Monday Rockpile: Sometimes, Being a Rockies Fan Just Isn't Fair
Yesterday, the Denver Broncos won their first playoff game since 2005, when they beat the New England Patriots 27-13 in the Division Round of the NFL playoffs. Sunday, against the defending AFC champion Pittsburgh Steelers, after a huge 2nd quarter, the Broncos went all but silent, scoring a mere 3 points in the 2nd half, leading to a 23-23 overtime period. First play of overtime, Tim Tebow takes the snap in the shotgun on the Broncos' 20 yard line and passes to Demaryius Thomas across the middle who then ran the remaining 70 yards or so to give the Broncos a 29-23 victory.
I never thought I'd sink to the point of actually writing about Tim Tebow on Purple Row. But here we are. The Broncos, despite a very disappointing 3-game losing streak to end the season, did rattle off a 6-0 run before that disappointing finish, many of those wins involving a variety of magic. Magic that the Rockies don't seem to have.
In one-run games in 2011, the Rockies were 21-27. In blowouts, 18-24. Extra innings? 4-8. Sundays? Not going there.
You see, right now, and I mean in the short term, the Rockies are screwed. Us, the fans, are waiting and hoping for youth and talent to arrive in all aspects of the game: pitching, batting, fielding. Many of the pieces are in place, in one form or another, in the forms we're all familiar with and have discussed ad nauseum (Tulo, Cargo, Fowler, Betancourt, etc). We are waiting on a few obvious players to arrive, in other obvious forms (Arenado, Pomeranz, Rutledge, Rosario, etc). But what about the pieces the Rockies need that aren't there, that they need to go external to find?
How much of the above records in those un-clutch games could've been changed by one of those "bigger than the numbers" players? How much are the Rockies hurting for a Tim Tebow type, the guy who shows up in the 7th, the 8th, the 9th, makes a game of it when the chips seem down? Do you know who the biggest hitter in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings was for the Rockies? Kevin freaking Kouzmanoff, with a .974 OPS. Next would be Carlos Gonzalez, with a .919 OPS (.331/.392/.528) - which is incredibly important, but based on the sequential nature of baseball (that is, you tend to need a second guy to get a hit after the first guy, you know), you kind of need that second guy. A .802 OPS isn't bad from Tulowitzki, but a far cry from his pre-7th inning wonders.
No, the Rockies need another big hitter. Another big pitcher. Another something or other to put the team over the top: when injuries haven't decimated the team, we need one of those guys who is gonna turn some of them there 1-run games from a 1-run loss to a 1-run win.
So how does a team go about getting new players? Well, there's obviously three main avenues: Trades, Free Agents, and Amateurs (Draft and International Free Agents).
So far in trades, the Rockies have done... well, mixed results. Moving Matt Holliday got an excellent return in hindsight, given what Oakland got out of Holliday and the production the Rockies have gotten out of Greg Smith, Huston Street, and Carlos Gonzalez (Street's extension aside). It's too soon to tell, but the Ubaldo Jimenez return is looking alright. Past that, the Rockies seem to have trouble moving prospects to land that one big bat/arm (Muzia has pointed out many times that Dan O'Dowd has never traded away a top prospect). So trading might just be out when it comes to having a new centerpiece player on the club.
Free Agency is just a mess. This isn't to criticize the Cuddyer signing; the objections still exist and are valid, in my mind, but Cuddyer signing is a GOOD thing in principle.
Look at the facts of this: the Rockies play in the most extreme hitting environment in Major League Baseball. Top flight Free Agent pitchers won't come to Colorado without an extreme overpay, as a stint in Coors Field will wreck a pitcher's numbers and chances for a following contract. Top flight Free Agent hitters won't come to Colorado without an extreme overpay, as a stint in Coors Field will overinflate a hitter's numbers and chances for a following contract. Double standard? You betcha. This isn't even bemoaning the small TV market and limited chance for exposure that also keeps many big name Free Agents away from Colorado.
This is why Cuddyer signing is kind of a big deal. It's some sort of sign that the Rockies might be capable of attracting better Free Agents than the bargain basement guys who would pretty much sign anywhere.
So this leaves us with internal development, and also plays us the same song about Nolan Arenado, Josh Rutledge, Wilin Rosario, and the rest of the farm. This puts so much more of an onus on names like Tyler Anderson, Tyler Matzek, Kyle Parker. This makes upcoming drafts just that much more important. Depth is good, it's very important, but drafting depth tends to mean that your farm's upside is also depth. Some players like Brad Hawpe or Clint Barmes will get you value from the late rounds, but we need to be real: the top round or two of the draft needs to start turning out some winners if this team wants a shot again.
