Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: VIDEO: Veterans Share Favorite Sports Memories

Monday Rockpile: Rockies Watching Pomeranz and White's Innings

The meme off the 2011 offseason was "Acquire All The Young Arms", given that the Rockies traded half of the 2011 team away for seemingly their weight in cost-controlled pitching. As a result, the Rockies are going to have many young pitchers and Jamie Moyer competing for 5 rotation spots. Also bullpen spots. Also, to be the next callup from Colorado Springs.

It's always a little amusing to think about players fighting for the spots deeper in the depth charts, but the reality is that these guys have a good chance of seeing major league action this season.

Despite adding a likely 200IP in Jeremy Guthrie, the Rockies will still have question marks on where their innings are going to come from. Jorge De La Rosa won't be overworked, especially coming off of Tommy John Surgery, and as such is going to miss over 2 months' worth of starts. Jhoulys Chacin, fitness level aside, will have to overcome his 2nd half bout of wildness in 2011 if he wants to consume a top-of-the-rotation starter's worth of innings. For Chacin, it will really revolve around attacking hitters, a quality that made him stand out as a 16-year old trying out for the Rockies. Not purely in terms of walk numbers either, but also strikes thrown in general. Fewer deep counts will mean more pitches to throw to batters in the 7th.

Past those three, we've heard talk that the Rockies are going to have to be creative in managing Alex White and Drew Pomeranz' inning loads. This probably means just skipping starts, because we want them available later in the season if they're doing well and the Rockies are in a playoff hunt. Juan Nicasio seems to be a lock for the Rotation, but there's no guarantee that we'll be looking at the same level of performance from 2011.

Patrick Saunders suggests that the top 5 in the Rockies rotation look to be:

Jeremy Guthrie

Jhoulys Chacin

Drew Pomeranz

Juan Nicasio

Guillermo Moscoso

Alex White, Esmil Rogers, Tyler Chatwood, Jamie Moyer, and Josh Outman are also going to be competing for that "6th man" spot and the next available depth spot for the rotation. This is one of the best parts of having Colorado Springs just 90 minutes South of Denver, being able to call up depth on a near-whim. Should the Rockies get home to Denver and Drew Pomeranz is slated to start after making 5 straight starts, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Rockies give Tyler Chatwood or Josh Outman a call and Pomeranz the evening off.

Off Topic

Star-divide

New Rockies pitcher Jeremy Guthrie taking questions for Fan Mail | On the Rox — Colorado Rockies news — Denver Post

We've heard praises for Jeremy Guthrie and his high character and work ethic from a lot of Baltimore fans. Now it's our turn; you can email questions to the Denver Post to ask Guthrie, and we'll see what we can learn about our new pitcher.

So ask away. Send your Qs in an email to fanmail@denverpost.com. Please include your first name and where you are from. Questions will be accepted through Wednesday morning.

Who Faced Tougher Pitching: Tulo or Longoria? | FanGraphs Baseball
Matt Klaassen explores the differences in divisional foes faced in trying to determine who had the stronger opponents to face all season. Troy Tulowitzki edged Evan Longoria by 1 point of wRC+ by the final tally, but was his level of competition as hard to face as Longo's?

Comment 342 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Kevin Goldstein of BP Top 101 Prospects
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=16020

20 – Nolan Arenado

61 – Wilin Rosario

79 – Chad Bettis

97 – Tim Wheeler

Thoughts – consensus on Arenado as a top 25-type guy. Nice to see Rosario that high (I still have my hopes that he is better than the Olivo comp we see thrown around). Bettis getting some solid attention and Wheeler makes the cut.

Pretty good list – though there are some omissions in my book (Drew Hutchison and Nick Franklin come to mind).

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 7:35 AM MST reply actions  

Ooops ...

Left Pomeranz off the above … he came in at a cool #34.

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 7:36 AM MST up reply actions  

When was the last time the Rockies had 5 top 100 prospects?

not to mention that all five could/should finish the season on the team?

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 7:56 AM MST up reply actions  

It's not out of reach to think 8 of our top 10 PurPs will graduate to the big leagues this year..

I expect everyone but Parker and Matzek to make some kind of appearance with the Rockies this season.

Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." ~ Red Barber
PRMLB - Phillies

by Charlie77 on Feb 13, 2012 8:45 AM MST up reply actions  

I remember our system being pretty loaded in 2007, leading to an org of the year

honor from BA.

We had Tulo, Franklin Morales (very, very highly regarded at that point), Ubaldo, Fowler, Stewart, Iannetta, Greg Reynolds, Hirsh — I think all 8 of those guys received Top 100 consideration on various lists.

by steakman on Feb 13, 2012 12:27 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll never not be sad about stewart

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

All but Reynolds were on the 2007 list (So seven is the most we've ever hat to answer Tomcat's question)

That list…

Tulo – #24
Morales – #33
Fowler- #39
Hirsh – # 46
Iannatta – # 49
Ubaldo – #66
Stewart – #70

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 13, 2012 3:39 PM MST up reply actions  

CarGo was 31 on that list as well.

Doesn’t say anything about the Rockies system, I Just love me some CarGo. :)

MOYER IS OUR SAVIOR
@DylanZable

by CentralCaliRox on Feb 13, 2012 9:16 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I wouldn't put too much stock into this

as it’s only one way to measure the success of a farm system and doesn’t tell you exactly where the prospects rank (our top prospect ranks just 20th overall here for instance) but there’s certainly reason for excitment here.

Just for fun, I was still tempted to see where all the clubs ranked in this category though.

Clubs with 10 prospects in to the top 100 (1)

Padres
Interesting note though: Their highest ranked player (Yasmani Grandal) was only ranked 38th

Clubs with 9 or 8 prospects in to the top 100 (0)

Nobody

Clubs with 7 prospects in to the top 100 (1)

A’s

Clubs with 6 prospects in to the top 100 (1)

Pirates

Clubs with 5 prospects in to the top 100 (4)

Rockies (Fistpumpz!!!)
Cardinals
Blue Jays
Royals

Clubs with 4 prospects in to the top 100 (4)

Mariners
Rangers
Red Sox
Yankees

Clubs with 3 prospects in to the top 100 (8)

D’Backs
Astros
Cubs
Braves
Mets
Nationals
Twins
Orioles

Clubs with 2 prospects in to the top 100 (6)

Reds
Marlins
Phillies
Angels
Tigers
Rays

Clubs with just 1 prospect in to the top 100 (5)

Dodgers (HAHA)
Giants (HAHA)
Brewers
Indians
White Sox

Average number of top 100 prospects per team in each division….

AL West: 4.25
NL West: 4.00
AL East: 3.60
NL Central: 3.33
NL East: 2.60
AL Central: 2.40

A couple of other interesting notes…

Every team had a least one prospect in the top 100 although the Breweres and Dodgers cut it close with Zach Lee being highest rated for LA at #70 and Wily Peralta being highest rated for the Brewers at #92.

Not a single team in the NL East has more than 3 prospects in the top 100 but none have less than two either.

The NL West has by far the biggest gap in prospect talent from the best farm to the worst.

Most of the Rays immediate impact talent has graduated as after #1 prospect Matt Moore, they have only one other player in the top 100 at #65.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 13, 2012 3:36 PM MST up reply actions  

The thing I like about ours is that all 5 of ours is looking at a 2013 arrival on the outside

and that if they hadn’t been called up Chatwood, White, Nicasio and Blackmon would have had arguments at making an appearance. All that and that guys like Story, Herrera, Matzek, Cabrera and Anderson would easily make many teams top 5 prospects. Interesting that he would have ranked Soler would have been ranked #38(what has Soler done that Rosell Herrera hasn’t?)

