Sunday Rockpile: Rockies done reloading for 2012, now it's up to the players to prove their firepower
The Rockies have one of the best signings of the off season (Ramon Hernandez) and one of the worst (Michael Cuddyer) according to a position by position opinion piece by L.A. Times writer Mike DiGiovanna. While I think many would agree with his picks, DiGiovanna focuses a bit too much on cost and age, and not enough on contribution (or at least on the wrong aspects of contribution) to leave me feeling that it's any sort of authoritative piece on the matter.
After Thursday's post about the numbers of pitchers the Rockies have competing for rotation slots, one critical thought was that the sheer volume of arms wouldn't allow for enough innings to properly evaluate them during Spring training. Although I haven't seen anyone from the Rockies come out and say it, it's a dilemma not lost on most MLB organizations, as Boston manager Bobby Valentine puts it:
"You rely on your evaluators and you make sure you're not fooled by results," Valentine said last night. "You've got to understand what you're looking at, and then hope that the bright lights don't change anything. I think you can make a proper talent evaluation given seven weeks of spring training."
The Rockies have an advantage over the Red Sox and several other teams in that most of the pitchers that Colorado will be attempting to evaluate in these conditions have minor league options left, meaning they can hold them back at Salt River for just a little longer if necessary to be certain.
Frankly, it's much better to be in the position of having too many arms than not enough. It means that somebody has to step up and actualy reach their potential to get noticed. As the Rockies new elder statesman once put it to young Philadelphia Phillies pitchers:
"You know why I'm still pitching in the majors? Because none of you have taken my job. I invite every one of you to come take my job. That's the way this game works."
What Jamie Moyer's saying is that professional baseball's evolved over 130 years or so to allow true young talent to shine through when it's ready. There really aren't super star prospects that get blocked by veterans, but there are hyped mediocrities that aren't really ready for the Show.
The Rockies don't really need a Felipe Paulino, a pitcher that will only become good after released when the season's over and nothing matters, nothing's on the line to play for. They need a couple of pitchers that are clearly going to be assets from day one. The kind that can show enough separation from the pack in the short time given to be an obvious choice. If none of them are really capable of this, I don't know how much, if any, difference on the team's season will be made by making the wrong choices. It would be a case of having no cream to rise to the top.
It shouldn't surprise any Rockies fan to learn that the team has the most Venezuelans of any MLB team on the 40 man roster, with nine. I would say that eight of the nine (the suspended Eliézer Alfonzo being the exception) have a decent shot at breaking camp on the 25 man roster. Pitchers Edgmer Escalona and Guillermo Moscoso, and infielder Jonathan Herrera are on the bubble for bench or bottom of the rotation jobs, with Rafael Betancourt, Jhoulys Chacín, Ramón Hernández, Marco Scutaro and Carlos González being locks to make the team in prominent roles.
One more Venezuelan that could have had a job, but turned the Rockies down (link in Spanish) was Melvin Mora, who wishes to play for a team closer to his Maryland home. After Mora rejected the Rockies overtures, they turned their attention to Casey Blake to fill the same role as a place-holder to keep third base warm while Nolan Arenado develops. I bring this up because Mora is even more obviously a partial season fix, almost a back-up plan, than Blake is. I think a lot of Rockies fans are assuming that the third base job is Blake's to lose, but it might be more accurately stated that it's Arenado's to win.
Baseball America has put out it's early top 100 for the 2012 draft. With the Rockies having five picks in the top three rounds (#10, #46, #71, #102, #124) it's fairly likely that a few of these names might be in the organization within a few months. It should be pointed out, however, that two names, #90 Peter O'Brien and #95 Preston Tucker, already could have been in the organization had the Rockies been able to sign them after drafting them in 2011. That said, I'm still fairly convinced that it will turn out to be a mistake on O'Brien's part to turn down the Rockies, as his eligibility at Miami is still up in the air and with a slow start, he could easily get passed by prospects not currently on the national radar. With fairly rigid slotting rules now in place, he'll still get drafted, but likely get only as much or even less on the table than the Rockies offered last season and have a year of pro development get lost in the process.
The decision to re-enter may not work out for Tucker, either, but I'm actually much more sanguine on his prospects, and lean toward the opinion that in his case it was a mistake on the Rockies part not to reach out a little further.