So maybe Unfair is the wrong way to describe Colorado's plight. But the fact is that the Rockies are in a very unique situation. In a sense, so are most teams, but just given the absurd nature of Coors Field, the conundrum of trying to acquire external talent, and trying to stay the course of building from within, the constraints just seem that much tighter.
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One link, and it's a decent one:
Twitter / @Ken_Rosenthal: Sources: RHP Aaron Cook in agreement with Red Sox on Minor League Deal
Attaboy, Cookie. Shame to see a longtime Rockie go and play in Boston, of all places, but I'm glad he's getting a shot somewhere.
That said, I find the disparity in pricetags from a Carl Pavano type to an Aaron Cook type is interesting, to say the least. This isn't to excuse Cook's poor past couple of seasons, especially when you consider his ERA/FIP(xFIP) discrepancy or anything like that. I mean more that it's like $8-10M per year or a Minor League contract (or incentive laden $800k deal, or whatever).
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Um, What?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/rockies-may-not-have-budget-space-for-millwood.html
How is it that we have no room in the budget for 3 million?
...you want to pay $3mil for Kevin Millwood?
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by Muzia on Jan 9, 2012 8:12 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think that implies
we don’t want to sign Millwood for $3mil.
I bet we’ll sign someone else for more than that this offseason. A Maholm type.
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I hope it's just a case
of Renck not being very clear with his point. But, I’m not holding my breath.
If the Rockies really offered
$1 million guaranteed and another $1 mil in incentives, that seems about right. If Millwood can really get $3 mil guaranteed somewhere else, I’ll wish him all the best with his new team.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 9, 2012 8:32 AM MST up reply actions
Milwood and $3 mil in the same sentence makes me sick to my stomach
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 9, 2012 9:06 AM MST up reply actions
As the top end of an incentive-laden deal, maybe
But $3 mil guaranteed? No way.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 9, 2012 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
I'm wondering
if we really need to examine “Veteran Innings Eating Pitcher” and what that really means as a value for a team. Obviously at face value you know what it means, but why is a 37 year old any more likely to pitch tons of innings versus a 25 year old? Cuz hes crafty? Well hes still 37 and not very good? So why do we wanna waste money on that? Why not just have a 6th starter available a $400k to eat those innings out of the pen instead of a marginal MLBer at $2 or $3 mil. I don’t know the answer to this right now, but wondering if “Veteran Innings Eating Pitcher” is just being thrown around loosely and without a ton of merit? Or Maybe it isnt?
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 9, 2012 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
Millwood's ability to pitch deep into most of his starts last year
kept the season from swirling even further into the crapper than it did. He didn’t keep the team in contention, or anything close to that. But he eased the pressure on the bullpen and helped make most of the games he started a somewhat winnable proposition. There’s value in that – but in my mind, not $3 mil guaranteed value.
As for the “veteran” aspect, I think Millwood’s ability to minimize damage and keep his pitch count under control is, to some degree, a product of experience. That’s why I don’t think it’s unreasonable to pay more for his services than you would pay for a young guy making the league minimum. But again the question is, “how much more?” If you can get him for $1 mil or maybe $1.3 or something like that, do it. But $3 mil would require a whole different set of expectations.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 9, 2012 9:37 AM MST up reply actions
Homeruns
both on offense and on the mound. The latter could be limited but the former was fun to watch. I agree with you on the price tag.
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 9, 2012 9:07 AM MST up reply actions
With the new CBA
it doesn’t matter
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red sox must have a scout in Colorado they like
Franklin Morales, Chris Balcom-Miller, Mike McKenry, Aaron Cook all in the last year plus. That, or It’s a random fluctuation, but that’s no fun
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I stopped just short of suggesting that
when I realized PHLP probably didn’t like F-Mo much
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 9, 2012 9:25 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
didn't we deduce that he works for an NL team?
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Be honest, how many of you
Know what Colorado’s state reptile is?
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2012 8:35 AM MST via Android app up reply actions 9 recs
Hmm...
I’ll go with Dayle Cedars, even though she wasn’t good enough to go to School in Colorado. She wanted to be a Number in Austin. Freakin’ T-Sip.
I don't understand any of this.
wrong blog, perhaps?
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I thought we were a knitting blog.
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 9, 2012 11:20 AM MST up reply actions
I thought we were a sculling blog.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 9, 2012 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
We're a navigation blog?
I need to do
ust off my sextant
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A Peter Schilling blog...
4, 3, 2, 1,…?
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Well technically
there’s always earth below us.
by Purple Row Troll on Jan 9, 2012 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
Nope.

Though I miss the days when we were a Troy Tulowitzki blog.
