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Spring Training Game #15: Soreness as Strategy?

Randy Johnson's first real game work this Spring is what's drawing the headlines, but don't look for his two innings to tell us anything about how strong he'll be come the regular season. What's more, it's too short a look for our starting position players to get a really good idea of what to expect. Let's hope we bat around both innings just to maximize their preparation.

Last Spring, we talked about how the Diamondbacks would deliberately shift their pitchers via "B" games and split squad contests to avoid over-exposure to the three other NL West clubs that play in the Cactus League. Who knows, maybe the strategy helped the Snakes to that half game edge they had for the division title last year. At any rate, so far this Spring, the only D-back pitcher with more than five innings pitched is Brandon Webb, who has nine, all against AL opponents. The Rockies have six pitchers over five, but that includes a few relievers and our most veteran starters aren't among them. It seems nobody's getting a lot of legit exposure yet, with the exception of today's starter for the Rockies, Josh Towers, who already has eight Cactus League innings under his belt. A solid start today pushes him easily into the Rockies lead in that category, and I would suggest it would give him a little separation in the quest for fifth starterdom.

Speaking of RJ, Lisa Winston at milb.com looks into the quirks of "B" Games, and includes one of the more awkward looking pictures of the young Big Unit that I have seen. Maybe too many embarrassing photos like this are the real reason the Expos had to leave Montreal.

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We'll know Johnson isn't
all right if he pitches wide of the zone and strikes a bird flying across the area around home plate.
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence

by Russ Oates on Mar 10, 2008 1:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Should have
the video to go with it.
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence

by Russ Oates on Mar 10, 2008 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Eh
The bird deserved it. Fly in front of a Randy Johnson fastball, ya ask for what ya get. ;)
"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

man
look at those chicken legs.
we may never see another year like 2007

by roxfan4life on Mar 10, 2008 1:04 PM MDT reply actions  

Lineups, and some notes about the enemy
can be found here

Iannetta and Sullivan start for the Rockies, Giles DH's and bats leadoff. Nix is at second and otherwise it's our primary group.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 1:45 PM MDT reply actions  

broadcast of this game?
So there is no audio or video for this game?

:-(

by cdavis2488 on Mar 10, 2008 1:53 PM MDT reply actions  

Nope
Sorry, I can't even get Gameday to work yet.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here
is the Gameday link.  Any reason in particular why two NL teams are using a DH?  And any reason why it's Giles of all people?

by oo_nrb on Mar 10, 2008 2:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Arizona requested the DH for Johnson
And Colorado obliged. We had made a similar request to them last week. As to why Giles, one possibility is to give him more potential trade exposure. He was rumored to be potentially on the block by Ken Rosenthal this weekend thanks to Baker's emergence.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Makes sense
on both counts.  I sure am glad to have the Row here to help keep these kinds of things straight :) .

by oo_nrb on Mar 10, 2008 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Towers
already giving up a homer and a single in the first 3 AB's...

by oo_nrb on Mar 10, 2008 2:14 PM MDT reply actions  

... And as soon as Drew
has been disparaged, he hits a homer off Towers.

Wait, that isn't that hard. <mumbles>

"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 2:16 PM MDT reply actions  

You know
the thing about control and finesse guys is that you can never say when they just -- won't -- have it. 4-zip Snakes, Towers not looking very hot.
"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 2:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Ugh
4-0 D'Backs now.  I know these games mean nothing, but I really wanted to give Johnson an unpleasant homecoming...

by oo_nrb on Mar 10, 2008 2:20 PM MDT reply actions  

Yes Please
cause our other prospects for the # 5 job isn't really wowing anyone. (assuming Morales is in, and Hirsh is hurt)
Printing "Jeff Baker for Second" bumper stickers

by Redhawk on Mar 10, 2008 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Towers
Is it the Springs for him or outright release?
Every day is a Holliday!

