Rockies Looking To Acquire Jeremy Guthrie From Orioles
by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2012 7:55 AM MST
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As this offseason continues to unwind, the Rockies continue to surprise us with the moves they're making. Today, Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun writes that the Orioles are close to sending righty starter Jeremy Guthrie to the Rockies in exchange for righty starter Jason Hammel and righty reliever Matt Lindstrom.
Guthrie, 33 on Opening Day 2012, sports a career 4.19 ERA (4.68 FIP) over 1020 career innings, almost entirely in Baltimore. Acquiring Guthrie seems redundant when you consider the "acquire all the young arms" mantra the organization has established for themselves, but the big difference is that Guthrie has hit that magical 200IP mark in each of the past 3 seasons.
Guthrie sits 92-93mph on the gun with his fastball, which he throws 62-63% of the time, and he mixes in a curve, slider, and changeup. He's never been too wild, and his strikeout numbers are comparable to Jason Hammel's, and similar to Hammel, Guthrie will need to be careful as he is somewhat more prone to the longball than desirable.
Hammel, 29, had a very disappointing season for the Rockies in 2011, much like the rest of the squad. After posting 2 franchise-high marks in the Strikeout-To-Walk ratio, Hammel lost a lot of his fastball command in 2011 and was demoted to the bullpen later in the season. Hammel claims the time in the pen gave him a new perspective on pitching, but it seems the Rockies weren't willing to bet on that.
Almost more confusing is the fact that reliever Matt Lindstrom went along with him. After being acquired this offseason and immediately signed to a 2-year deal with an option on a 3rd. Lindstrom didn't let the Rockies down, either, notching a 3.00 ERA with a 2.57 K/BB ratio in what was arguably the best season of his career. Possibly a sell-high point, but the Rockies bullpen is weakened after moving Lindstrom.
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Very neutral on this trade
I like that we got a guy who should eat up a lot of innings and could be the anchor of our rotation while the youngins mature, but this is a big blow to the bullpen. Who replaces lindstrom?
is it summer yet?
by RoxRule-18 on Feb 6, 2012 8:03 AM MST via mobile reply actions
This is pretty much my concern as well.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2012 8:04 AM MST up reply actions
Escalona, Roenicke, or even someone like Chatwood.
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And Putnam.
Really, Lindstrom was kind of an odd fit in the pen. He is more of a closer/setup guy, but those spots are pretty much going to Betancourt, Belisle, and Brothers,
Forgot about Putnam. He’s very likely to join the Opening Day roster now.
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Perhaps later in the year, absolutely
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exactly
rather have a competition for bullpen spots than starting pitching spots
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I'm seriously not sold on him at all.
He had a really lax winter work regimen (well, compared to some of the madmen we’ve heard about) and hasn’t ever played winter ball. I’ll be interested to see if he sticks.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2012 10:38 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I certainly don't mind swapping Hammel and Guthrie
I mean, they really aren’t that different in what they bring, but at least Guthrie has been consistent enough to hit 200 innings each year.
But I’m not quite sure why we added Lindstrom. That may take it from a slight net win for the Rockies to a slight net loss.
then why not just throw in a trash prospect instead?
We need Lindstrom, now we are stuck finding a replacemment for hi
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by Colsportsfan on Feb 6, 2012 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
What do we need him to do?
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by DumbAndNerdy on Feb 6, 2012 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
probably because Baltimore didn't want a trash prospect?
as is, the move is a little strange from their side
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 11:18 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
You're right.
I don’t really get what they’re getting out of the deal. Years of control, I suppose, but they aren’t really cheap years. I guess they have to hope on upside, which is there, but Guthrie is a surer thing than Hammel. Guthrie should eat innings and remain in the rotation, as a worst-case scenario.
Losing a 4th BP arm that costs $3.6MM this season and potentially $4MM the next doesn’t move me to tears, either. Seems to me that money could be spent better elsewhere.
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It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
At first glance it looked like a trade just for trades sake.
But it seems as though the Rockies did need an innings eater, So even with the loss of Linstrom, this move might help the bullpen by means of using it less. Especially with as many young starters the Rockies have, they don’t want to go into games with a spent bullpen like they did a couple of times last year.
Actually, this is a good trade for the Rox
One good observation, is that Guthrie seems to WANT to come to Colorado. Most pitchers are a bit abivalent about pitching in the rich atmosphere of Coors.
In regards to Lindstorom, he was an excellent go to guy, but tended to be prone to injury. Also, it is easier to replace an RP than an SP.
I see this as a good trade for the Rox. They get someone who can stabilize the rotation and hold the fort unitl JDLR arrives. The money saved in the deal gives them more options for further tweaking the rotation, or replacing someone if needed.
Besides, they can always trade him, if needed, like they did with Slowey.
by Real Perspective on Feb 6, 2012 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
I'd want to go ANYWHERE but Baltimore
if I were a talented player.
by deacs on Feb 6, 2012 12:25 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
this
guy’s gotta grateful he won’t be pitching against granderson, bautista, a-gone et al. any more
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I hate to see Hammel go. Lindstrom always made me nervous somewhat.
Why I don’t know but he was good when he was here. If we threw in 2 pitchers. Maybe, we should’ve got someone else with Guthrie. We all thought the Rockies were done for the offseason. Guess not.
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One other note on this trade
Guthrie makes 5.75mil this year, and is a FA in 2013.
Lindstrom and Hammel make 8.35mil this season, with several more years of cost control.
We just cut 2.6mil from this season’s payroll — either to offset the addition of Scutaro or to add financial flexibility the next couple of seasons for another piece.
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Que the Oswalt signing.
I think I could live with a Chacin, Oswalt, Pomeranz, Nicasio, Guthrie rotation.
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With all the up and comers
This will open a spot for them next year if Guthrie falters. If he does well Rockies can pay him to stay.
by 3nS on Feb 6, 2012 8:15 AM MST up reply actions
BTW
Thats pretty interesting. Guthrie filed for 10.25 million in arbitration and Orioles countered with 7.25. He then ends up settling for the Rocks for 5.75?
I wonder what happened to make him take so much less money then he could have had.
Oh wait, it’s 2012. That was his 2011 number. Continue on.
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sounds like his contract agreement will be essentially the same as Hammel + LIndstrom, around 8.35mil
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This will give Rockies some payroll flexability next offseason
by 3nS on Feb 6, 2012 8:23 AM MST up reply actions
The only cost next year is a buyout of Lindstrom's option
which is for $4M, with a 200k buyout I think.
Hammel was signed through next year, wasn't he?
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Pretty sure
2012 was the last year on his deal.
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from ESPN quoting the Baltimore Sun
Once informed of the trade, Jeremy decided to make a showing of good faith and agreed to a deal within the Rockies’ payroll structure,
I wonder what the contract is?
by 3nS on Feb 6, 2012 8:32 AM MST up reply actions
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by Shoemaker on Feb 6, 2012 8:26 AM MST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
I don't know if you know how this works yet
I write a thing, the Rockies contradict me within 24 hours.
I should have been writing about them never ever trading for Matt Kemp.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2012 8:45 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
it's a gift, really.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2012 10:36 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Barmes, Bullpen
Who else did you do that too?
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by Purple Row Troll on Feb 6, 2012 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
OOH, Dave Cameron hates the move for the Rockies.
Don’t everyone show their shock all at once.
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by Muzia on Feb 6, 2012 8:30 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
But what does Keith Law think?
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Once it filters up to him, he'll hate it.
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Cameron's solution? Move the team out of Denver.
Eventually, though, the Rockies are going to have to realize that it’s not the pitchers, it’s the park.
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the Rockies will never win a Pennant at Coors Field
the Mariners are in great shape though
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 8:38 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
especially since they landed prince fielder
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2012 8:46 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
they could have gotten Votto For Pineda
but not Lawrie so they settled for Montero
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 8:47 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
exactly
see, the Mariners are set.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2012 8:57 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Easy now
The Mariners were giving up Pineda PLUS in that deal. The plus makes all the difference.
Easily Cameron’s dumbest, most homerific article since the time he suggested John Danks (then 3 years away from free agency) could be had for a case of new bats and a few gift cards to the Mariners team store.
Wait, what's his real name? We should make a joke out of that.
by BrandonHawpe on Feb 6, 2012 11:04 AM MST up reply actions
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2012 8:45 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
To an extent, he's correct
When you’re in a park that tends to give up lots of hits or HRs (Coors is not the only one like this, it’s just amplified by the altitude), you want to reduce the amount of people who a) make contact, and b) get on base.
He pulls a bit of a switch at the end of the article by talking about GB rate (though a higher GB rate should result in a lower BABIP for a pitcher). What he suggests in the beginning is that the Rockies should ignore “hittability” and focus on acquiring high strikeout/low walk pitchers, which is the type most likely to accomplish (a) and (b).
Given that Hammel’s career strikeout rate is .7 higher than Guthrie’s, and was significantly higher in 2009-10, and that his K/BB rates in 2009-10 were superior to any point in Guthrie’s career, this trade doesn’t fit the mold.
That's a cop out.
Everyone wants high K/low BB pitchers. They don’t grow on trees. You have to look deeper than that. The FO is doing it.
