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Wednesday Rockpile: Five Players That Set The Stage For An Unusually Interesting Spring Training

Juan Nicasio is making remarkable progress from a broken neck, suffered just six months ago.

By this time next week, we'll be hearing all about spring workouts and which of the myriad rotation candidates are in the best shape of their lives, etc. Normally, this is one of my least favorite times of the baseball calendar, because at this point there is little to be decided in spring and yet much is written about things that will have no bearing on the upcoming season. After all, in recent years the Rockies have gone into Spring Training with the roster pretty much set outside of a couple of reserves.

This year though, 60% of the Opening Day rotation, 3 bullpen slots, and 4 out of the 5 bench position slots are wide open. Plus, we'll get to see how top prospects like Nolan Arenado, Chad Bettis, and Tim Wheeler fare in big league camp. In other words, this spring I might actually be paying serious attention to the typical fluff pieces in the early going. After all, there are so many viable rotation candidates and the Rockies only have a few weeks to properly evaluate the talent. At the same time, fans will be evaluating the many new faces on the Rockies, identifying their own favorites for the rotation and spotting the future stars in camp.

Here are the 5 players that I'll be paying the most attention to during Spring Training:

1. Nolan Arenado

I think that this will be true for nearly every Rockies fan with a passing knowledge of the farm system. Up until now, the 20 year-old Arenado has spent his time out of the public eye down in single A. But after his fantastic 2011 season, in which he led all of the minor leagues in RBIs then won the AFL MVP award, Arenado has been made a consensus top 25 prospect in baseball. There's been talk of him getting a real shot at the Opening Day job at 3B despite his never playing above High A, so it will be very interesting to see how true that talk is.

David Schoenfield of ESPN's Sweetspot wrote about the poor state of 3B in MLB last year--and third happens to be Colorado's weakest position at the moment, so a breakout by Arenado would truly be a welcome sight.

2. Juan Nicasio

Quite frankly, Nicasio is neck and neck (too soon?) with Arenado for the best story in camp -- and he runs away with the most inspirational story. Just six months ago, there were questions about whether Nicasio would ever walk again, much less pitch at the major league level, but Nicasio's rapid progress has been miraculous. In fact, it's the most Disney story to happen to the Rockies since 2007, if not ever. La Violencia is favored to make the starting rotation, and I know a lot of fans that will be rooting for him to do so.

3. Drew Pomeranz

Of Colorado's back-end rotation candidates this year, none has a higher ceiling than Pomeranz. The 23 year-old southpaw was moderately impressive in his rookie cameo, showing that he was polished enough to pitch in the Show. Pomeranz is the most visible reminder to Colorado fans that Ubaldo Jimenez is no longer with the team, so fairly or not, he's got to shoulder the burden of replacing a star pitcher who might be the most beloved in team history. It's a tough task, and I'm not sure that Pomeranz will be up to it. I certainly hope that he is.

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4. Guillermo Moscoso

Was Moscoso's 2011 success (2.2 rWAR, 3.38 ERA) largely a function of the favorable pitching environment in Oakland? Probably, but Moscoso embodies Colorado's off-season in terms of pitching acquisitions. That is, the Rockies have acquired several pitchers with flyball tendencies -- and none are more extreme than Moscoso, whose GB rate last season was only 26.8%.

The Rockies have said that they were looking for pitchers that induce soft flyballs, and as such Jeff Zimmerman of FanGraphs has a pretty detailed look at Colorado's flyball pitcher acquisitions and how they measure up on the "soft flyball" spectrum. Moscoso rates out the best of these new flyball pitchers by this metric, though I'd really like to see if he can sustain success as a member of the Rockies.

5. Jamie Moyer

All jokes aside, it's amazing to me that this guy, whose best fastball might hit 85 mph, has lasted 26 years or so in the big leagues. Now I'll get to see up close the man, the myth, the Moyer. If he makes the rotation out of Spring Training instead of say, Pomeranz, he'll increase the average age of Rockies' starting pitchers from 26 to 31.

If nothing else, his presence will draw the national media to Colorado's camp this spring. Despite all of the young pitchers full of potential among the rotation candidates and my better judgment, I'll secretly be rooting for Moyer. I suspect that this will be the case for many Rockies fans.

Honorable Mention: Alex White, Chad Bettis, Tyler Chatwood, Charlie Blackmon, Tyler Colvin, Chris Nelson

Who are you most looking forward to watching this Spring, Rockies fans?

Additional Links

ESPN (Insider) unveiled the first installment of their MLB Future Power Rankings yesterday, revealing the bottom 10 teams five years down the road. The most weight was given to major league and minor league talent, with other considerations like management, finances, and roster flexibility also being considered.

The NL West was the only division not to place a team in the bottom 10 (both Central divisions had 3 teams on the list), so it's apparent that ESPN doesn't see a weak link in the West. Of course, we'll probably see 3-5 NL West teams in the middle 10 installment that is posted today. My prediction for the Rockies is number 13, 3rd in the division.

Finally, Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports has a stellar article about the hope that baseball brings to the Dominican Republic -- it's well worth five minutes of your time.

