Pregame Discussion- Mohr or less a rotation/trade post.
I'm going to respond to Tracy Ringolsby's column in the Rocky Mountain News as a sign of respect because really I like Ringolsby and Etkin the most out of the Denver baseball media, they remind me of the cattle trail cook characters in old Western movies who are both filled with hokey wisdom that's valuable and hokey wisdom that's not so valuable. Most of Ringolsby's quarterly report falls into the valuable category, but I'd take exception to two things.
First he doesn't put enough of the onus of the Rockies poor start on the poor performance of our "veteran" outfielders. Wilson we've covered, Holliday is touched on frequently but our "big" free agent signing of the off-season, Dustan Mohr, also needs to shoulder some of the responsibility. Granted, Mohr wasn't the Rockies' first choice, as they tried half heartedly to lure David Dellucci from the Rangers but wouldn't go to two plus seasons with the contract we offered. Dellucci ended up signing with the Rangers for two years at $1.8 million or the exact same per year value of what we wound up giving Mohr for one year. Would we rather have a Dellucci/Holliday split in left and Hawpe manning right field alone right now? You bet.
Second, as far as Jason Jennings, I kind of touched on this in my Saturday pregame, but let's just look at things from a straight up gut level as they stand at the moment.
First, let's look at the rotation as it stands right now:
Top Pair
Shawn Chacon
Jeff Francis
Bottom Group
Jason Jennings
Joe Kennedy
Jamey Wright
In a month it will look a little different:
Top Pair
Shawn Chacon
Jeff Francis
Wildcard:
Aaron Cook
Bottom Pair:
J. Jennings
J. ?
About the only thing certain is the first initial, although it's assumed that the odd man out will either be Jamey Wright or Joe Kennedy (probably Wright). Now, look at that rotation and tell me that it could be the rotation of a team that makes it to the playoffs. Maybe if we had a Boston or St. Louis lineup backing it up, it's conceivable, but we don't so forget about it. I leave Aaron Cook floating in the middle because to be truthful, we just don't know how he'll come back. We want to assume he'll return quickly to the form he left in but that's just because we're a fangirl (apparently a royal fangirl with the first person plural pronouns) and not based on any real knowledge of the stuff. What if he doesn't?
Now, for our rotation in some future place of contention, based solely on what we have now in the system:
- Ubaldo Jiminez? Juan Morillo?
- Francis
- Cook
- Chacon
- Jennings? Kennedy? Player X?
Anyway you slice it therefore, our rotation depth is extremely thin, our future isn't as secure as we would like it to be, and the only way to make it more secure is to build enough quality depth in the system so that when the inevitable something goes wrong, we always have a next best option waiting. If we stack our staff with enough young number twos or threes, we won't need a number one. How do we get those twos or threes if they're not already waiting in the system? The short answer is we trade with contending teams that have them to spare. Pitching rich systems like Atlanta, the Cubs or Dodgers for instance that have needs that maybe we can meet, does a Jason Jennings trade meet those team's needs? Maybe not, but if it does, I'm just suggesting we take a long hard look at what they have to offer before dismissing it out of hand.
Which brings me to my last point, what exactly is it that we're still waiting for Jason Jennings to become that he hasn't already shown he is? We know he's a consistent twelve plus game winner that has slow starts and heats up as the season goes on. We know that as other pitchers start wearing down he gets stronger and we know that his sinker can be devastating at times or his lack of it can render us devastated. Ringolsby takes a gloomy approach to the trade, lamenting that if Jennings becomes good we'll be sorry, but the only reason that will be true is if we fail to get anything valuable offered in return (everybody blasted the Marlins trade that sent Derrek Lee to Chicago as a fire sale, but Dontrelle Willis turned out all right [editor's note, Willis was actually part of the Matt Clement to the Cubs deal as pointed out in the comments- thnx to Mark D] and all it took was Victor Zambrano to pry Scott Kazmir from the Mets last year) in which case, the answer is simple: don't trade him. Just don't turn down getting a brighter hope for the future because we're still waiting for the lesser hope we have to materialize.
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Nice entry.
by Rox Fan in TN on May 23, 2005 5:02 PM MDT reply actions
Innings Pitched at Coors Field
Could Jennings be an ace some where else? I doubt it. A solid #3 guy? Maybe....Probably. But I think he's as good as he will be here which isn't all that good and any Darren Oliver, Shawn Estes fill-in could do that good. Which means he's more valuable to the Rockies for a trade for some hitting prospects. Especially if one of the the prospects is a power hitting Catcher.(do they exist anymore?)
But his goes with my theory How-to build the Rockies into a contender. I would have the best hitters I could find (mostly power hitters, but some slap contact speed guys for the road slumps)...and the cheapest pitchers...some home grown until they flame out or get service time and cost money where I trade them for more hitting prospects, & some reclimation free agents.
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Dontrelle Willis
And I don't think Jennings is ever going to be a rotation guy on a good team. Sorry.
by Mark D on May 23, 2005 8:13 PM MDT reply actions
Mark's right on this one
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by thecubdo on May 23, 2005 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Oops, thanks for the correction
It's interesting that you should say that about Jennings, because at the time of the Clement deal a lot of pundits were saying the exact same thing about him. Honestly, when I look at the rotation the Cardinals put up last year, the bottom of the Braves rotation -Leo Mazzone's dark arts notwithstanding- of the last couple of years (and this year with Thomson and Hampton on the DL, do you think they would mind having one more former Rockie as a backup?) the Angels, the Giants, even the bottom of the Twins staff, I see a lot of Jenningsesque starters out there. I wouldn't ever expect him to be any sort of leader on a staff, but he's as durable as anything (we both folow Mark Prior, we should know that this has some value) and on any league average offensive team he should pick up more wins. You might be right about his future performance, but I'm guessing that this year with the dearth of starters available via trade, Jennings is more valuable as a commodity than we realize (unlike Preston Wilson, who seems to be worth less) and that's why I think we pull the trigger now.
well...
And the Rockies probably won't get better in the length of his career with them, either.
by Mark D on May 24, 2005 1:12 PM MDT reply actions



