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Sorry, I got caught up at work
but the below comment explains why Cameron’s post relies on flawed logic. He has no idea whether the Rox ignored bad luck on BABIP because he didn’t have bad luck relative to previous years (it was quite good, actually).
I don’t hate this trade at all. I don’t necessarily understand it, except that the salaries worked and we acquired a marginally better SP. However, the point remains that over the last three years Hammel’s cumulative K/BB ratio (2.32) is better than Guthrie’s (2.04).
That difference may be marginalized by Guthrie’s health because a Hammel replacement for 4-5 starts per year is likely to be a drop off in that category, thus neutralizing the difference between the two SPs.
Looking at the last three years is a bit of a mirage though.
Hammel’s 2009 isn’t exactly a reliable indicator of his future performance and skews his stats quite a bit.
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I think we've had the discussion about using samples to indicate recent history
I used four once to skew the stats my way, and rightfully was called out on it. Three seems like a reasonable standard, not only because it’s commonly used but because Hammel really was a different pitcher after coming to Colorado. I’d cite his control as pretty good evidence of that.
It's ok.
You just have to admit that the chances him performing at a 2010/2011 level are much higher than the chances of him performing at a 2009 level.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Feb 6, 2012 10:04 AM MST up reply actions
However, his whole article is undermined by Hammel's past BABIP rates
Basically, Cameron’s argument is that the Rockies are teh stupid because Hammel suffered from bad luck on balls in play with men on and runners in scoring position. STUPID DOG!
To support this, he cites Hammel’s BABIPs last year:
Bases empty: .272, Runners on: .291, RISP: .300.
But if you look back at Hammel’s BABIP splits from previous seasons, you see that he recorded a .338 and .339 BABIP with runners on, and .329 and .296 with RISP, in 2009 and 2010.
I don’t understand Cameron’s point because Hammel’s 2011 BABIP had little to do with his rough ERA or disappointing FIP.
So, Cameron’s article is pretty poorly thought out. He may be right in a general sense about limiting contact, but his reasoning in this instance is poor and inaccurate.
That 2009 Staff was amazing Ubaldo, Delarosa, Hammel, and Marquis all were top 25
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 9:11 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I don't like this move either
We gave up 2 decent players for just an innings eater. Its just net loss for us. If it was just Hammel and trash prospect then I would be happy, but adding Lindstrom I don’t like
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by Colsportsfan on Feb 6, 2012 11:13 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Rockies come out behind in this trade, but ahead for the team as far as 2012, if that makes any sense.
Like a lot of people here, I think the inclusion of Lindstrom tilts the trade itself to a slight win for the Orioles, but since I think that Guthrie is of greater value than Hammel, and that Lindstrom is more or less replaceable in his production, it works out to be a net positive for the Rockies this year.
by Rox Girl on Feb 6, 2012 8:37 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
What's your opinion on this
That neither Hammel or Lindstrom was in the Rockies plans for 2013. While competing this year with the older experienced players setting an example for the younger ones, the Rockies are making a smoother transition to the future when the young players move up. If Guthrie plays only 1 year Colorado will have 8.2 million freed up next offseason to pursue a piece of the 2013 puzzle.
by 3nS on Feb 6, 2012 8:45 AM MST up reply actions
Pretty much my thought as well.
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I actually wonder if the plan is to try and hold on to Guthrie for longer than one season.
His agent’s use of the “good faith” term is curious to me. Good faith in what, exactly? I can only think that there’s been an indication that Guthrie’s a guy that the organization wants to keep around.
Chacin
Guthrie
Nicasio
Pomeranz
plus whoever steps up from the rest of the prospect crowd.
What's DLR's ETA?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 8:52 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Later this season.
He’d make sense for that other slot if healthy, obviously. It would make a more veteran rotation, and one that may be just good enough for the playoffs.
Not to pimp my writing,
but if you look at pitching in the context of quality inning production as I did here, then this is a very important upgrade for us.
I don’t have time to redo the math at the moment, but this move greatly improves our amount of reliable quality innings.
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Really, Hammel was the weakest link here with the most expected of him in order for us to do well.
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170+ innings and a semi-reliable setup guy
for a 200 ip last 3 years against AL East lineups with probably not so stellar defense.
With all the young pitchers in the wings, Lindstrom is replaceable, and as much as I liked Hammel, reliability in your #2 is huge. And we did not have that at all in the plans until now.
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
How will the FA compensation system work next off-season?
If he nets a supplemental round pick, that’s pretty good.
What's the rotation in 2013?
Do you go with JDLR or Guthrie or both?
by 3nS on Feb 6, 2012 9:08 AM MST up reply actions
DLR will be here in 2013. I cannot see a scenario where he turns down his player option.
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He comes back in June
and pitches under 2 ERA and wins a world series MVP? I think he may turn it down then.
I don't care if he doesn't
we just won the WS.
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this is possible I suppose
but I think he would have to perform very well in the 2nd half to motivate a team to feel good about giving up talent and adding 11mil to their payroll. then to motivate the Rockies to deal him in spite of his 2nd half success, there would need to be strong reason to believe White/Bettis/Chatwood could replace him full time acceptably.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 9:17 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
There is also the possibility that two or three of our young arms pitch
well enough to make Guthrie and maybe even DLR trade bait at this deadline
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Rosenthal actually suggested this very idea, saying the Rockies could likely trade Guthrie at the deadline for a much better return than they gave Baltimore.
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Suggesting our season would be over by the deadline?
Hope we aren’t sellers this year now.
I don’t think we are WS contenders but I think this move helps further solidify this team and should keep us in the WC and maybe even NL West hunt.
No, suggesting that Pom, White, etc had taken control of a rotation spot and making Guthrie expendable via trade for value.
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Not saying that selling Gutrie means we are out of it, just that DLR is
back healthy and Chacin, Nicasio, and White are pitching well and Pom, Chatwood and Bettis are tearing up Tulsa. why pay the 4+ million to Guthrie if the other three are doing well
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Guthrie provides innings. The others are young and still working their ways towards bigger workloads.
Right but there are 6 of them 7 if you include DLR
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I much prefer consistency.
I don’t think playing musical chairs is the way to build a rotation if you don’t have to.
Every pitcher I just named could easily be
a better pitcher in 2012 than Guthrie has been 2007-11
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A better way to talk about consistency is:
Pitcher A can give 27-30 starts per year, but is a lock for 4 or 5 games on the DL.
Pitcher B always makes 32 starts at a slightly lower level of production than pitcher A.
Pitcher C is called up to make 4 or 5 starts while Pitcher A is on the DL.
More often you’re going to end up with an Esmil Rogers as pitcher C than David Price, which makes Pitcher B’s durability a valuable commodity that evens his value with Pitcher A.
I'm not sure Hammel would've been around past 2012 anyway
Another season like last one & he’d be gone, with younger arms to replace him, and zero trade value. So we got something for him, at least — 1 year of Guthrie during a year when JDLR is only a part-timer and the young guns are presumably still improving.
Lindstrom, while he had a good 2011, is (a) oft-injured, and (b) not well-suited for Coors Field, I don’t think. One of 3 things was likely to happen to him in 2012: (1) he repeats 2011, and he becomes very expensive in 2013 for a non-closer bullpen arm, (2) he regresses, or (3) he gets hurt. With Betancourt & Belisle extended, and Reynolds/Brothers/Bettis in the wings, I doubt Lindstrom was going to be with the Rockies in 2013 anyway.
So I think this should be regarded as a 1-year deal all-around. Guthrie fills a unique 1-year need for the Rockies. I like the deal for the Rockies. I wouldn’t for other teams.
by maris61 on Feb 6, 2012 8:48 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
way too many reactions in A vacuum. trades aren’t player for player as much as roster for roster. most often they are the same or comparable, but obviously not this one. a 4th reliever isn’t so tough to replace.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 8:49 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Depends on if Hammel is 2009-10 Hammel or 2011 Hammel
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Pretty much my feeling as well...
Upside and years of control fall to Baltimore in this one, but I think Guthrie is more of a sure thing and Lindstrom can be replaced for a lot less than his salary.
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It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
As odd as this sounds, I think it's right on
This is the kind of move that is really representative of the whole off-season. The team is building a bridge to 2013 while still keeping the window open on 2012. If Guthrie throws 200+ innings this year, I think that actually helps the bullpen more than bringing Lindstrom back. And if it doesn’t work out, well, you save $9m next year and can find a piece that does. The move isn’t all that exciting, but the farm is still completely intact and the 25 man looks a little better today than it did yesterday. Overall, I kind of like this off-season.
Where does this 2013 savings come from?
If Hammel is unwanted, he could have been traded or non-tendered after this season. Lindstrom could be bought out for $200k. So, the savings is $200k. Is this wrong?
by deacs on Feb 6, 2012 5:09 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
No, you're not wrong
At least, not that I’m aware of. I’m haven’t taken a look to see what Lindstrom’s deal for next year is, but you’re right on Hammel and Guthrie. All I’m saying is, if Guthrie doesn’t work out, you can move on relatively painlessly. It’s a nice low-risk move that could provide a lift to this year’s team without having any real negative consequences down the line.
