Sunday Rockpile: Nicasio still on track for starting 2012 with Rockies; plus a different angle to Tracy's non-deal
by Rox Girl on Feb 26, 2012 8:49 AM MST
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PrintJuan Nicasio continues an amazing recovery from a broken neck, but beyond the feel good aspects ---the heart of a lion competitor stories and what have you--- I think it often gets lost about the impact Nicasio brings on the mound, and the importance he'll have for the Rockies chances at a competitive season. For the Rockies to compete, the rotation needs to have four starters capable of keeping the mostly weak NL West lineups in check, and allow the Rockies own solid lineup to do what damage it can against their rotations. I think it often gets assumed that the Rockies need a Tim Lincecum or Clayton Kershaw to compete, when all that's really needed are pitchers that can outpitch the opposition's other four.
Enter Juan Nicasio, who with just over 70 innings could represent the Rockies third most proven MLB starter behind Jhoulys Chacin and Jeremy Guthrie (of course, if Jamie Moyer wins a spot, he'll have enough MLB experience to eclipse Nicasio's lifespan, Moyer debuted with the Cubs two months before Nicasio was born.) Nicasio came out of nowhere last season to post a fine rookie year, a 4.14 ERA, a 3.65 FIP and 7.28 K/9 before Ian Desmond's line drive ended his season.
That's not to say Nicasio is without his flaws. 19 (or about one third of his season total of 58) of Nicasio's K's came in two starts against one team. His K/9 against non-Padres is just under six, which would drop him from a solid mid-rotation level to a bottom of the rotation starter on the fringe of losing his job when other teams start to figure him out. That said, if his development isn't stalled by the injury, and at this point it seems unlikely to be, Nicasio has the stuff to develop into one of the league's more solid sleepers for 2012.
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Woody Paige argues against the Rockies handshake agreement with Jim Tracy, saying that instead the club should have locked their skipper into a three year deal in order to.., I don't know.., keep all those Jim Tracy poacher clubs from stealing him away from us or something... You know, all those teams knocking down the Rockies door licking their chops for a chance to hire Tracy... Yep... sure are a lot of Jim Tracy fans out there among general managers... Any minute now that phone's going to be ringing off the hook with three year offers...
Jorge De La Rosa also would help the Rockies a lot to make up at the bottom of the rotation what they lack at the top. In a Spanish report, JDLR continues to say that he wants to be back for a minor league rehab assignment by May, however the Rockies continue to look at a June start date for the left hander.
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I don't know
That Brandon Hynick, Alan Johnson and Greg Reynolds for Roy Halladay trade he concocted would have undoubtedly been a positive
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Damnit O' Dowd...
…this is the kind of creativity we are looking for!
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by WhiskeyDrinkingMan on Feb 26, 2012 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
Why is this not green?
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Zimmerman signs 6 year extension with Washington
Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio reports that Ryan Zimmerman will earn $100 million with his new six-year extension.
Bowden also says he’ll get the no-trade clause he was looking for. The new deal is added on to the end of his current contract, meaning he’ll earn $126 million over the next eight years, with the Nationals holding an option for 2020 that could bring the deal to a total of $150 million. Interestingly, the guaranteed money is the exact same amount Jayson Werth signed for last offseason, though Werth’s deal was for seven years. The third baseman is a career .288/.355/.479 hitter across seven seasons, all of which, of course, he has played for the Nationals.
A little risky given his sporadic injuries but I like the deal.
The first two
position players from the 2005 draft to make it to the majors have now been locked up with their drafting team until 2020, very cool. I hope Zimmerman does well (just not as well as the second guy to make his MLB debut that year).
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I like Zimmerman too
But I actually don’t know if I think he has yet proven to be a $100 million player. At least not on a consistent enough basis. He’s definitely had his windows of being that player, I just don’t know if those windows have remained open long enough to be confident that he can be that type of player for the next 8 years consistently. Injuries being part of the issue.
But I like him a lot and do believe that his will earn this contract, but I do think there is some risk involved with this signing. I don’t think it’s a sure thing that Washington wont come to regret it (though not nearly as much as I am sure they already regret the Werth signing).
Let me rephrase that 2nd paragraph
I like him a lot though and do think he will earn this contract, even if there is some risk involved with it and Washington might come to regret it (though not nearly as much as I am sure they already regret the Werth signing).
I love Zim, but I rarely love 100M deals (especially for players with extensive injury history)
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I think we are all just going to have to get used to $100M deals being the new norm
For cornerstone type players. Erase his injury history and I bet we are looking at this deal having been a bit further north of “just” $100M, even with a “home town discount.”