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 3:45 PM MST up reply actions  

What might be helping the Padres here

is that a few of the guys on their list (Grandal, Kelly, Alonso) all spent time in other organizations, and were able to build big reputations there. Just thinking that I think there might be a tendency sometimes to begin to phase players out on this type of a list after you get a few players deep in the system, just because it’s natural to start thinking that the #7 guy in some organization must not be as good in some way as somebody else’s #1. In the case of the Padres they have traded for so many top prospects that were already getting attention with their old teams that it may help their list.

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener

by Junction Rox on Feb 13, 2012 4:06 PM MST up reply actions  

That...or ...

They actually made some pretty savvy trades to load their system over the past year and a half.

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 4:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't mean to put those guys down

I really like some of their trades, especially the Reds deal. Just kind of thinking that having a system where you’ve got guys who established reputations in a lot of different organizations might raise the profile of the system when it comes to a list like this.

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener

by Junction Rox on Feb 13, 2012 4:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Bundy over Miller and Bauer?

Yeah, no wonder I don’t read Goldstein or BP anymore. Sickels does a way better job of prospecting the Kids, imo.

by nt_eagle on Feb 13, 2012 7:59 AM MST up reply actions  

I like Sickels too ...

But you can find fault with any prospect “guru” and I am quite sure he has his reasonings that are … well … how to say it … ? … ummm … probably based on a bit more experience actually scouting and talking to scouts than yours.

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 8:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Pretty good balance between prospects close to the show and A Bal guys. I like it more than Law’s list, and really don’t mind Bundy that high.

Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Proud GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds!
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings

by Muzia on Feb 13, 2012 8:16 AM MST up reply actions  

you really think there's that much of a difference between #6 and #10 and #11?

i suppose i could see quivering with bundy over cole, but there’s so much high-end talent on this list, that the gap between those guys is basically a coin flip

Trolling the Offseason: Starring Jamie Moyer, Directed by Dan O'Dowd, with Executive Producers Dick and Charlie Monfort

PRMLB Arizona Diamondbacks GM

by papality on Feb 13, 2012 4:17 PM MST up reply actions  

damn

i meant quibble… oh well….

Trolling the Offseason: Starring Jamie Moyer, Directed by Dan O'Dowd, with Executive Producers Dick and Charlie Monfort

PRMLB Arizona Diamondbacks GM

by papality on Feb 13, 2012 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed if Seattle would trade us Franklin for Wheeler I would jump on that

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 8:05 AM MST up reply actions  

feeling a little clueless

I’ve seen this idea before, but who’s Franklin?

by Cody Meiden on Feb 13, 2012 8:21 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions  

a SS in the Seattle system who has been above average with his bat everywhere he has been

culminating in a .325/.359/.482 in 92PA in AA as a 20yo

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 8:27 AM MST up reply actions  

Nick Franklin, SS SEA

Had an amazing 2010, showing power & speed and pretty decent defense at SS – had a tough 2011 after struggling with mono and other injuries, but came back pretty strong late and in the AFL. Candidate to move to 2nd base, which is why I think TomCat would like to see him in a Rockies’ uni.

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 8:27 AM MST up reply actions  

we could use an upgrade at the SS position

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 8:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah ... those numbers are cherry-picked a bit though.

Last year hit .281/.352/.418 over two levels, but like I said, he was battling health all year. 2012 will tell a lot … personally doubt SEA would make that trade right now, and definitely not if he shows he can repeat his 2010 performance. FYI Law had him at #57 overall.

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 AM MST up reply actions  

No way seasttle makes the trade but a 20yo SS in AA

with a MiLB line of 286/.353/.460 with 31HR and 44SB over about 1000PA I would be all about as our 2B. He basically looks like Rickie Weeks, 90BB and 85 XBH in 1044PA isn’t bad for a LF let alone a SS.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 8:38 AM MST up reply actions  

arenado is seen as being closer to MLB, i think

also injury concerns limit rendon’s future power

Trolling the Offseason: Starring Jamie Moyer, Directed by Dan O'Dowd, with Executive Producers Dick and Charlie Monfort

PRMLB Arizona Diamondbacks GM

by papality on Feb 13, 2012 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Love me

some Arenado.

When there were rumors (may have not even reached Colorado) about the Pittsburgh moving Pedro to the Rockies, few guys said they wanted Arenado back. Crazy people.

by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Feb 13, 2012 6:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Wheeler makes an appearance….he has almost become the forgotten guy for us

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 7:37 AM MST reply actions  

Hitting 30+ HR as a CF in AA ought to at least get you a sniff of the top 100

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 7:57 AM MST up reply actions  

kinda what I thought

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 8:06 AM MST up reply actions  

20+ steals too

Trolling the Offseason: Starring Jamie Moyer, Directed by Dan O'Dowd, with Executive Producers Dick and Charlie Monfort

PRMLB Arizona Diamondbacks GM

by papality on Feb 13, 2012 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree with the comment about Chacin attacking hitters

But I think this applies to every one of the starters. Economzing pitches and getting deeper into games has to be an important goal for all of them. No matter how many arms you have under contract, you can only lean on the bullpen so hard before the season turns ugly.

by Northsider1964 on Feb 13, 2012 7:58 AM MST reply actions  

Agree we've got to get away from nibbling the corners so much and challenge the hitters more by constantly changing speeds in the zone.

Been hearing this all my life. " The art of hitting is timing; the art of pitching is disrupting timing."

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 8:21 AM MST up reply actions  

Anybody got Insider?

Keith Law released the Top 20 impact prospects for the 2012 season

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 8:18 AM MST reply actions  

Ask and ye shall receive ...
9. Drew Pomeranz, LHP | Top 100 rank — 45: In the abstract, I like Pomeranz’s three-pitch mix from the left side as a potential No. 2 starter. But he’s never been a ground ball guy, and while Colorado has a good defensive club, Coors Field can be unforgiving to fly ball pitchers, which may mean a major adjustment for Pomeranz that holds down his performance this year.

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 8:22 AM MST up reply actions  

The list ...

1) Matt Moore, LHP
2) Devin Mesoraco, C
3) Jesus Montero, DH/C
4) Jarrod Parker, RHP
5) Jacob Turner, RHP
6) Addison Reed, RHP
7) Mike Trout, CF
8) Arodys Vizcaino, RHP
9) Drew Pomeranz, LHP
10) Bryce Harper, RF
11) Trevor Bauer, RHP
12) Mike Montgomery, LHP
13) Matt Harvey, RHP
14) Brad Peacock, RHP
15) Yonder Alonso, 1B
16) Anthony Rizzo, 1B
17) Brett Jackson, CF
18) Casey Kelly, RHP
19) Julio Teheran, RHP
20) Heath Hembree, RHP

Other names to know for 2012: Shelby Miller, RHP, Cardinals; Taylor Green, 3B, Brewers; Joe Benson, OF, Twins; Tyler Thornburg, RHP, Brewers (reliever); Yasmani Grandal, C, Padres; Jeurys Familia, RHP, Mets (reliever).

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 8:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Interesting List. I hope 4 and 11 have a big impact…a negative one though he he he

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 8:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Parker is in Oakland now.

Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Proud GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds!
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings

by Muzia on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 AM MST up reply actions  

oh yea, duh, i hope he has an amazing year, better than cahill

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 8:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Rizzo is in Chicago now

Campaigning for more day baseball games since 2006

by djmbluemoon on Feb 13, 2012 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

ah thats right

thanks

PRMLB - Tampa Bay Rays

by purplesocks on Feb 13, 2012 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

That is no reason to stop hoping for a lack of success....