I like this move
We got our innings eater!
And when he’s on his game Guthrie is a nice, solid middle of the rotation piece.
So we traded Hammel for a Hammel clone
who is “more duruable” but also more expensive, and had to throw in Lidstrom as well? Color me unimpressed
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Explain how he's a Hammel clone.
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I think both pitchers are similar but Guthrie's more of a sure thing.
After Hammel faded down the stretch in ‘10 and wasn’t good through most of ‘11 it’s hard to know what we’d get in 2012. Guthrie will likely eat 200 innings and give us a 2.9 BB/9 and 5.5 SO/9. Hammel, whom I’ve always liked is a lesser-know quantity.
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Similar stuff, and as for stats, pick your favorite metric
Hammel’s last 3 years
09 era 4.33, era + 109, whip 1.387, K/9 6.8, WAR 1.8
10 4.81, 96, 1.396, 7.1, 1.7
11 4.76, 94, 1.427, 5.0, 2.0
Guthrie
09 5.04, 90, 1.420, 5.0, 1.7
10 3.83, 110, 1.161, 5.1, 4.3
11 4.33, 95, 1.341, 5.6, 2.9
by blake street beer on Feb 6, 2012 9:12 AM MST up reply actions
So...
8.9 WAR for Guthrie and 5.5 for Hammel. Sounds like Guthrie’s an upgrade.
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by EmersonCR on Feb 6, 2012 10:32 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
If you don't consider his 2010 season to be an outlier
which, for his career, it certainly has been. I would love to see him repeat it, but I don’t expect it
by blake street beer on Feb 6, 2012 10:34 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
that's because they are both on the extreme ends of the ERA/FIP spectrum
for the sample size we are talking (700-1000 IP), I prefer rWAR
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 10:41 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Definitely don't disagree
just adding in the other half for some color. Like you said below, this is a fascinating trade from a SABR point of view.
Good point. I didn't have the fWAR numbers handy
Either way, it reinforces my believe that they are quite similar. The question becomes how much added value does Guthrie’s extra innings provide? (assuming, of course, he does it again in 2012) and what, if any, difference will moving from the AL East to the NL West provide in the numbers.
Are both of these enough to give up Lidstrom? I guess we’ll find out
by blake street beer on Feb 6, 2012 11:03 AM MST up reply actions
I've mentioned this in other spots
but Guthrie’s extra innings could mean a lot or a little depending on who fills in for the lost innings. If it’s a well below average pitcher – like Rogers was last year – Guthrie pitching 200 innings, even at a little below Hammel’s production, is a huge win.
think of it like this
guthrie is coming from the AL east and a not good defense to the NL west and a good defense
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I was going to ask if their defense is really that bad, but
aside from Hardy they really were a poor defensive team.
If you were looking for a move that knocks your socks off
This certainly is not it. But, I think it will net out just fine for the Rockies. I don’t necessarily like losing Lindstrom, but get more reliable starting pitcher innings will make the entire bullpen better over the course of six months.
by Northsider1964 on Feb 6, 2012 8:58 AM MST up reply actions
FINALLY got that 200-inning pitcher you've been wanting eh?
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Maybe not exactly the one that I wanted
But certainly a guy who’s shown some durability. I was okay with Lindstrom, but feel the bullpen will be fine without him as long as they aren’t worked like rented mules. And if they are worked like rented mules, Lindstrom wasn’t going to be that much help anyway.
by Northsider1964 on Feb 6, 2012 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
Clone?
Guthrie threw 617.1 innings over the last 3 years in the AL East
Hammel threw 523.5 innings over the last 3 years.
I will be shocked if anyone is crowing for Hammel over Guthrie in 6 months…
Roster Flexibility
Let’s not overlook the fact that it frees up a spot on both the 40-man and active rosters.
We are taking a bit of a gamble dealing him Pre-ST, but were not giving Hammel a chance to blow any value by having a poor ST. If we wait we most likely will be hamstrung come the end of March when we have a full roster and no leverage to move anyone.
We have potential bullpen replacements for Lindstrum and now roster flexibility that may be hard to put a value on.
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by jlot10 on Feb 6, 2012 8:41 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
We now have two, really.
DLR to the 60 frees up another.
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by Greg Stanwood on Feb 6, 2012 3:42 PM MST up reply actions
Love it
this puts Rox in much better position to contend in the division this year. Hammel is one of those situations that I dont care what the stats say… he is just not good enough. And even if you think he is comparable to Guthrie the inconsistency of Hammel drove me crazy over the last few years.
I think the pen will be fine sans Lindstrom as well, makes the Slowey/Putnam deal look like it was done with the thought of disposing Lindstrom in mind.
and 40 man move is big here
Oh boy. SDCat is going to have kittens over this one.
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I think Hammel + Linstrom = Guthrie
Sort of. Depends on what Hammel does next year. I wish him well in Balto – hope the change of scenery does him good.
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but now. He can't show off that home run power.
Until interleague that is. Well, he’s back where he started. The AL East
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I'm sure Hammel is THRILLED to be back in the AL East
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 9:02 AM MST via Android app reply actions
Meh, that division isn't what it once was.
Both the Sox and Yanks are talking about getting back under the luxury tax. Plus things will even out scedule-wise in 2013.
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Yeah, I wouldn't be scared facing a lineup with
A-Rod, Tex, Granderson, Swisher, Cano, et al. Or, Bautista, Lawrie, Lind, and Johnson. Or, Pedroia, Ortiz, AGonzalez, Youkilis, and Ellsbury.
It’s a pretty good division, and he doesn’t get to face the worst team in it.
Sure, but apart from those guys...
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and he doensn
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and he doesn't have the benefits of longoria, zobrist, upton, et al behind him this time
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One very important aspect we are forgetting
we have added one very good twitter account to the organization. Guthrie has to be worth at least 5 or 6 TAR per year, right.
and he's one fierce sneaker-head.
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And now O'Dowd is done.
He got his 3b til Arenado, he got his 2b until Rutledge. Got rid of Smith, Ianetta, Stew, and filled up our lack of SP depth remarkably well, and now he got the innings eater. Exactly what he set out to do. I tip my hat to him, whether or not it all works out, he actually got pretty good deals this year and didn’t give up on what he set out to do.
The O’Dowd Abides.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Feb 6, 2012 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
Hell
I’m still not convinced we are done. I still expect EY to be shipped off soon. Hell, we can send EY along with a spare pitcher or two and pick up Niese.
Niese? Really? Gag.
I’ll pass. that’s all I’m saying on that.
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Read 2nd line of post. Nothing else to say. No reasoning.
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Its simple. I don't want to see him on this team. He sucks with the Mets.
Put him in Coors, and then he would have more suck than a Hoover.
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except its not that simple
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 9:29 AM MST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, I will be willing to look at stats(or try anyways) on him.
If someone can convince me that Niese would be decent in Coors. I may change my mind. Looked at Fangraphs and that was all I needed to see.
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I probably want Niese more than anyone else here
But the cost is going to be prohibitive, not EY and spare parts. Any type of deal will start with Rosario.
They may bite on Story or Herrera
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I'm a bit too high on Story's potential
to advocate trading him yet.
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I wouldn't do it yet either, but if Niese was the answer i would cough him up
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Plus, we can't trade Story yet.
Not until a year from when he signed. And I wouldn/t trade him for Niese either, I don’t think.
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I think this a a great succinct summary of the offseason,
well put… whether one agrees and whether it works out are separate, but hey, i think we have to say he accomplished what he wanted. I like it myself.
i forgot to mention
that he also signed a larger free agent for multiple years, which hasn’t been done for a while and was compared by some as the first buy-in since neagle/hampton. I would’ve preferred Willingham, but O’Dowd did what he had to do and completely reversed last year, trying to rebuild the team, the franchise, and the fan’s expectations. Now the team rests on his shoulders. Thanks for the kudos.
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From what I’m reading and learning (see what I did there) about Jeremy Guthrie – I think the Rockies just got the pitching version of Michael Cuddyer. Not a transformative talent, but a good, steady contributor, a tough competitor, and one hell of a human being.
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Clay Rapada was cut to make room for Lindstrom
every time I hear a “well he is a major league manager so he probaby knows something you don’t” I think of guys like Rapada
Clay Rapada Career Splits
Against RHH .359/.474/.692 95PA 6-2B 1-3B 6-HR 8K/17BB
Against LHH .153/.252/.220 136PA 2-2B 0-3B 2-HR 36K/15BB
2011 Splits
Against RHH .692/.750/1.462 16PA
Against LHH .104 .170 .167 53PA
WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING FACING ANY RHH!!!!!
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This sounds like someone Jim Tracy could get along with.
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If anyone has "perfect LOOGY" written all over him it's this guy
in say a Beimel role he could be nasty
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If nothing else, doesn't this move fire you all up for opening day?
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THIS! REC'D
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which i just managed to get off 2 hours ago
and will need tickets immediately.
Staring out the window, waiting for spring.
i'm so excited now
it’s a little ridiculous
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it kind of feels like it
it’s very irrational for me to be as happy as i am right now, as my personal life has kind of tanked in the past week. but, that’s just the magic of baseball i guess
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he had a similar take on the scutaro trade did he not?