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 9, 2012 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
I think it's a shame
that there is no room here for those of us who prefer to crochet
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by Junction Rox on Jan 9, 2012 11:42 AM MST up reply actions
Not really.
(Although crochet is good for creating smaller accent for your already knitted piece.)
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by prettyinpurple on Jan 9, 2012 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
My wife loves to crochet.
She is actually trying to start something up. She is taking orders for stuff right now. She is trying to find business, anyone want anything? She is really good at it.
45 today, 44 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training.
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Oh beehave
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That's because it's now a Tebowitzki blog
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You mean TebowKnitzki?
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
by DAWNMARIE01 on Jan 9, 2012 3:15 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Why yes...yes I do
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Huh,
I thought it was a Ty Knotson blog.
My mistake.
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Why yes...yes he does
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i believe arts and crafts is required in the AARP home that is citizen's bank ballpark
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Isn't Knitting arranging Knots in a manner that you create a garment?
I really want to go with the theme here.
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This isn't Knot's Landing
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I would prefer a Dynasty
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icwydt
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How about Savannah?
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Ha ha.
That had to be the cheesiest of all the cheesy nighttime soaps!
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
Obviously you've never seen "Titans"
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It had Morgan Fairchild
I honestly didn’t care how cheesy it might have been…
I also want to say there was a young Mark Harmon, but honestly I wasn’t paying that much attention to him…
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Didn't it have a Boss Hogg-like character too?
Seems like that puts it pretty high up on the cheesy scale.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
I think there was somebody like that
not played for the yuks that Boss Hogg was, but IIRC he did favor the white suits….
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That name sounds familiar.
Tell me more!
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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I always thought it was Josh McDanilels
Sorry, no more football here today.
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There was no such thing when I studied the subject in elementary school
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 9, 2012 8:38 AM MST up reply actions
You studied Colorado state reptiles?
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It must have been a short class.
Today we will study the Colorado state reptile… And moving on the the next subject…
I have a popup book I made in fourth grade with all the state symbols
the fish was a recent addition then
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 9, 2012 9:26 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
You're right.
It was made the official state reptile in ’08.
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It's Dinger isn't it? A frakkin' purple triceratop?
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I cheated and looked.
It would make my wife happy. Those reptiles are my wife’s favorite animals.
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Get well soon Juan.
I cheated, too.
might’ve guessed garter snake.
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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I want a flannel shirt done up in the
Official State Tartan. Wouldn’t get a lot of use out of a kilt.
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The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
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It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
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Please let it be the whiptail lizard
cause they’re cool, and there are a lot of them around here.
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Now I wonder what the $$$ is. Really thought he would be a good fit on the team
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 9, 2012 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
I wanted that guy.
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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likewise
there must be something big we’re missing, and not just hittability.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2012 12:21 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe Renck is right
maybe we have less than 3 million left to spend. Maybe were going into the season with a pretty big payroll cut.
While raising ticket prices?
I don’t see it
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 9, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
cutting payroll this year while raising tickets?
sounds like we’re saving up for the baller FA class of 2012-2013
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outside of pitching, that class looks ugggggly
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i dunno about that
it’s chuck full of good outfielders, and the 2B crop is better than this year
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Every class looks good a year out
Half those guys will either be signed or will have a huge flop of a season. It will be an average class, which is to say, a crappy class.
why do you hate the future
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I love The Future.
Systematic overthrow of the underclass
Hollywood conjures images of the past
New world needs spiritually
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prince is so awesome
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I dunno dude
Jeff Baker
Orlando Hudson *
Maicer Izturis
Howie Kendrick
Jeff Keppinger
Ian Kinsler *
Luis Rodriguez
Freddy Sanchez
Skip Schumaker
OF class looks kinda weak outside of Josh Hamilton, who really wouldn’t be a great signing..
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you forgot PRMLB NL MVP frontrunner kelly johnson :)
as for the OF, there’s also nick swisher, bj upton, michael bourn, marlon byrd, and shane victorino, andre ethier, ichiro, carlos quentin, andruw jones… that’s pretty strong IMO
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It can be depending on how you look at it, but for really improving this team? We have OF pretty much set for the next 3 seasons… and a couple of those dudes shouldn’t be Ofers and a couple more are old or part-timers…
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oh you mean from the rockies perspective?
i meant it’s a strong overall class. but yeah, there’s pretty much no use for any of those guys unless we say trade fowler and then sign upton or do something else weird
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yea, I could care less about other teams’ perspectives, but overall, yea it’s not bad, there are some good names there..
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There aren't any names like this.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 9, 2012 2:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
his nickname may be the best part
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you can cross Kendrick off that list
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 9, 2012 2:06 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
that's why there's a strike through it....