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I would really like to see Outman pitch. I’m curious if he is going to continue to try and pitch with a more traditional motion, or revert back to the Outman method.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 7:50 AM MST reply actions  

He will be in his traditional motion, you have to imagine he will do more of what he did last year

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by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 8:04 AM MST up reply actions  

I didn't watch him last year

So it will be new to me.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 8:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Something on Fangraphs for you

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/qa-josh-outman-a-biomechanical-quandary/

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by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 11:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks.

That was a good read. Doesn’t sound like he wouldn’t give his old delivery a try, but he is more focused on being successful. I hope that Dac encourages him to pitch in a way to help him become successful.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Many Many interesting stories heading into our Spring

3rd Base- Arenado and Blake- Can the kid keep growing and can the old guy keep going?
Closer- Can Raffy take it by the balls
Pitching- Can one of the 20 kids we’ve acquired in the past 7 months do anything?
Chacin/Guthrie- Stay healthy and be the mainstays?
CF- Can Fowler forget his hottie fiance and do what he did 2nd 1/2 last year?
RF- Can Cuddy Bear turn our locker room from a Best Western to a Hilton?
Stars- Can Tulo and Cargo stay healthy?
Homegrown Prospects- Arenado, Wheeler, Rosario, Bettis, Cabrera, Nelson. Can any of them do anything?
Coach- What can Tracy cook up in his labratory of matchupzzzzzzz?!

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by waterboy31321 on Feb 15, 2012 7:58 AM MST reply actions  

made me spit coffee
Closer- Can Raffy take it by the balls

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by hotdoglady on Feb 15, 2012 8:44 AM MST up reply actions  

or atleast keep his junk off of the post game

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Feb 15, 2012 9:33 AM MST up reply actions  

Ditto

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 8:04 AM MST up reply actions  

You had to say something

And I really need to shop the right hat on this one:

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 8:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Ian

Stewart, Chris Iannetta, Ubaldo Jimenez, Seth Smith, and Tim Wheeler

Enough of this mediocrity...win the NL West title!

by TripleT-Rox on Feb 15, 2012 8:06 AM MST reply actions  

:( I wish them all well

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 8:09 AM MST up reply actions  

One of these things is all alone.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 8:22 AM MST up reply actions  

I actually did a search to see if Wheeler had been traded when I wasn’t paying attention

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by Muzia on Feb 15, 2012 8:26 AM MST up reply actions  

this

I have been off the Row for a bit as my wrestling season wraps up and thought I missed something….

Headed to Scottsdale next week on wife’s business trip gonna scout out the Stick for our Spring break, spring training visit. Its getting closer!!!

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by El Paso Jeff on Feb 15, 2012 8:46 AM MST up reply actions  

if your gonna golf at talking sticks

Watch out, it was really really fast when I played a few weeks back.

by Jester76 on Feb 15, 2012 11:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Well,

They all will be playing for teams who reside in a city or state that starts with the letter “C” (Chicago, California, Cleveland, and Colorado)

Although baseball is full of teams suffering setbacks, it’s also full teams overcoming them. All I ask is for the Rockies to be defined by the latter category.

by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 15, 2012 8:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Wheeler, Arenando, Field...

I’m excited to see how the young guys do and how hard they knock on the door.

by attackparrot on Feb 15, 2012 8:14 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions  

Wheeler gonna wheel....

I got nuthin…

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 15, 2012 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Agree with list

But would add that I don’t think anyone on your honorable mention list is less important to the shape this club takes this year. I am secretly holding out hope that Chatwood blows us all away and makes that Iannetta trade look awesome. With Colvin and Nelson, they have a chance to show people who they can be, and White and Bettis are close to being good enough to make significant impact soon (if not ready right now). I have feverishly high expectations, like all baseball fans in the spring (tempered only by the tragic and heartwrenching realism brought on by being a Rox, Vikings, and Twins fan all my life). I think all these guys have a great chance to be a major part of this club, and I expect at least the top three to make big strides in that manner.

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by RoxnVikes on Feb 15, 2012 8:21 AM MST reply actions  

The more I dream on Chatwood and White the more excited I get to see what Dac can do with them

Jorge De La Rosa pre Colorado 274 innings 5.85 ERA 1.741 WHIP 6.2K/9 5.4BB/9 78 ERA+
in Colorado 495 innings 4.38ERA 1.362WHIP 8.8K/9 4.0BB/9 107ERA+ JDLR went from a
5.03 xFIP 40.8GB% 7.63K/9 in 06
4.96 xFIP 40.6GB% 5.68K/9 in 07 with KC to a
4.06 xFIP 45.7GB% 8.86K/9 in 08 in COL
3.71 xFIP 44.7GB% 9.39K/9 in 09
3.65 xFIP 52.7GB% 8.36K/9 in 10
Jason Hammel had a similar story
4.97 xFIP 40.9GB% 6.78K/9 in 07
4.82 xFIP 46.9GB% 5.68K/9 in 08 with TB to a
3.71 xFIP 46.2.GB% 6.78K/9 in 09 COL
3.70 xFIP 46.7GB% 7.14K/9 in 10

In both cases their BB/9 fell from day one I think Chatwood will surprise as will White and Outman

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by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't think February is the appropriate month to make that joke

"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides

by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

better whate until white history month...

Or, all year in any history class.

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by EmersonCR on Feb 15, 2012 11:02 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Alright but I don't want to bump T.H. White, Reggie White, Roy White, Whitey Ford

Whitey Herzog, Bill White, Devon White, Sol White, Frank White, Rondell White or Billy “White Shoes” Johnson too far down the list.