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dont ever post here
but im super stoked w got Guthrie. hes one of my favorite players in the league.
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I like him, and think trading for him was a good Idea just makes more sense if Hammel
is still on the team
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We've got a glut of starting pitching candidates
and Hammel is extremely replaceable. I’m not sure why this trade makes more sense if we keep Hammel and deal somebody else?
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by Junction Rox on Feb 6, 2012 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
because this move means we are trying to compete in 2012
if Hammel is on the team we are more likely to compete, not by a lot but certainly more likely
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Maybe a very marginal chance
but I think it’s more likely if Hammel was still on the roster with the Guthrie addition, he wouldn’t make the rotation. I would rather not give away higher upside prospects it would have taken to replace him just so he could be the 6th or 7th guy in the bullpen.
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by Junction Rox on Feb 6, 2012 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
Well it would give us 3-4 pretty sure to sure things for 170+ innings
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So who would you have given up
to get Guthrie and keep Hammel?
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by Junction Rox on Feb 6, 2012 10:56 AM MST up reply actions
Probably Moscoso+Lindstrom+ maybe Nelson or Herrera
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I could live with that too
but I’m not sure our competitiveness changes much one way or the other…
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by Junction Rox on Feb 6, 2012 11:31 AM MST up reply actions
I would bet Guthrie is better in 2012 Coors field than Moscoso
Ditto Hammel
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Well that
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Color me bummed but unsurprised.
He’s from RI so maybe he’ll be happier back east again. I hate having to find new favorite players. Bleh
Greg is gonna be sad too methinks :(
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pure speculation here
While Hammel is a great go-to quote guy for reporters and all-around nice dude, I’m thinking the rox were worried about his health issues (I can’t remember what specific malady he has right now) that has apparently affected his durability.
Lindstrom is somewhat wild (understatement) and throws a lot of stuff in the dirt —making him not ideal for a close game in CF where a walk, a couple wild pitches and a double in the gap can lose the game quicker than you can exclaim ‘son of a…’
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Maybe he needs to go on a vegan Diet.
According to the Vegan Zelots, an ounce of fish has the same amount of cholesterol as an ounce of red meat.
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It might.
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Guthrie should fit in well in Denver
he likes to bike to the stadium. hes very green.
and hes a huge sneakerhead like me! LOL.
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Didn't Ubaldo used to walk to the stadium?
He lived close by I believe.
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He lives in Utah
Denver is a shorter drive to work.
by 3nS on Feb 6, 2012 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
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I think he put that up when he heard
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What, not Tebow?
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He posted a pic of himself Tebowing
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Called it his new strikeout celebration
I lol’d…
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by Junction Rox on Feb 6, 2012 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
I love this guy already.
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@JGuthrie46
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Seems like a pretty good move
I was never quite able to give up on Hammel but this is the kind of move I was expecting all offseason. As someone said above, at least give DOD credit for having some moves in mind and executing them. Now hopefully he knew what he was doing.
this trade is fascinating from a SABR standpoint.
career stats:
Guthrie: 1020.1 IP, 4.19 ERA, 4.68 FIP, 4.61 xFIP, .273 BABIP
Hammel: 732 IP, 4.99 ERA, 4.38 FIP, 4.27 xFIP, .314 BABIP.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 10:01 AM MST via Android app reply actions
man oh man
don’t understand this trade one bit… i could see hammel for guthrie straight up or even Hammel and a pick for Guthrie but now your 8th inning guy? hmmm not so sure bout that… Guthrie better pitch better than his 7-18 record last year… it is surprising that a 7-18 record could net you 8 mil… lucky dude that man is
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It’s almost like people understand that your win-loss record really doesn’t mean dick when you put it in it’s proper context.
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by Franchise26 on Feb 6, 2012 10:17 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
yeaaa
well Guthrie is still garbage… not much of an upgrade over Hammel if at all.. I honestly think he is an upgrade over Hammel because Hammel is really just awful
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 10:21 AM MST up reply actions
8-10
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 10:22 AM MST up reply actions
yea
look at AJ Burnettes record… you think Guthrie is a better pitcher than AJ Burnette? Im a Sox fan… i have seen Guthrie pitch many times… have you? (unless your an Oriols fan or like another team out East)
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 10:25 AM MST up reply actions
I think that Guthrie has been a better pitcher than AJ Burnett for the past two years, yes.
And most statistics will back me up on this.
fair enough
hopeflly he pans out in colorado… according to your stats what do you see his record in colorado being?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
projecting W-L is kind of a fool's errand
its impossible to know which pitcher will get 3 runs of suppori on average and which ones get 6. if things break right, he should clear ten wins with ease
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 10:43 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
will he win more games
than he loses?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 12:06 PM MST up reply actions
Wrong question
Right question: Will he pitch well enough to put the team in a position to win more games than they lose when he starts?
AJ Burnett was 11-11 last year with a 5.15 ERA
Guthrie’s ERA was closer to Ivan Nova than Burneit.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 10:28 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
im not a huge fan of Lindstrom
he doesn t have good control and i think his fastball is too flat. JMO though. i dont follow baseball closely so i have no clue wat all these stats are, that are being thrown out.
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advanced stats
that are supposed to help you value players more… i like to value players based on traditional stats and my own opinion… people hate it around here but it is what it is.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
We don't hate how you choose to value players.
We dislike that you make statements like
Guthrie better pitch better than his 7-18 record last year
to evaluate a trade, when a pitcher’s win-loss record does very little to reflect their actual pitching talent.
fair enough
thats just my own opinion tho… if you don’t like what i have to say then just dont read what i write…. i feel pretty confident with just about everything i say about sports… I feel much more confident about talking puck and hoops but im still very confident with my baseball knowledge after playing the game for over 15 years and watching it for over 15 years… im a Sox fan and I believe I have probably seen Guthrie throw more than most of the people who talk on this site so I thought i’d drop by. Everytime I come to this blog someone calls me an idiot or disrespects me so im used to it by now but like i said.. just don;t read my stuff man. And if your sooooo confident and think im such a tard put your money where your mouth is and throw out a bet…. people on here know im good for it… ask SDCat. If not it was nice chattin with ya.
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
wow
This post is practically a parody of itself. Look, I haven’t been on the Row forever, but this is the first timr I’ve seen someone claim they knew baseball better than everyone else. It’s not the stats that rub me the wrong way, it’s the attitude.
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by EmersonCR on Feb 6, 2012 10:45 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
im not claiming i know more than any
of you but when i get attacked im gonna defend myself
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
we're not attacking, we're just pointing out that your defenses are faulty
Pitching Wins is in no way a reliable tool for judging pitchers talent. It is far too dependent on run support. See my posts below to show this.
And you have already admitted IN THIS THREAD that there may be biases when you watch games yourself. You claim that Brothers gives up way too many HRs based on what you saw. Yet he only gave up 4 last year. Unless you are able to watch every single game, youre going to be biased towards the small sample that you do watch.
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Psh
Felix sucks – the Mariners should trade him to us for PTBNL cuz he loses all the time
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 6, 2012 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
if Brothers steps up
I hope the kid does… didn’t show much last year other than long balls
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, Brothers really wasn’t that impressive except for the 13 batters per nine innings that he struck out. Or 59 K in 40 innings, if that’s too ‘sabermetric-y’ for you.
I don’t say this lightly, and it doesn’t make you a bad person, but you really don’t seem to know what you’re talking about.
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i remember
watching him give up the long ball several times.. i remember he throws extremely hard and has some control issues but looks like he could be a freak in this league
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
Memory is flawed
and if you are of the mindset that he is a bad pitcher, you’re just going to remember the bad things he did.
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Well, he did go 1-2 last year, so he obviously blows.
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by Franchise26 on Feb 6, 2012 10:31 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
guess ill have to pay attention
more this year then =)
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
i literally did
no joke haha
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
Lindstrom isn't the 8th inning guy
he was at best 4th out of the Pen
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 10:22 AM MST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
hmm
I thought ever since betencourt was named the starter once Huston went down and eventually traded that Lindstrom was the 8th inning guy… my bad
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
I think Rex and Belisle are more regarded by the team
its just that Lindstrom was Betancourt’s backup due to “closer experience.” I’m a big believer in Brothers, myself, so losing Lindstrom doesn’t break my heart
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 10:26 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
im sure the Rox will be fine
without Lindstrom and I hope Brothers takes that step as well… a 100 MPH thrower out of the pen would be sweet to see
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 10:27 AM MST up reply actions
Betty will close, of course
then probably Brothers and Belisle as the 8th and 7th inning guys. Reynolds will have one of the other slots, then guys like Putnam and Escalona will compete with some of the casualties of the rotation wars for the last couple spots. With the pitching glut they’ve created, opening another spot on the major league staff may actually be a side benefit of this deal…
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by Junction Rox on Feb 6, 2012 10:27 AM MST up reply actions
nice
have no idea who the youngsters are but that sounds excititing! I like seeing new faces!