by free7694 on Mar 10, 2008 2:25 PM MDT reply actions  

I'd prefer
to not see him sully the Sky Sox uniform...but I suppose he does have some good in him...so I say Springs, but very carefully.

by oo_nrb on Mar 10, 2008 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Springs
He still isn't showing any wildness -just one walk all Spring- which means he could just still be searching for that precise location he needs to be successful. The problem, of course, is getting hit this hard just won't cut it, and he should be starting to reduce the damage done to him by this point in March. I still don't think it's as big of a problem as Wells has, where he's got several walks to no strikeouts, but it's a big enough one that he certainly shouldn't be on the big league club if this continues.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

The thing is
Towers does need to be find his location consistently in order to be even a league-average contributor, never mind a good one, and if we just have to flip a coin on a game-by-game basis and pray it's there, it's a risk I'd rather not take. Wells is clearly unstable (get 'em a straitjacket!) Towers is suspect, which means...

Help us Mark Redman, you're our only hope?

Zoinks.

"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Josh Fogg
is looking better and better, huh?
Printing "Jeff Baker for Second" bumper stickers

by Redhawk on Mar 10, 2008 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also
if the alternative to wildness is piping them enticingly right into the strike zone, that is also a problem.
"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly, both are poison
Hopefully Towers keeps his inning two self around the rest of the Spring, because he's not going to remain an option with any more starts like this.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Does anybody know what's going on
or are we all at the mercy of Gameday today? Schnikey. Anyone know the operator and/or have good bribery material?
"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 2:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Ugh
Tulo with a double, but 3 outs around him on the lineup card.  I've got to go to class, I suppose I'll pass the time praying for a Big Unit breakdown.

by oo_nrb on Mar 10, 2008 2:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Ah-HA!
Just like that, we get three of 'em back. Atkins single, Hawpe single, Iannetta takes the Unit a very, very long way.
"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 2:41 PM MDT reply actions  

Iannetta batting .545
I don't know how many plate appearances, but it seems like he's had at least a fair amount.

by dogs on Mar 10, 2008 2:49 PM MDT reply actions  

That was his eleventh AB
and sixth hit. What's even more crazy is that five of them have been for extra bases, he entered today with a .900 SLG.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Iannetta..
I think he has been amazing all spring, even if he hasn't been playing as much as some guys, all those extra basehits and that slugging percentage...WOW! I hope they will show the homer tonight on the news or something...
Loves Troy *Thug 4 life* Tulowitzki, Garrett *Fankles* Atkins, Ryan *the Director* Spilborghs, MattyVP Holliday, Chris Iannetta,and the Rockies in general.

by tulolover on Mar 10, 2008 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Matthew!
Your studliness quotient includes no algorithms for leaving them loaded. Even in spring training. Tsk tsk.
"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 2:53 PM MDT reply actions  

Nix?!
Wow. 5-4 us.
"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 3:05 PM MDT reply actions  

Nix!
Shows signs of life and gives us the lead with a 2-run homer!
Every day is a Holliday!

by free7694 on Mar 10, 2008 3:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Nix!
It's all or nothing with this guy, apparently, second hit, second HR of the Spring!

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 3:06 PM MDT reply actions  

I like
how you and free both posted, Nix! in jubiliation with just the exclamation point, while I post Nix?! , adding a question mark in a mix of confusion and bemused ecstasy.
"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, apparently some of us are more aboard
the Nix bandwagon than others. I'm actually really conflicted right now between him and Baker.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was just glad
that Nix finally did something. I personally like Baker for the 2B job.
Every day is a Holliday!

