Stacey Long of Camden Chat on Jeremy Guthrie
by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 2:18 PM MST
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PrintPerspective is often a difficult impossible trait for a sports fan to fully embrace. When Joe SportsFan's favorite team pulls off a trade, it's a fool's errand to even pursue it. But hey, I'm a fool, so I set out to continue to be one.
In light of the Jeremy Guthrie trade news today, I reached out to Stacy Long, manager Bowser of our Orioles sister blog, Camden Chat. For most of us, Guthrie is a pitcher we have seen 99% through statistics sheets and 1% in passing from SportsCenter MLB Network. So I asked Stacey for a synopsis on the trade from a Baltimore perspective, and what we can expect from Mr. Guthrie going forward.
Without further ado, here's Stacey:
The trade of Jeremy Guthrie is a tough one for many Orioles fans to accept. He's not a world class pitcher but he is a world class human being. He has spent the last five seasons as one of the most popular and successful Orioles (not that that's saying much), and I recommend every Rockies fan begin following him on Twitter, @JGuthrie46. Affectionately referred to as Guts by O's fans, I have no doubt that he'll endear himself similarly to the Rockies faithful. He's an avid bicycler who arranged for a group of Orioles to bike their way through the city on Ride Your Bike to Work Day, he's not shy about his love for the Backstreet Boys, Usher, and Justin Bieber, he posts pictures of himself in his Halloween costume on Twitter, and he is just a smart, funny guy.
But how is he as a pitcher, you are asking? Well, the bad news for the Rockies is that he gives up a lot of home runs. He just does. Sorry. He also doesn't strike out a lot of batters, but he tempers both of those things by not walking many. Glancing at his stats without watching him pitch would probably cause most to think he's been lucky; he consistently out-pitches his peripherals and he has a lower than normal BABIP. But at this point he's been doing that for his entire career, and watching him be effective on a regular basis, I've come to the conclusion that Guthrie is simply an exception to the rule.
Guthrie keeps himself in phenomenal shape and is rarely injured. He's pitched at least 200 innings each of the last three seasons, and four seasons ago he pitched 190. He isn't an ace by any stretch of the imagination, but he does on occasion give an ace-like performance. More generally, though, he puts up a decent outing that keeps his team in the game. As you can see by his win-loss record, the Orioles rarely took advantage of that in his time in Baltimore. His fastball sits at 93-94 with good movement but he can pump it up several mph when he needs to. He has good control and when he's on his game he is capable of beating any lineup.
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Thanks Stacey I have been following Jeremy all day now.
Rockies fans who lived through 01-06 can feel the frustration that O’s fans are going through, but you have to believe it will get better for you guys and I can’t wait until it does.
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ha!
Thanks for that.
It’s a bit worse when it’s been 14 years since your team had a winning season.
But as you point out, it will be so sweet when we finally get out of the wilderness….
….. in 2019.
"End of season like this, to make Boston go home sad, crying, I’ll take it all day."—Robert Andino
Well at least you aren't a Cubs fan amirite?
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So, I'm hearing Clubhouse presence and Justin Beiber
I now understand exactly why this move was made…
Thanks to Stacey for the info, and to ATF for making it happen. I really like when we get input from the other blogs.
I don’t know what exactly made me think this while I was reading that blurb, but I had an image in my mind of him being the next 2009 Marquis
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he’s not shy about his love for the Backstreet Boys, Usher, and Justin Bieber
Sounds like he and Tulo will get along just great.
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(Long time lurker, first time poster).
Sounds like another move to build a squad that will mentor the young’uns?
Welcome to posting then
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In case you're curious, I provided the same on Hammel/Lindstrom over at Camden Chat
http://www.camdenchat.com/2012/2/6/2775858/get-to-know-the-new-os-jason-hammel-and-matt-lindstrom
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 2:56 PM MST reply actions
Was going to post, but have 1 day wait.
So I’ll post this here, and maybe one of them will bring it over.
If you want a good example of Hammel being himself, here is his Spill the Beans episode. Also, don’t know how many ladies are over at Camden Chat, but I still can’t get over how hot he looks in that. That’s Jason at his all-time highest HAR moment.
I dropped it over there for you
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it is pretty unacceptable I forgot to include that
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 6, 2012 6:14 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Love this cross-blog stuff.
Also, I’m hoping there’s a little bit of Apodaca magic for Guthrie.
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Apodaca magic..
is the underdiscussed piece of this trade and it adds +27 achievement points to the Rockies trade.
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Thanks for a very solid report
Pretty much how I viewed him, but it’s nice to see it confirmed by a knowledgable source.
Job #1 for a starting pitcher is to take the ball every 5th day for six straight months. Rockies have been carrying a lot of people the past couple of years who couldn’t do that. For that reason alone, I am glad to have Guthrie on board.
I just want to echo something Stacey wrote above
He isn’t an ace by any stretch of the imagination, but he does on occasion give an ace-like performance. More generally, though, he puts up a decent outing that keeps his team in the game.
Guts is a pitcher. What I mean by that is, when he doesn’t have his best stuff, he’s one of those guys (like his Stanford schoolmate Mike Mussina) who will find a way to use what he’s got to its best effect.
You can kind of split him up as a maddening model of consistency: in 32 starts last year, his earned runs split roughly into thirds: 12 games with 2 or fewer runs, 12 games with 3 or 4 runs, 8 games with above 4. That translates to keeping your team in the game 75% of the time (24/32), which is about what you’d expect from a #3 or #4 guy. It does happen on occasion that Guts gets rocked, but he also had 5 shutouts last year. Go figure. Also remember that he did all this despite half of his starts coming against AL east powerhouses Tampa, Toronto, New York, and Boston. Picthing in the NL should help him, althgouh obviously the high altitude may make up for it.