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener

by Junction Rox on Feb 13, 2012 1:29 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Well he's a cancer survivor

tough not to root for him now that’s he out of the division

by steakman on Feb 13, 2012 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Good point...

That can probably even override the happy Cubbie fan factor for me….

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener

by Junction Rox on Feb 13, 2012 1:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I know a Cub fan real well.

5 today, 4 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.

by Roxman4ever on Feb 13, 2012 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not. I love her very much.

It makes for an interesting 2 series’ though.

5 today, 4 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.

by Roxman4ever on Feb 13, 2012 2:08 PM MST up reply actions  

actually

I am guessing she is somewhere along one of the worst drives in America.

From Alanna

Bye guys. See you on TV from NJ! http://twitter.com/alannarizzo/status/169137401493590016/photo/1

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

And she confirms...
Alanna Rizzo @alannarizzo

Reply
Retweet
Favorite
· Open

Driving through Kansas will cure any insomniac’s issues. Zzzzzzzzz!

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener

by Junction Rox on Feb 13, 2012 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

The random huge church in Victoria is cool.

Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
"... One order of buffalo wings, please..." -Yokel, after July 30, 2011

by Yokel on Feb 13, 2012 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

HEY! That's not funny!

Well, I guess she is right.

5 today, 4 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.

by Roxman4ever on Feb 13, 2012 5:39 PM MST up reply actions  

thank you very much traindogger

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 8:26 AM MST up reply actions  

The bromide that will apply is work fast, throw strikes and change speeds.

Make the hitter stay in the box and don’t give them time for all their antics. Plunk somebody who tries not to let you get in a rythem. A little chin music can go a long way. Umpire management by the catcher being impatient helps.

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 8:35 AM MST up reply actions  

i like it when pitchers work fast and don’t allow hitters to get comfortable, but key is the pitcher has to feel comfortable

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 8:37 AM MST up reply actions  

Makes for a lot faster games.

Drysdale and Gibson would have you on your butt for digging in let alone spending five minutes adjusting your batting gloves

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 8:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Agree with that. But, you can work at your own pace and still attack hitters

Raffy is living proof of that. Nobody dinks around more between pitches – but once he comes set, he’s a freaking pit bull.

by Northsider1964 on Feb 13, 2012 8:53 AM MST up reply actions  

The human rain delay is the other side of the coin.

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 9:03 AM MST up reply actions  

If I recall

Esmil was good when he was fast.

Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
"... One order of buffalo wings, please..." -Yokel, after July 30, 2011

by Yokel on Feb 13, 2012 9:07 AM MST up reply actions  

You could ask his girl friends?

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 AM MST up reply actions  

According to their twitter feeds, the following Rockies have already reported to Scottsdale..

Guillermo Moscoso
Michael Cuddyer
Dex Fowler

Notice that two of them are new guys?

Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." ~ Red Barber
PRMLB - Phillies

by Charlie77 on Feb 13, 2012 8:31 AM MST reply actions  

Moscoso is on Twitter?

Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Proud GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds!
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings

by Muzia on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 AM MST up reply actions  

It's you know where you tell people what you're doin'.

Like right now, I’m reporting for Spring Training.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Feb 13, 2012 9:38 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

What position do you play?

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 9:39 AM MST up reply actions  

fan?

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Feb 13, 2012 9:46 AM MST up reply actions  

What's your cheers per inning ratio?

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

how are they calculating that?

seems a bit high for 2011

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Feb 13, 2012 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, what’s the Sunday split on that?

Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Proud GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds!
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings

by Muzia on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

3.2 for AAAA line up

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

How is that Calculated

And what is the weight for out of state fans?

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 10:01 AM MST up reply actions  

It's weighted to include a bonus

for especially good performances of “Hey Baby.”

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 10:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Wave participation

nullifies any right to cheer.

Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Feb 13, 2012 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

So a negative ChAR?

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Feb 13, 2012 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Worse. You don't even get have a ChAR EVER

Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Feb 13, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

so if charmander

did the wave would he just be mander?

Resident Lesbian Bunblogger - PurpleRow
Proud Member of the PR gynocracy.

Video tips on posting links and images to Purple Row - Click Here -

My Photography on Facebook

by hotdoglady on Feb 13, 2012 12:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Pokemon, Maria, really?

"No Mission Too Difficult, No Sacrifice Too Great—Duty First" - 1st Infantry Division Motto

SB Nation Denver - The regional hub for Denver sports!
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!

by Russ Oates on Feb 13, 2012 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

My Pokemon brings all the nerds to the yard

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 12:50 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

A wild Russ appears

It uses shame.

It isn’t very effective.

Resident Lesbian Bunblogger - PurpleRow
Proud Member of the PR gynocracy.

Video tips on posting links and images to Purple Row - Click Here -

My Photography on Facebook

by hotdoglady on Feb 13, 2012 12:51 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Would you prefer

that I make some Pokemon reference that shows that I still get the latest version of the game when it comes out?

"No Mission Too Difficult, No Sacrifice Too Great—Duty First" - 1st Infantry Division Motto

SB Nation Denver - The regional hub for Denver sports!
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!

by Russ Oates on Feb 13, 2012 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Try again.

"No Mission Too Difficult, No Sacrifice Too Great—Duty First" - 1st Infantry Division Motto

SB Nation Denver - The regional hub for Denver sports!
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!

by Russ Oates on Feb 13, 2012 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

You're lucky my photoshop isn't working.

Or I would be wasting my birthday away on making silly jpg’s. OK maybe I’m the lucky one.

Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." ~ Red Barber
PRMLB - Phillies

by Charlie77 on Feb 13, 2012 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Happy Birthday

Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Feb 13, 2012 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks..

I’m trying to decide if I should get myself a subscription to SI or ESPN the Magazine with Insider access. I just hate paying for the internet.

Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." ~ Red Barber
PRMLB - Phillies

by Charlie77 on Feb 13, 2012 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I like the ESPiN insider access stuff

and the price isn’t too bad.

Downside: They force feed you a subscription to ESPiN the “Magazine” (aka picture book) when you get the insider access. Of course, I also consider SI a fairly terrible magazine, and I’m not even aware of any added web content that you get with that one.

So, in short, I’d probably go with something like Baseball America….

Oh, and Happy Birthday!!

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener

by Junction Rox on Feb 13, 2012 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

Baseball America might be a good idea, I'll check that one out..

I’m also looking at new cameras, trying to decide between a Canon Sx40 and the Sony HX100v.

I like the zoom of the Canon, but the 30 second exposure on the Sony is pretty cool. Does anyone have experience with these two?

Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." ~ Red Barber
PRMLB - Phillies

by Charlie77 on Feb 13, 2012 3:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Sounds like she is a very talented ChARwoman...

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener

by Junction Rox on Feb 13, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

I have a lot of ChARacter!

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Feb 13, 2012 2:51 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

WinChar!

Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Feb 13, 2012 2:54 PM MST up reply actions  

We all have our slumps! :-

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 9:56 AM MST up reply actions  

I was there 2 weeks ago. Its awesome

5 today, 4 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.

by Roxman4ever on Feb 13, 2012 9:51 AM MST up reply actions  

That's one of those landmarks that I always took for granted

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 10:02 AM MST up reply actions  

Took for granted from the perspective

That I’d still be living in that area so I would have plenty of time to go really see it.

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

twitter looks different to me today, they change it over the weekend?

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 8:35 AM MST up reply actions  

The end of last week.

Not a fan of the new layout.

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 8:37 AM MST up reply actions  

me either

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

They recently changed the timeline..

it’s smaller and harder to read for some people. But if you click on the Connect button it shows when people followed you, after which tweets, and who has mentioned and retweeted you. It’s a nice addition.

Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." ~ Red Barber
PRMLB - Phillies

by Charlie77 on Feb 13, 2012 8:37 AM MST up reply actions  

there use to be a bold line between the new and the old tweets, after you would click the new tweets, it bothers me that its not there anymore

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Alanna Rizzo favorited one of my tweets!! She really does like me!!!!

Peter Tago also favorited a different tweet, so that’s pretty cool.

Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." ~ Red Barber
PRMLB - Phillies

by Charlie77 on Feb 13, 2012 9:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Thank you sir.

Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Proud GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds!
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings

by Muzia on Feb 13, 2012 8:36 AM MST up reply actions  

DJ LeMahieu is also on Twitter..

But his last tweet says:


Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." ~ Red Barber
PRMLB - Phillies

by Charlie77 on Feb 13, 2012 8:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Hope he makes a better effort with his glove and bat!

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Apparently he’s never been on PR….

Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Proud GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds!
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings

by Muzia on Feb 13, 2012 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

so disabuse him

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

So the change ...

…is that he will stop making even a terrible effort?

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Do you think Twitter can be an indicator of a player?

Like Ian Stewart. Last year I began following Josh Rutledge and reading how hard he was working in the spring. That example translated into success on the field.

Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." ~ Red Barber
PRMLB - Phillies

by Charlie77 on Feb 13, 2012 9:02 AM MST up reply actions  

SBN is getting glitchy again..

must have SDcat disease

Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." ~ Red Barber
PRMLB - Phillies

by Charlie77 on Feb 13, 2012 8:38 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm getting script errors every time I click on anything.

I’ve upgraded my java, checked my internet settings and restarted by browser, but still the errors come.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Feb 13, 2012 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

I spilled coffee on

the SBN servers today.

"No Mission Too Difficult, No Sacrifice Too Great—Duty First" - 1st Infantry Division Motto

SB Nation Denver - The regional hub for Denver sports!
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!

by Russ Oates on Feb 13, 2012 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Dammit Russ!

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Feb 13, 2012 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Right on Que, from Moscoso
Buenos dias to everyone!!! Today’s my first day training with the #Rockies! Un nuevo reto!

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 8:44 AM MST up reply actions  

i believe the last part means a new challenge, not sure though

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 8:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Si

translation of RETO desafío : challenge , dare

by 3nS on Feb 13, 2012 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

So if Saunders is right about the OD rotation

then we could be looking at White, Friedrich, Chatwood, Scahill, Gardner as our AAA rotation.

Two 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder, a 3rd rounder, and an 8th rounder. Three former Top 100 prospects.

…I may have to see some Sky Sox games this year…

Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Proud GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds!
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings

by Muzia on Feb 13, 2012 8:42 AM MST reply actions  

If those are going to be the guys pitching at AAA

that new humidor better get installed as soon as possible.

by Shoemaker on Feb 13, 2012 8:44 AM MST up reply actions  

we'll see some shiny xFIPs, in any case

Trolling the Offseason: Starring Jamie Moyer, Directed by Dan O'Dowd, with Executive Producers Dick and Charlie Monfort

PRMLB Arizona Diamondbacks GM

by papality on Feb 13, 2012 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

I like Tulsa's team also

thinking I’ll have to see some games when they come to Springfield.

by 3nS on Feb 13, 2012 9:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Houston, Cabrera, Bettis, Frazier? Yeah, that’s pretty solid.

While we’re at it: Matzek, Campos, Slaats, Anderson is a pretty good Modesto rotation as well.

Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Proud GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds!
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings

by Muzia on Feb 13, 2012 9:13 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm looking forward to Modesto's hitters:

Parker, Ortega, Laurent, Dickerson, theBrett Tanos

Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." ~ Red Barber
PRMLB - Phillies

by Charlie77 on Feb 13, 2012 9:16 AM MST up reply actions  

You think Anderson starts in Modesto?

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

He’s a pretty advanced college pitcher. I can see him getting the Jeff Francis treatment. Alternatively, he could get a few starts in Asheville before being promoted quickly to Modesto.

Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Proud GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds!
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings

by Muzia on Feb 13, 2012 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

I think Modesto seems likely

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

This gave me a chance to look up Francis’ minor league numbers again. <3 <3 <3

Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Proud GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds!
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings

by Muzia on Feb 13, 2012 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Gad Francis was a MiLB killer

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 9:27 AM MST up reply actions  

If he pitches well

I think there is a chance he makes it all the way to the majors by the end of the year, like Pomeranz did.

by mkorpal on Feb 13, 2012 9:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Skysox game

If you do decide to head down to these parts hit me up on facebook. I live about 3 blocks from the stadium.

by RockiesRick! on Feb 13, 2012 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Scary chart

for anyone hoping that the Cuddyer deal is a good one:

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2012/02/10/aging-with-chart/

Chart & article argue that baseball execs underestimate the aging effect, with late 20s or even earlier being true peak performance years, and drastic decline after age 32. That’s probably even more true in the post-’roids era.

by maris61 on Feb 13, 2012 9:00 AM MST reply actions  

I think this stuff is overblown

yes on the whole player’s who debut early have the highest WAR totals early, but look at guys like Bichette, Ibanez, Abreu guys in that second tier who took a while to get established they were just as valuable if not moreso in their 34-37 range as they were in their 30-34 range but rarely put up a 7+ WAR season

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 9:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Obviously guys like Arod-KGJ-Heyward who are 20yo rookies are freaky talents

and will therefor have the highest peak WAR, ditto elit college bats like Tulo, Longo, Braun, Pujols, Bonds, or Zimmerman. With the Cuddy contract we aren’t asking him to to turn in multiple 5+ WAR seasons, we need him to be able to play a legit RF/1B from age 33-35 while hitting around 115-120 OPS+ which I think is pretty likely what we will get.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 9:16 AM MST up reply actions  

A broad, all-players chart like that does have its limits

Charts showing performance declines by position would probably be more meaningful.

Aging DH’s or 1B’s probably decline less than others, because the areas where decline hits the most (footspeed, arm strength, endurance) are less important to those positions. But those areas are still important: endurance being Helton’s biggest problem in recent years.

Aging SS’s (Jeter, Rollins) and CF’s are another story.

Pitchers are unique creatures: decline in velocity can be offset by new pitches or developing mastery over “learning how to pitch” in their 30s. Maddux and Moyer, for ex.

It would take studies showing declines by position type and offensive/defensive splits to achieve full legitimacy, but I thought this chart & accompanying arguments were interesting.

by maris61 on Feb 13, 2012 9:29 AM MST up reply actions  

exactly probabilities only work within similar populations

Mark Zuckerberg will skew the crap out of Harvard’s 2006 ungrad career earnings, showing that on average almost all of them became multi millionaires by the age of 30. Having Albert Pujols post 7 8+WAR seasons between age 21-29 will skew the crap out of the numbers. However someone is willing to pay 264 million for Pujol’s age 32-42 seasons which cannot match his 21-31 seasons but still may be more valuable than 95% of 1B’s 21-31 seasons.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

This chart is different than some of the ones I've seen

that just show average WAR by age. I think different players definitely age differently as maris61 says, although I’d group them by peak performance rather than position. A guy who is an average shortstop in his prime will have a different career path than a guy like Tulo or Ripken or Jeter. What I’d do is group players by peak WAR in any season, with increments of 2 (0-2, 2-4, 4-6, 6+). Then plot WAR by season for each group, with three curves: 25th, 50th, and 75th percentiles. This would give a lot more information about aging in my opinion.

by RoxnSox09 on Feb 13, 2012 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I would group players by first year they lost Rookie eligibility

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 2:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I haven't read the article yet ...