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well, I just learned something else that doesn't translate to the Android app
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 9, 2012 3:02 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
could make sense, disappointing 2011, no Tulo and Cargo extensions to sell tix on this year
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 9, 2012 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
My understanding is that there has been little to no significant drop off in STH and MPH ticket sales this year. I’m not sure about single game tickets.
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I'm known to have been against Maholm signing here.
It was a bit of a joke, but I’m happy he’s not coming here.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 9, 2012 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
I've spelled it out before.
The fact he has a straight, slow FB, that he has gotten (and will continue to) get blown up at Coors Field, that his GB numbers are deceptive. I just don’t like him here.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 9, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
he's been hating on Maholm for weeks now
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2012 12:23 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Rosenthal
Correction: Now told by another source that #Rockies are NOT on Lidge. #MLB
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by Colsportsfan on Jan 9, 2012 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
Victory!
???
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The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
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by Since1993 on Jan 9, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Moyer anyone?
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Possible replacement for Frasier in the booth. Too much upside for us I guess?
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I'd crack up and probably get a Moyer jersey
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2012 12:22 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
certainly supportive of his quest to pitch for every team before the age of 50
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I would totally support a Moyer signing...
…if only because, as Louis CK mentioned, he would be the only major league player that is older than him (and myself).
“…uhhhh oooohhh…You’re so OLD! You’re so g’damn OLD!”
by WhiskeyDrinkingMan on Jan 9, 2012 11:34 PM MST up reply actions
This is a great sentence:
This isn’t to criticize the Cuddyer signing; the objections still exist and are valid, in my mind, but Cuddyer signing is a GOOD thing in principle.
Without trying to imply anything about what Andrew thinks about Cuddyer, this is the silver lining to the Cuddyer signing for me. If the team thinks that it is a few good breaks from playoff contention, then signing Cuddyer means that the FO is willing to spend money to put the team over the top. From 2007-2010, this was an attribute that was frequently noted as missing.
Waiting for the next shoe to drop
So true. Cuddyer is the first installment in building a competitive team. The fact he is here means the other pieces may soon fall into place.
The Rox still need at least one more strong bat, and that SP they are talking about. Not sure why it is so importnat he be an innings eater. Would be just as happy to see a good intimidating pitcher, who doesn’t get injured part way through the season. Slowey doesn’t strike me as the solution. Maybe a good back up player. The Rox need someone that will plow into inning six with maybe one run, and hardly anybody getting on base.
For now we have Chacin, Pomeranz, Hammel (probable), Nicasio (probable) and ???.
by Real Perspective on Jan 9, 2012 11:40 AM MST up reply actions
Bettis. Oh My!
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by Junction Rox on Jan 9, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions
White, supposedly, but I'm skeptical
He has a lot to prove in ST to be a serious candidate for the rotation
The Rox need someone that will plow into inning six with maybe one run, and hardly anybody getting on base.
So, the Rockies need Pedro Martinez circa 2002?
Sub-2 ERA.
Uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 9, 2012 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
it's more the opposite
given the bit about free agents not wanting to come here, this is a step in the right direction
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2012 12:24 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Right, I'm just hoping that the team thinks its closer to contention that most
Though for a lot of reasons that’s dreaming.
Larry Walker getting elected to the Hall (bit of a long shot) and back-to-back winning seasons (decent possibility in the near future) would also do the team well in attracting FAs.
No magic?
The Broncos, despite a very disappointing 3-game losing streak to end the season, did rattle off a 6-0 run before that disappointing finish, many of those wins involving a variety of magic. Magic that the Rockies don’t seem to have.
The Rockies had their magical season. ’07 anyone?
.
Magic that the Rockies don’t seem to have.
I believe that’s present-tense.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 9, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
thats why we signed Michael Cuddyer

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by waterboy31321 on Jan 9, 2012 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
In the movie adaptation
of the Rockies unbelievable run to win the world series in 2012, 2013 and 2014, Michael Cuddyer will be played by Will Arnett. Illusions, Jim Tracy, illusions!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 9, 2012 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
I think there are 2 players left from that team
Helton and Tulowitzki.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2012 12:54 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Seth Smith is still here.
But I’m trying real hard to get rid of him.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 9, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
Who was the last out of the Rockies world series apperance in '07?
I’ll take world Geography for $500 Alex.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
Carroll, no?
Man I can’t remember as I had to listen on the radio during a work apocalypse.
or were you answering the question already?
man I need some sleep. My bad.
it was Seth Smith, he struckout to end the game
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 9, 2012 1:16 PM MST up reply actions
I knew I was going to forget someone
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2012 1:23 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Give it a few weeks,
and you’ll be right.
