Thursday Rockpile: Fly swatting and geezer ball to be part of 2012, and then we shift into 2013.
by Rox Girl on Feb 9, 2012 9:26 AM MST
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PrintOne of the largest critiques of the Rockies offseason to date has been with the team adding starters with higher than average fly ball percentage on balls in play. The common refrain will go something like "Popup McFly has been traded to the Rockies? He's going to get crushed at Coors Field." A more SABR oriented slant will phrase the same sentiment along the lines of the Rockies "trying to stop giving up so many base hits, and they've now targeted guys who have a history of keeping guys from getting hits in other cities." The conclusion of both is that the acquisition of pitchers like Jeremy Guthrie, Guillermo Moscoso and Jamie Moyer will backfire on the Rockies, bringing the team another season of disappointment.
A second critique goes back to dealing off Seth Smith and Chris Iannetta and signing Michael Cuddyer and Ramon Hernandez to replace them. The Rockies lineup has gotten older, especially added to the acquisitions of Casey Blake and Marco Scutaro.
As I've noted in the past, and Jeff Aberle mentioned yesterday, all of these moves add up to the Rockies building a bridge to 2013 and beyond. That said, they have done so without harming the team's chances of competing in 2012. While the attention on the outside is focused on the stop-gaps, the real story that's emerged this winter of signing veterans to one season deals is that the team's overhaul won't really be complete until the following transformation has taken full effect:
- 2011 Ubaldo Jimenez = 2013 Drew Pomeranz
- 2011 Jason Hammel = 2013 Alex White
- 2011 Chris Iannetta = 2013 Wilin Rosario
- 2011 Ian Stewart = 2013 Nolan Arenado
- 2011 Seth Smith = 2013 Tim Wheeler?
- 2011 Jose Lopez = 2013 Josh Rutledge?
I add question marks to the last pair because while the front office has acted with some certainty on the first four switches, there have been signs of the Rockies hedging their bets a bit on the last two. Cuddyer being signed for three seasons would be one hedge for the corner outfield, the acquisition of DJ LeMahieu and Tyler Colvin for Stewart would be an example of hedges on both 2B and RF.
The major point being that the 2012 roster isn't the new team. It's the rental yacht you get while your new ship is getting constructed in the boatyard. What's disappointing to me, however, will be how many on the outside will perceive the above switches in the coming year or two as another new plan by the team, when they're being so clearly projected.
At some point in the last 12 months, the Rockies front office determined that homegrown players Jimenez, Iannetta, Stewart and Smith, along with Hammel, were not going to be part of the next Colorado success story. This contrasts vastly with outside opinion that would seemingly suggest all that really was needed was replacing Stewart, adding a 2B and then wait around for good things to happen.
Given that so many of the temporary and complementary pieces acquired by O'Dowd are so far off what's become the conventional wisdom path for the Rockies, 2012 also emerges as a fascinating experiment on team building in Colorado. We actually get to find out if low BABIP fly-ball oriented pitchers can have the same success pitching with the Rockies that many seem to have pitching against them (Ted Lilly, Ian Kennedy, Jordan Zimmerman and Shaun Marcum were a few pitchers of this type to have success in Coors last season.) In Cuddyer, Guthrie and Blake among others, we will see an experiment unfold of whether differences in personality from the exiting players can trump similarities in performance.
At any rate, the 2012 Rockies will be worth watching, even if the team likely won't be the same come 2013.
Moyer is selling his Seattle area home for $5.4 million. It doesn't have the private golf course that John Smoltz's Atlanta pad, so I think I'll pass.
Jim Tracy faces one of the five "most interesting challenges" in the National League this year. Is the challenge not asking himself questions during interviews or press conferences? No, it's not even that special, if you ask me.
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Double post?
11 today, 10 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.
it should a double post but I guess not.
9 today, 8 tomorrow is how many days remain until Pitchers and Catchers report for Spring Training. Self taught and falling in love with this game is very easy to do, you can never hate it, and that is something that not one person can take away from anybody. The love of baseball and OUR COLORADO ROCKIES. Can't wait until fantasy starts also. This will be the 4th year for my team. The Blake St. Bombers.
Rich Harden is going to miss all of 2012. In other words, there will be no baseball in 2012.
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 9, 2012 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
That's why I'm going to miss Rich Harden
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by Junction Rox on Feb 9, 2012 10:17 AM MST up reply actions
preach on, brother.
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by Roxman4ever on Feb 9, 2012 9:30 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Law's Top 100 prospects
Arenado #26
Arenado improved his game across the board in 2011. He has a great, simple swing, short to the ball with good pitch recognition, leading to very high contact rates throughout his pro career. The Cal League is generally a hitters’ league, but the best hitters’ parks are in the southern division (Modesto is in the north), and it’s historically a great league for strikeouts, making Arenado’s rate in 2011, just over 9 percent, even more amazing.
This year he rotated his hips a little more, improving his power potential, and still extended his arms very well through contact. On defense, where he was once likely to move to first base (or even to catcher) despite good hands and arm strength, Arenado is now likely to stay at third, thanks to improvements to his footwork and his own efforts to maximize his agility despite heavy feet. In a neutral park, Arenado would project as at least a 20-25 homer guy with a high batting average as well as at least solid-average defense at third. You may adjust your expectations in Coors accordingly.
Pomeranz #45
Pomeranz and Alex White were the main players going to Colorado in July’s Ubaldo Jimenez trade; and while White is closer to the big leagues, Pomeranz has a greater chance of succeeding as a starter.
The southpaw will sit 90-94 with a plus curveball and a much improved changeup from his junior year at Mississippi. He destroyed left-handed batters in 2011, holding them to a .130/.175/.174 line while striking out 47 of 97 batters and walking four, but was effective against right-handed hitters thanks to the change. Pomeranz has had trouble maintaining a consistent delivery — Cleveland cleaned up his arm action in back, but he would regress to his old, more violent delivery — and, not coincidentally, he’s had some minor shoulder pain along the way.
If he can find and stick with a cleaner, repeatable arm action, he has the potential to be a No. 2 starter who misses a lot of bats.
Bettis #91
I still think of Bettis as a future reliever, but his performance this year and quality of his off-speed pitches give him a better chance to start than what I saw from him as an amateur. He showed in 2011 that he could maintain his stuff for 100 pitches, with a solid-average fastball, an improved changeup, and a curveball he uses in addition to the hard-biting slider that was his out pitch when he’d relieve at Texas Tech.
In school he tended to get his front side very low and give the hitters a longer look at the ball, but the Rockies have him more upright and hiding the ball better. He can still cut himself off a little, but his command and control were both far better in 2011 than his college delivery or performance would have led you to believe they’d be. Given the multiple weapons and aggressive approach, there’s reason to think he can become a No. 4 starter even with very little improvement over what he is today.
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7547690/mlb-top-100-prospects-2012-mike-trout-bryce-harper-more
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I thought Pomeranz had a pretty repeatable delivery?
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 9, 2012 10:00 AM MST up reply actions
That's the first criticism I've read about Pomeranz's delivery.
Hopefully it’s not a big deal.
to me, it looked like one of those “effortless” deliveries that scouts seem to rave about
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 9, 2012 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
Well ... he does say Cleveland cleaned it up on the back end ...
It sounds like he has to work on repeating it, but given his limited innings thus far it doesn’t sound to me like a major red flag. The knock on him before was the lack of a third pitch, and the positive here is that it sounds as though he made significant strides with his changeup.
Relevant to yesterday's discussion on the Row regarding farm system rankings:
Mike (CT)
After really digging into this did any farm systems surprise you in a good or bad way??