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Hard to
say that O’Brien wanting to be with his mother who is battling leukemia was the wrong decision.
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Professionally, it was a mistake to turn down the Rockies.
Personally, it might not have been given the circumstances. The article you link talks mostly about the decision to transfer to Miami, which makes plenty of sense with his mother’s health concerns.
The article also states
he turned down the Rockies offer because he didn’t like it, not because of his mother’s health.
It's still early, and quite a lot can change
but this draft class looks quite sad after Gausman. It’s kind of a bad year to have a high pick.
I like the two OF's they have at 9 and 10, Dahl and Roache, and I like a couple of the mid-teens HS athletes,
but I do think that pitching help is looking thin this year.
My personal favorite early in our range
is Stryker Trahan. Cool F’ing name too. Dahl is also intriguing, but I’m not a big fan of Roache right now.
Roache has some light-tower power, and it's not a long swing, either so he should be good for AVG
He actually led the Cape Cod League in batting average last summer, IIRC. He also has speed, so he’ll be an offensive threat quickly. It’s just a matter of adding a little patience and tightening up the defense before he’s MLB ready. I really would be pleased if he was still around for the Rockies pick, but have a feeling he might get snagged earlier because he’s so close to MLB ready.
Roache
dominated the first couple of weeks in Cape Cod. He nearly .400 in his first 25 games. Kind of jaw-dropping he sustained that for that long.
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I'm liking the Georgia Southern players immensely
Roach has tremendous power and has a quick polished swing. He’s not much of a speedster and he’s average defensively, but I’d how his bat could make up for that
by Cody Meiden on Feb 5, 2012 1:37 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't know if anyone's said this yet or not
Welcome to Purple Row and thanks for the information
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by Cody Meiden on Feb 5, 2012 1:43 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm really only going off BA's quick scouting report
Which called his speed fringe average. And his defense has me concerned that he may have a future at 1B rather than the outfield. Personally, I’d like to see them draft a massive power threat type player, as it’s lacking in our organization. However, I’d rather that be in the supplemental round and would rather draft a better athlete at 10, like Dahl.
Not totally sure what's up with his speed
It was definitely an asset for him at one point but more recent scouting reports seem to have it as merely average now. I’ve read that Roache broke his ankle in fall 2010 and had to play with screws and a plate in 2011 which must’ve affected his agility at least somewhat.
I like Roache too though he had a high k rate in the Cape Cod league if I remember. Part of me thinks he won’t get drafted since the org seems to be shifting away from high power/high k guys.
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Struck out 32% of the time in
136 AB, but his 30 walks topped the league.
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yea, no clue what to make of those numbers, his strengths and weaknesses were pretty extreme. I’m definitely scared off by that k-rate but 136 abs and a real lack of context around him make it too difficult to draw firm conclusions.
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According
to BA, Roache had 31 strikeouts over his final 18 games because pitchers were throwing him plenty of breaking pitches that he couldn’t adjust to in time.
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Sounds like a real Three-True-Outcomes kinda guy.
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in other words, the last type of guy the Rox want?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 5, 2012 11:10 AM MST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Probably the last type of guy who would be successful in the NL West
Too many good pitchers who don’t miss, and too many parks that HRs don’t leave. That leaves the third, most undesirable outcome.
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It's also worth pointing out that the Cape Cod League is notoriously friendly to pitchers
for a college conference. I think Roache actually led the league in OPS, not AVG — he posted something like a 1.004 OPS.
Though the BBCOR bats
have already reduced offense by nearly 1.5 runs in just one season of use.
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Interesting
I remember the change to BBCOR, but I never heard much followup. I don’t understand the hesitancy to switch wooden bats in collegiate play, especially since all of the summer prospect leagues use them.
Link
for that stat, btw.
Kendall Rogers sees two issues with DI teams moving to wood bats. Cost for colleges and contracts that coaches sign with aluminum bat companies. The latter seems to feed into coaches’ reluctance for the former.
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I think it's
the division’s conference commissioners, based on this. I do believe at the JC and NAIA level wood bats are used, but on a school-by-school basis. Not entirely sure about that, though.