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 10:28 AM MST up reply actions
he was very good last year, but he gave up 10 HR
that is more than likely a great deal flukey, but if he keeps it in the park, he’s a fine piece
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 10:32 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
He is actually pretty effective against RHP
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Wut? Must you make me post this argument again?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 6, 2012 3:56 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
my bad
guess hes better against righties. i guess a more appropriate title for him is, hes a great situational pitcher for Tracy. though it seemed like he started to get hammered at some points last season, particularly at the end.
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You are aware you can't trade picks in baseball, right?
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did not know that
can you trade them on draft day… pick for pick after the pick is selected or is there a process you have to go through first?
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 10:37 AM MST up reply actions
No.
It was discussed during CBA negotiations, we are told but it didn’t happen. Would make the MLB draft more fun in my opinion but I don’t get a vote.
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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Teams have to wait a year (from signing the pick, I believe) before the player can be traded.
This happened a couple of years ago during a trade, but I can’t remember which one. The player was called a PTBNL because he hadn’t been with the team for a full year following the draft.
Pomeranz was such a case.
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gotcha
thanks for the info
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by NastyNessy71 on Feb 6, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
Only in fantasy you can!
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I am going to use "stats" that I think you'll understand to show why pitching wins is stupid
In 2011 Guthrie pitched in 10 games where his team provided 0-2 runs of support and 10 games where they provided 6+ runs of support.
0-2 Runs Support: 1-9 W/L record, 3.9 ERA, 1.224 WHIP, 62 Hits given Up, 45 Ks, 20 BBs in 67 Innings Pitched
6+ Runs Support: 6-0 W/L record, 3.84 ERA, 1.264 WHIP, 67 Hits given Up, 44 Ks, 16 BBs in 65.2 Innings Pitched.
Practically the same pitcher in both samples yet in one he was 1-9 and in the other 6-0. Please stop using Win/Loss record as the ultimate thing in judging a pitcher.
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His 2010 numbers are even more evidence against pitching wins telling any sort of story
0-2 Runs Support: 2-6 W/L record, 2.52 ERA, 0.979 WHIP, 52 Hits given Up, 37 Ks, 11 BBs in 64 Innings Pitched
6+ Runs Support: 4-0 W/L record, 3.51 ERA, 0.999 WHIP, 25 Hits give Up, 20 Ks, 8 BBs in 33.1 Innings Pitched
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Use the same logic with Chacin
1-9 when Rockies score 2 or less and 7-0 when they score 6 or more and Chacin got the decision
But wait we are talking Jason Hammel was 1-4 in games when Rockies scored 2 or less and 3-4 when they scored 6.
so lets not talk about pitching wins!
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I agree
but I did think it was interesting that Hammel had a losing record even when he got good run support.
he was pretty bad last year despite any run support he got
I had the feeling Hammel was going to bounce back to his 2010 level but even if he did, I still like Guthrie over him and its not entirely possible that he would bounceback.
Just for s&g, Hammel in 2010
0-2 Run support: 2-5 3.93 ERA
6+ Run support: 5-1 5.49 ERA
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He was pitching to the score
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As an interesting and comedic aside:
My pops watched guthrie pitch last spring on Opening Day against the Rays – he said Guthrie was the best pitcher he ever saw pitch live. Man did I mock him (in a family way).
Just looked up the game line from that game:
8 IP/0ER/3H/6K’s/1BB … Best pitcher ever!
I’ll take that every day and twice on Sundays.
He's a Rockies pitcher now so he'll probably be terrible on Sundays
But hopefully that was just a 2011 thing
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Like the trade...
just hope Stanford product Guthrie works out better than Rockies’ previous pitchers from there…
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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 6, 2012 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
MLB or Bizarro MLB?
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In Bizarro MLB
Greg Reynolds has won multiple Cy Old awards and Evan Longoria blew out his knee 50 times in the first week of spring training ’08.
by sasperilla_pete on Feb 6, 2012 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
And Timmy just says no?
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Says yes while on the mound.
Comedy ensues.
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Players are scrutinized for lack of juicing.
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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 6, 2012 10:59 AM MST up reply actions
Jim Tracy fired...
for being too much of a hard ass.
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Billy Beane takes the Red Sox GM job
Fails there miserably, and Sabermetrics are dismissed completely.
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The Chicago
Cubs win 75 World Series.
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against Miami. There will be some realignment in 2014.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Feb 6, 2012 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
That's
because it’s Florida, not California, that has a fault line that will separate it from the continent. On Dec. 22, 2012, Florida will no longer be part of the continental U.S., declare secession and ask to be the Florida Baseball League. They will be added as MLB’s third league.
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Along with San Juan, Havana, and Equipo Dominicana.
Havana is added after Cuba’s right-wing government is replaced by socialist former exiles from Miami.
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The Old York Confederates
continue their century-plus downward spiral, mostly due to financial constraints.
by sasperilla_pete on Feb 6, 2012 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
Pittsburgh Pirates...
pay more in luxury tax than half of the league spends on their entire rosters.
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The Orioles
Are 12 time AL East Champions.
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Alanna Rizzo
Struggles to find her niche at ROOT Sports, and ends up with a local weekend TV gig in North Platte, Neb.
Meanwhile, Mark Stout is gobbled up by MLB Network as an up-and-coming studio host.
by Northsider1964 on Feb 6, 2012 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa team up together
And create a dietary supplement company supplying HGH to the MLB.
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Barry Bonds...
wins Sportsman of the year and Clemente awards left and right. Nah, even in the Bizarro world, Bonds is an a**hole.
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by Since1993 on Feb 6, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
They are also 27 time World Champions
because the Yankees are actually the second version of the Orioles, relocated to New York.
The first version of the Orioles became the Dodgers.
Holliday never touches the plate.
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by Roxman on Feb 6, 2012 2:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Love the trade partially cause I have a huge annoyance with Hammel, but 200+ innings from a veteran who has had a few sub 4 ERA seasons in the AL is fine with me. I liked Lindstrom, but overall I like the trade and should see Guthrie at the 2nd or third spot in the rotation (Chacin, Guthrie, Pomz, Moscoso,Moyer anyone?)
Playoffs...playoffs.....playoffs....playoffs!?
Chacin, Nicasio, Guthrie, White, Pomeranz?
IDK
I like Chacin, Nicasio, Guthrie. Pomeranz, Outman better. Split up the likely inconsistent young guys with more veteran guys.
Damn...
Always forget about Nicasio for some reason. I like him at the number 3 spot behind Guthrie… so revised: Chacin, Guthrie, Nicasio, Pomz, and Moyer/Moscoso
Playoffs...playoffs.....playoffs....playoffs!?
by avsfanatic33 on Feb 6, 2012 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
when does JDLR return?
i also like Nicasio whenever he returns.
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Deja vu.
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by DumbAndNerdy on Feb 6, 2012 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
The last I heard from Renck was late April
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wat
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 11:28 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I asked him in December when to expect DLR back he said late April
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posted here also
129 mlb relievers threw 50 innings or more in 2011. of those, Lindstrom’s K rate ranked 110th
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 11:42 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Late May, early June is the ETA
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You're probably thinking about when DLR will be ready to begin throwing in preparation for his return.
He won’t actually be ready to rehab until May, and probably not ready for MLB return until June.
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by Greg Stanwood on Feb 6, 2012 3:55 PM MST up reply actions
I also think Guthrie stabilizes a young rotation a lot better than Hammel does.
He’ll be less up-and-down. Maybe the kids can learn from him as well.
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Not to pick on you, but...
I never know what to make of these claims. If you look at game logs from last year, Guthrie was just as likely to throw in a dump of a game as Hammel.
Noticed that
only 16/32 quality starts but 2010 numbers were pretty good. Maybe Rockies are counting on 2010 to be a more likely barometer of what Guthrie can do.
Veteranieness?
And I’m moderately serious here. Certainly Guth’s lost his share but he’s been at it longer and with the rest of the staff under 25… I’m just speculating here.
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Sure, just throwing it out there.
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I actually wonder if the team thinks that Hammel can't get back to '09-10 levels?
If there’s something wrong with him physically?
Since I've been covering basketball, I've been preoccupied and I depend on you guys to educate me
This trade seems odd, just for the inclusion of Lindstrom…I have no issue with them trading Hammel…So in the initial analysis is this trade a “net loss for future gain” trade? Or do the Rockies value Guthrie that much?
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Plus I think a bit more consistency than Hammel. Otherwise, it’s hard to call this one a win but also not easy to damn it as a loss. If you really liked Linstrom, of course, you hated ithe trade. If you’re scratching your head, you aren’t wrong.
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Lindstrom makes the salaries even
and he was superfluous for a couple of reasons: 1) Brothers, Belisle and Betancourt can handle the back end and all have Bs starting their last names, and 2) at least one of the young arms who doesn’t make the rotation is a good bet to do well in the bullpen. Also, there’s a few folks currently in the minors that could be cheap, future replacements.
This move saves the Rockies the $200k buyout of Lindstrom’s ’13 option (if the 2012 salaries are a wash).
We go from the MattPen
to the (insert nifty word here) B’s
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by Jeffrey Morton on Feb 6, 2012 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
In a player for player vacuum it is a loss
But I think it frees up some 2013 money and more importantly it changes a question mark to a known. If Good Hammel showed up to pitch, he would be a starter. If bad Hammel showed up he would have been another bullpen arm in a crowded pen. Guthrie is a known. He is going to start 30+ games and will give a good showing in 20-25 of them.