by free7694 on Mar 10, 2008 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

i want baker to make it.
i wouldnt mind nix as a PH or spot starter
we may never see another year like 2007

by roxfan4life on Mar 10, 2008 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think that's the general consensus
I too am aboard the Jeff Baker For President Starting Second Baseman bandwagon, but if Nix can get his bat in gear, I'd be just as amenable to having another potentially golden glove in the infield. But with Baker having 15+ HR potential and Iannetta's emergence (assuming Hurdle ever lets him play)... that is one hell of a lineup.
"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree..
It will be one hell of a lineup! Hopefully 'Netta will see some more time this season (I don't think there is any way it could be less time). I think we should score some more runs here, it wouldn't be a bad idea...
Loves Troy *Thug 4 life* Tulowitzki, Garrett *Fankles* Atkins, Ryan *the Director* Spilborghs, MattyVP Holliday, Chris Iannetta,and the Rockies in general.

by tulolover on Mar 10, 2008 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Smith subs for Hawpe early
I'm thinking it's because Arizona plans on using minor leaguers the rest of the way as far as their pitching goes, Brad probably was just starting to get more swings against the lefty Johnson.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 3:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Towers was scruffy in the beginning
But he cleaned up nicely. Perfect save the Atkins error in innings two through four.

That still leaves me a bit mixed about the outing, I still think he might be a better option than Redman for the spot.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 3:22 PM MDT reply actions  

Hurdle giving the green light in Spring
Apparently Iannetta's HR came on a 3-0 count. Joe Koshansky was given the go ahead to swing on the same count yesterday, but didn't quite achieve the same result. It looks like Clint's trying to let our guys get their hacks in over strategy. I definitely applaud that decision.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 3:28 PM MDT reply actions  

...for now.
I definitely should have added that caveat, I don't mind him pulling the freedom from several of our guys (ahem Clint Barmes) during the regular season.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

one more on the single from atkins!
6-4 now, I think the 3 hits can cover up that error..
Loves Troy *Thug 4 life* Tulowitzki, Garrett *Fankles* Atkins, Ryan *the Director* Spilborghs, MattyVP Holliday, Chris Iannetta,and the Rockies in general.

by tulolover on Mar 10, 2008 3:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice inning for Fuentes, sort of
Two baserunners on the walk and single, but he erased one by pickoff and got K's for the other two outs. He's been solid this Spring, now it should be time for Reynolds.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 3:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Doh,
Reynolds allows the HR to Burke to cut the lead to 6-5.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 3:56 PM MDT reply actions  

Reynolds
Ya still have a little while to go to be ready for the Show, son...
"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 4:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice...
Two out rally by Spilly, Barmes and Smith, in a possible preview of our bench this year.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 4:20 PM MDT reply actions  

More Keith Law Rockie slamming
Here it is more anti-Rocks diatribe.
  • Franklin Morales' outing Sunday adds more trouble to the Rockies' growing pile of pitching woes. With Aaron Cook and Jason Hirsh both sidelined with shoulder soreness and Luis Vizcaino out with elbow soreness, Colorado is more likely to need Morales to take one spot in its Opening Day rotation. Morales' stuff, however, is nowhere near what it was last season, when he was working at 94-97 mph with a toxic slider and earned the No. 8 spot in this year's ranking of the top 100 prospects in baseball. On Sunday, he worked at 86-91 mph, and dropped down to just 86-87 in the second inning before bouncing back with a few 90-91 mph fastballs in the third inning. He didn't throw his slider and threw just a few changeups, a pitch on which he's allegedly working but which still grades out as below-average. Making matters worse was his poor fastball command; he couldn't locate the pitch and couldn't just blow it by most hitters, although the Giants are a fortuitous opponent for a pitcher working without his best stuff. I spoke to a scout who'd seen Morales' prior outing, and he saw the same things I did. It's an ominous sign at a point in the spring when most pitchers are approaching their normal in-season velocity.
  • Jayson Nix may be in line for the Rockies' starting second base job, but they'll be looking for an upgrade in short order. He's behind anything better than an average fastball and doesn't recognize breaking stuff well. His swing is long, and he tends to pull off the ball. In six full seasons in the minors, Nix has only hit well twice in 2003 in the hitter-friendly California League, and last year as a repeater in Colorado Springs.

by PinchHitLancePainter on Mar 10, 2008 4:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Morales is holding back right now
Law's right in that his velocity's off, but it's not at all the same kind of ominous sign as Owings' mid 80's day the other day. I really think Morales is holding back, trying to find the perfect zone where his velocity's hard enough to beat MLB hitters, but soft enough to leave him in command. It worked a lot better against San Fran, as he wasn't all over the place, and his third inning was a sign to me that he was getting comfortable with it.