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I think you're right about that
I know I’ve hear rumors of DII (or maybe just RMAC) going to wood in the near (3 years?) future
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Can the coaches not sign deal with wood bat makers instead?
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From the article from Rogers linked above
That could be difficult, though. Aluminum bat companies essentially have free advertising when teams get to Omaha, and they’re mainly marketing to high school and youth league kids by giving bats to college teams. Wood bat companies would have less marketing incentive. There also would be salary ramifications because some coaches are paid more a year by bat companies than they are by their colleges.
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the Rockies haven't drafted in the top 10 since Greg Reynolds
this is so strange.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 5, 2012 10:33 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I guess their plan to draft in the top 10 the next few years didn't work
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 5, 2012 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
It's because Reynolds was such an impact player
that he kept us out of the top reaches of the draft. Amiright?
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While I don't know college prospects that well
I find it amusing that there are 5 players listed as capable of playing first (four as double position players) but only one listed as playing second (and he’s ranked 91). I know players get moved around after drafting them but I did find that kind of odd.
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2B always seems to be an odd position
and it’s pretty rare for a pure 2B to be drafted high. Most seem to just be converted SS.
Yep
Be warned when you see a guy already be a 2B out of college. Generally they will be low ceiling, high floor guys, like Kolton Wong.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Feb 5, 2012 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
Or D.J. LeMahieu, who was moved to second while still in college,
Although I do think DJLM is generally underrated by a lot of Rockies fans for one of the last bench spots, if yesterday’s Rockpile comments are any indication.
Even Pujols came out of high school as a SS.
Basically the only positions you should be drafting are C, SS, CF, SP, and the occasionally bopping 1B. Everyone other position you can convert to.
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The college crop is definitely pretty bad
But the HS group is deep and loaded with high-upside RHPs and outfielders.
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Hard to argue with DiGiovanna on the Cuddyer signing
Rather than lacking substance (as all of these best/worst lists generally do), the problem is that the OFs should be lumped together since there weren’t many RF-only signings. When compared to the DeJesus signing, DiGiovanna is spot on. But aside from DD, the only FAs to sign who could spend significant time in RF: Ross, Ludwick, Beltran, Hairston, and Kotsay. Only Beltran and DeJesus top $10M total value in that group, or are locks to be the RF starters.
When comparing Cuddles to Willingham, JW has had more consistent offensive production and has consistently matched or exceeded Cuddyer’s production. [This is the part where I minimize the elements of character and batting average because we’ve dumped on them for the last four years.] The one thing Cuddyer has going for him is relatively good health compared to Willingham. More money may be worth less risk in playing time.
The big problem I have with these kinds of analyses ...
Is that they exist in this weird world where teams have set amounts of money, all free agents are equally available to them, and all will sign for the “right” amount of money to play anywhere, unless you’re stupid enough to offer them more. All, of course, are ridiculous.
If you’re going to criticize the Rox for the Cuddyer signing, and it’s certainly reasonable to do so, you have to at a minimum identify what move they could have made that would have been better. And there this particular article fails, IMO, because Willingham just isn’t as good a player and there’s no particular evidence he would have chosen the Rox over the Twins anyway (in fact, quite the opposite, since he’s an awful defender and will likely shortly be a DH). And I’m not convinced the extra few million dollars would have produced a useful player to make it worthwhile. Especially when you consider the character issues.
Just basically a load of bunk, or a reporter filling space.
by BostonTransplant on Feb 5, 2012 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
It's unfortunate that he chose to compare Cuddles and Willingham
because the real comparison should have been his best/worst RF signing. I have no idea if DeJesus would have come to Colorado, or if there was interest on the team’s part, but that is an empirically superior signing.
It's funny how "empirical" gets cross-wise with "conventional wisdom" for certain players
I’ll bet if you ask 100 professional baseball talent evaluators, you wouldn’t find 5 who would choose DeJesus over Cuddyer, at (almost) any price. I would guess DeJesus would be seen as a nice extra outfielder that could start on a bad team but you’d want to replace before you contend, while Cuddyer is seen as a highly desirable piece on a good team. Again, for whatever reason.