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by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 11:08 AM MST up reply actions  

This is a very interesting breakdown

I am still getting into SABR stuff, but that is a fine break down showing marked improvement for both those guys. Was Apodaca just less effective at reaching Francis/Cook or what happened with thier respective declines?

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by RoxnVikes on Feb 15, 2012 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

they were just injured. Francis did about all one could ever hope for given his stuff and the environment, then tore a labrum or whatever. Cook got injured and his control deteriorated somewhat and given his low k numbers, he really relied on the really low bb rate…

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by Resolution on Feb 15, 2012 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

exactly Cook's game relied on GB% and low BB%

Cook’s best two BB% years he finished with a sub 4 ERA, once his rate climbed above 3 BB/9 his era skyrocketed

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by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Thanks for the responses!

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by RoxnVikes on Feb 15, 2012 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

they were both above average pitchers before injury sunk both.

both had fringy velocity to begin with, and in Coors Field the fringy guys get punished with evil BABIP rates.

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by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 9:50 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm interested in the arms race too...

just find it more interesting following the positional player development. With pitchers, it always seems like a longer, more chaotic, development period, so I find it harder to get attached to them as prospects then their counterparts.
Agree though, would love to see one of Chatwood, Moscoso, or Outman develop into big contributors this year….

by attackparrot on Feb 15, 2012 8:56 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I'll Be Watching ...

I’ll be watching Arenado, Nicasio, Chacin, & Cuddyer … / Excellant article!!!

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by Cowboy33 on Feb 15, 2012 8:57 AM MST reply actions  

Yes, Cuddyer should be included in this

He was by far the biggest offseason acquisition and he’s only making roughly a Ramon Hernandez ($3.5MM) less than Tulo and Cargo combined this season.

Not only does he need to live up to his reputation as a team builder and a great clubhouse guy, but he needs to put up numbers that are consistent with someone who’s making $10.5MM/yr.

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

From my standpoint, he's already making the team, so his performance in spring is less interesting to me

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by Jeff Aberle on Feb 15, 2012 8:17 PM MST up reply actions  

It's only interesting to me

in as much as if he has a terrible spring, it could spell trouble for the regular season.

Rockies in October

by sasperilla_pete on Feb 16, 2012 7:41 AM MST up reply actions  

There is a real possibility the Rockies break camp with three of the Indians 1st round

picks from the last 10 years Guthrie, White and Pomeranz

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by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 9:11 AM MST reply actions  

As long as SOMEBODY's first-round picks pan out for the Rockies...

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by J_Stone on Feb 15, 2012 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

For all of you music junkies out there that respect my taste in music

Check out
The Less You Know, The Better By DJ Shadow.

Some really good stuff in there for anyone into indey music from rock inspired things to hip-hop inspired things.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 9:12 AM MST reply actions  

Grr, sorry, thought this was OT.

Spring training is hard.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 9:15 AM MST up reply actions  

DJ Shadow

is never OT in my book.

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by EmersonCR on Feb 15, 2012 11:04 AM MST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

DJ Shadow in Denver...

April 20 @ 1stBankCenter.

Just sayin’…

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Feb 15, 2012 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Unfortunately

I live in California

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by EmersonCR on Feb 15, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Unfortunately

I live in Iowa.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I retract my "unfortunately"

;)

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by EmersonCR on Feb 15, 2012 2:33 PM MST up reply actions  

burn!!

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by Resolution on Feb 15, 2012 2:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Totally

It sucks any time the Rockies play the Brewers, Cubs, White Sox, Twins, Royals, or Cardinals.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 2:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Sorry you two...

There’s Coachella for CA…and, well, there’s just Iowa for Iowa. He may add dates though, I do believe my friends saw him in KC during his last tour.

-C

It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?

by cthabeerman on Feb 15, 2012 3:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I'll keep an eye out for a Chicago or Minnesota tour date.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m really curious to see what Alex White can do – he probably has the highest ceiling of the pitching prospects sans Pomeranz. The way I see it, Nicasio is a good bet to rebound and if not regain complete form, be a strong pitcher who keeps the team in games, and Pomeranz seems like he should have a respectable rookie season and looks like he has a high enough floor where we’ll get something serviceable out of him if he doesn’t develop as expected.

But White? The guy was a first round pick with solid minor league numbers, but really only had one season there, then blew up for us and has become something of a forgotten man. If he can develop well, I really like a Chacin, Nicasio, Pomeranz, and White rotation (ignoring JDLR for now who we’ll have to wait on).

Also, Arenado!

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by Resolution on Feb 15, 2012 9:17 AM MST reply actions  

I really think White will bounce back

100 percent healthy now

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by TuloRocks on Feb 15, 2012 9:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Hoping so too

Even though White’s finger was probably healed during his 2011 stint with the Rockies, his mechanics where completely screwed up. If they can get that turned around, I think he can be a solid addition.

I’m still sad as hell that Ubaldo’s gone, but I want it to turn out to be a great deal for the Rockies. I hope all 4 pitchers involved in the trade do great things.

by Northsider1964 on Feb 15, 2012 9:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Somewhere, Matt McBride weeps.

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by Resolution on Feb 15, 2012 9:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Well if Matt Bush can do it!