Klaw (2:16 PM)
Rockies came out better than I expected. Dodgers too. I love that collection of arms, and now it’s close enough to potentially impact the ML club this year.
Law's Top 10 Prospects by Org
Colorado Rockies
1. Nolen Arenado, 3B (26)
2. Drew Pomeranz, LHP (45)
3. Chad Bettis, RHP (91)
4. Wilin Rosario, C
5. Tim Wheeler, OF
6. Trevor Story, SS
7. Tyler Anderson, LHP
8. Josh Rutledge, SS
9. Kyle Parker, 1B
10. Will Swanner, C
Lots of love for Swanner …
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 9:53 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Hopefully Matzek can bounce back this season!
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by Purple Row Troll on Feb 9, 2012 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
To be fair
We all had this look for most of last season.
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That is all.
I still think we need two or three additions....
1. We need a better backup catcher option in case we feel it’s better that Rosario get everyday at-bats in CO Springs to start the year.
2. We need a veteran righthanded reliever capable of picking up some of the quality innings lots by trading away Street and Lindstrom during the offseason. I realize that such a role could be filled by one of the starter candidates who loses the 5th starter battle in spring, but I think it’s better that we have a proven vet reliever to give us the chance to send such the starter candidate down to the Springs if he has options.
3. We need one true veteran backup infielder that would allow us to jettison the EY2/Nelson/Herrara brigade. Our bench depth is not very good, and it needs to improve since I doubt our projected starting eight will be in the starting lineup all at once more than 40 times in 2012.
Agree
I think we also (as many have already posted) should and can afford to move one, two or even three of these young arms (Rogers, Outman, White), in combo with EY2/Nelson/Herrara for a decent #2-#4 starting arm. I just see a log jam occuring next year if we can keep JDLR, Chacin, Pomeranz, Nicasio as the base of our rotation, though if White can be Hammel v2 I will be quite satisfied. Still think they need to get any value they can out of the excess of Moscoso, et al.
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The Row can be pretty down on him and it’s understandable given his performance last year, but he could be a very solid #3-4 with potential to be a #2. Don’t overrate his performance or lack thereof coming off a finger tendon injury.
White was very highly thought of RIGHT before he had a bad back half with us last year
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 9, 2012 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
He was what 20 spots above Pomeranz going in to last year?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I can’t remember how high, but he was viewed as major league ready, much more major league ready than Pom, and ready to take on a #2 or #3 spot immediately and was a bull dog on the mound
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 9, 2012 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
I think that might be overstating it quite a bit
as nobody should have expected him to be a #2/3 last year. But no doubt expectations were high which made his performance that much more disturbing.
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2. Alex White, RHP
Acquired: 2009 1st round (U of North Carolina)
Pro Experience: 1 season
2010 MiLB Level: A+/AA
Opening Day Age: 22
Estimated Peak WAR: 4.5
Notes: White and Kyle Gibson (Minnesota) may be forever linked because they were the Top 2 college starters in the 2009 draft after Stephen Strasburg, but the latter of the pair has a slightly higher ceiling. White, though, still has the potential to be a solid No. 2 or 3 starter at the MLB level if he can sharpen his command. In just his first pro season, the right-hander had a nice year – first in high-A and then in double-A. White’s control improved as the year progressed, with a dip from 3.89 to 2.25 BB/9. His above-average ground-ball rates jumped from 52 to 57%. It wasn’t all good news, though. White posted a strikeout rate of 8.39 K/9 in high-A but it then dropped to 6.42 K/9 at the upper level. His repertoire includes a low-90s fastball, slider and splitter. I’m not crazy about White’s arm action and he looks unbalanced on the mound at times. He also seems to put a lot of pressure on his upper body and shoulder in his delivery with little use of his legs and lower half.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
yep
“potential to be” is quite different from “ready to take on a #2 or #3 spot immediately.” Obviously his upside was disputed by the Law types too. Certanly he was overhyped in many places…
Well the measure of a talent is how they do progressing
in minors in 2011 White posted a 6.33K/BB in AA/AAA with GB% above 50% in 4/6 places he has pitched as a professional that it basically Halladay’s MO so while expectations may have been a bit high I don’t view 2011 as a step back for White
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
from Sickels
2) Alex White, RHP, Grade B+: A quality inning-eater at worst, and could develop into a genuine ace if all goes well
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
from Hardball times
1. Alex White / SP / White had a great debut season. Some question whether any of his secondary pitches will develop into the out pitch that he needs, but he has great command and movement on his fastball, which could carry him far.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
"Great debut season"
Since when is 15 HRs and 40 ERs in 51.1 innings considered “great”? Maybe he was only watching before the trade?
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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 9, 2012 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
I suspect that's talking about his 2010 minor league debut?
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by Junction Rox on Feb 9, 2012 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
These were from last years rankings
he went from a 52-57% Ground ball rate pre injury to around a 42% in Tulsa and Colorado obviously he wasn’t 100% yet, even not at 100% he dominated AA hitters.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Thanks for the clarification
I thought it was talking about this year’s prospects.
White definitely has the potential to be good when healthy. Last year was abysmal, but hopefully it was an anomaly.
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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 9, 2012 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
Well he had elite control in the minors in 2011
you have to hope he will find it in the majors
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I don't think we are arguing the same point
my only point was that he was hyped too much for 2011, unfairly so, but it did make his struggles look more disappointing. The fact that he might someday have “ace” potential (which seems a stretch but who knows) is not really the issue. Given that he’s not a lock starter for 2012, though, I would definitely say 2011 was a step back.
I guess I am a little more forgiving based on the injury
he had a 11.9H/9 in Colorado while his previous high had been 7.7 2011 was not a resounding success but I viewed it more as a pause button than a step back.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
thats what people were saying early last year
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 9, 2012 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
And obviously ineligible for these lists ...
As he crossed the innings threshold for MLB Rookie status … just barely.
Welp ... Just asked KLaw in his Top 100 Prospects chat:
Ethan (Belfast)
Alex White also just over the innings limit … would he make the Top 100 and if so, where?
Klaw (2:07 PM)
In the final 20 or so. Fastball/splitter guy, no real breaking ball, not sure if he can stay a starter.
Well considering that Chatwood was rated #76 last year by BA
that means Pomeranz, Bettis, White, Chatwood, Matzek are all top 100 prospects in 2011/12 with Nicasio probably getting unfairly snubbed. It isn’t like the Braves or Rays but that is nice pool of young arms throw in Anderson and there seems to be a good chance we get 2-3 MLB regulars out of them with one emerging as a #2
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Prospect lists are too fluid for you to count Chatwood or Matzek
as good prospects like you seem to be suggesting. That is, they shouldn’t be included in the same category as Pomeranz, Bettis or White.
Matzek, obviously, didn’t get any love with the top lists in the industry — BA, Sickels, Law, etc. And I doubt Chatwood makes most 2012 lists even if he were eligible. He’s been ripped unfairly just because of a bad season at age 21, but it was a really bad season with the loss of command and the overall “hittability”.
Right but he is 4 years younger than Nicasio
and while Matzek may completely crash and burn he is still the highest upside arm in the system. Again and I will drive this point home Chatwood didn’t have any stat as a 21yo whether it is K/9 BB/9 or H/9 that are out of line with guys like Maddux, Schilling or Smoltz not saying Chatwood is in those guys class but saying he can’t become a 3-4 starter because of anything he did as a 21yo is just false
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
I don't disagree with you
I’m saying you can’t categorize Chatwood and Matzek with Pom, Bettis and White as prospects: the latter three have fairly good chances to at least become solid starters at the MLB level due to their established history of minor league success.