With Nix, he was spot on until Jayson hammered one off of a pretty hard thrower in Cruz this afternoon.  Besides the point that expecting Jayson to win games with his bat is more than anybody in the Rockies is saying, anyway.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Another thing,
I was going back through my notes of the audio broadcast and the SF announcers were saying 93 on a couple of pitches, specifically a sequence of 91-76-93, which I think was with the K of Ortmeier in the first. I'd probably believe Law's gun over the stadium's if that's where they were getting the readings from, but I took the effective mix of speeds as a good sign.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

This was something
I was noticing even last year w/ Morales.  He was way down in his velocity from what I was hearing at Tulsa.  His arm may have been tired, but I was expecting upper 90's from him and never really saw it.

On the other hand, Jimenez was supposedly working 92-95 at Colorado Springs, and worked above that consistently for the Rox.  Its strange that way.

As long as Morales gets outs, preferrably w/ the ability to still get K's, I can live w/ it.

by smokinRox on Mar 10, 2008 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, come on
"anti-Rocks diatribe"?  This "Keith Law hates the Rox" thing needs to stop.  I don't completely agree with the article either (he ignores the boxscore, where Morales did pretty good) but I SERIOUSLY doubt the man has an anti-Rockies bias.  What reason would he have any?
"I want to live forever or die trying" Yossarian in "Catch-22"

by Dieb on Mar 10, 2008 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with this too, actually
I think Keith is just a critical thinker by nature, and his approach will come out seeming quite negative most of the time (for instance, starting off his post with negatives, which he does a lot, for most teams that I've noticed not just the Rockies) and abrasively confident ("ominous" is a very strong word to use) but I've come to understand that to be just his way of getting his thoughts across. If you look at them fairly, they're usually at least logical and his reasoning is sound.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Now Rogers
is blowing it late. Grrr.
"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 5:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Woot!
The Purple Row jinx is in full effect today!

Actually, I don't know why I just cheered about that.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hehehe
That doesn't count, I posted it after it was already 10-9. :P
"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was a forgettable inning for Rogers.
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence

by Russ Oates on Mar 10, 2008 5:16 PM MDT reply actions  

Allowing runs on throwing errors or wild pitches
Is generally not recommended, no.

It shows that maybe he's not quite as close as Apodaca says after all. Sometimes he looks absolutely incredible, others you just want to bang your head against the wall because you think you're crazy for liking him so much before.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gotta love Gameday.
In play, no out.

Omar Quintanilla ground outs . . .

"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence

by Russ Oates on Mar 10, 2008 5:25 PM MDT reply actions  

And.... we lose.
Sheee-ut.
"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 5:27 PM MDT reply actions  

At least we were winning with the MLB guys
Not a good day for our minor leaguers against their minor leaguers, though.

by Rox Girl on Mar 10, 2008 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

MOST TEAMS HAVE SENT PLAYERS DOWN.......
(Rotoworld)....anybody seen anything on the Rox?
92 in 08

by 86 wins in 07 on Mar 10, 2008 6:40 PM MDT reply actions  

Per the Post
(article here), Esmil Rogers and Pedro Strop were optioned, and Casey Weathers, Greg Reynolds, Brandon Hynick, Zach McClellan, and Alberto Arias were reassigned, to minor-league camp. Not up on the difference, exactly, but there you go.
"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 10, 2008 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rogers and Strop
are on the 40-man roster, the others aren't. Players on the 40-man roster are optioned, non-roster invitees are reassigned.
"Don't give up the ship!" - Capt. James Lawrence

by Russ Oates on Mar 10, 2008 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

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