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by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

That’s the thing though – we really have no idea what he’s supposed to ‘bounce back’ to. We have 100 AA innings in 2010 and then a bunch of statistical, small sample, injury-marred, being traded, rookie-adjustment noise in 2011. He’s really a wildcard that supposedly gets really good groundball numbers and has has displayed strong control in the minors…

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by Resolution on Feb 15, 2012 9:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Well the first step

is to bounce back to the point where he strides toward home plate and throws the ball like an MLB pitcher, not like a guy trying to knock down milk bottles at the county fair. That was painful to watch.

by Northsider1964 on Feb 15, 2012 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I believe he will

DAC’s visit to NC hopefully lifted his confidence and got him working early on some mechanical fixes.

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by TuloRocks on Feb 15, 2012 9:47 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree.

If what I read is accurate, he had an injury like Jorge’s a couple of years ago where he couldn’t grip the baseball probably

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 15, 2012 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

last season he tore a finger tendon (it’s why he had like 50 total innings in 2011), just like JDLR. So yea, he had difficulty with grip and stuff.

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by Resolution on Feb 15, 2012 10:07 AM MST up reply actions  

So your a little bi-curious?

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by waterboy31321 on Feb 15, 2012 9:34 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm really looking forward to seeing Arenado and Dex

I’m hoping Dex has a breakout year. Sets the table for the big guys

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by TuloRocks on Feb 15, 2012 9:32 AM MST reply actions  

I will be watching...

Wilin Rosario. The Rockies organization has had a lot of tantalizing prospects at catcher in their system that never worked out. Guys like

Jayhawk Owens: I am happy to see that he is having success as a minor league manager, but never got it done with the Rockies.

Ben Petrick: What might have been. I wish him the best.

JD Closser: A switch hitting catcher, I was so excited!!! Never mind.

Michael McKenry: Watch him this year with the Pirates, I gotta feelin’.

Chris Ianetta: Came closer than anyone else. Good luck Chris, I think he will do well.

Sal Fasano: Yes I know, he did not come up with the Rockies but still best facial hair on a catcher of all time.

There are others but none have really made it with the Rockies. I grew up playing catcher so I am partial to those who wear the “tools of ignorance” and I really want to see a “Rockies” catcher make a positive impact.

I am also excited to see what Pacheco can do. If he makes the team as a utility player it basically gives you another bat off the bench because you can pinch hit Rosario (assuming he is the backup catcher) because you can bring Pacheco in to catch in an emergency. He also can give Todd a day off without exposing us to the defensive stylings of Jason Giambi. He also would be able to spell Blake at third while still allowing Nolen Arenado time to develop in the minors. That and he is a New Mexico guy like me and so I am pulling for him anyway.

What if the hokey pokey is what it is all about after all????

by FlyAway on Feb 15, 2012 9:37 AM MST reply actions  

Pacheco as 3rd catcher is hugely appealing to me.

Rosario and Hernandez are likely to be much better than other bench options in tight/extra innings games where pinch hitters become key. I really hope Tracy uses them as such.

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by biondino on Feb 15, 2012 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Iannetta worked out fine he was worth an average of 3 WAR per 150 games played

he just never became the star they were hoping for.

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by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Iannetta caught the ‘strikeout a lot more than we thought contagion’. It also got Stewart and Fowler. So sad…

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by Resolution on Feb 15, 2012 9:46 AM MST up reply actions  

fair but 1 or 2 hitters like that in a lineup won't kill a team but 4 will murder a rally

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by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 9:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Hate to say it, but I'm not rooting for Moyer

I like the guy, and if he’s willing to be “on call” for the Rockies down in the Springs, that’s great. But if he’s a fixture in the Rockies 2012 rotation, I fear that will mean we’re battling the Friars just to stay out of last place.

by Northsider1964 on Feb 15, 2012 9:37 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

I get what you’re saying, though him starting the season in the rotation wouldn’t be the worst thing – you can make the argument that all the guys we’re really excited for need some more minor league experience (though Outman and Moscoso really look like they’d block Moyer if Pom, White, and Chatwood all start the season in the minors)…

"These are thin mints. I put them in the freezer. My favorites. So good."
--Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, on the girl scout cookies he keeps in his locker

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by Resolution on Feb 15, 2012 9:39 AM MST up reply actions  

I would agree with that

except I don’t know if any of these guys would really benefit from giving up bombs in Colorado Springs, or going all the way back to AA. Maybe the humidor will be in place soon and ease those concerns.

Anyway, I’m not anti-Moyer but I just don’t think it’s going to be a positive thing if he ends up throwing a lot of innings for the Rockies this year. I think that goes hand-in-hand with, “Young arms not ready, 2012 turns ugly.”

by Northsider1964 on Feb 15, 2012 9:46 AM MST up reply actions  

The real problem underlying all of this, is some pervasive fear on the org’s part to send players to AAA. I’m pretty disappointed that we didn’t install a humidor in CO Springs.

I’m against moving the ballpark to sea-level as I think it makes sense for the AAA environment to mimic Coors’ so that players can learn to play at altitude while not having to worry about making, adjusting, and sticking with an MLB team. As is however, CO Springs is definitely a mixed-bag for developmental opportunity and I think a humidor really would have made the park approximate Coors to the point where we can just send prospects there and not have to worry…

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by Resolution on Feb 15, 2012 9:51 AM MST up reply actions  

My prediction for the Rockies is number 13, 3rd in the division.