I find continually interesting that the serious gaps between advanced stats and “professional eyeball analysis” seems to focus on a few players. Cuddyer is one of those guys, and I’ll bet it has a lot to do with his approach, attitude, and fundamentals. Since I value the “professional eyeball test” at least as much (actually, more) than advanced stats, I love the Cuddyer acquisition and would have been seriously unhappy if our big off-season move was to sign David DeJesus.
by BostonTransplant on Feb 5, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
Agree on Cuddyer and DeJesus
I’m not the biggest fan of Cuddyer (yet), but I’d rather have a guy coming off of a 3.0 bWAR season (his best) than a guy coming off an 0.6 bWAR season (DeJesus’s worst). Even for significantly less money, there’s no world in which DeJesus is a better signing than Cuddyer, especially for a team like the Rockies, with a real need in the outfield.
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When I use the term empirical
I’m factoring defense, offense, and cost, with a heavy emphasis on the cost per win added. In that sense, DD at $5M per year, or $1.67M per win (est. 3 fWAR-Fans) is significantly better than Cuddyer at $10.5 per year (est. 3 fWAR-I bumped up the Fans from 2.3 for comparison’s sake), or $3.5M per win.
Rather than start a flame war on the topic, I’ll say that the world has moved away from a stats vs. scouts to a stats and scouts (which is why I’m willing to bump Cuddyer’s estimated WAR – I think his bat will be a lot better than the Fans projection). Also, I would have been ecstatic for DD at that price, but as a LH hitter he’s not a real fit for the team.
by deacs on Feb 5, 2012 12:40 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree on most of this, but ...
Cost per win added is the one creation of the SABR-heads that I get least. I think it’s incredibly deceptive unless you’re building a roto-team. While it may be true that DeJesus will be worth more per dollar than Cuddyer, he’s only a better signing for a flesh-and-blood team like the Rockies if the money we saved were invested in a player whose production over the guy HE replaces more than makes up for the difference between DeJesus and Cuddyer. That’s a bigger lift for a pretty good team like the Rox (i.e. one that has most positions filled with decent ML talent) than a really bad one, which is why guys like DeJesus usually end up on bad teams. Think of it this way: What player could we have signed with the $7 or $8m difference between DeJesus and Cuddyer money, and where would he play? Unlikely we’d get a SP for that price that’s better than what we have, and that’s our weakest position.
by BostonTransplant on Feb 5, 2012 1:00 PM MST up reply actions
It's largely a worthless calculation for a roto team because it takes into account many things that don't matter in roto
The $6.5M difference between Cuddyer and DD didn’t have to be immediately spent. If my assertion that DD would have provided equal value (fair, in my opinion, based on his defense more than making up for an offensive shortcomings, then the team is no worse on the field to start the year. Also, if things break right during the season, that financial flexibility exists to provide further upgrades.
Saving money doesn’t mean you have to spend it immediately. Given what we have come to know about DOD’s plan, saving money is the wisest course of action because the pitching staff risk is rather high. Whoever pays off will require more money down the road, and if there are a lot of busts (but the team is in contention) it will require money to acquire a superior player in-season.
if things break right during the season
Isn’t that always the hope, regardless of the situation?
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But in this context
if things break right, it’s important to have cash on hand to apply towards acquisitions that will fill a need or replace an injury.
Two things
Love the use of sanguine, RG.
The Fonz is still on the 40-man? Que?!
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by EmersonCR on Feb 5, 2012 12:36 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Until
the decision on his appeal for the illegal substance use is determined his being a catcher (with some experience better than Nieves) is worth keeping around. If he’s suspended again he will be released, no question asked.
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I can't remember who it was that brought up Home Run Baker a couple of days ago
But how in the hell do you hit 96 career homeruns and only have 107 career RBI’s?
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hyped mediocrities ?
Is that code for EY2?
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Shut the hell up Cecil Fielder
Cecil said he’s disappointed in the man his son has become.
I hope Prince hits 50+ dingers a year and passes every single one of your Tiger’s marks.
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Wow..I had no idea
they had this feud. Pretty sad…..
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really isn’t helping it. i feel bad for them.
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OMG Prince absolutely hates his Dad
Abandonment issues and all that bad stuff. Didn’t know it was mutual though.
by BostonTransplant on Feb 5, 2012 3:33 PM MST up reply actions
So whatis is the over/under on the Marlins new park?
Will thet get more good press for the aquarium , or do they get more negative press for the PETA protests?