If you don’t want to spend that kind of money than you really are going to become irrelevant.
The Rays are the exception, not the rule IMO.
seems more likely they'll move him to 1B now
need to protect their investment
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I know
I said arguable…and I said when on…and I personally don’t think there’s a ton of difference between the two when both are playing their best.
it's actually eerie how similar they are, really
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True
But I’d personally move the youngster, not the veteran.
But that is another layer I hadn’t thought about. I did read, though, that they were going to have him practice at other spots to see where things could go. Not sure how this extension might play into that.
i think the plan might be (or have been, before the extension)to move espinosa to SS, his natural position
and rendon to 2B, which even if they had a cardboard cutout at 1B would be a really, really good infield
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and If Morse keeps hitting that IF is evil
especially if they add BJ Upton or Bourn in FA
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Beltre's a touhg one for me
The past 2 seasons he’s been great with the added bonus of being a gold glover, but he’s had so many down seasons that I do hold a bit of a bias towards him.
I think it has more to do with how marketable Z is
Of everyone they have, even Harper and Strausberg, Ryan is the hometown kid and the one that can really sell a lot of tickets. In that view he was far more important to keep on that team than to sign Fielder.
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yup, classic "face of the franchise" extension
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Funny that Zim's career OPS ...
is virtually the same as Seth Smith’s.
And I’m not a Seth Smith fan.
(I know, I know … Coors Field, R/L splits, defense …. there’ s a billion reasons why Zim’s a better play. Just interesting comparison.)
by BostonTransplant on Feb 26, 2012 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
ah, seth smith
we hardly knew ye….
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Washington now has a 5-6 year window ...
With many core players under team control, solid to better starting pitching and some very exciting prospects close to the majors (Harper & Rendon). This deal makes sense – they see Zimmerman as the face of the franchise and he wanted to stay in DC.
There is more risk with this deal than with many due to Zimm’s injury issues. But to say he has had his windows … whenever he has been healthy he has performed at an elite level … period. And the Nats have a few other gambles on seemingly higher-than-average health risks in Stras & Rendon too. But if these guys all stay healthy and perform to abilities – look out.
In sum, yes they are gambling on Zimm’s health, but by all accounts he is a great player and works hard. He could have landed more money elsewhere with one healthy season. See – Jose Reyes as an example.
Have to admire the way the Nat's are just going for it...
…and the upside to all of these signings could put them at an elite level for the next several years. But Zimmerman’s history of injuries, Stras’s surgery, over paying for Werth, and who can ever say about prospects—even ones that look as solid as Harper?
If Bowden has the cash I guess go for it…but baseball has never worked in DC before.
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by WhiskeyDrinkingMan on Feb 26, 2012 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
Pomeranz article on MLB.com
Drew Pomeranz feels he wasn’t necessarily himself during much of his early tenure with the Rockies last season. With the promise he still showed in 2011, that could bode well for Colorado this year.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120225&content_id=26856760¬ebook_id=26856762&vkey=notebook_col&c_id=col
Tracy ...
From the same article … Couldn’t have scripted it better myself:
Manager Jim Tracy said the chance in Colorado will give Blake an opportunity to bounce back.
“We’ve got a very professional guy there that knows how to play the position, knows how to play in a pennant race, knows how to play to win,” Tracy said. “All the intangibles that we’re looking for.”
The Rockies are also looking forward to having Blake in the clubhouse to mentor 20-year-old prospect Nolan Arenado, who seems to be Colorado’s third baseman of the future.
“We are creating a wonderful window to finish the development of a young player in this camp that a lot of people feel is very special,” Tracy said
I kid you not … I did not make this up.
by Traindogger on Feb 26, 2012 10:30 AM MST up reply actions
I liked what he said here but...
He actually said professional…I was reading this hoping not to see the word special until that last word.
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by Roxman4ever on Feb 26, 2012 10:56 AM MST up reply actions
We should probably get off the "let's make fun of the word 'special' " kick ...
It’s just the word he uses to express “really really good and exciting”. I don’t see anything at all in the graph I disagree with.
by BostonTransplant on Feb 26, 2012 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
You can get off on what you want to get off on ...
And leave it for others to choose for themselves.
by Traindogger on Feb 26, 2012 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
Whoa there ...
Just offering my opinion that it’s a non-issue. We all have certain ways of expressing ourselves, and that’s his. Would you be less interested in it if he constantly used the word “exciting”? Or is there something about the word “special”? Inquiring (only because I’m bored) minds want to know!
by BostonTransplant on Feb 26, 2012 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
He called Wiggy special...Something he isn't.
