Jan 24, 2012 11:23 PM MST up reply actions  

After reading this thread I realized there are things members of the PR staff shouldn't be allowed to do:

Jeff Aberle: Guarantee the Rockies to do anything
Rox Girl: Make bets with opposing teams (not that she’s done this in a while)

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by jrockies on Jan 24, 2012 9:44 PM MST reply actions  

rox girl is pete rose?

which would mean russ is pete rose… hmmm, his haircuts are terrible…

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 10:08 PM MST up reply actions  

that should say: opposing teams' blogs

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by jrockies on Jan 24, 2012 10:33 PM MST up reply actions  

well, that changes the meaning of that sentence

quite significantly

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by papality on Jan 24, 2012 10:37 PM MST up reply actions  

LMAO.

So true!!

MOYER IS OUR SAVIOR
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 24, 2012 11:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Belt

will have the same OPS+ this year as Carlos Beltran for his career? Oh, ok now I see.

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