Two other things you might not know about him:
- He’s a mormon and took two years off to do a mission in Spain. So his “baseball age” is skewed a bit by this
- He was a 1st-round draft pick for the Cleveland Indians in 2002
Gut sis a fun, humble guy who, in the words of Crash Davis, is “just happy to be here”. While we are all sorry to see him go, we will be quietly rooting for the Rockies all year so that our one of our favortie guys can finally taste the postseason he so richly deserves.
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by zknower on Feb 6, 2012 5:18 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Another reason to like him.
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ha, really?
He’s such a scary looking guy, I can hardly imagine him going door to door in those dorky outfits and trying to spread the word of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints.
not the place for that comment actually
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loving the insight
thank you
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2012 5:44 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Awesome.
Thanks for the information.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 6, 2012 6:36 PM MST up reply actions
I'm liking Guts more and more...I like watching true pitchers, honestly.
Jealous of Hammel and Lindstrom, though, in that they get to go to Oriole Park 81 times a year
/still miss catching games there.
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by Paleface Destro on Feb 6, 2012 9:32 PM MST up reply actions
Coors or Camden?
Baseball is baseball for a fan but it would be interesting to know which a player likes more. Maybe a question I ask during photo day…
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Camden
I get to go to Coors several times a year. I love Coors more than any park I’ve seen a game in, but I still have a soft spot for Camden Yards from when I lived in the Baltimore area.
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by Paleface Destro on Feb 6, 2012 10:49 PM MST up reply actions
Camden was so amazing when it opened just an amazing trendsetter
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Just heard on the KOA
Tracy talking like he expects Guthrie to be the #1 starter so Chacin doesn’t have to be “as such a young kid.”
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but he's older than Kershaw...
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 6, 2012 8:29 PM MST up reply actions
He's obviously very, very special.
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by Paleface Destro on Feb 6, 2012 9:20 PM MST up reply actions
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by UZ on Feb 7, 2012 9:02 AM MST up reply actions
He just became special. So who starts on OD?
I’ll take Chacin thanks.
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I can get behind that.
Chacin still has some maturing to do. I don’t see him as ready, personally.
- not a commentary on skill or talent, purely age and experience.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2012 10:33 PM MST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Who is Guthrie similar too?
Using K/9, BB/9 and GB/FB and 2010 and 2011 stats (starts only) I came up with the five closest comparables.
Jeremy Guthrie (5.34, 2.48, 0.99)
1. Kyle Lohse (5.30, 2.47, 1.13)
2. Rodrigo Lopez (5.13, 2.50, 0.97)
3. Freddy Garcia (5.47, 2.65, 0.98)
4. Tim Wakefield (5.49, 2.75, 0.82)
5. Jason Vargas (5.65, 2.58, 0.8)
wow, Lopez had enough starts to qualify?
I like that he matches up with other pitchers many tend to underestimate.
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2012 10:34 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
That K/9 and BB/9 should look better facing the Dodgers instead of say the Yankees
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Right
AL pitchers moving to the NL should see an uptick in K/9 and downtick in BB/9 due to facing weaker competition and no DH.
Garza and Grienke certainly did Marcum seemed about the same
Edwin Jackson for some reason seems to prefer facing AL lineups
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Thanks for this
I wasn’t sure what to think, but it sounds like we’re getting someone who really fills a void—a healthy innings-eater is going to be really key for the 2012 staff, even if he may invoke the Coors Canaveral days sometimes. I’m looking forward to seeing him this summer.
Gonna miss HALT…HAMMELZEIT and a key piece of the Mattpen, though.
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camden is actually worse than coors in terms of home runs given up
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really?
single season or multi year?
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by Andrew Martin on Feb 6, 2012 10:35 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
park factors
The last two years (2010 and 2011) Coors was worse in terms of HRs given up, but in 2008 and 2009 Camden was worse. 2007 was a wash. So Camden doesn’t really seem worse since most recent years need to be weighted more heavily. If someone has a source that says something differently, I’d be interested in seeing it.
Source: ESPN Park Factors
statcorner says camden is worse
http://www.statcorner.com/team.php?team=COL&year=2011&leag=N_L
http://www.statcorner.com/team.php?team=BAL&year=2011&leag=A_L
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Really?
I would have never thought that, honestly. I mean, yeah, it’s on the cozy side (though not to a CBP level of absurdity), but I figured the choking humidity would have tempered that.
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by Paleface Destro on Feb 6, 2012 10:51 PM MST up reply actions
From everything I've read here and on Camden Chat it's hard to get too excited about this trade either way
I do like that Guthrie eats innings and is “rarely injured”. That could be very important in resetting the bullpen with some really young pitchers on the staff and Jim Tracy’s tendencies with his bullpen. Hammel was definitely a liability in that area with his trademark Hammelplosions in the 3rd or 4th inning.
My only real complaint is that it seems like we gave up too much in Hammel PLUS Lindstrom to get this to work. I guess the FO feels like we have a number of guys that could step into a bullpen role and it wont be a big issue. I’m not sure about that, particularly now that we don’t have the Betancourt/Street combo to lock up two innings.
It’s weird to evaluate a trade as a fan of both teams involved. On the whole, my O’s fan side is happier about this than my Rockies fan side because of the extra bullpen arm but neither side is particularly impressed. Is consistently mediocre better than effective half the time and wild the other half? That’s what the trade looks like it’s about.
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not sure I'd pigeon hole guthrie as "consistently mediocre"
he allowed 1 or 0 runs in 9 (almost a third) of his starts last year. He has some streak too
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 7, 2012 9:32 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Seems like the Baltimore Beat writers expected EY to be included
Not sure why it didn’t happen, but maybe the Rockies have another plan for EY. Can’t see him making the team though.
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