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Great piece by Dave Cameron on the Hall
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I wonder if his idea would just promote similar babbling over players since it kind of alludes to having a hall of fame within the hall of fame. Would people start arguing over whether so-and-so should be included in that top tier?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 9, 2012 3:03 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
i imagine it's pretty easy to determine a top tier
especially since you could even split it into one section for pitchers and another for hitters. the guys with margin of error 100+ WAR are pretty clearly the ultra-elite players of all time, and that’s around 25-30 guys depending on how big your margin of error is and your valuation of defense and FIP (FG doesn’t have pitcher WAR prior to 1974 for reasons i don’t fully understand). like dave says, there’s 206 players in, and a system of Tier 1:~30 Tier 2:~60 Tier 3:~110 could work in theory.
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I also wrote a FanPost with a little explanation of my views on the Hall of Fame after the discussions of a few days ago.
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First Ballot Hall of Famers
I think the true top tier of Hall of Famers do get distinguished by being First Ballot Hall of Famers.
My thoughts
Are they a HOFer? Yes, vote them in the first time. No, don’t vote them in the first time.
/I like the current set up because some people do get looked over for stupid things but if you were to give the judges a shorter time frame to consider the voting might be a little more fair and thought out instead of “He’s not a first ballot guy so I won’t vote for him this year, but next year I’ll vote for him and hope others do as well.”
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ted williams and willie mays didn't get in on the first ballot
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stupid
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i know, right
but you want a ridiculous ballot? check this out
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The first ballots
ever had to include a lot of players. By the time Williams and Mays were eligible it wasn’t 50 guaranteed HOFers on the ticket
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whoops, williams and mays did get in on the first ballot, my bad
it’s just their low vote % that was ridiculous… and actually, william’s ballot, 1966, had 20 hall of famers on it, and casey stengel got in through the veterans committee
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18 future HOFers
got less than 5% of the vote. I assume, being the first vote, they probably didn’t have the rule that you got dropped from the ballot at that point…
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by Junction Rox on Jan 9, 2012 10:22 PM MST up reply actions
Poor Lou Whittaker
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So I guess the key to being a sports star in denver is to have your first and last name start with the letter "t"
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Nice observation there.
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I miss Tarmelo Tanthony....
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hmmmm.....
I just realized that could be construed as being far more racially insensitive than I intended….
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It wasn't until you said that
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But it could be taken that way
just wanted to clarify that wasn’t my intention…
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Yeah, he was pretty cool but I never cared for that Carmelo Anthony character.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
Tauncey Tillups!
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He was for a season...
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An All-Star even
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so was Ty Wigginton!
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Being an Allstar doesn't count for much these days
He was a slightly above average player during his peak.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Tatt Tolliday was....
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Tarrett Taktins
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the Nuggets need to get Tyrus Thomas quick...
But I would never vote for Tom Tancredo.
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Tohn Telway, Toe Takic, and Tatrick Troy were my heroes
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2012 6:40 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Rockies Prime Time: 7PM 850KOA
Just heard this promoted on KOA and I haven’t seen it mentioned here (pardon me if it was and I missed it) but apparently 850KOA is starting a weekly program featuring Jay Alves and Jerry Schemmel. The first episode will be tonight from 7-8 PM.
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Awesome
I understand this is a Broncos City, and given current events I’m ok with it, however it would be nice to have some more Rockies Coverage on the Radio.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Absolutely
I’m still a bit shocked that they spent 5 minutes talking baseball in the middle of the Dave Logan show on the day after a Broncos playoff win, even if they were promoting their own programming.
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Good interview with Cuddyer.
Interview with DOD coming up.
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He also mentioned something called KPA: Key Plate Appearances. It apparently is a special statistical analysis system that the Rockies use beyond the stats that everyone else sees that looks at how player can add to Win Shares.
Has anyone heard of this before? Obviously, he wouldn’t go into it, but he mentioned it as part of the Rockies system of player analysis in trades and FA signings.
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they must've overlooked Wiggington's KPA then.
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I think the Key Plate Appearances moniker isn’t necessarily descriptive of what it does. I really don’t know though. I’ve never heard of this.
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But, if it does exist, then Wiggy had nothing.
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Also, this goes without saying,
but DOD again reiterated the whole clubhouse atmosphere of accountability and competitiveness vision that they had coming into this offseason.
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Not that it matters, but I thought he called it "Team Plate Appearances"
But maybe I misunderstood. I was listening on headphones at the always-noisy gym.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 9, 2012 8:16 PM MST up reply actions
You could be right.
He said it very quickly adding to the air of mystery around it.