Is that your prediction for the list, or for where the Rockies will be five years from now? Either way, I think we can be pretty confident that the Rockies won’t be number 13 now that an Aberle prediction has been made.

by RoxnSox09 on Feb 15, 2012 9:39 AM MST reply actions  

I think we will be in a 4-5 way battle for division in 5 years

by then Cain and Lincecum may be gone but Bumgarner will be their ace, and Gary Brown/Belt/Posey/Panda are a pretty nice core. AZ will have a lot of pitching, SD will annoy their way into a division title at some point, and the Dodgers will be a 150+ million dollar payroll

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by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Am I the only one completely unimpressed with BUMgarner?

And Cain is definitely gone at that point.

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by TuloRocks on Feb 15, 2012 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Yes you are the only one unimpressed by a 21yo who pitched 204 innings with a 4.12 K/BB

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by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 9:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Crown him!

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by TuloRocks on Feb 15, 2012 10:03 AM MST up reply actions  

.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 15, 2012 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

In 15 years

The Rockies will have signed Jadyn and Haven Fielder and they will each be putting up 40 HRs a year.

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

The Rockies will have signed Jackson Holliday and he will be putting up 40 HRs a year.

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 15, 2012 9:54 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Are they twins

And how sweet would it be to have twins who mash?

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by TuloRocks on Feb 15, 2012 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Jadyn is 7 and Haven is 5

Get on the phone O’Dowd. I want these kids in the Rockies t-ball org immediately.

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 10:01 AM MST up reply actions  

Haven Moses is deeply offended

and Jadyn can apparently be used for either gender.

If they can hit like their dad, they could be named Suzanne for all I care. Get those kids in the batting cage. Prince was hitting balls out of Tiger Stadium when he was 12, so by the transitive property, they will be hitting the 4th row of the Rock pile before they hit puberty.

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Johnny Cash agrees.

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by biondino on Feb 16, 2012 4:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Rox #15

Didn’t see it posted yet so here ya go (paywall):

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7574220/mlb-future-power-rankings-2012-nos-20-11
15 – Colorado Rockies
LAST SEASON: 73-89 (fourth place NL West)

The bar graphs reflect the average points given by the voters for each category.

[They obviously don’t show up in this post but Rox netted 15/30 – Majors; 16/30 minors; 13/30 for both finances & management and 15/30 for mobility for a Total Weighted Score of 46.7 – ed.]

The lowdown
The Reds and Rockies are in a virtual tie in our scoring system, with the former getting a slight edge by decimal points. There are two really good reasons to be excited about Colorado’s future: shortstop Troy Tulowitzki and outfielder Carlos Gonzalez. Both are just entering their primes, signed at least through 2017, and among the best players in baseball at their respective positions.

Few teams can boast a pair of position cornerstones as good as these two, and they should keep Colorado relevant for the next five years. — Buster Olney

The next step
He has been the face of the franchise for more than a decade, but Todd Helton is nearing the end of his storied career and his eventual replacement at first base is a concern. Getting power from a power position is crucial for a team playing at Coors Field. — Jim Bowden

by Traindogger on Feb 15, 2012 2:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Here is a breakdown of the categories and their respective weights:
CATEGORIES
MAJORS (full weight): Quality of current big league roster
MINORS (full weight): Quality and quantity of prospects in their farm system
FINANCE (2/3 weight): How much money do they have to spend?
MANAGEMENT (2/3 weight): Value and stability of ownership, front office and coaching staff
MOBILITY (1/3 weight): Do they have a lot of young, cheap players, or old immovable guys?

by Traindogger on Feb 15, 2012 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Other NL West teams:

Giants 17 (overall score 46.5)

Dodgers 19 (overall score 41.5)

Padres – 20 (overall score 41)

D-Backs must be in the Top 10.

by Traindogger on Feb 15, 2012 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

the DBacks are nasty.

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by Resolution on Feb 15, 2012 3:27 PM MST up reply actions  

But really, the biggest question

What jersey should I get for 2012? My Aaron Cook jersey isn’t really doing it for me anymore. I was thinking Cuddyer, but that seems brash. I do like the #3, though. Guthrie was another idea I briefly flirted with, but he may very well be trade bait by mid-season.

May have to wait until next season and just go out-dated until somebody steps up.

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 9:58 AM MST reply actions  

stitch off "Iannetta" and put "Rosario"

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 15, 2012 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

that was the number I always tried to get in baseball

I would have gotten it as my personal jersey in 08, but Clint Hurdle. instead I got 16, which was vacant at the time and is again.

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 15, 2012 10:17 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

of course it was

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 15, 2012 10:40 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

this

may be the first jersey i buy; i’m totally ready to fall head over heels for this kid

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by papality on Feb 15, 2012 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Go for someone guaranteed to be a Rockies legend

Helton’s a bit passé, Tulo’s a bit obvious, Cargo’s a star but the only real answer has to be JUAN NICASIO.

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by biondino on Feb 15, 2012 11:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Q: What jersey should I get for 2012?

A: Jeremy Lin

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by Resolution on Feb 15, 2012 1:31 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I could change the 8 to a 9

and stitch off Cook for DLR. I think it would be cheaper to just buy a new jersey though.

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 10:02 AM MST reply actions  

No prizes for guessing #1 and #2...