I don't like losing Lindstrom
But if you look at the pitching staff as a whole, it’s better today than it was yesterday. If the bullpen’s running on fumes and bald tires by July, it’s going to break down with or without Lindstrom. Guthrie gives them a chance of holding up for a full season.
by Northsider1964 on Feb 6, 2012 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
My question is
can Guthrie hit the bomb?
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hes quite the athlete
so i say yes…haha but im bias.
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He'd better be athletic if he's going
to be biking from Utah to Coors on home gameday starts .
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Well, he’s no Greg Smith…
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Guthrie >>> Hammel...
I prefer consistent mediocrity to inconsistent headcases who can impress one year (or month) and fall apart the next year. In short, I trust Guthrie more than I do Jason. We know what we are likely to get.
But the best news is we may get better than Guthrie has produced heretofore. His mediocre record was against fearsome AL East competiton. Replace Yankees, RedSox, Rays, and Jays with Giants, Dodgers, Padres and pitchers parks in CA, and he will shine. The Snakes will bite him, but that’s about it inside our division. No DH and no AL will help too.
Lindstrom was good but can be replaced easily with one of the young arms. Nice trade, Dan.
im hardly on PR
but my opinion of Hammel was he would look for for abour 3-4 innings every game. then have a major meltdown inning giving up like 4-6 runs in one inning then wed need to go to the pen by the 5th or 6th inning.
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Stats guys could maybe refute this but...
my memory as well.
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Or he'd blow up early and then settle in...
but he did seem especially prone to the “one bad inning” syndrome.
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"who can impress one year (or month) and fall apart the next year."
Guthrie can fit into that category.
I say that having been an advocate for Guthrie all off season.
I love this deal
We traded an extra bullpen piece and the piece that was handicapping our rotation the most for a upgrade. I’m not too worried about Guthrie’s home run tendencies, as he was A) in the AL East and B) Camden Yards is a home run friendly park, It will probably stay the same IMO. If Guthrie can come here and produce his similar 2 WAR production, keeping us in games while pitching 6 innings, our offense can take care of business, and this could have the upside of the Jason Marquis trade, even though we gave up more Guthrie.
I also think this really increases the chance of Chatwood pitching a full season out of the bullpen.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
Oh, I liked Hammel while he was here, he was a solid #4 starter
but he was always the case against fWAR, I think the club that moves him to the bullpen full time gets some real value out of him.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
i was ok with hammel, except for every 4th start when he would just goes ape shit and give up 19 runs in 1 1/3. never understood why he just lost his shit every 4 starts. oh well, im sure guthrie is the same. never like hammels body language either
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 6, 2012 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
Not only was Guthrie in the ultra-strong AL East...
but as the ace of the Orioles, he was frequently matched up against the other #1’s in the division…Sabathia, Lester, Shields, Romero, etc.
Lincecum, Kennedy, Kershaw et al. may be just as tough but NL West offenses are not comparable at all.
lincecum and kershaw… pshhhhhh weak nl west
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 6, 2012 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
I like the deal too ...
But it is kinda sad when we are hoping for 6 innings/start and using that as a definition of an innings eater.
I really want to know what Guthries stance
on sweet relish vs. dill relish on his hot dogs. Any chance we could get some Real Perspective on this trade Andrew? How about some actual journalism to what matters most to PR readers.
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what is his twitter name?
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Resisting all temptation to go there...
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So are they...so are they...
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by SDcat09 on Feb 6, 2012 12:19 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
We have a winner!
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So, it's done, then?
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Depends on what you mean by "relish"?
He relishes the opportunity to come to Coors and prove to Tracy that he is a special player on and off the field.
Sweet!
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There are no commas in hashtags.
nor are there apostrophes.
#theycallmemcgrammar
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Right
My point was, I wasn’t trying to relive the popular “Stop, Hammel time” meme.
Rather, I was all for stopping Hammel time for good.
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What if we somehow acquire Cole Hamels?
Now what’re you gonna say?
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Of the 13 Pitchers that started for Rockies last year, 6 are left
Chacin 27 games, Rogers 13, Nicasio 13, JDLR 10, White 7, Pomeranz 4. 74 of 162
Posted this on the other thread ...
But SweetSpot loves us:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/20568/jeremy-guthrie-nice-pickup-for-rockies
As does Bowden:
JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN
Rockies save $300,000 and get Guthrie for demoted starter Hammel & Lindstrom? O’Dowd continues GM winning streak this off-season..impressive
about 2 hours ago
As does Boone:
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Rockies quietly having good winter. Guthrie should do well in NL West. Remember De La Rosa should be back by midseason too.
about an hour ago
Kahrl on Lindstrom:
ChristinaKahrl Christina Kahrl
@closernews Everybody makes that mistake with Lindstrom until they have him; now in his 30s, K% way below average.
Also on SweetSpot - O/U on Tulo's HR's - 30.5
I know recent history is against me on this but I see Tulo having a fully healthy season and would bet the over
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He will definitely have more than -30.5 homers
I virtually guarantee it…
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I wonder what the rotation ends up as
Chacin-Guthrie-Pomeranz-Nicasio-and the victor of Moscoso/White is my guess, with the 3 bullpen spots going to Chatwood, Rogers, and Outman.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
My Guess is
Guthrie-Chacin-Pom-Nicasio-Outman
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 6, 2012 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
Guthrie is the opening day starter?
I don’t see that. Tracy is going to give Chacin the ball game 1
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Guthrie has been an opening day starter and will be the oldest in the rotation. He gave the ball to Aaron Cook didn’t he?
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 6, 2012 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
Jamie Moyer?
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Where's the love for Moyer
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In a pill?
/low blow
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Old man jokes never get old though haha
by Cody Meiden on Feb 6, 2012 12:33 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
the odds are greater that moyers arm blows up and they have to amputate it than the odds of moyer making this rotation
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 6, 2012 12:33 PM MST up reply actions
apparently I'm in the severe minority when it comes to Moyer
Cant wait to see him in Spring Training. I want to see if he’s still got the stuff he has with the Phillies
by Cody Meiden on Feb 6, 2012 12:35 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
hey if hes got it, im all about giving him a chance, i just always like potential more than i do like u get what you see and no chance of getting better, i love it when you go to jamie moyers basbeall reference page, and you go to drop down tabs, hes got 3 columns of 8 seasons
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 6, 2012 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
I see your point
I’m all for potential, but I’m more about known commodities. If Moyer struggles or is just blown away by the young guys, all for the youth movement, but if Moyer is solid and dependable, I want to see him on the Opening Day roster
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No Tracey never did that
Ubaldo was the opening day starter in both 2010 and 2011
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 6, 2012 12:45 PM MST up reply actions
I think Outman makes the rotation only if they determine that Pomeranz shouldn't start the year in the rotation
Otherwise he’s a bullpen piece, but I find Outman’s inclusion to the rotation as less likely.
Your 2012 Colorado Rockies:freshly exorcised from Ty Wigginton
the main reason I see him making it, is he is the 2nd LH Pitcher in the rotation to hold over until JDLR
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 6, 2012 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
he's certainly got the name for it
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He needs to change his name to OutSman
Or else Jim Tracy won’t leave him in for more than .1 inning
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 6, 2012 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
Does it really matter what his name is?
Would Tracy ever leave any reliever in for more than one inning?
ZZZZMATCHUPZZZZZZ
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
I think I see Outman's chances of starting the season in the rotation a liitle bit ahead of Moscoso, about even with White...
There’s really not much separation in that second tier group though, so I’m not going to fault any opinion on the rotation order save the people that are setting things in stone right now.
Hmm...
Chacin
Guthrie
Pom
White
Nicasio
Looks good to me. Literally just replaced Hammel with Guthrie.
Pen…
RafBet
Belisle
Brothers
Reynolds
Rogers
Outman
Putnam/Escalona/Roenicke
Looks good right?
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 6, 2012 12:26 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Still hoping White is good this year
Last year’s cameo scared me.
by Purple Row Troll on Feb 6, 2012 12:43 PM MST up reply actions
It has to be tough coming back from a ligament strain on your pitching finger
midseason, especially if you’re a rookie that’s only made 3 ML starts before the time of the injury. I’m sure he’ll be fine.
Me too
But all of a sudden, very randomly, I woke up one morning and had a good vibe about him. While that obviously that means nothing, I am now attaching myself to his bandwagon. Got high hopes for him and think he’ll become a force to be reckoned with in good time.
We Need this GIF
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Jeremy Guthrie has a Posse … posted on Camden Chat:
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here
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A HA, the Kaz Matsui ingredient that we needed
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 6, 2012 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
It's a good thing I'm almost done with work
because that made me LMFAO
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I like the acquisition of Jeremy Guthrie and thought he'd be a good trade target back in December
At first when I heard the trade I thought “Wow why did we include Lindstrom” thinking he was our 8th inning guy. But Fish’s breakdown of the bullpen makes sense and definitely makes Lindstrom expendable.