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I thought it was you.
I know you have a bunch of Helton cards. I purchased his 1993 topps Team USA card for 5.00. It only shows his freshman stats on the back. Its card number 19T.
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Top price I saw was 35 I think
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yea, online so I don't know how true it is.
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I also got Ubaldo's rookie card for 2.00 and it is worth 20.
I got Tulo’s 2006 Bowman Chrome FY #105. I paid 10.00 for it and it could be worth 45.00. Got a bunch of Cargo cards.. Even ones that he is his D-Backs uniform.
Rookie cards purchased: 2 Ryan Braun, Jay Bruce, Jonathan Papelbon, Adam Dunn, Ubaldo’s. A dynamic duo rookie card with Ubaldo and Tulo on it. Also got a Tulo card that says rookie card. Its a 2007 Fleer with him wearing #63
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How about a 1993 Topps Gold Dante Bichette #644
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I got Fowler's rookie card. But, on interesting one I got was this one.
Its a 2007 UD Masterpieces #34 that has Tulo on it and it says rookie card. I had hell finding it online.
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2007 Bowman #206
13 today, 12 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.
Jason Giambi's 1992 Topps Stadium Club #156 Team USA card.
13 today, 12 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.
That Tulo fleer card is pretty common
The Diamondbacks Cargo card would be fun to have. The other Rockies cards you list are pretty nifty as well, especially that Tulo chrome and the Bichette TG card.
I will say that I don’t actually pay attention to pricing so much on cards as my understanding of their value is pretty low. I focus on players I like and organizing the cards (my hobby), their individual value doesn’t mean much to me any more.
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I find check out my cards to be good for pricing
they show beckett book value and it gives you an idea of how scare the card is
They have the Tulo fleer card as $4.00, but there are 17 for sale cheaper than that, so maybe 4 is a bit high, I did find a few mentioned above
http://www.checkoutmycards.com/Cards,sn,=tulowitzki+fleer
http://www.checkoutmycards.com/Cards,so,=ubaldo+bowman+206
http://www.checkoutmycards.com/Cards,so,=tulowitzki+chrome+105
http://www.checkoutmycards.com/Cards,so,=tulowitzki+34
Is it April yet?
I've used that site
when looking for cards (Helton usually) and the pricing does tend to make sense for the most part. Good site
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Try this one.
Just type in 2007 Topps Ryan Braun. I do have the Chrome Refractor card. Says its wroth 15.00. I paid 5 for it.
13 today, 12 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.
13 days until pitchers and catchers report!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
13 today, 12 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.
We hope "13" becomes a very lucky Rockies number!
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I hope it's a good luck number and not a bad luck number though
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JFK
I'm thinking POM chose that number
"Why are they outlawin' the spit pitch? The curveball is a cheap 'n easy pitch; the spitter aint" Ty Cobb
"When I was pitching 90's in the seventies; I never thought I'd be pitching 70's in the nineties!" Frank Tanana
Still closer to 14
but the clock says 13 so we can go with that
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JFK
read the sig. Its says 12 also
13 today, 12 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.
I was always a big fan of Melvin Mora
and thought he had a pretty good season here in 2010. But man, I’m glad he decided to go elsewhere. 3B is really the only position where he’s still serviceable, and I have to believe his legs would give out by midseason if he was heavily relied upon early in the year.
He did, But then he decided to unretire.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 5, 2012 5:05 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Cincy would need to clear salary to sign Oswalt; Bailey would be the likely bait
While interested in free agent starter Roy Oswalt, the Reds would have to open up payroll space to have a chance at consummating a deal.
“We had discussions with them a while ago,” Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said. “The last we heard he was going to Texas. That was on Monday. I don’t know if that deal is still in place.” Right now, Cincinnati has a deep and talented rotation that includes Johnny Cueto, Mat Latos, Bronson Arroyo, Mike Leake and Homer Bailey. Aroldis Chapman is a wild card who could stay put in a premium set up role or shove an incumbent into a swing man role. John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquire writes that, “Bailey is the only one of the six who is a) tradeable and b) making much money ($2.425 million). He is also out of options.” Bailey, 25, was 9-7 with 4.43 ERA last season and isn’t a sure bet to be worse than Oswalt even in 2012. “If he doesn’t sign,” Jocketty said, “we’d take another look at it,” but added that “it would be tough.”