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by Since1993 on Feb 15, 2012 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

As for the player I'm most interested in watching

It’s Chris Nelson. I’ll just say this now, he will have by far the most innings at third this season. Arenado is going to prove too young, and Blake is going to prove too old. Nelson, on the other hand, will take the position by the horns and will give us a 3 WAR season from 3rd.

by mkorpal on Feb 15, 2012 10:05 AM MST reply actions  

-is Jim Tracy

-gives Casey Blake excessive playing time due to veteran-ness

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 15, 2012 10:07 AM MST up reply actions  

/please turn into Brandon Phillips, Chris Nelson...

please………………

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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 15, 2012 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

But if he plays 3B

won’t he just instinctively want to steal home all the time, even on defense?

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 10:09 AM MST up reply actions   2 recs

I'd be ok with that

but I really don’t see any of it

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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 15, 2012 10:18 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Ha

you just need to use your imagination. And at the very least, 3B remains open enough for Nelson if he has the best spring of any of the contenders.

by mkorpal on Feb 15, 2012 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

The way I see it

Nelson can win the utility spot over EY2 and Herrera, and then Casey Blake either gets hurt of proves ineffective, and then Nelson is slotted into 3rd. Also, if Nelson hits a grand slam at Petco, he’ll start for the rest of the season :-) I think he’s definitely on his last chance to prove himself.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 15, 2012 10:29 AM MST up reply actions  

and hit clean-up

The off-season sucks.
That is all.

by DAWNMARIE01 on Feb 15, 2012 10:30 AM MST up reply actions  

What makes you think that will be the case?

Blake is going to make $2MM this year, and Nelson only played 130 innings at 3rd in 2011, and didn’t really do much (-.4 dWAR) to make himself stand out. Blake wasn’t much better at a 0 dWAR, but at least he had the excuse of being hurt and only getting 36 starts at 3B.

Nelson does have a shot at getting some significant playing time at third if, as Goat points out above, Blake gets hurt and happens to beat out EY2 and Herrera for a roster spot. Only way I see Nelson getting the job out of the gate is an injury during ST.

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

i dont think blake's contract is guaranteed

so if he proves totally ineffective or gets hurt and doesn’t make the team, then nelson could win the 3b job. i personally don’t see it happening but i think that it is a possibility

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by purplesocks on Feb 15, 2012 10:36 AM MST up reply actions  

You're right about the money not being guaranteed

It also has $1MM in incentives, so really it’s only $1MM if he plays but doesn’t perform up to the level that the org feels he’s capable of.

If he stays healthy, I don’t see Nelson competing with him.

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I think

what purplesocks pointed out, combined with the fact that Nelson’s out of options means that it’s not TOO improbable that Nelson wins the job. The part I’m doubtful about is putting up 3 WAR from 3B.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 15, 2012 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Of course it is

After 2011 though, I refuse to be optimistic about anything :-(

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 15, 2012 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

As long as there are no EYs in the OF

we’ll have reason to be optimistic.

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

I refuse to ignore this comment.

EY was better in the OF than at 2B, and he started to look solid at the end of the year.

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by Charlie77 on Feb 15, 2012 10:51 AM MST up reply actions  

I'll take Charlie Blackmon

as a replacement OF any day of the week.

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't trust anyone with that name..

first of all, he’s white

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by Charlie77 on Feb 15, 2012 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Seriously though

EY has speed, other than that, I’m not too impressed. He may have improved in the OF, but what was his floor? Is going from looking downright terrified of the baseball to actually looking something like a professional outfielder that huge of an accomplishment? He’s 27, not 21.

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

He has his own website..

I’m not sure how you can ignore that.

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by Charlie77 on Feb 15, 2012 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Just visited it

Pretty amazing. I especially like how there’s nothing on it.

Renck says he loves his confidence, and he’s inspired others. Including Charlie77 apparently.

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Its a picture of Poker Chips and Pocket rockets.

My 6 year old can code that.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

It says a lot

1. He refuses to be ignored.
2. He refuses to fold pocket aces.

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

But I'm ignoring him

Until he either A. Becomes a > 1.5 WAR (in one year) player or B. completely blows up on the field.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Easily ignored.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Ok, let me revise this a bit

cause now that I think of it, defensive metrics will probably hate him never allowing him to put up 3 WAR. So, now I’ll say he has a 120 wRC+ season at 3rd.

by mkorpal on Feb 15, 2012 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

This is a big if, but...

Blake played full seasons at 3B in ‘09 and ’10, he posted a 5.9 and 3.2 WAR respectively, so maybe it’s Blake that we can get a 3 WAR out of at 3B.

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

I'd be happy if Nelson put up 3 WAR.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

…for his career.

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by Muzia on Feb 15, 2012 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

No

But it would be like buying a pair of jeans from a thrift store and finding a Benji in the pocket.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

No

it’s more like putting a Benji in your old jeans, washing them 10 times, forgetting about the Benji, and finding it 4 years later.

by mkorpal on Feb 15, 2012 10:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Everyone would be

I’m just saying that a healthy Blake is more likely to put up a 3 WAR than Nelson.

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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 15, 2012 10:48 AM MST up reply actions  

I LIKE YOUR STYLE

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by waterboy31321 on Feb 15, 2012 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Chris Nelson was one of my answers too...