But there are quite a few in the industry who believe that the age decline will begin earlier (and peak will also be earlier) as Pos seems to state – one of the main reasons is the reduction of the use of PED’s, but many argue that amphetamines are as responsible (if not more so) than ’roids and HGH.

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

since these charts seem to be pretty consistant over the decades

it seems more likely that your physical conditioning line which begins high around twenty and declines(slower for some than others) and your approach line which begins low cross around 2-4 years in to your career. If you are an elite talent who makes MLB in your late teens or early twenties your peak will be younger and higher. Since most prospects make the show later their peak will be later, and while these types are likely to have a lower peak the way they made the show(more approach less physical skill) means they will also decline slower.

If you take a Michael Cuddyer his best season by WAR was 2011 but it was essentially the same as 2006, 2007, 2009 with he doesn’t so much have a peak as a having four very good years(25-30 RAR) sandwiched around two below average ones.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Thius is a good read...

Highly recommened. I love this:

*It seems to me that if we can have laws in America demanding that people wear seat belts for their own safety, we should also have laws that prevent Eric Wedge from moving Figgins into the leadoff spot. The last two years Figgins is hitting .239/.309/.285 … and those numbers are getting progressively worse, because that’s how age works. Last year he OB’d .241 in more than 300 plate appearances. Fans should be allowed to invoke some law that prevents their managers from doing something this insane.

We could call it “Tracy’s Law” …

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

While I'm not thrilled about the figures in the Cuddyer deal,

I fail to see how that chart has anything to do with him since it’s measuring the number of 6.0 + rWar seasons and Cuddyer has never had a season of rWAR above 3.0.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 13, 2012 1:58 PM MST up reply actions  

This is a valid point ...

As the feature focuses on peaks for exceptional players/seasons …

Still, the aging curve for these players is not all that different from aging curves for all ballplayers – see the Revisiting Sample Choice section in this terrific article:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9933

Here, the author focuses on skill rather than overall WAR … and finds that most skills peak around 29-30.

i think it is safe to say Cuddyer is past his peak, although there are certainly exceptions.

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

All of this makes me hope that the Rockies can really put it all together in 2013 or 2014.

If this current rebuilding doesn’t lead to a division championship caliber team, it will have been a waste as I think it’s going to be hard for the Rockies to get two guys like Tulo and Cargo at the same time again.

by RoxnSox09 on Feb 13, 2012 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

This I agree with

If Cuddyer can stay healthy and provide production somewhat close to the numbers he’s put up at the plate for the majority of the last six seasons, it’s not a terrible deal for the Rockies. That’s still a decent sized if in my mind though, and unfortunately I see no realistic scenario short of the Rockies winning the World Series and Cuddyer being a big part of that run where this ends up being a bargin on the Rockies side.

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 13, 2012 2:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Its almost here!

Pitchers and catchers report in 5 (yes) 5 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m so ready for baseball.

5 today, 4 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.

by Roxman4ever on Feb 13, 2012 9:18 AM MST reply actions  

Mariners started ST today, since they open early in Japan

That almost counts for the beginning of “Major League” ST, assuming the Mariners qualify for that status this year.

by maris61 on Feb 13, 2012 9:31 AM MST up reply actions  

That is them. Like you said. If they qualify

5 today, 4 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.

by Roxman4ever on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

i think between montero, felix, and ichiro

and the rest of that gaggle of idiots, it’s awfully borderline

Trolling the Offseason: Starring Jamie Moyer, Directed by Dan O'Dowd, with Executive Producers Dick and Charlie Monfort

PRMLB Arizona Diamondbacks GM

by papality on Feb 13, 2012 4:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Let the Spring Training BS Begin, courtesy of Kevin Kernan of NY Post
Talked to a new buffed up Phil Hughes he just threw BP #YankEes

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 9:18 AM MST reply actions  

I read that as Balked.

Looks for Bob Davidson or Joe West

5 today, 4 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.

by Roxman4ever on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Phil Hughes buffet

It's my blog!

PRMLB - The San Francisco Giants are better than you

by biondino on Feb 13, 2012 11:18 AM MST up reply actions  

I read that as "Phil Hughes threw up"

"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 13, 2012 9:29 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

2012 odds

Odds that:

Tulo and/or CarGo are in the conversation for MVP — 3:1

Fowler finally has a breakout year — 6:1

Cuddyer proves he’s worth the money — 8:1

Pomeranz outpitches Ubaldo — 10:1

The Rockies rotation produces 1,000+ innings — 15:1

Rafael Betancourt induces multiple heart attacks as the new closer — 4:1

Dinger embarrasses everyone by trying to distract opposing pitchers — EVEN

Jim Tracy gets canned — 12:1

Dan O’Dowd gets canned — 100:1

Root sports gets rid of Toyota Talk — 900:1

Rockies win the division — 18:1

Rockies make the playoffs — 17:1

Rockies win the World Series — 30:1

Rockies finish in last place — 14:1

Rockies win 100+ games — 30:1

I catch a foul ball — 75:1

I eat some Famous Dave’s chocolate covered bacon — EVEN

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 9:52 AM MST reply actions  

I thought the Rockies odds at the division were

5:1.
I would love to put 500 on the Toyota twit thing but it would be a waste of money.

5 today, 4 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.

by Roxman4ever on Feb 13, 2012 9:54 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I make the last entry as 2:5 odds

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

it's suprisingly tasty

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Feb 13, 2012 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Meaning 3:5 he eats them

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

What is your threshhold for Cuddyer?

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

he's making $10.5

so he needs 2 WAR to pay for himself, which he should be able to do, but i wouldn’t expect much more

Trolling the Offseason: Starring Jamie Moyer, Directed by Dan O'Dowd, with Executive Producers Dick and Charlie Monfort

PRMLB Arizona Diamondbacks GM

by papality on Feb 13, 2012 5:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I take the Fowler, Pom, and Tracy bets.

Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
"... One order of buffalo wings, please..." -Yokel, after July 30, 2011

by Yokel on Feb 13, 2012 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

TT!

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 11:18 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

It's a push

Dinger has been embarrassing us for years, whereas Twit Talk has only just begun to make us look like idiots to the rest of the baseball world.

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 11:20 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

1. under
2. under
3. push
4. over
5. way over
6. under. I love Raf.
7. under. Dinger embarrassment is a freaking lock
8. under, but I’m an optimist
9. under
10. over. Root being obnoxious is a fact of life.
11. under
12.under
13. under
14. over
15. over
16. depends on how many games you go to
17. Chocolate covered bacon? How have I never heard of this before?

by squalene203 on Feb 13, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Re: Chocolate covered bacon

You can get it at the Famous Dave’s stand in the pavilion, which IMO is one of the best concession values at Coors Field. Not necessarily traditional ballpark fare, but it’s good (not great) BBQ. And chocolate covered bacon is like $2 or $3 for 3 pieces, so it’s cheap and delicious.

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

I had deep fried bacon on a stick at the Minnesota state fair

But it’s not as good as the Hickory smoked bacon and sea salt chocolate bar I bought once.

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Chcolate covered bacon is good ...

…. had it as a fondue once.

But have you ever had bacon-covered bacon?

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Good question

I don’t want to throw out a random stat line (although I did throw out random completely made up odds) but I think 25 HRs, 85 RBI, and .350 OBP would be a good offensive benchmark. Also being able to start around 150 games and being a reliable 1B to spell Helton would be about right.

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 AM MST reply actions  

For Cuddyer I fully expect him to meet or beat all of those marks

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 AM MST up reply actions  

If he does

if he can get into the 30 HR, 100 RBI range, then I’d say he’s well worth the money.