Probably not happening, and even less likely that it we could be players, but….it’s always fun to contemplate.
For me, Bailey's in the category of guys we no longer have use for
He’s probably a slight upgrade on everyone in our rotation except Chacin and Pomeranz, but maybe not. And he costs money and a prospect. I think for guys like him I’d rather roll with what we have and see what develops. Plus pitchers of his caliber are usually available at the deadline if we need it.
If Oswalt goes to Texas, though, watch out. Texas has some guys we actually DO want (but then again about 15 other teams want them, too).
by BostonTransplant on Feb 5, 2012 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
I am not a huge fan of Bailey and agree with your overall assessment. The one thing I do think he has in his favor is that he’s at a stage where you could work him a little harder than some of our young guys and hope he gets us more (quality) innings over the season. I think he made a lot more sense when we still had Smith, as Cincy could have used his left handed bat, and not sure we have the piece for a deal to work both ways but as I said, its always fun to contemplate imo.
And, yeah, I’d rather some of Texas’s arms too.
oswalt is the one we need to be going after
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Yeah well, he seems to be kind of an entitled redneck jerk, so whatever
I do think he would help us, but if we have to sell off Hammel to get him for a year, I’m not sure I do it. There’s a very good chance he does nothing this year because of injury. You have to be a pretty rich team that’s one marginal improvement away from a title to go get him, I think.
by BostonTransplant on Feb 5, 2012 9:03 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
so
how about that super bowl
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by papality on Feb 5, 2012 6:07 PM MST via Android app reply actions
gmen didn't deserve that
eli of all people has to know it, mr. “i’m as good as tom brady”
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they didn't out-play the patriots at all
from the get-go, they were given lucky, nonsensical points
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I thought they outplayed the Patriots most of the first half.
And it’s up to the Patriots to put more points on the board, then. I guess I just disagree about “deserving” to win. Unless there are shenanigans (which there weren’t), whoever has the most points “deserves” to win.
Yeah, it's not like the Giants hired someone to videotape the opposing team's practices..
and then signal the coaches for what play they’re going to run.
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by Charlie77 on Feb 5, 2012 11:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
As opposed to the lucky, nonsensical no-calls that the Patriots got
on two blatant pass interference penalties.
You must really hate that he got the MVP
I know I do as I hate Eli more than any other player in the NFL.
But he had himself a good game and it was a game where no one player had a monster game and stood out. Solid team play and Eli lead the charge, making smart decisions and some good passes.
But, damnit, 2 SB’s for him now and he’s going to be getting included in the talk of the games best. I bet the next big debate becomes Peyton vs Eli: Who is better?
Puke.
I'm just curious, why do people hate Eli?
Other than people whose teams are rivals with the Giants, I don’t really get it. Oh well. I’m sure I sports-hate plenty of other athletes for reasons others don’t get. It’s not really supposed to be rational.
For the same reason I hate Elway
I absolutely can’t stand when a prospect refuses to play for a team that drafts him, forcing that team’s hand and making them trade him to a team of their choosing.
Both of which make sense
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It kind of defeats the purpose of a draft
In pro leagues with no draft (like European soccer), you can literally bet your life savings on five or six teams and know that one of them will win the league title. That’s because there isn’t a single player on the bottom five teams that could make the best teams’ rosters. The great young prospects get to choose where they go, and they choose the glamor cities with the biggest fan bases and contracts. There’s no illusions about it, either. Two thirds of the English Premier League is playing for something other than a league title and have no chance of ever winning one.
That’s not something we want, I don’t think. And every time a player circumvents the systems we’ve put in place to prevent it, I don’t like it either.
by BostonTransplant on Feb 5, 2012 9:00 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed
It’s completely irrational. I can’t stand Tom Brady, and there is no rational reason for it. He just makes me ill. And yes, I’m glad the Giants won, only because they beat Brady. Go figure.
Waiting for spring.
This is pretty much me.
Can’t stand Brady or Belichick or any Boston teams.
by holly96 on Feb 5, 2012 9:12 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
he's kind of an arrogant little snot
coming out at the beginning of the season and saying he’s as good brady, who is in the conversation for top-10 all time QBs? get over yourself, kid. and he has more rings than his brother, which is pretty much the definition of travesty
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Meh, don't really care about that either.