…if nothing else hoping he doesn’t make my prediction of him being the 2nd baseman of the future look too ridiculous.

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by WhiskeyDrinkingMan on Feb 15, 2012 1:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm excited for freaking baseball.

I would be content watching EY2 get picked off at first base on an endless loop for at least the first 3 weeks. After that, I am really fascinated by the pitching battles, but I have next to zero confidence in Tracy to pick the right guys..

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by BittenAnkles on Feb 15, 2012 10:12 AM MST reply actions  

This Spring Training...

Is gonna be special!

(dibs on the marketing campaign!)

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by Since1993 on Feb 15, 2012 10:25 AM MST reply actions  

I'm excited about this crop of young middle infielders:

Trevor Story & Rosell Herrera – Will these two teenagers be split up this year so Herrera can stay at SS?

Christhian Adames – Only 19 was 2 1/2 years younger than the rest of the SAL and was solid at the plate.

Josh Rutledge – Dominated the 2nd half in Modesto, will be a darkhorse candidate for 2B in 2013.

Hector Gomez – Is this the year he puts it all together AND stays healthy? Could be the most physically gifted SS in the system.

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by Charlie77 on Feb 15, 2012 10:31 AM MST reply actions  

What I see

Asheville SS Story, 2nd Mende, 3rd Herrera

by 3nS on Feb 15, 2012 1:33 PM MST up reply actions  

I could actually see Herrera starting out in Tri-City

He’s a lot rawer than Story, and they might want to give him more time at his natural position of SS instead of splitting time there by being on the same team as Story.

by steakman on Feb 15, 2012 1:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Which hitters are you most looking forward to watching in Spring BP?

Mine are:
1. Kyle Parker – looks huge on my 17" monitor, can’t wait to see him in person
2. Harold Riggins – is huge and looks like Frank Thomas’ BIG brother, won a college HR derby
3. Kent Matthes – smooth swing generates a lot of power
4. Wilin Rosario – I may need to be careful where I park

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by Charlie77 on Feb 15, 2012 10:49 AM MST reply actions  

I can't believe its almost time for ST.

Tired of being in the doldrums of no baseball during the winter.

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by Roxman4ever on Feb 15, 2012 11:56 AM MST reply actions  

Gah

Hurry up and get here already, Spring.

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by prettyinpurple on Feb 15, 2012 12:01 PM MST via Android app reply actions  

Chad Bettis

I’m excited to see how he looks in spring training and see if he can break camp with the club.

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by jcd823 on Feb 15, 2012 12:18 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

For the 2012 season in general

Tyler Matzek for me, at least in the minors. I’d love to find that we have the next Sandy Koufax on our hands after he spends a full offseason working with his old mechanics. Same goes for Peter Tago, I guess.

As for ST, I really can’t disagree with any of Aberle’s Top 5.

by steakman on Feb 15, 2012 12:27 PM MST reply actions  

2 guys that can transform the franchise in 3-5 years. If they turn it around we could compete for a WS

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by waterboy31321 on Feb 15, 2012 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

As a baseball novice, there is something I'm trying to get my head around.

That is getting the 3rd out in the inning. It seemed to me that last year that Chacin for example would be rolling through the opposing teams hitters and have a low pitch count in the 4th or 5th inning and couldn’t get 3 3rd out and next thing you know his pitch count was high.
So my question is, Is some pitchers better at getting the 3rd out than others and if so which of the Rockies pitchers are best at it?

by 3nS on Feb 15, 2012 12:58 PM MST reply actions  

There definitely seem to be some guys that are better at maintaining focus through a full inning

and veterans do seem to be better at it. I remember hearing Jeff & Jack on the Rockies radio broadcast frequently discussing this issue with specific regard to Jorge de la Rosa the past couple of years — that the Rockies wanted him to work on nailing down the mental part of staying focused after getting two easy outs.

I don’t have any numbers to quantify this, but from my observation Aaron Cook during his best years (‘04 – ’09) was very good at doing this. I can’t really think of any current Rockies starters that had this trait in 2011, but Belisle and Betancourt did a pretty good job out of the bullpen.

by steakman on Feb 15, 2012 1:38 PM MST up reply actions  

This would be a fascinating question to research

But it would take some programming chops to pull the data out of baseball-reference.

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by EmersonCR on Feb 15, 2012 1:41 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

For sure

Do they keep pitches/out by out? Ex. pitches required to get out 1 vs out 2 vs out 3? Interesting questions that I might pursue on my personal computer

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 15, 2012 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

The game logs have a count for each event

I don’t know if they indicate foul balls, though. Is there a pitch-by-pitch game log that I don’t know about somewhere? That would be a better source.

If you do want to work on this, I’d be happy to help out. I know a little python and am competent in STATA.

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by EmersonCR on Feb 15, 2012 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Lol

I don’t know what either of those things are, but I want to learn to program…

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 15, 2012 1:49 PM MST up reply actions  

ooooh

Learn python first.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 1:51 PM MST up reply actions  

The python community prefers 2.7.

let me know if you need any help at all. 90% of my work right now is done in python.

Here is the tutorial that I started myself out with when I decided to learn it.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Awesome

Just emailed the link to myself. I’m going to hurt myself trying to learn this and watch BSG at the same time.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 15, 2012 1:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Just don't network your computers

Because then they’ll be more susceptible to Cylon attack.