On the other hand, Chatwood has a demonstrated history of wildness throughout his minor league career, not just in the majors. Was he rushed? Sure, but his flaws were exposed by more advanced hitters in the upper minors and MLB. While still young, the degree of certitude that you have about a guy like him becoming a valuable member of the rotation is much lower than that of Pom, White, Bettis.
Matzek’s case is even worse: he has the highest upside in the organization, but that doesn’t mean a whole lot given how low the probability that he reaches that point is. Pitching prospects are already a crapshoot to a certain extent, but you’re talking about a guy who struggles with controlling his delivery and even lost all command for nearly a full season.
I think I am 100% with you on matzek and just flat disagree
on Chatwood, but untill I see what dac can do with him I can’t say for sure. Like I said when talking about relievers Dac has done amazing things with Hammels, Delarosa, Bucholtz and Belisle all pitchers who had major command issues, those successes make me think Dac can do more with a young guy like Chatwood than you apparently do.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Law also chimes in on Matzek:
Tad (Bakersfield, CA)
Hey Keith. I imagine this is a make-or-break year for Tyler Matzek. I heard he went back to his old mecahnics towards the end of last year. What do you expect from him moving forward, and does he still have #1 starter potential?
Klaw (1:50 PM)
Looked terrible in instructs. Velo wasn’t back. I really don’t know what to tell you other than that I didn’t give omitting him from my Rockies top ten a second thought.
He HATES the Rockies! < smirk >
This does make me sad … I really hope the kid can come back.
…even though he was hitting 95-96 in games last September….
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only the bad stuff about matzek is what's important
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Well clarify for me ...
… ‘cause I really don’t know: I assume he meant fall instructs which happens after September … am I right?
No Offense to Keith but he seems to have two levels of prospect
1. He’s alright, could be good
2. He’s horrible
Matzek will need to pitch better to stop being in the second category and there is very little risk when you underrate a player.
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Law acknowledges his rankings favor upside ...
… and disfavors relievers. So taking this into account, he must be really down on Matzek ever reaching the majors as a starter to not include him in the Rockies Top 10.
I have high hopes for the guy still, but there are quite a few prospect evaluators who don’t have Matzek in their top 10. Sickels’ has him at #16 with a C+ grade. BA had him outside ther Top 10. Only BP (to my knowledge) had him inside the Top 10 putting Matzek at #6.
Matzek still has an extremely high ceiling, but last year was definitely a substantial roadblock towards reaching that ceiling. He needs a dominant 2012.
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and I don't disagree it is hard to ignore how wild he was
but 97 from a LH is too good for me to abandon
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Franklin Morales...
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was 6 years older than Matzek when we dumped him
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Exactly
the Rockies didn’t dump him until much later
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Another way to look at this ...
Is that our farm system has generally improved to the level that a guy with high upside but also a high-risk bust factor doesn’t make out Top 10. I would warrant he’d be top 4 in the ChiSox system.
That's not saying much
The Sox system is the worst in the majors by a long shot, so they’re a bad org to compare with.
Friedrich and Cabrera could also easily be top 4 in that system, for example
Cameron looks at upside/risk on Fangraphs:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/how-much-risk-is-worth-additional-upside/
The comments are interesting too.
That was pretty interesting.
I posted a comment about something that I thought about last year. It seems to me that it would be useful to assign probability distributions for peak WAR/season when evaluating prospects. Right now the major evaluators just give out grades, which seem to lump in factors such as “ceiling” and “floor”, and it all seems very subjective. Creating probability distributions for each player would still involve some subjectivity, but it would allow for a more methodical system and better comparisons between players.
Baseball America added something like this for this year ...
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-pulse/2012/2612868.html
BA Grade Scale
75-80: Franchise players and No. 1 starters, such as Albert Pujols, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter and Roy Halladay.
65-70: No. 2 starters and perennial all-stars in the mold of Chase Utley, Matt Cain, Matt Kemp and Adrian Beltre.
55-60: First-division regulars and No. 3 starters and elite closers, such as Jonathan Papelbon, James Shields and Torii Hunter would earn these grades.
45-50: Most players reside here. The high end (50s with lower risk) are second-division regulars with higher peaks, eighth-inning relievers and fourth starters on playoff teams. The lower end are platoon/utility players, back-end starters and relievers. Think of Jamey Carroll, Joe Blanton and Angel Pagan.
35-40: Players with fifth-starter or utility/backup catcher upside, or relief specialists. It will be rare for a 35 to make the book. This category includes the likes of Doug Slaten, Matt Treanor and Alfredo Simon.
Risk Factors
Safe: Has shown realistic ceiling in big leagues; ready to contribute in 2012.
Low: Likely to reach realistic ceiling, certain big league careeer barring injury.
Medium: Still some work to do to turn tools into major league-caliber skills.
High: Most draft picks in their first seasons, players with plenty of projection left.
Extreme: Teenagers in Rookie ball or players with significant injury histories.
Last one for sure includes.
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Cool.
That’s slightly different, but still a step in the right direction. It might be that it’s just too hard to analyze prospects in order to come up with WAR bins small enough to be meaningful. Increments of 2 WAR would be the the maximum that would be useful, and that would be similar to what they’re using.
Maybe you like this?
http://philbirnbaum.com/btn2007-11.pdf
In the article the author looks at 10 years worth of BA top 100 lists, and breaks down the eventual career of the players on the list into one of four categories: star, everyday player, contributor and bust. No particular criteria is given for the categories, but realistically none are needed as long as the same criteria are used for all players.
Hitters ranked 1-10: 11 busts, 35 contributors, 14 everyday, 6 stars
Hitters ranked 11-25: 46 busts, 58 contributors, 16 everyday, 10 stars
Hitters ranked 26-50: 53 busts, 44 contributors, 17 everyday, 3 stars
Hitters ranked 51-100: 49 busts, 51 contributors, 11 everyday, 3 stars
Pitchers ranked 1-10: 19 busts, 31 contributors, 7 everyday, 2 stars
Pitchers ranked 11-25: 26 busts, 41 contributors, 11 everyday, 2 stars
Pitchers ranked 26-50: 39 busts, 54 contributors, 6 everyday, 2 stars
Pitchers ranked 51-100: 46 busts, 53 contributors, 5 everyday, 2 stars
Basic conclusions:
Hitters are far easier to rate than pitchers. With hitters there is a solid correlation between ranking and eventual performance. With pitchers, eh, not so much.
A player on the top 100 prospect list has a greater chance of being a bust than a star or even a every day player. The higher on the list, the more likely a hitter is to be an everyday player. No such correlation for pitchers. The only category where a player is more likely to be at least an everyday player than a bust: hitters ranked 1-10.
Also, if you haven’t read the Sickels’ articles on Minor League Ball linked here and on other Rockpiles, he is doing just that, only retrospectively.
They ought to split that bust list up by major injury
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Agreed ...
And for that. pitchers are far more volatile. Again, Sickels is doing that to a degree in his retros …
Good stuff.
Actually, that makes me think that Sickels does a better job. He had roughly equal success predicting pitchers and hitters.
What I’m referring to is similar to both of these. Say you’ve got a prospects, for example Arenado. What you want to know is his chance of producing at a given level. Arenado hasn’t played above A ball yet, so he has a higher chance of falling off the tracks than Mike Trout, for example. So you might look at his major league equivalents (do they do those for A ball?) or other numbers and say that based on his skillset, he has a 60% chance of producing at least 3 WAR per season at his peak. He might also have an 80% chance of producing positive WAR, and a 10% chance of producing more than 5 WAR. Ideally you’d have 1 WAR bins, but there might not be enough information to get that kind of resolution. Then to rank prospects, you’d calculate the expected value of the distribution.