So I’ll give this trade a thumbs up even though I did really like Hammel
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I laughed
Then they won 39 of their last 38 games to make the playoffs and the World Series that one year. It was intense.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 6, 2012 1:06 PM MST up reply actions
I chuckled as well, sounds a bit like a bitter Giants fan
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 6, 2012 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
We may now have 3 pitchers in our rotation next year that at different times were a first round pick by the Cleveland Indians. I think this is DOD’s new strategy. Watch out Jeremy Sowers!
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Should've texted him back:
Cy Young had 316 career losses.
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Give him a copy of moneyball for his birthday.
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Get well soon Juan.
I thin it is cute
that both you and Russ jumped to the conclusion that my cousin is male.
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Male chauvinist pigs. . . .
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sounds about right.
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This is only very tangentially related, so excuse the OT
, but I saw some of your photos during a presentation… I think it was SAVA?.. a few months ago and I just want to say that you do cool and good work.
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what was the presentation?
and thank you!
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I can't even remember what the formal topic was
we ended up talking about the language of consent mostly, or at least that is what I remember talking about the most. It was at the Geller center, where I used to intern, and the discussions tend to be pretty open ended but I think the gal that was there was just talking about what SAVA does and how we can help stop violence in our own lives…
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by SurfaceThought on Feb 6, 2012 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
I'm guessing it was Anne
she is our outreach coordinator and does most of those types of things. I will be having a display of the photographs from the 7 years that we have done the project on April 6th, you should come.
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¿Donde?
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It will be at Harper Point Photography Studio
in Old Town.
I will post some more relevant information as we get closer to the event.
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in fairness to your cousin, Guthrie does hold the record for most puppies hbp.
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truly one of the worst records
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Did he kill the puppy?
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I just don't understand any of it.
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the fighting bucks
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 6, 2012 1:00 PM MST up reply actions
I've been catching up on the thread
Because of work :-( See below.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 6, 2012 1:07 PM MST up reply actions
I hope you used mouse pad to soften the blow.
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His Run Support Avg in Games Started was 3.88 on Baseball Reference
not good when your ERA is 4.33 and making 13 starts against playoff teams and 4 more against BOS and 4 against TOR
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 6, 2012 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
also
My dad just emailed me about Guthrie being under 500 for his career and having an ERA over 4.00… I laughed.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 6, 2012 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
You knew it was coming...
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Would have been awesome if the person did the work
to reverse the “Orioles” on the jersey so it remained legible on both permutations
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 1:27 PM MST up reply actions
That's the only flaw I can find
with the pure sublimity of this gif. It’s so perfect – he has wristbands on both of his wrists… so great.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 6, 2012 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
Considering our veteran innings-eater could have been....
Millwood or Moyer, this makes lots of sensed to me. Guthrie’s a solid guy who can hold down an otherwise very young rotation. Not fretting about what we gave up either.
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At the price, I'd rather have had Millwood
and used Hammel/Lindstrom to acquire something else. Separately or together plus EY2 for Niese, or something like that.
But, Guthrie is no slouch.
At the price
I’d rather have Guthrie, at a lower one I’d still rather have Guthrie
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Hammel + Lindstrom + EY2 for Niese?
Really.
MOYER IS OUR SAVIOR
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 6, 2012 7:53 PM MST up reply actions
That's complete garbage.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 6, 2012 8:45 PM MST up reply actions
Why?
Given their supposed interest in EY2, and the money they were willing to spend on lesser RH relievers, why is it implausible? They get several years of EY2, and both Hammel and Lindstrom can be controlled for 2013 at a reasonable price. Change the formula a little and it can get more or less reasonable.
Unless you’re saying that it’s an overpay, which is definitely ridiculous.
Well...
EY2 doesn’t have a whole lot of value in a trade anymore, so suggesting that he’d make up the difference between Guthrie and Niese, the latter of whom is several years younger with greater upside and with several more years of affordable team control left does strike me as a little ridiculous.
I think you’d have to replace the EY2 with someone like Rosario just to get talks started.
That's probably true.
But Lindstrom makes up at least part of the value between Guthrie and Niese (if we assume that Lindstrom + Hammel is at least a slight overpay for Guthrie). In the same way that we can overhype Rockies players, we can also underestimate certain players. Teams have irrational attractions all the time… it would be pretty absurd for them to like EY2 that much, but it’s not “garbage” as CCRox articulately characterized it.
Sorry, didn't mean to offend you in any way deacs.
I respect your opinion very highly, and have made that known several times. But this is an absurd trade proposal.
It’s very hard for me to say Hammel + Lindstrom is a slight overpay for a very useful piece like Guthrie, but in viewing this in a vacuum I can say this is a very even trade. But with the way the roster was constructed, I love the deal for obvious reasons.
I have a very hard time seeing the idea that EY2 sweetens the deal enough to get Niese, a guy the Mets had very high demands for earlier in the offseason. It really doesn’t come close, in my eyes.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 6, 2012 10:09 PM MST up reply actions
Wow, overuse of "very" there.
:) sorry ’bout that.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 6, 2012 10:13 PM MST up reply actions
No hard feelings
I know this is a stretch to begin with, and I didn’t see the demands the Mets made earlier in the off-season, so it’s highly probable that I’m way off-base here.
I was going off how I’d value Hammel’s production (but probably over-valuing that by ignoring the perceived damage his bullpen demotion caused), and what the Mets paid to sign Francisco and Rauch. Add in the supposed interest in EY2… seems like the start to a possible deal. Of course, I’m assuming they don’t read PR and thus aren’t versed in EY2’s shortcomings (which are real).
Either way, doesn’t really matter now.
I think the Mets might "like" him in the sense
that they view him as a good bench player, as opposed to the situational pinch-runner that the other 29 teams in the league probably do. It’s very, very unlikely that they expect him to become the solid cost-controlled 2-3 WAR type player that they’re losing in Niese (which would be the justification for such a trade).
I'm kind of hoping EY goes to Baltimore...
They need a second baseman that can lead off.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 6, 2012 10:31 PM MST up reply actions
considering Milwood turned down our major league deal…
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 6, 2012 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
my favorite statistic about jeremy guthrie: career 2.68 BB/9
his opponents in the AL East are 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 8th (BOS, NYY, TBR, TOR respectively) in team BB% in the AL from 2007-2011, or guthrie’s effective MLB career
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Oh noes!
@danconnolysun
One interesting sidelight to the Guthrie trade. His new starting catcher is Ramon Hernandez. The two weren’t often on the same page in Balt.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 2:21 PM MST reply actions
Maybe Rosario will be his personal catcher?
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good thing we've got pacheco
/ducks
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Welp, there goes the plan™
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 6, 2012 4:03 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Oh my deer, blessed Lord....
From the Camden Chat introduction to Guthrie that just got front paged…
he’s not shy about his love for the Backstreet Boys, Usher, and Justin Bieber
We’ve got another Tulo…….
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Guess that rules out him being related to Arlo
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that was supposed to be quoted, not struck through...
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and probably "dear" rather than "deer" Lord...
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I think he means
Cernunnos.
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the deer? a female deer?
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(Tampa Bay) Ray, a drop of golden Sun.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 6, 2012 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
Mi ami A team from florida.
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SO a stat that stands for K
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Oops someone already did FA
dammit.
/reads Kizla
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 6, 2012 2:40 PM MST up reply actions
Take a lap
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LA a team that has no owner.
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Should have known Maria would nail this thread...
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If anyone knows how to solve a problem like Maria
It’s me.
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A flibbertigibbet
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i have been called worse.
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onions and sweet pickle relish...
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grrr
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Sweet pickle relish
is disgusting
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amen.
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agreed
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It is as gross as dill pickle relish is good
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You know nothing of this problem
named Maria
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Get well soon Juan.
Au contraire
Many a thing I know I’d like to tell her
Many a thing she ought to understand…
Such as the awesomness of onions or sweet pickles (although not sweet pickle relish, I concede…)
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But onions will kill Maria
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The jury is still out on that
given the fact that she has not yet, presumably, actually been killed by onions…
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I'm very
allergic to them.
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I can accept that
and if they’re going to make you ill I’ll just have to stick to teaching you about the awesomeness of sweet pickles….
But I still say the whole “kill Maria” thing seems highly speculative to me….
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I would rather not
be force fed onions to see what would happen to me…
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What, you need her to die
from onion poisoning before you believe it?
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by SDcat09 on Feb 6, 2012 3:22 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I am a very empirical person...
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that's...
that’s just awful
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Why do you hate science?
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oh i love science
i’m just not fond of killing maria
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by papality on Feb 6, 2012 3:30 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
thanks!
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I'm not fond of that idea either
So much paperwork…..
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And by empirical
you mean Emperor ….
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Emperor Palantine
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Emperor Palpatine
is the most sympathetic character in all of Star Wars.
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Wrong.
Jar Jar.
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Jar Jar
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So Jar Jar is to Star Wars
as Lucille Bluth is to Arrested Development?
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meetra surik
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Well, if you want
to be serious about this. . . .
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haha
knew you were a star wars buff, didn’t know how up to speed you were
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You did not just question
Russ’ StarWars knowledge. Good God man don’t anger him.