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

if he is hitting 5th/6th with that many 350+ OBP ahead of him he should get around

100 RBI, 30 HR seems unlikely but 25 seems doable. I see a .295/.355/.460 line as being likely, or at least I am hoping it is.

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

That line

would make him worth the $10MM/yr. Smith was posting slightly better OPS, but not nearly as much offensive production or day-to-day consistency as Cuddyer is capable of. Especially considering he wasn’t playing half his games at Coors like Smith.

Smith 2011 .284/.347/.483.
Cuddyer 2011 .284/.346/.459

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Considering that Blackmon, Colvin, and Wheeler are likely to hit RHP realtively well

I like that we have a RH OF option available as well

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 11:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Good point

I know a lot of people weren’t high on the Cuddyer deal, but he could bring some real consistency in the middle of the lineup that we haven’t seen since before Garrett Atkins completely fell off a cliff. Frankly, for the money Cuddyer is getting, he needs to be that guy.

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 11:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Cespedes signs with Oakland?

What in the blue hell?

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 13, 2012 10:14 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

4 years, 36 mil, are you kidding me? What oakland?

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Well

thats a lot better than the 60 million figure we were hearing.

by mkorpal on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

I think the $60 million figure envisioned a 5-6 year deal.

Still, I am amazed he signed so quick (again, if true … seepost below).

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Crazy ... but smart on the A's part ...

As I doubt there is a no trade and if the gamble pays off, they will have a very valuable trade piece. However, I need a more reliable source than any of those Yahoo guys.

Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports reports that the A’s have signed Cuban outfielder Yoenis Cespedes.

Maybe this signifies some movement on relocating the team to San Jose? Having lived in Oakland I would be sad but if they can’t get a new ballpark downtown a move is probably for the best.

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

I do however, trust Susan Slusser - A's beat reporter.
@susanslusser: #Athletics about to sign Cespedes for for four years, $36 million.

Kudos to Brown though for breaking the story.

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

???

Not sure why you would say that. Network affiliation is independent of credibility. I think he is more credible than most reporters out there.

by mkorpal on Feb 13, 2012 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

I think they write their articles to be controversial ...

And based on the fact that they seem ill-supported I elect to not read them. I realize my bias may cause me to miss something valuable, but on balance I think I win out in the end by not wasting my time on their stuff.

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 10:24 AM MST up reply actions  

BUSTA was tweeting it as well

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

i think the A's win the bidding based on AAV ...

A 4-year deal allows Cespedes to hit FA again at age 30 … doubt he is in Oakland for the length of this deal. A’s outbid the Fish as they were rumored to be offering something near $30-35 Million for 6 years.

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Cespedes Crisp and Smith?

or does Smith become the 4th outfielder again?

by 3nS on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Cespedes starts in AAA Smith platoons with Gomes in LF

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

I had a feeling Miami was blowing smoke and wouldn't be the one to get him

But I definitely didn’t expect Oakland to be the one to land him either. I was guessing Washington.

Smack….shocker.

by Adam2011 on Feb 13, 2012 11:06 AM MST up reply actions  

this makes me quite sad

they might have been the last team I wanted to sign him.

"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 13, 2012 11:34 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Why?

Getting lost on a team likely headed for a couple of very insignificant seasons?

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 13, 2012 2:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Nope

playing in Oakland where we won’t get to see him (maybe next year)

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
Assistant GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds
JFK

by jrockies on Feb 13, 2012 5:46 PM MST up reply actions  

that's right, we get the AL West this year

SEA, LAA, and OAK at home, TEX in arlington, not bad

Trolling the Offseason: Starring Jamie Moyer, Directed by Dan O'Dowd, with Executive Producers Dick and Charlie Monfort

PRMLB Arizona Diamondbacks GM

by papality on Feb 13, 2012 5:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Ugh and Tigers in Detroit

Naturally we get to face Albert and Prince in the year they both move to the AL

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 13, 2012 6:09 PM MST up reply actions  

can't believe i missed that

that is going to be a nasty road trip, 3 at detroit, and then 6 in philly and texas

Trolling the Offseason: Starring Jamie Moyer, Directed by Dan O'Dowd, with Executive Producers Dick and Charlie Monfort

PRMLB Arizona Diamondbacks GM

by papality on Feb 13, 2012 6:16 PM MST up reply actions  

acquire ALL the outfielders!

weren’t they mentioned as the leading candidate for Manny Ramirez just yesterday or something?

by steakman on Feb 13, 2012 12:32 PM MST up reply actions  

yes

Trolling the Offseason: Starring Jamie Moyer, Directed by Dan O'Dowd, with Executive Producers Dick and Charlie Monfort

PRMLB Arizona Diamondbacks GM

by papality on Feb 13, 2012 5:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Yea, he just blew up all of the NL only fantasy league draft boards.

5 today, 4 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.

by Roxman4ever on Feb 13, 2012 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I wasn't a huge fan of Helmer

but that was pretty cold blooded on Root’s part.

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

I’m fine with the fact they wanted to go a different direction as its their business, but the fact he had worked for you for 7 years and you wait til the last possible minute to do it, therefore making it extremely hard to get a job covering baseball this year was like you said, cold blooded

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's pretty terrible.

Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
"... One order of buffalo wings, please..." -Yokel, after July 30, 2011

by Yokel on Feb 13, 2012 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree with this guy here.

TylerAvsFan wrote:How about getting rid of Toyota Talk instead? That is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever seen. I don’t care that Bob from Boulder “luvs the Rox!!” Please do away with this.

5 today, 4 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.

by Roxman4ever on Feb 13, 2012 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Shut up Bob!!!

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Bob's cell phone has now been revoked.

Audience participation does not make for a better broadcast. If you want a chance to participate, buy a ticket and go to the game.

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Even worse than audience participation text crawls

is showing endless crowd shots after every good play. NOBODY wants to see the crowd instead of a few more replays.

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

At least Bob

doesn’t have a cheezy smile and when he waves, we won’t hear that ding. We don’t need Bob….We have Raffy.

5 today, 4 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.

by Roxman4ever on Feb 13, 2012 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

And Raffy got extenze

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Feb 13, 2012 1:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Worst text I ever saw

went something like “I hate seeing the pitchers hit. Automatic out every time!” in a game against the Giants where Ubaldo got what turned out to be the game winning RBI.

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Bring Back the Blake Street Bombers...

Signed,

Bob

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Who Wants to Be A Millionaire

would disagree about the audience participation part

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
Assistant GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds
JFK

by jrockies on Feb 13, 2012 5:47 PM MST up reply actions  

You spelled exclamation wrong

so you have that down, but you used an apostrophe correctly, so it’s not very authentic.

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 1:18 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I have fat fingers and very little accountability!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets go Rox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Baseball, BBQ, Bourbon, Blackjack, Beer, (B)orse Racing

by WhiskeyDrinkingMan on Feb 13, 2012 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

a'post'ro'ph'e's'!'!"!"!!!"!"!''!'!''!'!!'"1""'"'""one'''Eleventyeleven

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 1:25 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

The fingers you have used to text,

Are too fat.

To obtain a special texting wand, please mash the keypad now.

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 13, 2012 3:26 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I love the Rox also I didn't write any of that.

5 today, 4 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.

by Roxman4ever on Feb 13, 2012 12:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Unrelated to the Rockpile topic...

does anyone else get the feeling that Fowler is about to have a stellar breakthrough year? Maybe even as a potential AS reserve?

Oh, now be honest, NL West rivals, warriors to warriors. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends."

by jasontheuncatchable on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 AM MST reply actions  

I think he'll have a good year.

AS reserve might be a little optimistic. Seems like there’s a bit of depth out there for that gig. He might be in the “last one in voting” against Victorino and his PR firms paid voters, though.

Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
"... One order of buffalo wings, please..." -Yokel, after July 30, 2011

by Yokel on Feb 13, 2012 10:42 AM MST up reply actions  

He would certainly need to start like he finished last year and need to steal more bases

the triple may be the most exciting play in baseball but they don’t get very many AS game votes

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

He has the worst starting move for basestealing I've see for a guy with his speed.

In-stride he looks like a gazelle, but during those first couple of steps he takes he looks like he’s slogging through quicksand.

Oh, now be honest, NL West rivals, warriors to warriors. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends."

by jasontheuncatchable on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Put him on the track

Make him take relay handoffs from EY2. His first steps will get much faster.

Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
"... One order of buffalo wings, please..." -Yokel, after July 30, 2011

by Yokel on Feb 13, 2012 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Agree 100%, but this has reportedly been a big focus for him this offseason

Carl Crawford had a similar issue when he first came up with the Rays. He was always so fast that his bad break toward 2nd didn’t matter. Then he got to the bigs, and it did matter. He hired a personal instructor who helped him a lot.

So I hope Dex can improve in this area too. He’ll probably never swipe bags like Crawford, but he at least needs to make himself more of a threat to go. BTW, I always find it curious that these things have to wait until the offseason. Is Glenhallen Hill too busy styling in the 1B coach’s box and yelling “back” to work with Dex on such an obvious flaw?

by Northsider1964 on Feb 13, 2012 11:11 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't think much of GH as a running instuctor or a base coach. I'm also wondering about his effectiveness as an outfield coach

"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana

by Oldfoagie on Feb 13, 2012 11:14 AM MST up reply actions  

But G Hill...

…might be the best 1B coach in the business. No one yells “back” they way GlenAllen yells it. He’s special.

Also, I don’t envision two liquored up father & son meth-heads charging the field to attack him.

Baseball, BBQ, Bourbon, Blackjack, Beer, (B)orse Racing

by WhiskeyDrinkingMan on Feb 13, 2012 2:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Rumor has it

this is exactly what he worked on during Camp Tulo this winter

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
Assistant GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds
JFK

by jrockies on Feb 13, 2012 5:49 PM MST up reply actions  

AS aside

if Fowler can start like he finished, and continue to be consistent throughout the season, the Rockies chances of contending for the division jump dramatically.

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Even that would be okay.

I understand the projections for Fowler, but it’s always fun to identify the “maybe he could do this…” candidate. Fowler is that guy for this team. He’s so much fun when he’s on. I attend probably 25-30+ games a year, and when Dex is dialed in, there’s a sound on his XBHs that just resonates. In the post-steroid era guys like Tulo and CarGo are a luxury, even a rarity. To win you need those speed guys and guys that may not have HR potential, but doubles potential. Nothing would make me happier than to see Fowler start churning out two-baggers consistently.

Oh, now be honest, NL West rivals, warriors to warriors. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends."

by jasontheuncatchable on Feb 13, 2012 10:46 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe churning out the triples.

It didn’t do much good last year, but when a team isn’t /2011’d, having a guy on 3rd has so many more scoring possibilities than “just” a double. That’s one of the reasons I love having Dex in the lineup.

(Speaking of, let’s see no contact plays this year, mmm’kay?)

Altar Boy in the Church of Santo Ubaldo
"...buffalo chicken is a fine anti-depressant, after all." -UZ
"... One order of buffalo wings, please..." -Yokel, after July 30, 2011

by Yokel on Feb 13, 2012 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

I like him in the Outfield

Him and Cargo can cover a lot of space limiting the weak spot of Cuddyer. When Rockies have the lead put in Blackmon defensively and you have an outfield with a lot of range.

by 3nS on Feb 13, 2012 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm cautiously optimistic here

1) He has the tools
2) He’s shown he can do if for short stretches – Most recently the second half of last season.
3) He’s still pretty young (25 now – 26 on Opening Day)
4) He may still have to potential to tap into some power. (Dex has never hit more than 6 HR’s in a season and has just 15 total in 1,613 career PA’s. Someone like Jacoby Ellsbury who had just 20 career HR’s in 1,510 PA’s before last season (when he hit 32 and would likely have been the AL MVP if the Red Sox didn’t succom to the greatest September collapse in the history of the sport) shows that a huge jump is still very possible here. While I wouldn’t expect a jump anything close to the one Ellsbury displayed last season, something in me still believes he has 15-20 HR power, especially with the extra muscle he put on this offseason.)

At the same time though…

1) He finished 2010 storng before taking a big step back at the start of 2011
2) He had a .361 BABIP after being called up last summer (While Fowler is the type of hitter I would expect a high BABIP from, that number will probably come down at least a little bit)

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 13, 2012 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Dex seems to have some numbers in his favor.

He hits a lot of line drives (over 21%) and he doesn’t swing at outside pitches (less than 24%; Tulo was around 27%). Looking at his splits, it looks like he hit fewer ground balls after coming back up while his K% was dropping. Also, that ridiculous BABIP was really driven by July. It was around .320 in August and September, something Fowler should be able to maintain. That’s all fairly similar to what happened in 2010 though, except that he was hitting way more grounders in 2010. Hopefully the new leg kick will continue to help him drive the ball.

by RoxnSox09 on Feb 13, 2012 2:54 PM MST up reply actions  

They would have if you had done the same thing in 08

Holliday, Tulo, Cook, Francis, Hawpe, Atkins, Barmes, Iannetta, Fowler, Smith, Stewart things looked really bright in 08

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 13, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions  

By their nature these evaluations are a snapshot in time.

I would hope if you include from 2005-2015, you will see the Rox atop the list, as you get Tulo’s production plus the Next Wave™.

by Traindogger on Feb 13, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

FTFY

you will see the Rox Royals atop the list

Trolling the Offseason: Starring Jamie Moyer, Directed by Dan O'Dowd, with Executive Producers Dick and Charlie Monfort

PRMLB Arizona Diamondbacks GM

by papality on Feb 13, 2012 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Guthrie Dunking

http://www.whosay.com/jeremyguthrie/videos/129801

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 2:09 PM MST reply actions  

I really like this guy. Hopefully he’s as awesome a pitcher as he is a person.

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Shockingly...

…I read it as Guthrie Drunking.

Baseball, BBQ, Bourbon, Blackjack, Beer, (B)orse Racing

by WhiskeyDrinkingMan on Feb 13, 2012 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I did too...

but that’s probably because I’m drinking…

Cooler than a polar bear's toenails...
Metrosexual: It's like being gay, but not being into guys.

by The jDub on Feb 13, 2012 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally read that as the Nuggets sure could use him

Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Feb 13, 2012 2:26 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally read that as

god dammit I think I just started another meme

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally read that as Give me me some attention

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Depends on what you mean by me me

Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Feb 13, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally read that as Xhibit will pimp my ride

Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Feb 13, 2012 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally read that as

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I think this news will impact

your cHaracterAR

Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Feb 13, 2012 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally read this as Harhar

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally read that as you cried at the museums penguin exhibit

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 2:59 PM MST up reply actions  

We put some depends in your Depends

so you can depend while you depend.

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 13, 2012 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

thanks, but that all depends . . .

on the size of the depends!

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Feb 13, 2012 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally read that as

We killed the server

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

No, that was Russ.

He spilled coffee on it.

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Feb 13, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Stop the memesanity!!!

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

ok but you started it

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Feb 13, 2012 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I didn't meme to.

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 3:13 PM MST up reply actions  

depends on the size of the bat?

Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Feb 13, 2012 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

depends on what you mean by start

Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Feb 13, 2012 2:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Depends on what you mean by I totally read that as.