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by EmersonCR on Feb 15, 2012 2:00 PM MST up reply actions  

If you want python-----------------------> Go interview Raffy

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by Roxman4ever on Feb 15, 2012 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

And the line

Its been crossed

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 3:37 PM MST up reply actions  

ok ok. Understood. You can flag it if you want.

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by Roxman4ever on Feb 15, 2012 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

No, I was just trying to be funny

No actual lines were crossed.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 16, 2012 6:58 AM MST up reply actions  

What are you suggesting?

I read on teh interwebznet that Raffy likes snakes.

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by SDcat09 on Feb 15, 2012 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Python's a programming language, STATA a statistics software package

If you want to learn programming, Python is a great place to start. It’s much more intuitive than Java or C++. And there a plenty of good tutorials for it. Google has a whole mini course they’ve posted online for it.

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by EmersonCR on Feb 15, 2012 1:51 PM MST up reply actions  

What makes python so great?

I’ve never learned it. I’ve also heard some people swear by perl. For me it’s been bash/awk, or C++ for more complicated things.

by RoxnSox09 on Feb 15, 2012 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

One of its chief advantages\disadvantages

is that it doesn’t compile. Which means you can code stuff really fast and get feedback on it right away. But also means you have to be extra careful about catching your errors.

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by EmersonCR on Feb 15, 2012 1:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Python is great if you want to do something simple quickly

You can have it running on any machine in 5 minutes, and its really flexible. Is it better than perl as far as scripting languages go? Probably not, but its much easier to learn than perl is.

Bash/awk is great if you are scripting in a linux environment. c/c++ is great if you want to communicate with hardware/drivers. Java is great if you hate your user base/people that will maintain your code.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 1:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Hilarious
Java is great if you hate your user base/people that will maintain your code.

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by EmersonCR on Feb 15, 2012 1:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Guess I need to get back into Java then...

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by J_Stone on Feb 15, 2012 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

You could write python

And name all of your variables using python keywords like
list
dict
str
etc….

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 3:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Check out retrosheet.

I started out writing a code to interpret and manipulate their game logs a while back but never finished. For most games they have pitch sequence data.

by RoxnSox09 on Feb 15, 2012 1:51 PM MST up reply actions  

NEWS: Rockies signed more pitchers

Zack Segovia and Jared Wells (2 Guys who haven’t been around for a while)

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by waterboy31321 on Feb 15, 2012 1:30 PM MST reply actions  

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RT @therealbarrios: 1st set of Major League Baseball win totals hit market Tues night and Vegas has the Rockies at 82.5, I say over & you?

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by waterboy31321 on Feb 15, 2012 1:33 PM MST reply actions  

Saw that he said they should be at 81 wins.

Lets hope we exceed those expectations.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 1:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Bill Petti at Fangraphs writes about stats and parks

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/park-factors-era-estimators-part-i/

some interesting implications about hitters parks, including that tERA may be the best predictive metric in them

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by papality on Feb 15, 2012 1:52 PM MST reply actions  

For those of you who are hating on Pacheco and Nelson as having very little chance to contribute

longterm in MLB I would argue that both Casey Blake and Marco Scutaro’s careers are a decent countpoint.

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by TomCat009 on Feb 15, 2012 2:05 PM MST reply actions  

The expression

on Jamie Moyer’s face in this picture (far right). . . .

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by Russ Oates on Feb 15, 2012 2:35 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

That picture is just wrong. His head doesn't look like its on his body right.

And yes, the expression is hilarious.

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by Thnikkaman on Feb 15, 2012 2:43 PM MST up reply actions  

it only goes back to 1996 – we can only assume that the first ten years of Moyers’ career predated photography.

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by Resolution on Feb 15, 2012 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I think it's about right..

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by SDcat09 on Feb 15, 2012 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Looks like he lost his dentures.

or there is a really strong wind blowing.

3 today, 2 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.

by Roxman4ever on Feb 15, 2012 3:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Very nice

3 today, 2 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.

by Roxman4ever on Feb 15, 2012 3:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting article

About the new look FO for the Astros:

Here

I love Grantland so much.

by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 15, 2012 4:43 PM MST reply actions  

Excellent article

Dan O’Dowd: read this article, take a look at how your draft choices are doing, and learn something.

by maris61 on Feb 15, 2012 6:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Dexter is who im exited to see in spring training.

His new frame is gonna help in a few ways. His jumps will be legit because of his stronger hips. He’s done alot of leg lifting this winter. Also wondering how his new strength is going to help his power. I know he’s not a power guy but he may add some HR’s and doubles because of it. Also, he will mentally know that he has prepared for this season and i think his confidence will be through the roof. Im expecting the same guy we saw last year in the second half but more improved if thats possible.

Nolan Arenado will be interesting as well. Can he be mature enough to be a big leaguer? His swing says yes but you need more than just an idea in the box to be a big league 3rd baseman. I dont think his stats will make or break him on making this team. How he handles himself will be key.

by Oakland F's on Feb 15, 2012 5:43 PM MST reply actions  

The key for Dex

will be to not have a big dry spell in the middle of the season. Overall he’s put up solid numbers in each of his three years. He hasn’t hit a lot of homers, but has already hit a lot of doubles and triples. Either way, I think we see him have another good year and maybe a great year.

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