Now, Cargo, Tulo, and Nicasio. They are special. Bring on the O’s. ScutarO and ArenadO are next. #acquirealltheO’s!
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by Roxman4ever on Feb 26, 2012 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
Ummm ...
I think the only word he knows to describe a player he likes is the word “special” … maybe he is channeling his inner Church Lady, but Tracy’s use of the word has been a running gag here at the Row for some time. And to answer your question – hell yeah i would like for him to broaden his vocabulary a bit. I mean, all we know about this team at this point is just how durned special it is … oh … and that we are loaded with intangiblezzzzz.
by Traindogger on Feb 26, 2012 12:21 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I will rec'd this for mentioning the Church Lady
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by Roxman4ever on Feb 26, 2012 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
Oh come on man.
As much as Tracy says it, he’s basically created his own very special meme.
I, especially, hail the specialness of Tracy.
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But amongst all our specialty memes...
I’m not sure this one’s anything special.
There are no apostrophes in plurals.
A lot is two words. Allot can be one word but it has another meaning.
The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
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it's like he's one of those talking statues you can buy around halloween
just stand him in a press conference and push “play” and all the same canned lines will be recited.
i really can’t wait until we get someone with distant semblance of personality to manage
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I thought it was already in use like that
But I really hope Barmes Jr. is potty trained by now.
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Woody's an idiot
But his position on Tracy’s contract status makes about as much sense as the other extreme – throwing oneself on the floor and gnashing teeth over a faily meaningless handshake agreement.
Personally I don’t care what Tracy’s contract status is. He’s going to get one chance to manage the overhauled roster and see if he can get this team back within shouting distance of a pennant race. If it works, he’ll stay. If not, he’s a goner because there’s really nobody else left for O’Dowd to fire. This issue has already drawn about 1000 times more attention than it deserves.
by Northsider1964 on Feb 26, 2012 11:27 AM MST reply actions
In case you missed it, the "non-deal" part of the title to this post was meant to convey a couple of different meanings.
One of which was that this really is not an issue to be worried about. In other words, I agree with you. This was the first I’ve written at all about it, and this was only because there’s not much to report on the Rockies today. I couldn’t really avoid the Woody Paige column.
Sorry for being unclear
I wasn’t saying you were on the other extreme. But there are certainly plenty of people who are overly concerned about the so-called handshake deal.
by Northsider1964 on Feb 26, 2012 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
Like me!
I just can’t believe we signed him to an indefinite extension!!!
Oh … wait … we didn’t? Huh.
by Traindogger on Feb 26, 2012 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
It brings up an interesting thought though
Regardless of the fact that Paige clearly defends Tracy much more than the players that actually failed in 2011 or the GM that constructed the roster that failed in 2011, the point in all this is that nothing has been said about what DoD’s actual situation is. What I believe is that DoD has privately informed the Monforts that he wants consistancy and that Tracy is his guy for better or worse. I think DoD is on the hot seat and it will be him that goes first if the Rockies start off poorly this year – even if it is due to an inexperienced rotation or a patchwork of one year vets that didnt really have enough left in the tank to hold over for the next wave of talent.
Tracy will be here as long as Dan is… that just may only be a few months from now.
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I guess I don't see that happening
Not that it shouldn’t, because I think the Rockies’ roster construction has left a whole lot to be desired. But I still think O’Dowd has one person left that he can replace, and that’s Tracy. If that happens and the next manager still can’t right the ship, only then do I think O’Dowd’s toast.
by Northsider1964 on Feb 26, 2012 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
I guess my feeling is
If the Monforts have to ask Dan to fire Tracy, then they might as well just axe Dan right then and there and give instructions to the new GM that the first job is to hire a new field manager.
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Certainly possible
But I just don’t think it will play out that way.
by Northsider1964 on Feb 26, 2012 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
I'm also doubtful of this.
Not that I’m overly keen to defend O’Dowd right now, but I think you’re just missing on the level of where the organizational desire for administrative consistency comes from, that is to say it probably starts with the Monforts themselves. O’Dowd’s part of the inertia in the system right now, but the desire for that inertia starts at the top.
by Rox Girl on Feb 26, 2012 1:48 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That's been the way it looks to me for a while now
None of us can really know, of course, but I strongly suspect it is the Monforts that have put a huge value on stability and consistency, particularly with the GM and the Manager. The lack of a signed extension for Tracy going into his last season on his contract makes me think his leash is shorter than O’Dowd’s, though…
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by Junction Rox on Feb 26, 2012 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
The O'Dowd contract isn't public knowledge though
for all we know he has nothing guaranteed for even as long as what Tracy has.