/gets popcorn
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trust
but verify. and that’s some pretty arcane shit i verified on
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So up to speed
that I had won a Darth Plagueis ARC back in December.
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how many 50s do you have?
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I meant Palpatine...my bad
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I am not a penguin?
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Are you not?
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I...... I don't think so....
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Do you waddle?
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Sometimes
usually after a really big meal…
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Do you own or have you ever
worn a tuxedo?
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Generally untrustworthy, in my experience...
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Once
it was gray
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So that settles is
You are old Emperor Penpalaguin
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I warned myself and caused a 500 error
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Warn youself again
You’re too far to the right of the thread to post that picture. I had to open it in a different tab. geez.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 6, 2012 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
go to a widescreen shot then
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So warning yourself
causes 500 error. Does it mean you can only ban yourself successfully?
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No,
I received an error when I did that a couple of years ago.
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Interesting
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Um,
can another mod warn me?
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Never mind.
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Not the Rockpile though
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I can accept that...
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I think Tulo must interview
every potential trade partner.
1) Justin Bieber. Like or Like Like?
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Do you love justin bieber?
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by hotdoglady on Feb 6, 2012 2:34 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
……………………………………………………
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Can you expand on this idea?
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Didn't see this posted:
The O’Dude gives a short interview on MLB Network Radio about the trade. (Audio only).
Apparently there are “no limitations” on Nicasio going into ST (yay!), and everybody is still being considered for a rotation spot (O’Dowd rattled off Chacin, Guthrie, Nicasio, Pomeranz, Moyer, White, Moscoso, Outman, Chatwood, Friedrich, Bettis, and Cabrera as potential candidates when asked about it).
In other words O'Dowd doesn't have a clue as to who is going to pitch for the Rockies!
by 3nS on Feb 6, 2012 2:51 PM MST up reply actions
Heh
I guess that makes me feel better about not having a clue either?
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by SurfaceThought on Feb 6, 2012 2:55 PM MST up reply actions
rangers sign joe beimel
https://twitter.com/#!/Sullivan_Ranger/status/166627641833684994
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Wow. Good for Joe.....
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They should love his walk-in song down there...
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he stands a pretty good chance to make their roster, i'd say
they’ve been looking for a lefty in the pen all offseason
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Blake DeWitt just went on waivers
Rockies had interest in him when talking to the Cubs.
DeWitt > Nelson/Herrerra/etc.?
What do you all think? Should we get him
by Cody Meiden on Feb 6, 2012 3:25 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions
we have enough fringy backup middle infielders
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as if it's possible to have enough...
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by EmersonCR on Feb 6, 2012 3:43 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
the dodgers school of thought
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by papality on Feb 6, 2012 3:45 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
True
But DeWitt is a fairly solid defender and a much better batter (at least based on his stats from the last couple years). Seems a bit more reliable than the other MUT options we have now. Just a thought
by Cody Meiden on Feb 6, 2012 3:43 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
Nelson and LeMahieu > DeWitt
The Rockies wouldn’t trade Stewart for DeWitt, but they would for DJLM.
I'm guessing that he'll find better opportunity for MLB playing time somewhere else.
The Rockies have pretty much filled their quota of middle infielders, and while he might be a bit of an upgrade over Brendan Harris, and a better defender than EY2, he’d be lower on my own infield utility list than Nelson, DJLM, Field and Herrera at the very least, likely lower than Pacheco, and possibly lower than Brandon Wood. If Rutledge is at all MLB ready, that would be one more that passes him on the list of players I’d rather see.
Interesting
For me it was kicking the tires on it, but for me he’d be a an upgrade over Nelson and most anyone else we have right now. He’s got a good bat, he’s solid defensively from what I’ve seen, only knock is he doesn’t play SS. We do have plenty of MUTs though, just saw him as a possible marginal upgrade
by Cody Meiden on Feb 6, 2012 4:25 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
I wouldn't call DeWitt's bat good, not that Nelson's has been better at the MLB level,
but I trust Nelson’s bat more going forward. Second, it should be a warning flag that DeWitt started more games in LF last season than he did any one IF position, despite the fact that the Cubs had Jeff Baker and DJLM start several at 2B or 3B when DeWitt could have had he been seen as a better option for them. This tells me that the Cubs internally saw him sliding on the defensive spectrum, and he doesn’t have the bat or the arm to fit as a left fielder. I really think DeWitt’s time in the majors is ebbing out, and he might have seen his last significant major league work in 2011.
Somehow missed that little position stat
Definitely changes my position a bit. I really don’t have any issue with Nelson, that move just caught my eye. Thanks for the insight
by Cody Meiden on Feb 6, 2012 5:02 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
New teammates making peace:
:-)My bad bro. RT @mcuddy3: @JGuthrie46 I hope u bring some ice w/you.My wrist still hurts! Lol welcome aboard man,xcited for your addition
Also, things nobody thinks or cares about but me:
To my knowledge (without actually researching it, so could be very wrong), Guthrie is the first Rockies player to have played at my alma mater (BYU), though it was only for one year.
Guthrie also likely speaks fluent Spanish (went to Spain on his mission).
Also, I wonder if this is the first time in MLB history that two Mormons (and returned LDS missionaries) were traded for each other.
Lindstrom or Hammel?
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my money's on lindstrom
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So, a Latter Inning Saint?
I hadn’t realized he was LDS or had done a mission. Or Guthrie either. That’s pretty cool. The guys who served with him have a good story to tell…
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"Latter Inning Saint"
WHY didn’t we know this last year? That’s Photoshop gold!
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 6, 2012 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
As this turned into the Rockpile
JFK’s Quote of the Day:
“Maybe someday I will be a great player, but not yet. I have a good deal to learn and watch every player, some of whom may do something of benefit to me to me another time.” ~Louis Sockalexis
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 6, 2012 6:33 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
12 today, 11 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.
damnit, where's Cal?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 6, 2012 6:48 PM MST up reply actions
There but for the grace of God go we ...
Hate to laugh at another team’s misfortune, though that is pretty funny.
The O’s just need their owner to sell or go peacefully into the night. They have the market, a great park, and incredibly loyal fans. Not to mention the history. They could easily build a very good team there with a few years of smart decisions and then the right investments in FA’s. But talk about a team that has stunk at player development lately. Wow.
by BostonTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 6:59 PM MST up reply actions
I grew up an Orioles fan
Before the Rockies. When they had Earl Weaver, the Ripkins, Cy Youngs, 100 win seasons. Now they are an embarrassment. When they trade their Ace to the Rockies to be the #3 Pitcher and he’ll have to do well to keep that position. All they are now is an exhibition team for the Yankees and Sox and whoever to beat up on. My heart hurts for the fans of the once proud organization.
by 3nS on Feb 6, 2012 9:41 PM MST up reply actions
This is pretty interesting
John Sickels reviews all the position player prospects he gave an A- or A to from 2003 to 2006
I just went through the list really quickly and if you define a bust, or at least a “disappointment” to be <5.0 career fWAR, you get 17/46 of those, or about 37% from a guy who is pretty good at evaluating prospects. Also worth noting that the only two Rockies on that list, Nelson and Stewart, fall under that category…
Just got me thinking about the devastating impact it'll have on this organization if Arenado doesn't pan out
His elite contact tool makes him a really good bet that he’ll develop into at least a solid regular, but there always seem to be guys whose failures can’t quite be explained, like Hermida.
Casey Blake should solidify 3B in 2012, but we’ll be in a really tough spot if that position goes back to a sinkhole in 2013 and on.
Everyone else has a sinkhole at 3B too, though
It would be devastating, to be sure, and probably cost O’Dowd his job, but even more devastating would be if our SP prospects like Pomeranz, White, Bettis, and Matzek turn into nothing-burgers. With Cargo and Tulo, you can survive average production elsewhere. But if you’ve got no home grown SP’s on a mid-market budget, you’re really screwed.
by BostonTransplant on Feb 6, 2012 7:33 PM MST up reply actions
yeah if pom and white bust
that would be worse, all the more so when you remember what we lost to get them
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Absolutely
and it’s even more discouraging when you consider that pitching prospects are considered even more difficult to project than position players. Obviously, though, O’Dowd’s realized the importance of safety in numbers — our stockpile of young arms looks a little ridiculous right now, but history suggests that that’s kind of how you have to rebuild a rotation.
Do we visit Citi Field again this upcoming season. I hope so. Tulo's numbers were Godly.
AVG—-.625
OBP—.700
SLG—-1.438
OPS—2.138
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12 today, 11 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.
That whole 4-game series was wonderful.
Too bad it was the high point of the season.
by Shoemaker on Feb 6, 2012 11:29 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
that was such an awesome start to the season last year...
ithought we were gonna win the world series playing like that, its amazing what may and june will do to your expectations
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 7, 2012 7:22 AM MST up reply actions
they've moved the fences in, too
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Every non-division team in the NL
plays each other twice, once at home, and once on the road. The Rox go to Citi Field August 20-23.
by sasperilla_pete on Feb 7, 2012 7:39 AM MST up reply actions
except we get two road series in Philly this year
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 7, 2012 6:58 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
home run derby time...
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