To explain the usefulness further
A player with high upside but high risk would have a fairly uniform distribution. In other words, there is a decent chance he’s a superstar, but also a decent chance he’ll never be a major leaguer. A player with good contact numbers and a solid minor league career but low power might have a fairly tight distribution around 3 WAR/season.
You could think of extending this to players already in the majors, but their distributions would be a lot more compact. We can probably expect Tulo to produce 5.5 WAR this season, with an 80% chance he’ll produce at least 4 and a 20% chance he’ll produce more than 6.5. I’m just guessing at numbers, but hopefully you get the idea.
Arenado is considered by most ...
… to have a vey high floor given his hit tool. MLE’s are a bit sketchy IMO …
I assume so as well. Making these broad determinations from 5-10 minutes of instructional viewing sure doesn’t seem like a good baseline for determining where a prospect currently sits, at least to me.
WIth Matzek in particular, there seems to be a grudge for Law. He was a huge proponent of the kid when we drafted him, but completely gave up on him last year when the Rockies “broke him”, even making it a recurring verb “Matzeking someone”. There was a noticeable absence of Matzek talk even after he looked like a different player last fall, and this may be the first real time he’s mentioned him since.
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We'll see with him
he still had a 50% GB rate but very little else good
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fresh out of high school
not much to be worried about
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said similar things about Matzek last year
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I talked with him in ST last year
and he said he didn’t want to be Matzeked. He didn’t want to start of in EST and be put on Ashville’s roster later. He did and his season wasn’t all that good.
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he might think the est was a problem
but It’s more likely that he didn’t have enough est. he was as green as anyone in the sally
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 6:06 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Just going on what he told me
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Maybe he should concentrate on throwing strikes
instead of trying to be the GM
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Keith Law’s got a big ego, and sometimes, it clouds his judgment. When the Rockies stockpiled starters, particularly after the A’s deal, he said he had no idea what the Rockies were doing. If he looked at the big picture, he’d see the leverage created by DOD, as other teams eventually do need starters, and will trade for them, ie, the Scutaro, Putnam and Guthrie deals. If he is down on Matzek, without really seeing him pitch much after Tyler went to his high school coach, it reminds me of when Law was so down on Cargo. I had plenty of e-mails with Keith, at the time, and he basically said Cargo would never be an MLBer, and lambasted me for cherry picking Cargo’s five skills as nothing more than a facade of a player who would never hit major league pitching. Law loved the bottom heavy Brett Wallace, a prospect from the Toronto organization, as he consistently chose Wallace over Cargo, even after the breakout second half of ‘09 for Cargo, when Wallace had yet to face MLB pitching. Obviously, Keith is not always right. I do think, with Matzek, it’s another case of Keith being Keith. He wants to put down the organization as ruining one of his prized prospects, and almost wants to see that happen so he can keep it in his snark arsenal toward DOD and the Rockies. We’ll see how it goes, but I’m optimistic Matzek will be way up in Law’s prospect rankings at this time, next year.
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Well said
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Not only him
I asked Sickels for his gut feeling on Matzek in an AQA thread, and he responded with “I don’t think he makes it [as a prospect]”
I would disagree on #3
we felt like depth was a strength last year only to watch Tracy mess with the lineup too much in the name of “really having to get some at bats for ______.” I think this year’s lineup is more tinker-proof. I’d like to not see EY2 play much at all, so if he’s jettisoned, good. But Herrera is a competent backup capable of getting some timely hits. As long as we’ve put the idea of him starting to bed, I don’t have a problem with him being on the team.
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by frightened inmate #2 on Feb 9, 2012 9:57 AM MST up reply actions
Didn't you see DOD's comments a week or so ago?
Getting “some at bats for ____” is an organizational philosophy. Expect to see it.
My Thoughts
1.) Disagree if we wanted to pay for a better option it would effectively block Rosario as whoever we signed wouldn’t be able to yoyo between MLB and AAA
2.) Betancourt and Belisle are fine RH relievers with Rogers, Roenicke, Escalona, Putnam, and Moscoso challenging for probably 2 spots, considering the success Dac had with Belisle, Bucholtz as converted starters I have a feeling at least one will become excellent.
3.) while it would be nice to have say a Maizer Itzuris type they are few and far between, look what Jed Lawrie cost Houston, I would be fine if Tommy Field, Hector Gomez, Jonny Herrera, Chris Nelson or Brandon Wood fill the last UT spot
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I have a bit of an issue with your use of the word "need" here,
as I think most of what you’re looking at for these three parts are more luxuries than necessities for most teams outside large markets. Even teams like the Yankees and Phillies go with low grade bench options. Second, I have an issue as the natural outcome of building a team entirely like this is either wasted salary when rookies or young players get their opportunity to show what they’re capable of at the MLB level, or alternatively, never giving said young players that opportunity. I think when you have a large group of near ready MLB talent, it’s best to keep some bench slots available for that group to fill and show what they’re capable of.
I think this is
how people see these fly ball pitchers at Coors Field:
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DOD hit Clubhouse Confidential yesterday and talked about 'soft' flyballers v. 'hard' flyballers...
plus he likes Cuddy’s gap-hitter skillz.
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I am particularly excited for this season
I know most people aren’t that supportive of the Cudyer deal, but it’s the first decent hitter we’ve signed as a free agent in some time. I can’t wait to see this lineup.
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I am excited as well, but brace yourselves for the high fastball strikeout by cuddyer
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 9, 2012 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
That manager article makes it sound like Tracy doesn't like to get involved in the clubhouse.
So if he’s a horrible tactical manager, he isn’t good at handling player personalities, and he’s like a wet towel during interviews, what are his skills that make him so special?
I was under the impression that O'Dowd was ignoring his tactical defficiency
because Tracy was so good at handling and mentoring players. Maybe I’m reading too much into this, but it sounds like he doesn’t want to mingle with the players, and would rather they take care of themselves.
He's the 31st best Manager in the league
Extend him another year!!!
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Prime 9 did a Best Managers Right Now show...
I missed it. Don’t imagine JT made the list?
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The only time you really want to use "myself" is when you are the recipient of your own action. Usually you're better off using "me."
Your is not the correct contraction of you are. The word you're looking for is you're.
It's anyway, not anyways.
But if you only remember one thing...
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I think you can handle and mentor places without being physically in the clubhouse.
I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive.
That's probably true.
But I’ve generally heard a manager’s duties lumped into three categories: game management, clubhouse/player management, and media management. Has anybody heard that Tracy excels at mentoring players? I’ve only heard him referred to as a “father figure”.
Like father Jimmy at the seminary?
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by Shoemaker on Feb 9, 2012 10:17 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
I'll take Moyer's pad in Seattle and join a private club.
Not a huge fan of the climate in the ATL. Too muggy.
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It's anyway, not anyways.
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Rockies Fantasy prospects
Which Rockies should I be targeting in fantasy baseball this year? I got Tulo and Cargo in 2010… that was sweet.
I’m thinking Pomeranz could be a good sleeper candidate, especially in my keeper league.
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umm ...
Some kid named Arenado … probably a better bet for 2013 but if you can stash he could be up by June. Also Rosario.
I would think Cuddyer and Hernandez
Both come with some injury risk, but if healthy they should have good offensive seasons.
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by EmersonCR on Feb 9, 2012 10:18 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Cuddyer is a great pick, he still has 2B eligibility hitting 5th with above average OBP
every spot ahead of him. If you can pair Cuddy at 2B with Tulo at SS you could conceivably get a .300 average 60 HR 200 RBI 200 Runs and 20SB from your middle IF
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Wow
I didn’t even realize he has 2b eligibility. That makes him a no-brainer.