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never heard of it
must be very hush hush, because a google search reveals nothing
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It definitely seemed like some kind of system
and not just a stat. The more I think about it, I think Northsider is right that it was Team Plate Appearances. Since DOD mentioned Win Shares, it could be a system in which the combined team is analyzed based on the addition of a player to that team.
This is just me shooting in the dark though.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 10, 2012 6:29 AM MST up reply actions
I'm guessing here too
But I would say it’s probably some kind of system that quantifies a player’s penchant for recording quality at-bats – everything from RBI groundouts to hitting behind a runner to extending the pitch count, etc, etc. Basically, credit given for any quality at-bat that improves the team’s chance of winning that game.
I could be way off, but that’s my guess based on the context of the discussion.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 10, 2012 7:27 AM MST up reply actions
This would seem like it was Key Plate Appearances instead of
Team Plate Appearances.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 10, 2012 8:28 AM MST up reply actions
maybe Key Plate Apppearances means being scrappy, like Johnny H
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 10, 2012 6:24 AM MST up reply actions
Talks about really liking Casey Blake. They were unsure about his medicals, but those checked out. DOD talked to Blake about his role as a role model and veteran guide for Arenado and others.
Talked about Arenado being unbelievable, but unsure about his maturity.
Nicasio up to 30 pitches and will be competing for job in Spring Training.
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Last note was about 2B:
Nelson, Herrera, and DJLM will compete for 2B. They expect this young player to hit 8th in the lineup and be brought along. (This seems like a nod to DJLM.)
UNLESS, the right veteran comes along. So, they’re still in the hunt for a 2B via trade it seems, probably Prado.
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Just gonna post that
Tracy’s skin is probably crawling… who will he bat 2nd?!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 9, 2012 7:51 PM MST up reply actions
He's praying for Prado
like we all are.
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I just get nervous that we'll overpay
The Braves certainly aren’t going to give Prado away for less than what they want.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 9, 2012 7:53 PM MST up reply actions
I'd put Helton there, but it'd probably end up being Arenado/Blake if we consider 2B slotted eighth.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 9, 2012 7:52 PM MST up reply actions
My only concern would be speed.
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I think we discussed this months ago though.
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E Y 2! E Y 2! E Y 2!
Everybody! E Y 2!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 9, 2012 7:54 PM MST up reply actions
Probably.
I’ve long been a proponent of Helton in the 2 hole. His ability to bridge between 1-3 and put pressure on the opposing pitcher far outweighs the need for speed behind Fowler, IMO.
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 9, 2012 7:55 PM MST up reply actions
It’s more about it being harder to drive in Helton from 1st, 2nd, or a sacrifice from 3rd. Also, the wear and tear on him when he tries to stretch it out because he feels like he has to.
I guess the counterargument is that the same could be said about the six hole, but I’d rather have Prado hitting 2nd.
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I would too, but I'd rather have Helton over any of the other candidates already on the team besides maybe Arenado
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by Greg Stanwood on Jan 9, 2012 8:09 PM MST up reply actions
Right.
Blake seems like he’d have the same issues as the Toddfather. With DOD saying that the plan is for the 2B to hit in the eight hole, it really leaves Blake, unless they move Cargo up.
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And it seems like the chances of Arenado making the club out of Spring Training are slim, as they should be.
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Moving Cargo up would look something like:
Fowler
Cargo
Tulo
Cuddyer
Hernandez
Helton
Blake
2B
This is going by the previously stated desire to have Helton bat in the six hole.
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Pretty good show, right?
I’m sure they’re not getting DOD every week. This was the show to listen to though.
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Absolutely
I’ve been back and forth between the kitchen and the radio, so I didn’t catch it all, but nice to hear Jack’s voice.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 9, 2012 7:54 PM MST up reply actions
Also,
KOA keeps touting that they’re the “playoff home of the Broncos”, but I think the fact that this show was scheduled the first monday night after round 1 of the playoffs shows how much faith KOA had in the Donkos making it this far.
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dj mixmath profiles alright as a 2 hitter
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2012 9:02 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Well, whoop-te-do
Are we really going to go into 2011 with a payroll cut? After drawing 3 million fans and already being bottom half of baseball?
That, umm, would not go over well.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 9, 2012 8:28 PM MST up reply actions
That statement doesn't rule out a trade.
And really, what FAs left out there are worth signing or are realistically going to choose Colorado?
This was my thought.
Whom do we spend the money on? I’m not surprised.
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Kuroda
he seems to be getting more and more desperate as the offseason drags on
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Again,
I think this comes down to whether we want a 37-year old Kuroda on a multiyear deal blocking our young pitching. It doesn’t seem like a good move to me.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Jan 10, 2012 6:26 AM MST up reply actions
I guess it doesn't rule out a trade
I read it more as “we’re done.”