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2010 -
signed multi-year extension with Colorado 11/09
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My hope is that this “handshake agreement” is simply an attempt to detract from any potential lame duck speculation that can come from a coach on his lest year of a contract. The more I think about it, the more comfortable I am that this is what it is. Its become the MO to extend any and all coaches prior to their final contracted season if the team has any semblance of faith in them, so the fact that the Rockies aren’t doing this has be hopeful that they aren’t any more sold on him than us fans.
Agree 100%
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by Junction Rox on Feb 26, 2012 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
Hehe
This issue has already drawn about 1000 times more attention than it deserves.
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by djmbluemoon on Feb 26, 2012 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
this is awesome
a competition between baseball names
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my personal favorite
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wilheka01.shtml
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I totally read that as Superbads
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 26, 2012 1:46 PM MST up reply actions
how could they leave Pujols off the sounds dirty list
And Johnny Dickshot is probably my favorite
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things everyone saw coming:
no one’s interested in scott kazmir, zumaya out for the season, sizemore to miss opening day
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Zumaya tore his UCL like 100 hours into spring training,
just hang it up at that point.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 26, 2012 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
not even like 100 hours of practice
like 100 calendar hours… i kinda feel bad for him
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He was something to see when he first came up
but obviously it was too much for his body to sustain
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by Junction Rox on Feb 26, 2012 1:57 PM MST up reply actions
zumaya is the guy who hurt himself playing guitar hero and then another time rescuing stuff from his grandpa's burning house right?
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just looked it up on wikipedia.
it was zumaya i was thinking of
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i didn't know that
i knew he could throw as hard as a freight train with the worst mechanics in the world, but to get hurt playing guitar hero? sounds like he should take some lessons in video games from stewart
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Nicasio's lack of decent secondary pitches will likely catch up with him this year.
Someone should ask Renck how he’s doing on this? It’s one of the reasons I like having Moyer around. If anyone can teach him the value of a change up; it’s Moyer. Now if someone could teach him a good split or palm ball: we wouldn’t have to worry about his slider so much.
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if that ends up being true we will move him to the pen where he becomes Raffy.1
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Okay I'm a massive fan now. Thanks for that link :)
Go Jamie!!!!
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Also he totally reminds me of Kevin Kline, amirite?
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Is that because he's In & Out?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Feb 26, 2012 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
This also allow me to post this again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ7SVMVrick
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by DumbAndNerdy on Feb 26, 2012 6:26 PM MST up reply actions
I’ll be singing this all evening.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Feb 26, 2012 6:27 PM MST up reply actions
Nope because he totally looks him.
And yes I’ve seen that movie
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I't not bad.
Tom Selleck is great in it.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Feb 26, 2012 6:31 PM MST up reply actions
I thought it was very good.
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I haven't seen it since it came out,
so I don’t have much to say about it except I remember that I thought Tom Selleck was great in it.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Feb 26, 2012 6:41 PM MST up reply actions
It was very funny
and sweet
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And...
there is a resemblance, but Kline is much handsomer than Moyer.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Feb 26, 2012 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
Shoot
I’d strike my kid out too
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MLB Network is doing the Top 10 Shortstops right now.
They are using analytics and sabermetrics.
10. Derek Jeter
9. Erick Aybar
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8. J J Hardy
His UZR was 10.7.
Alexie Ramirez was the only SS better in the majors using UZR
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7. Jhonny Peralta
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6.Stephen Drew?
2nd in XBH with 144
Tulo is in 1st with 196 XBH over the last 3 years. I think that’s what it said
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They made a comment about everyone they are talking about is in 2nd.
So far, the top man has been Tulo. Everybody else is blocked by him.
But he was in 6th for Runs saved with 11 last year.
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Read list so far. Rollins isn't there yet.
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I have a feeling that Rollins is number 3.
Castro still isn’t there yet. The problem I have with Castro is that he commits way to many errors. I think he had 24 last year?
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If Drew's not injured
he’s a pretty good SS. The problem is he gets injured.
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They are worried about his speed now.
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5. Alexei Ramirez
Lead the league in UZR.
Since 2009 480 hits only behind Jeter.
Has missed 10 games in 2 years.
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4. Asdrubal Cabrera..Agree? I did
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15 errors? Yuck.
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His OBP has actually gone down since 2009. .362 that year
.317 last year.
He had 18 homers in his 1st 3 years and then 25 last year.