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

truth

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Feb 13, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally didn't read any of that...

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener

by Junction Rox on Feb 13, 2012 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

Thats LINsane

actually looks eerily similair to Jeremy Lin against the Wizards

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 13, 2012 2:34 PM MST up reply actions  

What Jeremy Lin should have Tweeted back to Jason Whitlock:

“Well at least I can see mine without using a mirror, lardass.”

by Northsider1964 on Feb 13, 2012 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

I am happy to say I broke my need to click on anything Whitlock related a while ago.

Definitely attended the “if you can’t say something unique, say something controversial” school of journalism.

Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.

by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 13, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Man I could write a book

Of journalists who went to that school. The worst of them created a Masters Degree for that school in “if you can’t say something unique, say somehting controversial; then say it over and over again”. That mans name is Collin Cowherd.

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Ugh

Colin Cowherd makes my head asplode.

Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." ~ Red Barber
PRMLB - Phillies

by Charlie77 on Feb 13, 2012 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

He annoys me to no end.

Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Feb 13, 2012 3:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally agree

Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Feb 13, 2012 3:35 PM MST up reply actions  

What’s a “school of journalism”?

Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Proud GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds!
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings

by Muzia on Feb 13, 2012 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

That's the old school of journalism

not to be confused with the place where Rodney Dangerfield tried to get his degree as an adult

We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!

In line for seats at the Grand Junction Rockies 2012 home opener

by Junction Rox on Feb 13, 2012 3:26 PM MST up reply actions  

It's a place you go, to get a an outdated degree..

that’s only accepted by MLB and required to get into the press box. Since there’s not a bloggers box, at least not outside your mom’s basement.

Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." ~ Red Barber
PRMLB - Phillies

by Charlie77 on Feb 13, 2012 3:33 PM MST up reply actions  

English-lit classes are going to suck for the next few years.

As these former journalists work out their frustration on America’s youth.

Colorado Rockies Players on Twitter

"Baseball is dull only to dull minds." ~ Red Barber
PRMLB - Phillies

by Charlie77 on Feb 13, 2012 3:46 PM MST up reply actions  

You mean,

students don’t like reading Derrida?

"No Mission Too Difficult, No Sacrifice Too Great—Duty First" - 1st Infantry Division Motto

SB Nation Denver - The regional hub for Denver sports!
Purple Row - Covering all your Rockies needs!

by Russ Oates on Feb 13, 2012 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

counterpoint: Me.

Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
Proud GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds!
SB Nation Denver | On Twitter | Random Music Writings

by Muzia on Feb 13, 2012 3:48 PM MST up reply actions  

This right here, is a beautiful thing. Just mute the one on the left.

"Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate"

Luftfeuchtigkeitsregler über alles.

by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 13, 2012 4:48 PM MST reply actions  

Oh I really hope the Marlins use that music with the home run thingy

Cause that would be rather tremendous

Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy

by SDcat09 on Feb 13, 2012 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

JFK's Quote of the Day:

“I’m always amazed when a pitcher becomes angry at a hitter for hitting a home run off him. When I strike out, I don’t get angry at the pitcher, I get angry at myself. I would think that if a pitcher threw up a home run ball, he should be angry at himself.”~ Willie Stargell The Sporting News (July 17, 1971)

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
Assistant GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds
JFK

by jrockies on Feb 13, 2012 5:29 PM MST reply actions  

yesterday's news, still LOL-worthy today

https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/status/168791411389497345

Trolling the Offseason: Starring Jamie Moyer, Directed by Dan O'Dowd, with Executive Producers Dick and Charlie Monfort

PRMLB Arizona Diamondbacks GM

by papality on Feb 13, 2012 5:57 PM MST reply actions  

he has fallen a long long way

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
Assistant GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds
JFK

by jrockies on Feb 13, 2012 6:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm glad I was never told this

"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." ~Tallulah Bankhead
"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
Assistant GM of the PRMLB Cincinnati Reds
JFK

by jrockies on Feb 13, 2012 10:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but Org Chart for the Rockies.

But, pretty sweet Organizational Chart of the Colorado Rockies organization from Daily dish.

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/2/6/2777775/colorado-rockies-contracts-rosters-salaries-depth-chart-exec-complete-org-chart-mlb-2012

It isn’t completely accurate. For instance Jorge has a player option for 2013 and a club option for 2014. EY is not a 3rd baseman. But still cool.

by Btbuff67 on Feb 13, 2012 11:43 PM MST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about the Colorado Rockies, established 28 April 2005.

Community Guidelines
RockiesRoster.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
A Memorial Day tribute to Purple Row

Recent FanPosts

Rockieshat1_small
JUCO Tournament 2012: Colorado Hosts Its 53rd World Series
Kheditorshot_small
Sitting down with Tulsa Drillers co-closer Coty Woods
2rr10yf_small
Death By Underachievement
N63804317_31527791_2216_small
The Cause of Our Hitting Woes
Kheditorshot_small
Sitting down with Tulsa Drillers first baseman Kiel Roling
Small
This is how the Rockies should look like
Img_1229_small
PRMLB May Thread
Goatee
Purple Row Pick 6
Small
xBABIP part 2

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Yahoo_full_count

Colorado Sports Blogs

Mile High Report (Denver Broncos)
Mile High Hockey (Colorado Avalanche)
Denver Stiffs (Denver Nuggets)
Burgundy Wave (Colorado Rapids)
The Ralphie Report (CU Buffaloes)
SB Nation Denver

Top 30 PuRPs

  1. Drew Pomeranz, LHP - AAA
  2. Nolan Arenado, 3B - AA
  3. Wilin Rosario, C - MLB
  4. Chad Bettis, RHP - AA DL
  5. Tyler Matzek, A (Adv)
  6. Alex White, MLB
  7. Kyle Parker, OF - A (Adv)
  8. Tim Wheeler, OF - AAA DL
  9. Josh Rutledge, SS - AA
  10. Charlie Blackmon, OF - AAA DL
  11. Rosell Herrera, SS/3B - A
  12. Trevor Story, SS/3B - A
  13. Edwar Cabrera, LHP - AA
  14. Tyler Anderson, LHP - A
  15. Rafael Ortega, OF - A (Adv)
  16. Peter Tago, RHP, unassigned
  17. Christian Friedrich, LHP - MLB
  18. Joe Gardner, RHP - AA
  19. Corey Dickerson, OF - A (Adv)
  20. Thomas Field, 2B - AAA
  21. Will Swanner, C - A
  22. Kent Matthes, OF - AA
  23. Albert Campos, RHP - released (4/19/12)
  24. Jordan Pacheco, C/UT - MLB
  25. Cristhian Adames, SS - A (Adv)
  26. Ben Paulsen, 1B - AA
  27. Josh Slaats, RHP - A (Adv)
  28. David Kandilas, CF - A
  29. Jayson Aquino, LHP - unassigned
  30. Hector Gomez, SS - DL
HM:
Edgmer Escalona, RHP - MLB
Dillon Thomas, OF - unassigned
Sam Mende, IF - A
Mike Zuanich, 1B - AA
Dan Houston, RHP - AA

updated 10/25/2011.


Managers

Rox_girl_small Rox Girl

35l7yvb_small Andrew Martin

Staff

Jeff_aberle_small Jeff Aberle

No_bunting_small Bryan Kilpatrick

Avatar2_small Andrew T. Fisher

Wittgenstein_small Greg Stanwood

Special Assistants to the GM

Rockies_lost_americana_small holly96

2rr10yf_small RhodeIslandRoxfan

Pic2_small CBake33

Image_small Rafael Rojas Cremonesi