I would say, though, not knowing how hard he has already tried, I would put in offers to Oswalt and Jackson and see what happens. The list of teams with a spot open in their rotation AND who have money to spend is getting fairly short, with the Tigers looking like they’re about to cross themselves off. There’s a decent chance one of them will be left holding a bag with less money than they are hoping for. And Oswalt, for one, has already said he wouldn’t mind pitching here.
If we get one and are worried about money, we can easily dump Smith for a prospect and cut Slowey. That’s over $5m right there.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 9, 2012 8:47 PM MST up reply actions
I think the issue with acquiring a pitcher like that
is that they aren’t going to want a one year deal to pitch here. The organizational plan is to have Chacin, Nicasion, DLR, Pomeranz, and Slowey/Chatwood/White/Bettis. There isn’t room for a questionable veteran arm on a multiyear deal.
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Then you sign Millwood to a one year deal.
I think he will hold his own with the Rox. He did fine last year.
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Millwood is seeking $3M as mentioned earlier in the RP
which is certainly too much for our interests
He wants 3M? I didn't see that.
No, I wouldn’t pay that either.
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He’ll end up getting a nonroster signing and liking it.
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Unless he's preventing us from signing someone else
There’s absolutely not a reason in the world not to sign a Millwood for $3m for one season.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 9, 2012 9:03 PM MST up reply actions
I don't see Jackson as a "questionable arm"
He’s not an ace, but he’s an incredibly reliable, big arm who has had steadily increasing levels of success.
And Oswalt only wants one year and has said he wouldn’t rule CO out. Contrary to what a lot of folks seem to think, I don’t know if he really has that many teams chasing him. Methinks he would have signed by now if so.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 9, 2012 9:05 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed on Jackson
Oswalt is really interesting — Renck tweeted a while ago that the Rockies were “out” on him, but as you mention, it seems like interest in dwindling on the guy. Even the Cards, who have long been seen as the leader for Oswalt, apparently are only interested in adding him as a reliever, with significant incentives if he becomes a reliever, according to Joe Strauss of the STL Post-Dispatch’s tweets.
Not sure if there’s even a chance that we get back in on him, but it does look like he’d be available for significantly less than the ~12M one-year contract tossed around at the beginning of the offseason.
It's possible
circumstances may have changed over the past month, and it has happened where Renck has more or less ruled out a player who still ended up with us (De La Rosa for instance).
But, your right, it seems like money has dried up in the market. NY and Boston seem reluctant to add any more salary, and there are not a lot of openings out there.
texas is all that really remains
and that depends on darvish
arenado: it's Rockie for future
yeah looks like it
he’s got basically zero leverage
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Oswalt for $12 million, on a one-year deal?
I’d write that check in a heartbeat. If he returns to form you have completely transformed the outlook for your team in 2012. If he’s just decent, he’ll still spare wear and tear on your bullpen, improve your chances of sniffing .500, and put butts in the seats. If he’s terrible, it’s a one-year flyer that would not cripple the team financially.
Not saying Oswalt would come to Denver for that offer, because there’s no way to know. But if it would get him here, do it.
by Northsider1964 on Jan 10, 2012 7:34 AM MST up reply actions
We’ve gotta rebuild, better Free Agents next year
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 10, 2012 6:25 AM MST up reply actions
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did they mention if it will stream?
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I listened to it on 850koa.com
And it didn’t even make me listen to commercials, just annoying music!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Jan 10, 2012 8:06 AM MST up reply actions
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No comment.
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I'll just leave this
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Looks like Tiggers about to overpay for a 30 something who just had a career year
I like Matt Garza and all, but if they give up more than one of their three elite prospects, they’re crazy.
On the other hand, Detroit’s rotation is going to be nasty. Red Sox and Yankees might be the fifth and sixth best teams in AL next year.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 9, 2012 7:06 PM MST reply actions
I hope Garza don't go to the AL.
I was going to draft him again this year in fantasy. :((
40 today, 39 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Plus, its 12 days from my going to Las Vegas to bowl in a professional tournament.
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Huh ... Garza's only 28
Well, then I like it a little better for Tigers. Seems like he’s much older, doesn’t it?
by BostonTransplant on Jan 9, 2012 7:22 PM MST up reply actions
yes it does.
Garza——Rockies. I like.
Garza——AL team. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
team him up with Scherzer and Verlander. Look out.
At least they are willing to spend the prospects unlike some base ball team in Denver is willing to do.
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And Fister. In that division, they could win 105.