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by EmersonCR on Feb 9, 2012 10:25 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
yeah Corner OF production from 2B and he may pick up 1B/3B eligibilty too
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Cuddyer at second would be awesome
Holy cow. Good call.
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Bettis is good sleeper candidate to be an elite closer
I hope not because if the guys at Bullpen Banter are right he sat between 95-97 in the 8th inning of the game they saw, I would hate to waste that kind of endurance/velo on just one inning a game. If Bettis can develop an above average changeup he has Cy Young written all over him.
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For that matter Betancourt is a great pick
he is being drafted way low for a guy who will help your WHIP, Ks(about 1/3 of an elite starter) and SV numbers
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In 2009 and 2010
I had Betancourt for this reason, even though he wasn’t a closer. The league I was in did count holds, though.
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by EmersonCR on Feb 9, 2012 10:27 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
If they allow a deep bench I alway grab a Sean Marshal, Johnny Venters Rafael Betancourt
or 3 late in the draft even if they don’t count holds. They basically give you an extra ace here is their combined value last year
225.3 IP 1.034WHIP 2.28ERA 248Ks 14W 18SV that is basically like adding Roy Halladay in your final 3-5 picks
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Even if you only add one of those elite middle relievers they will poach wins, saves
and help your overall pitching stats
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Mujica is a good example of this he had 9 wins with zero starts
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Any thoughts on Dex this year
I had him and cut him like three times last season.
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He'd be a better pick
If he could actually steal bases. As is, he’s just not that valuable. Not a bad guy to have on your radar thanks to his OBP, but there are many better fantasy players.
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by EmersonCR on Feb 9, 2012 10:37 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Dear Chad Bettis,
Please refine a 3rd pitch.
Sincerely,
LDMM
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 9, 2012 11:00 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
in every mock draft i do
i take pomeranz with my final pick.
rex and raffy are you best pen options, chacin could be a good mid-round pick
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Collecting on a bet, making a (dumb) new one.
So last year about this time I was chatting with my father-in-law’s best friend, a looooong time Dodgers season ticket holder and big bettor guy. He bet me dinner that CarGo would have a better year than Tulo (The bet was never specified but presumably triple crown stats given this guy’s age and likely thoughts on SABR stuff). He conceded the bet and this week took me (along with his 2 sons and my father and bro in law) to one of the nicer steakhouses in LA, and we rang the bell a bit…so long story short (too late) after several drams of rye and several more glasses of wine I bet him back this year, same dinner stakes, that the Rox would win more games than the Dodgers in 2012. So I basically just bet about $1500 on the Rox over Dodgers this year. Go team…
I like our chances against the Dodgers this year.
They really have done less than the Rockies as far as the off-season building is concerned, and I continue to think that Dee Gordon’s overrated compared to his actual production. I wouldn’t make that bet against the Diamondbacks or Giants though. I think we can beat them if things fall right, but those steak stakes would scare me off.
Yep
Thinking about their infield was what persuaded me to do it. Of course, I was desperately trying not to think about Blake, etc. We shall see. The bar tab alone this week was daunting, though most of that was me as the adversary drinks only McCallan 12 (a little easy for a high roller like him) and his kids inexplicably were drinking Jameson despite a pretty strong selection, so maybe I can get off easy.
She's learning...
I wouldn’t make that bet against the Diamondbacks or Giants though.
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I want to say good bet
but the Rox have almost as many question marks as the Dodgers. At this point, I’m inclined to think that Colorado will be above LA in the standings. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were battling it out for last place, but I wouldn’t be that surprised if the Rockies were division contenders either. There’s just too many unknowns for both teams to make a solid prediction about what will happen this season.
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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 9, 2012 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
please tell me you added an extra zero on accident
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 11:14 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Where can six people eat steak and get drinks in Denver for $150?
Don’t say Bennigans or I swear I will put my hand through this screen
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True
But he wasn’t talking about Denver. He said LA. $1500 would almost be a bargain at a top rated steakhouse there.
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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 9, 2012 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
I thought that price was about right considering what LA would call a top steak house
You would be lucky to beat that by much at Del Friscos, Shanahan’s, Elways, or Morton’s
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Now I’m getting hungry…
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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 9, 2012 11:25 AM MST up reply actions
I'm going to Nordy's in an hour
Lunch buffet FTW
by Purple Row Troll on Feb 9, 2012 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
my company Xmas party was at elways, and yeah....
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 11:31 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Anadarko?
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Sorry wrong Andrew
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
This was at the Palm
which is probably not a true “top rated” steakhouse in LA as it is a chain, but the downtown one where we ate is right next to Staples so probably gets a boost in esteem.
What kind of drinks?
I’m sure you could accomplish this at like an Outback or something.
The following only applies if you live in Denver:
Then again, go to your local meat market now; buy 6 New York strips; dry age them for a week; season them and add a little olive oil; grill them up to med rare.
That will probably cost you ~$60 of the $150, with the rest, buy some nice baking potatoes and some fresh asparagus. Prep the asparagus and then marinate the shoots in olive oil, salt, pepper, minced garlic, and a little lime juice (or balsamic), throw them on the grill till they are nice and tender.
With the rest of the money, get some beer, or a handle of something.
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Get well soon Juan.
I live a farm so I can beat that price easy
I was thinking of Steakhouses(not going to count Outback or Texas Roadhouse)
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
So not Commercial Steakhouses
I’ve got a really good meat market here that gives us great prices on cuts of meat. And I always feel like I can cook a steak as good as a high price steak house.
If I’m going to a high price steak house, they better have kobe or waigyu on the menu.
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Get well soon Juan.
This may or may not interest you, but
you can’t really get Kobe beef in the U.S. anymore, because we don’t import beef from Japan. You can get Wagyu, because there’s been a herd of that breed established in the U.S. But any Wagyu you find was probably raised in Texas, not Japan.
by Northsider1964 on Feb 9, 2012 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
I do know the difference between Kobe and Wagyu
I do know that you can get Kobe here (through the internet) but it’s way too expensive to do so. And I don’t care where it was raised as long as the quality is there.
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Yeah, Wagyu has never been arrested in Eagle County...
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by Junction Rox on Feb 9, 2012 1:05 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
i thought argentinian beef was commonly viewed as the best
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Meat you've met before is always the best.
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Didn't mean to question your knowledge on the subject
It’s just that a lot of people think that when they order either in a restaurant, they are getting beef flown in from Japan, when they’re not. You obviously knew that, but many people don’t.
by Northsider1964 on Feb 9, 2012 1:16 PM MST up reply actions
there is a place in Greeley that's real good
its a bar at a country club and not fancy whatsoever, but very good and affordable.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 11:32 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Heh NO
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 11:40 AM MST via Android app up reply actions
Charlie and Dick
know how to raise that beef.