He probably is pretty close to on par with Brady currently (not talking all time, but currently).
Oh well
All I wanted was a good game, I got that. Congrats to the Giants.
TIME FOR BASEBALL.
Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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by free7694 on Feb 5, 2012 9:01 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
AMEN TO THAT!
Although, I have to say in my “indoor voice” that I’m looking forward to the rest of the college basketball season and March Madness. Still, April 5th can hardly get here soon enough.
Waiting for spring.
also the pleasantly surprising nuggets
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I'm glad the Nugs are doing so well
But I don’t follow NBA hoops much at all. I was born and raised on Tobacco Row, so college hoops will always rule.
Waiting for spring.
raleigh or chapel hill?
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Neither actually
A little further north in the Winston-Salem area. Also, I find it both curious and hilarious that you left Durham out of the question. Maybe you hate Duke as much as I do?
Waiting for spring.
Duck Fuke
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my north carolina geography left me for a moment
i don’t really have a dog in college sports, but i do like duke, and try to hate everything from the SEC and florida in particular
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Well then.
Feel free to never speak to me again. (OK, I’m kidding, but I really, really, really hate Duke.)
Waiting for spring.
I pitched in for pizza and only got to eat 2 pieces :P
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by prettyinpurple on Feb 5, 2012 11:03 PM MST up reply actions
Giants got lucky on a couple of fumbles that rolled back into their arms
But otherwise, I didn’t see them getting any breaks from the officials or anything like that. One of thebiggest reasons they won was because their punter was fantastic – pinning the Pats inside the 10 several times. But that’s just good execution, not luck.
Anyway I’m not a big NY Giants fan – but if a team named “Giants” has to win a title, I want it to be this one!
by Northsider1964 on Feb 6, 2012 7:37 AM MST up reply actions
sounds like a different giants team
Giants got lucky
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thank God football is over. ITS TIME FOR BASEBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13 today, 12 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.
by Roxman4ever on Feb 5, 2012 10:22 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
OT: Holy crap. Got massive check in the mail yesterday for unused vacation pay.
I guess that’s the upside of living in California and never using all my vacation days. You get a lot of money when you get laid off.
That's great news!
I was surprised to see I had 6 days of unused vacation owed to me when I left. Now if they pay it, is another question.
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Also, does that mean you'll be attending Spring Training with your newfound wealth?
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When I had jobs that allowed vacation days to be accumulated
I always tried to have at least 3 weeks banked, just in case. It’s a good way to ensure you have some severence, or to sweeten whatever severance package you are given.
In my current job we use it or lose it, so it’s not really an option.
by Northsider1964 on Feb 6, 2012 7:42 AM MST up reply actions
Rockies close to acquiring Jeremy Guthrie from BAL
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
Hammel and Lindstrom according to sources
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Feb 6, 2012 6:48 AM MST up reply actions
Guthrie says it's done
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
If true that is a horrible trade for us
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Because Lindstrom is a cheap well above average reliever
and we are trading way low on Hammel and while I love Guthrie and think he is way underrated Guthrie has been worth 5.8 fWAR since 2009, Hammel is cheaper and has been worth 8.8 fWAR over the same time period.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
All true
I think Guthrie actually may be overrated by virtue of being the best pitcher on a terrible team. He benefits from low ERAs which are belied by his FIP and xFIP, and that he has a mediocre K rate.
Well anyone who hates John Lannan and his 4.61 FIP
is really going to love Guthrie and his 4.68 career FIP
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I hate that Guthrie is three years older
They’re all essentially one year contracts (Lindstrom has an option for 13), but Hammel seems a much better bet to rebound to 2009-10 than Guthrie does to have sudden spike in Ks and GBs.
Also, I hate Lannan because he’s like Joe Saunders but with worse control.
I agree.
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I like it, but it's a little strange
Those players make sense because they even out the salary, but it seems like a slight overpay. Also, Hammel’s ERA didn’t always bear it out, but during his first two years here he was a much better fit for the ballpark.

