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165 hits and 92 RBI's
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3. Yunel Escobar
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.290 avg .369 OBP
Tulo lead OBP at .376
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Larry Bowa said he doesn't even belong on this list
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John Hart's list MLB Network's Senior Advisor
1. Troy Tulowitzki
2. Jose Reyes
3. Asdrubal Cabrera
Said you put him on the field anywhere.
Said he is a potential HOF’er….DUH
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Joe Sheehan
1. Tulo at #1
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Bowa
- 1—-Tulo
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He has Rollins at 6 and Erick Aybar at # 2?
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This was a repeat.
They showed it during the super bowl.
Avalanche 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
I was working so I didnt see it
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This list has gone off the deep end now.
I have long thought Escobar would become a nice SS but he’s underachieved so far. I question if he should even be Top 10.
You aren't the only one.
I figured Castro would’ve been in this list even though he had 209 hits last year. He is still young.
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2. Jose Reyes...You know what this means...
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The east coast voters put Rollins #1? ;-)
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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by Junction Rox on Feb 26, 2012 3:55 PM MST up reply actions
He is like # 13.
behind Castro and Andrus
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maybe they are using a three year average of offense and defense
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I’d assume their rankings are taking in the big picture and not just basing their ranking on one season.
Yea. they are pretty covering the last 3 years.
I didn’t know Hardy had 30 homers last year.
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He played in Baltimore
that would be the reason
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#1 Troy Tulowitzki
OBP .372
OPS .544
WAR 5.8
HR 30
27 runs saved over last 2 years
ISO .250
2nd is .167—Stephen Drew
RBI 105
Wow, they are saying he is very possible the BEST player in the majors over Pujols.
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I think it's possible considering
that SS is a more challenging defensive position. I don’t think it’s that far fetched.
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Those guys said that he won the # 1 spot by a landslide. No one was even close.
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Amongst SS no doubt.
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Yea
Wow, they are saying he is very possible the BEST player in the majors over Pujols.
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FWIW ...
Dave Cameron was asked in a chat if he could choose any player in baseball to start a franchise with – contract included – whom would he select?
A: Tulowitzki.
This after all the FG writers who opined that while they didn’t really dislike the extension, they wondered why the Rox did it when they did.
Ummm … because he just might be the best player in baseball?
I really don't see why it's so surprising that some think Tulo is the
BEST player in baseball. I really don’t. I don’t find it surprising at all :)
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And all the guys on there was asked if they could sign a player to a 1 year contract.
Everyone of them said Tulo
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Makes sense to me.
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I find it surprising because he’s all around solid, plays a position of value, but he’s not the best at any one thing.
I think he’s a great player, the best SS, and I agree that you build a team he is a legit player to select as your first choice but I am not voting him the best player in baseball at this point.
I agree with the Miguel Cabrera mention below. I’d probably also put Matt Kemp above Tulo. And I am not closing any doors on Pujols just yet either.
he is close to the best fielding shortstop in the game
over the last 5 years, he absolutely is
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 26, 2012 7:51 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Matt kemp has to do it two years in a row
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if miguel cabrera can fudge his way through the year without being the worst 3b of all time
which i have faith he can, he becomes the best player i reckon
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by papality on Feb 26, 2012 4:47 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Nicasio's final 5 games were great
2.93 ERA 110 batters faced 24K’s 5BB he even had some bad luck in a few of those starts
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I would call getting hit
in the head with a ball and breaking my neck bad luck for sure. Man, he was pitching good though.
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well and that he started 13 games and gave up 33 runs over 71.2 innings
of those 33 runs 24 came in five starts 16 in three starts over 12 innings all on the road, I can’t wait to see what he can do this year. His road 7.04 ERA was likely a mirage as it cam with a .368BABIP and his 8.8K/9 and his 2.73 K/BB were both better than anything Ubaldo ever posted in a Rockies uni
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Nicasio's success at Coors vs on the road is interesting and counterintuitive
Because he relies so much on his fastball. Guys who don’t change speeds well generally (it is thought, anyway) don’t do well at Coors, because fastballs straighten out so much. Maybe the gold standard is more command than movement. If you can hit spots with your fastball, it doesn’t matter as much how much movement you lose.
by BostonTransplant on Feb 26, 2012 5:38 PM MST up reply actions
I believe it is commanding the fastball that makes someone successful at altitude
more than any other single factor
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works for raffy
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by papality on Feb 26, 2012 8:29 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Works for anyone who can control
his fastball. He just needs a little bit better breaking stuff so they don’t sit on the fastball all the time.
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Maybe he has learned his role
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Time will tell
but it’s looking good right now
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