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by sasperilla_pete on Feb 9, 2012 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
I like what the Doubletree does with their porterhouse in Platteville
They are stuck in the 70’s/80’s overall but they use a good cut
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I missed the extra four people
Yeesh. I’ll be rooting for the Rox almost as hard for Teek’s sake as he will himself. no Rox fan should lose $1500 due to the dodgers
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 11:30 AM MST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
rec
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I wouldn't do that
it might hurt you and losing a computer screen can’t be good either (unless you need a reason to get a new one)
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Mortons
yummmmmmmm
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 9, 2012 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
Del Friscos is great if you haven't been before
I would argue best in Denver
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Frankly
I’m probably lowballing it a bit. The bar tab alone, before we even sat down, was something like $350. But I was pushing that up and I doubt I’d do it to myself…
surely he would never return the favor
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 12:50 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Not that you would, but you can always get out of the bet since you made it while drinking
But aside from the price tag, I would say that’s a good bet
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Things Jamie Moyer has going for him this year
Bob Brenly is 2 for 12 lifetime against Jamie Moyer
If we happened to fire Jim Tracy and hire Ryne Sandberg, Ryne walked against Moyer 2 out of 3 PA’s so Ryne wouldn’t feel intimidated
Carlton Fisk won’t be playing against Moyer this year, who is 2 for 3 lifetime
He loves pitching against Dodgers pitchers, including Fernando Valenzuela
Carney Langsford was 2-4 vs him in his day with 2 RBI, So Carney can definatley help Jamie out with what hes doing wrong
Jamie has a chance to continue his matchup with Mike Scoscia, who has a 2 for 7 tab with Moyer along with 2 walks
Moyer will also get a chance to visit one of his favorite batters, Nolan Ryan, whom Moyer has struck out 5 times and Ryan is 0-9 lifetime against Moyer
Manny Ramirez hasn’t found a team yet, he has 10 career Home Runs versus Moyer
Jason Giambi will be on the same team as Jamie whom Jamie has plunked 4 times
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Carlton Fisk
Woah.
Rockies in October
by sasperilla_pete on Feb 9, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions
Fisk played 24 seasons
This is Moyer’s 26th.
Rockies in October
by sasperilla_pete on Feb 9, 2012 11:49 AM MST up reply actions
it would be fun to look back after moyer is done or gone whichever happpens first, to look back and see how far his career stretched 2nd hand, like say the batters he pitched to or played with, how far they went back say to 1969 and he also pitched to a guy who played until 2031
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 9, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
How far back would six degees of Jamie Moyer take you?
"Are they called the Rockies because they rock?" - 7 y.o.
by glaucophane on Feb 9, 2012 9:27 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
Well
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by jrockies on Feb 9, 2012 9:50 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
actually
this answers the forward question
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
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JFK
So when he pitches to Troy Tulowitzki, Jr in 2030
and TT2 goes on to play 20 years for the Rockies, it’s going to be quite a story when TT2 goes on to close out his career with a game winning walk off homer in game 7 of the world series off rookie Jamie Moyer IV…
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by Junction Rox on Feb 9, 2012 10:03 PM MST up reply actions
exactly
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
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JFK
i love this picture
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Yes! I will rec'd this everytime I see it.
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Moyer also owns Bruce Bochy
I’d give some awesome stats, but basically the conclusion we would come to is that Bochy and the Giants suck
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 9, 2012 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
SBNation Yankees blog on NRIs includes four recent Rockies
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 11:58 AM MST via Android app reply actions
Don't include Doug Bernier?
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by Greg Stanwood on Feb 9, 2012 12:23 PM MST up reply actions
I did include him
must have skipped over someone else then.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 12:51 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
probably forget delcarmen?
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nope
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"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 12:55 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
looks like I blocked out Nix
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 12:58 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
hes one of the ones I spotted right away.
/2008’d
i missed delcarmen on first glance which makes sense because i blocked most of september 2010 out of my memory.
PRMLB - Tampa Bay Rays
Considering how pitcher heavy we are
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2011/4/14/2111317/2010-pitching-leaders-on-ba-top-100-prospect-list
This is encouraging
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Wanted to update everyone
I got the promotions job with the Rockies! Not sure exactly what I will be doing but excited to start! Thank you for all your well wishes as I interviewed and such!
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by Bloynoys on Feb 9, 2012 12:08 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
awesome, congrats!
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!!!!
superb
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 12:09 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
!!!That is so cool!!!!
I’m ultra jealous.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 9, 2012 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
Great news!
Good job on that. I would be so excited….
Now, when does the inside scoop start rolling? (obviously, you can’t actually do that…)
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by Junction Rox on Feb 9, 2012 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
Ha I don't know how much contact I get with anyone actually
important, but I’ll probably be able to give you all the secrets of shirt tossing and the Frontier Flyball challenge!
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
Shoot him in the groin with a t-shirt cannon!!!
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 9, 2012 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
and then imply it makes him less of a man!
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Or dinosaur?
Rhinoceros?
Horned Demon?
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 9, 2012 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
let's go with option #3
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The demon ice cream monster
of the future
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 9, 2012 2:17 PM MST up reply actions
now see i don't get why nobody likes dippin dots
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I love dippin' dots
they’re just too expensive
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 9, 2012 2:25 PM MST up reply actions
I've actually never tried them.
They don’t look all that appealing though. Maybe if I were twelve.
The off-season sucks.
That is all.
that's the beauty of the ballpark
we all get to be 12 for a day (except when buying beer)
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Honestly they are really good
Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
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How do "Frosty Bites" taste?
Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
OG Thugget Loyalist #4, QPU Emeritus, Proud member PR Gynocracy
Cat is not a dog...
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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good bye
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
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JFK
I love Dippin Dots
We're trying to win a (#)(*@$%#)@#&$#)^ argument here!!!!
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I wish Dinger was as interesting as a horned demon.
Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
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/defers to Cat's experience and knowledge...
"Surgeons have determined that doing the wave will, yes, will cause tears to the suprapinatus muscle and the infraspinatus muscle from the throwing of an individual's arms rapidly into the air. In addition, any children doing the wave will be sold to the circus. Do NOT do the wave in the ballpark. Doing the wave is safe at pro football games and Miley Cyrus concerts.
-scoreboard announcement at Ranger Ballpark in Arlington via Baseball Nation.
How do you think I know about horned demons?
Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
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IDK, but OT:
I’m on season 2 of BSG… epic.
by The Toddfather's Goatee on Feb 9, 2012 2:20 PM MST up reply actions
You must tell me when you get to the season 2 finale.
All I’m gonna say is to this day, my jaw is still on the floor.
Most Awesome Cliffhanger EVER
Jason Hammel - permanently /2011'd
Happy Now?!
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And maybe read peoples feelings through karaoke?
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OMG
how the hell did you know that was the reference I was going for???? No seriously.
Awesome. ^5
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Happy Now?!
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Nerdz of a feather.... ^5
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That's awesome
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Happy Now?!
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Congratulations!
I realize that this won’t be your field, but could you please do whatever you can to get rid of Toyota Talk?
Congrats and best of luck
Getting a job anywhere these days is quite an accomplishment, but landing an exciting one is even better. Good luck to you.
by Northsider1964 on Feb 9, 2012 12:38 PM MST up reply actions
Sweet
I’ll look for you at games, as I have an idea as to what you will be doing.
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JFK
Now this is outstanding!!!
Keep the updates coming if you can. Hope you find a path where you can work your way up now that you’re in the door.
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by RhodeIslandRoxfan on Feb 9, 2012 10:19 PM MST up reply actions
Excellent! Your working your way up to the GM spot.
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Marc Normandin on Aaron Cook
http://www.overthemonster.com/2012/2/7/2781933/aaron-cook-injuries-boston-red-sox-2012-expectations
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 12:08 PM MST via Android app reply actions
ha. guess the answer is no for everyone
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 6:07 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
I wouldn't know
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"Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too." ~Greg, age 8
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JFK
“Why We Felt Comfortable Trading Jarrod Parker (Oh Yeah, We Still Have Skaggs, Too)” Or, Why The Diamondbacks Remain Division Favorites
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I know why, because they got Cahill back
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by waterboy31321 on Feb 9, 2012 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
trevor "my delivery screams multiple DL visits" cahill
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given brandon mccarthy and brett anderson's twitters,
it’s not implausible
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great read.