But they’re talking about giving up the equivalent of a Bettis (Jacob Turner) and an almost-Arenado (NIck Castellanos). That’s a ton. There is something thrilling about a team going for the gold like that, though. But I don’t think we’re quite at that stage.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 9, 2012 7:37 PM MST up reply actions
Turner's closer to Pomeranz, maybe even better
I also remember hearing rumors earlier that Drew Smyly could be headed to Chicago as well, and his stats look remarkably similar to Bettis’
Not even close
Turner’s a 20 year old who was drafted top ten by a high profile team out of high school, and looks the part (he’s huge). Major hype-age. But his minor league numbers are only good, not great, with a worrisome inability to miss minor league bats (his K rates are only middling). If I were trading for him, the fact that the Tigers, in search of some fill-in starts last year, picked him despite him being only 20, is also a red flag. I suspect the Tigers think less of him than they’re letting on. Obviously he’s only 20 and talented, but he’s not a sure thing by any means.
Pomeranz gets consistently under-appreciated by some on PR (not you, necessarily). His MiLB number are out of this world, and he’s more or less universally regarded as top 5 pitching prospect in baseball.
by BostonTransplant on Jan 9, 2012 8:34 PM MST up reply actions
You mentioned it yourself
Turner is 2 years younger yet putting up only slightly worse numbers than Pomeranz, and that two-year gap is huge when you’re talking about prospects. He also posted a much stronger BB rate, which is also quite important in evaluating prospects, than Pomeranz.
Also, I don’t understand how Turner being picked for a few spot starts last year is any indication of them thinking “less of him”. If anything, it strikes me as an expression of confidence; besides, the Tigers are notorious for rushing their pitching prospects (see Rick Porcello).
I also need to point out that Pomeranz is most certainly not “universally” regarded as a top 5 pitching prospect overall. He’s certainly up there, but Moore/Teheran/Miller/Bauer are all superior prospects by consensus, after which is a large group including Parker/Cole/Skaggs/Turner/Walker/Taillon of which both Pomeranz and Turner are part of, but not necessarily at the head of.
but there's a difference with moore and pomeranz:
(and possibly teheran) they’ll be in opening day MLB rotations, while those other names are in AA or AAA.
arenado: it's Rockie for future
I will swap Bettis and almost-Arenado for Garza, please.
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Answer:
#9
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That was going to be one of my first 10 guesses
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by Junction Rox on Jan 10, 2012 12:11 AM MST up reply actions
number 9
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by Junction Rox on Jan 10, 2012 12:18 AM MST up reply actions
According to DOD tonight, we are looking at:
C: Hernandez/Rosario
1B: Helton/Giambi
2B: DJLM
SS: Tulo
3B: Blake
CI: Pacheco
MI: Herrera (or Nelson)
LF: Cuddyer
CF: Fowler
RF: Cargo
OF: ???
Lineup:
1) Fowler
2) Blake?
3) Cargo
4) Tulo
5) Cuddyer
6) Helton
7) Hernandez
8) DJLM
If only Prado would be available…
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He's got LeMahieu penciled in to start at 2nd already?
I was under the impression that it would be a huge competition in ST with DJLM, Nelson, Pacheco, Herrera, etc all getting an equal chance to earn the job.
He said that on the show, specifically mentioning DJLM, Nelson, and Herrera.
But he also said that the plan was to give a young guy a chance and bring him along. I’m interpreting that more as a nod to DJLM than to the other two, who have already had their chances in some ways.
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Gotcha; makes sense
Thanks for recapping the show by the way
That's good news...
about Blake’s medicals checking out. He could be a solid placeholder for Arenado if healthy. Not so good news about 2N. Why do I think of Brent Butler every time I think of DJLM? And he’s sticking to Nelson and Herrera dreams…why not move past that?
by The Fanimal on Jan 9, 2012 8:23 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
I meant 2B....the iPad got me.
by The Fanimal on Jan 9, 2012 8:24 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
My impression is that it's DJLM's job to lose,
but that’s me reading into what he’s saying. I could be wrong.
Note that he also said, “Unless the right veteran comes along.” So, all three of them are really pushed aside if we get a trade done for a 2B.
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by Andrew Martin on Jan 9, 2012 9:06 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
nelson needs more freed
arenado: it's Rockie for future
Looks fine.
I think we can slot Blackmon into that 4th OF spot.
Not a HUGE fan of that lineup, specifically Blake hitting 2nd, but we could do much worse.
What does the rotation look like on OD, in your opinion? And bullpen.
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by CentralCaliRox on Jan 9, 2012 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
Very interested to see what the over/under on CO wins will b this season. I bought the over on 83 last year so you can imagine I was disappointed
Though I did win back almost everything thanks to betting the under on the Dodgers :)
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