Some days, I feel like I’ve accidentally entered the Church of Tulowitzki on Baseball Easter.
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well, you know about fangraphs' anti-rockie policy
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I still find their aquisition of that #7 pick to be mighty fishy
They reach on a reliever, then back off based on injury giving themselves two top 10 picks in the best draft since 05(Imagine having #3 and #7 in that draft)
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Just like the Dodgers drafted Zach Lee, banking on him not signing? Not sure I buy any of those conspiracy theories.
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Well you have to admit there is a gulf between grabbing Zach Lee at #28
and drafting Barret Loux at #6
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One is a superior talent falling to you one is drafting a reliever sixth overall
a year before the supposed deepest draft in years
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Sure, and the Dodgers ownership issues definitely play a part. But I just find it tough to imagine teams giving up a first rounder this year for the potential of a future first rounder.
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If you were the Diamondbacks in 2010 and Pomeranz/Taillon are off the board
your system(pre-skaggs at this point) has one above average pitcher in it(Parker), and he has gone down to TJ and you know how deep in talent the 2011 will be why not draft and not sign Loux? What does it cost you?
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there were different GMs over those time periods
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right but if you were the GM in 2010 what is your downside?
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You lose a year of development. You lose the sure thing. You are betting that someone you covet will fall to your spot, and that doesn’t always happen.
Even if you get someone you like, you have to make sure they are signable since that pick is no longer protected. You lose leverage.
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but byrnes oversaw the draft, dipoto, the skaggs trade, and towers the bauer and bradley picks
i’m just not seeing it
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Byrnes wouldn't have been doing it knowing he was going to get
fired, he was fired before the decision to not sign Loux was made. They then signed three over slot players with their later pick. So the incoming GM (Dipoto) refused to sign the pick the guy he was replacing made. Then that same GM traded for Tyler Skaggs, maybe Byrnes didn’t want to employ that strategy, but why wouldn’t Dipoto?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
everything I saw from that draft pointed towards Loux being
a back of the first round pick, taking him sixth seems like either a stupid pick or a sneaky pick
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we once drafted greg reynolds over evan longoria
stupid happens, man
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but was Tulo and Longoria in the 07 draft together?
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tulo was drafted in 2005
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Understand. Why did we have to pass on Longo?
That would be one awesome left side. Longo, Tulo and now Cargo!
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a question that o'dowd probably asked himself every day for years
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Forget that.
Bangs head on table over and over again
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Because we had Ian Stewart ...
Regular All-star with HOF potential!
Shows why drafting for need is never a good idea at the top of a draft.
Reynolds was the "sure thing" though
Longoria was a 3B, we had the #16 BA prospect in Ian Stewart, and a 26yo Garrett Atkins hitting .324/.394/.507 on Draft Day 2006, that 2006 team gave 32 starts to Josh Fogg, and another 27 to Byung-Hyun Kim taking the highest floor starter wasn’t dumb, just optimistic.
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reynolds was not a #2 draft pick.
no way you can defend that
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He put up 50 innings of 1.42 ERA in AA in 07 with a 3.89 K/BB
and a 53% GB rate. He was a bit of a reach but was well on his way to joining a Ubaldo/Francis/Cook staff that had they all stayed healthy would have been great in 09-11. He wasn’t a Bryan Bullington type pick, he just got hurt.
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Not being the GM in 2011?
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You think Dipoto thought not signing Loux
would cost him a shot at the 2012 Job?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Sorry the 2011 job?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
i bet it was the central thought in his mind
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Really? The guy who had reached for him
was already fired, he was a back of the first round reliever if I am Dipoto I plan from day one to concentrate on signing the other guys.
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(i was kidding)
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Clearly not
but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t still be the downside.
In this case, I don’t think it had anything to do with the path of DiPoto’s career, though…
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What would you do in Dipoto's situation?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
Make bad jokes like I'm doing here
Which is why I’m probably never going to be in DiPoto’s situation..
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Sickels' Prospect Analysis: Elite Prospects from 2007
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/2/9/2785875/prospect-analysis-elite-prospects-from-2007
Some pretty solid names in there … including one SS you may have heard of:
Troy Tulowitzki: 697 games, 2974 PA, peak WAR 6.5, total WAR 24.5: Excellent.
and he will declare alot of WAR in the coming years.
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Wow, that was a great class of position prospects
Tulo isn’t even the leader in WAR: Braun and Longoria both beat him out; Braun with a couple hundred more PAs, Longoria with like 500 less
If Tulo hadn't had that awful 2008(he should have been on the DL)
he and Longo would be on the same pace
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Extremely Random
Does anyone have a picture of Ron Hassey in a Rockies uniform from when he coached here?
Is it April yet?
Renck tweeted that the Rockies told him only Chris Nelson and Esmil Rogers are out of options.
Two possible explanations here.
The more likely: the Rockies don’t know their own system very well (which we know to be true from last year) or they misreported something.
The more interesting: the new CBA changes to the fourth option actually broaden its use, rather than restrict it.
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Maybe they meant something like...
“The only Rockies who might disappear because they are out of options” are Nelson and Rogers.
Or are there others in this category?
by Northsider1964 on Feb 9, 2012 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
escalona, young, roenicke off the top of my head
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Escalona has an option year remaining for sure.
Young and Roenicke do not, unless something changed.
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by Greg Stanwood on Feb 9, 2012 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
Also, Gomez and Moscoso are "out" of options but qualify for bonus option under at least the old CBA.
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by Greg Stanwood on Feb 9, 2012 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
I think Roenicke makes the team
now that Lindstrom’s gone, though Putnam might unseat him. I forgot about EY – he’s definitely in limbo, in my opinion.
by Northsider1964 on Feb 9, 2012 2:03 PM MST up reply actions
#refuse2beignored
#butwillprobablygettraded
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ah that's right
wow, how did i forget that? i just mentioned it the other day as a reason he might not make the OD roster…
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Question.
I was looking at RockiesRoster.com and noticed that Casey Blake has 3 options left.
When a player changes teams, do they get 3 more options? Or has he just not ever used any? He has 9 years of MLB service.
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That's just a mistake on my part on the data entry.
I’ve fixed it. Players with more than 5 years of service can no longer be optioned freely to the minors. They have to consent regardless of how many they’ve used.
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by Greg Stanwood on Feb 9, 2012 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
Ok, I was just wondering. Thank you
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Renck says there is some mild interest in Esmil Rodgers
Heard things similar about EY2 earlier in the offseason. Both seem to be in limbo and don’t have much prospect with the Rockies. Both could be moved. Wonder what kind of return we could get
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I have no idea for EY but I would just give Esmil away.
Probably not, but I would say not very much
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Yeah, I'm almost hoping that at least EY2 is traded
I can respect elite speed, but letting Tracy play him in the outfield is terrible. I cringe every time a ball is hit EY2s way
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If I was Luhnow I would try to get both
Play EY in LF, Bourgeois in RF, Schafer in CF Altuve at 2B and play Whitey ball
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:26 PM MST up reply actions
and Carlos Lee
and Walrus
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Who could we get for those 2 from them?
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hopefully a 19yo latin MIF
those are the guys who come out of nowhere to become Cano, Hanley and Reyes the more the better
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
Why trade Esmil for nothing.
When he’ll be a good bullpen piece? Don’t do it Dan..
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
trade him for something.
Just wont get a lot in my opinion.
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LOL. I was thinking a set of bats and a bag of balls.
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...
Which is my point.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:30 PM MST up reply actions
Francis is back in the NL. Minor league deal but he is back.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-redsmoves
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He won't succeed there.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
NL Central opponents
I dunno. I think he stands a good chance to succeed at it. Hopefully Dusty won’t break him.
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GBP.
Francis is a flyball guy and has lost some velocity/movement. I don’t see it going well, but I’d love to be proven wrong.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:25 PM MST up reply actions
francis isn't a flyball pitcher
never has been
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He's right there in the middle.
I don’t think the stuff will translate well to GBP, and he’ll give up a lot of HRs.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:30 PM MST up reply actions
When did Francis become a flyball pitcher?
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Stuff-wise, he is.
The numbers don’t exactly tell of someone who is a groundball pitcher. He’s somewhere in the middle.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:36 PM MST up reply actions
his ground-ball rate the last two years has been 47%
MLB average has been 44%
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Because in 2011 he lived and died off his changeup.
Which is what happens when your FB velocity average is 85mph. I see a guy who will give up a lot of bombs at GBP
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:41 PM MST up reply actions
francis has been at or above the leage GB% every year of his career
just because he might give up home runs in a home run friendly park does not make him a flyball pitcher, giving up exorbitant amounts of flyballs does, and he doesn’t do that
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He's been more or less average.
And I expect it to go up at GBP.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:44 PM MST up reply actions
you expect his FB% to go up in Cincy? Huh?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 3:47 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
It's more of a prediction, a guess than anything.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
GABP has a 92 and 94 park factor for OFFB
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LHB/RHB
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Do you mean pop-ups turning into flyballs in tiny parks?
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???
wut
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:41 PM MST up reply actions
It was a joke.
You know inducing pop-ups that turn into homeruns because of park dimensions……
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NL Central
without Fielder, Pujols, Votto, and maybe Braun. He has a shot
/Votto because he’s on the same team
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Less of a hitting park than GBP.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
AL Central
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:38 PM MST up reply actions
Last time I checked they still had the DH in the AL central instead of letting the pitcher hit.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Oh really.
I would’ve never guessed that. Hm who knew.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:42 PM MST up reply actions
Which totally puts your arguement to rest that
We should discount what he did in the AL Central. Francis will be a 2 fWAR pitcher this year if given the chance, and there is nothing that suggest he won’t be.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
and if he makes the reds,
he’ll spend most of his time pitching against the astros, pirates, and cubs, they of the 90, 85, and 84 wRC+ last year
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actually cubs were 90, astros were 85, and pirates were 84
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But now the Cubs have Ian Stewart so there's that
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I don't think claiming that the AL has a DH puts to rest my argument at all.
One bit.
Where do you find fWAR, btw? I’d like to take a look.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
fangraphs
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looked.
Link me up please
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:49 PM MST up reply actions
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4684&position=P
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tigers were above average, and the twins, white sox, and indians were all basically average
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Francis’s numbers were not very good last year.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
Oh really?
A 4.48 k/9 is slightly lower then his career average, his 1.92/bb is a lot better then his career average, his HR/9 stayed pretty much in check, his BABIP was a bit higher, and his GB% was right in line with what he has done over his career.
Oh and his HR/FB rate, much much lower last year then his normal 10% Francis did amazing things last year coming back from his shoulder injury and its a shame we couldn’t sign him to a minor league deal instead of Moyer..
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
Extremely hittable.
The quality of basically all of his pitches have gone down significantly.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
.316 BABIP last year, .310 career
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And if you look at it even closer
Francis 2007: 6.9 k/9 2.63 bb/9 1.04 HR/9 10% HR/FB
Francis 2011: 4.48 k/9 1.92 bb/9 0.93 HR/9 and 8.5% HR/FB
The only stat he didn’t improve upon was his K/9, and that was pitching in a harder league, where he didn’t have the benefit of pitching to pitchers and NL bench fodder
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
He's just too hittable for my liking.
I don’t expect it to go down with a move to GBP either. I just don’t expect good things from him in Cincy next year
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:51 PM MST up reply actions
So
Your like the guys in the Movie Money Ball, who were sitting around the table saying this OBP thing isn’t going to work. Stats and facts be damned.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
I'm saying he's too hittable.
Which he obviously is. K/9 shows that, H/9 shows that.
Moving from KCR —→ CIN could make it even worse, which is what I’m guessing happens.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:55 PM MST up reply actions
By the way, this is a really ridiculous comment.
I said he was too hittable and you flashed me numbers that didn’t disprove that fact. Then insult me. Come on man.
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
You want stats?
Last year he was giving up about 11 Hits per 9
His career total is 10 hits per 9…. so yes he’s given up more hits, but he also has to pitch to DH’s for one, and all of his other numbers where still better.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
where francis will probably get beaten up is LOB% and BABIP
GABP increases line drives by about 9% to each handed batter
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i hope i'm wrong though
because Jeff’s one of my favorite MLB players
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by CentralCaliRox on Feb 9, 2012 3:53 PM MST up reply actions
Made me smile...
Here’s the thing: Fielder is a great hitter, period. His .399 on-base percentage since ’07 is fourth among lefties, behind Joey Votto, Joe Mauer and Todd Helton.
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but you can bet your bottom dollar that Fielder will get in the HOF before Helton.
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whoa there
let’s not get ahead of ourselves, here
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He is a big time ball player that everyone focuses on all the time.
So yea, who cares about Helton except us?
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he's also 27
and has once season above 6 WAR, plays terrible defense, is a bad baserunner, and has a body that should age like milk left out in georgia; helton is generally agreed to be a borderline hall of famer at this point
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Ten years ago, Helton was closer to present day Pujols than Fielder
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 3:40 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
true, but he still won't get into the hall very fast.
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I'm not sure about that.
Helton is about 10 years older than Prince so time gives him a head start :)
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Thank God
Troy Renck confirmed they are planning to have a humidor in at Colorado Springs. Maybe stats will actually count for something this season.
we heard that from Dick Monfort a few months ago
it just has to happen.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Feb 9, 2012 4:49 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Here's the link (haven't seen it here):
Includes other tidbits from DOD plus a video of him talking mostly about the pitching.
This link says Chacin better watch his back, O'Dowd publically saying he is disappointed
should make him very nervous
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They've wanted too
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i. am. vindicated.
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 9, 2012 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
JFK's Quote of the Day:
“(Babe) Ruth made a grave mistake when he gave up pitching. Working once a week he might have lasted a long time and become a great star.” ~Tris Speaker
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That's funny.
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I have always wondered if this was tongue and cheek from Spoke
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The sources I find
indicate he either said it in 1919 or 1921, so well before he actually stopped playing.
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At that point it probably made sense just like the Pedro Martinez for Delino Deshields quote
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Scoring rules question:
If a batter GIDP to end an inning, does the runner that makes the first out of the DP count towards the hitters LOB total?
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by The Lodo Magic Man on Feb 9, 2012 6:33 PM MST reply actions
I would say no
as he was actually put out.
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i agree
lob is usually runners stranded, if the runner is put out he is not stranded. It gets recorded as the batter hitting into a DP.
Is it April yet?
I'm going to guess that he does count against the hitter's LOB
but not against the team number that represents the runners who actually died on base at the end of each inning. Hitter’s LOB seems to include any runner who does not score during a particular AB, so I put this runner in that category. But I could be wrong – certainly wouldn’t be the first time.
by Northsider1964 on Feb 9, 2012 8:20 PM MST up reply actions
If he makes an out in any way
I think it counts as LOB but a walk or a hit that doesn’t score a run won’t count people as LOB (for either the player or the team).
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Sorry, that's actually what I meant
I should have said, “any particular AB that results in an out.”
by Northsider1964 on Feb 9, 2012 8:31 PM MST up reply actions
I just thought I would clarify
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Renck said he expects Guthrie to start OD
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