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Views from the Top Row - Depth at catcher?

What a strange concept coming out of Seattle

All indications, then, are the Mariners will look for a veteran catcher. Again.

Benito Santiago's name will surely surface, but he remains an unlikely solution, since the Mariners have passed on him twice in the past month, once in a trade and again as a free agent. Greg Myers, 39, who was released by the Blue Jays last month, remains available. Colorado has good depth at the position, which could make Todd Greene expendable.

This is the first time I've heard this, and I have no idea why they would think we have enough depth at the position to dispose of Greene, particularly with Closser only beginning to emerge from his funk ahead of him.

I missed Rox Head's quarter season grades when they came out a few days ago, but it looks like Head Bum's higher than the rest of the Rockies blog community on the value of Jamey Wright, and acually it's hard to argue with him especially after last night. As far as trades are concerned it's kind of hard to tell by the grades, but it looks like HB feels that a trade of Preston Wilson will serve us well by leaving with playing time for the farm, but a trade of Joe Kennedy will bring in the most return player value. Judging by his grades, it also appears that we're in agreement that shipping Todd Greene to the Mariners would not be a wise decision at this juncture.

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It's discussion time. Today I want to start making a real consensus about the value of players for trade. I think it will be an interesting exercise. I want my readers to rate as many of the forty man roster as they care to on a scale from one to five, with five meaning we absolutely shouldn't let this player go no matter what, while one means we should trade him for anything at the earliest convenience. Three means you're ambivalent and don't really care either way. I'm just going to post their names in the Comment threads and you could rate as we go or just pick the ones you like. I'm eliminating Marcos Carvajal and Matt Merricks from contention since as Rule Five players they can't be traded without first being offered back to the Dodgers.[editor's note, by Rox Girl] Oops, that was a bad case of memory lapse, we can trade Carvajal or Merricks without offering them back to the Dodgers so long as the next club down the line puts them on the twenty-five man roster. I'll just leave them out still, though since I assume nobody would want to give them up right now anyway. If you do, just add a comment to the bottom.

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He's not making as much as ESPN says he's making, right? Or, at least not from the Rockies?

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:15 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, he's getting 5.9 million of that from...
the Tigers, so don't worry about it coming out of our pocket.

by Rox Girl on May 31, 2005 1:32 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Once again, I don't think we'd get much in return... we're not trying to move guys just for the sake of moving them.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:14 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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One of only two starters I trust. Probably has more value than most of the other players, though.

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:19 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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His salary really limits what we would get in return anyway.  And honestly, what guy in the farm system would pitch better than Chacon?

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:15 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Our current best starter.

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:07 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I doubt anyone would take him because of his injury, anyway.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:16 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Our ace in a couple of years.

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:07 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I'm only half-sure he's not a figment of our collective unconscious.

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:28 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Not much reason to keep him, but once again, what would we get in return?

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:17 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I wouldn't mind never seeing most of this year's bullpen ever again. I also wouldn't mind having to eat crow here, either.

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:16 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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He's still young, and he was pretty good last year, so let's give him another chance

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:17 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Good stuff, screwed up head from lack of experience.

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:09 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I bet we could get some pretty good players for him, though! Then again, we'd be giving up a lot, too.

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:17 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Yeah, right... why would we move a guy making rookie salary and pitching this well?

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:18 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Don't ever trade young lefties

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:09 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I don't think we can trick the Giants into believing he's really a closer, anyway. I also don't know what my fascination is with screwing over the Giants.

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:30 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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With Tsao out for the season, we need Fuentes around.  Lefthanders don't grow on trees, either.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:18 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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It really depends on what we can get for him, in my book.

by Rox Girl on May 31, 2005 1:10 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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His last outing makes me want to think twice about trading him.  Sure, he's no better than a #4 starter, but we need to let him hang around until one of our prospects (U-ball, Morillo) is ready.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:19 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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No way, U-ball stays on until we know what he's got.

by Rox Girl on May 31, 2005 1:10 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5
Definitely need to find out what he can bring.

by Russ on May 31, 2005 1:13 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Uhhh... why would we move him?  You give up prospects when you're trying to get veteran help late in the season, not when you're trying to get rid of ridiculous salaries because you're hopelessly out of contention.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:20 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Similar to Jennings

by Rox Girl on May 31, 2005 1:11 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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See my thoughts on Jennings... there's nobody in the farm system who's ready to come up and take a spot in the rotation right now.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:21 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Ok, it's alright to trade lefties sometimes. We'll get good return.

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:12 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I bet the Giants would trade half of their Double-A team for him!

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:20 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I wonder who would take him.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:21 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Like Ubaldo, he has too much potential to let go at this stage.

by Rox Girl on May 31, 2005 1:12 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5
No reason to move him... but he's still at least a year or two off.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:22 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I'm probably biased here, but I just don't like Neal.

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:13 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I doubt we'd get much in return.  Still, what's he done for us?

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:22 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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We don't need to move anybody still making rookie salary, unless a team demands him for helping us dump Wilson on them.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:23 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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A 85 MPH fastball is hittable from any angle thrown.

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:15 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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On a related note, he leads my dynasty in MVP Baseball with 19 SVs.

by Russ on May 31, 2005 1:19 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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It's always fun while it lasts, but that arm hardly lasts. On the otherhand, I can see him going to another team and getting completely healthy. Thus ambivalence.

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:38 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Too much potential, and his injury history kills his trade value.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:24 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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A 100 MPh fastball is not hittable from any angle thrown.

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:16 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Hopefully O'Dowd can pull off a trade like the Padres did in 2001 and get a top prospect for him. Hopefully said prospect's career would turn out better than D'Angelo Jimenez's career.

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:33 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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He's been one of the best guys in our pen to this point.  We still need to keep the future in mind and not just have a fire sale.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:25 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Can't trade a pitcher who can finally get people out in the pen!!

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:17 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Contrary to my comments on Jennings and Kennedy, there is probably a guy in our farm system who could do at least as well as Wright.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:25 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Our second best starter.

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:18 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Until he started showing that side-arm delivery promise, it was a two and maybe even a one.

by Rox Girl on May 31, 2005 1:15 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Give him another chance... he's still young (no pun intended.)

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:26 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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A month ago I wouldn't have thought him more valuable to the team than Closser, but I do now.

by Rox Girl on May 31, 2005 1:17 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Surprisingly unmoveable, considering Closser's ineptitude, his veteran leadership, hitting, and low salary.  No real reason to move him.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:27 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Only move him if it's needed to get rid of a guy like Wilson.  Perhaps the only value to moving him is that it opens a spot for Baker/Stewart, but let's worry about that when Baker and/or Stewart are actually ready.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:28 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Once again... guys making rookie salary should only be moved if we need to move them to dump Wilson.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:28 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5
For now, although he's in danger of slipping.

by Rox Girl on May 31, 2005 1:18 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5
Gotta build around someone who'll be around in the future.

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:21 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I'm of a bit different opinion, though still my general opinion that rookie salary guys should only be moved to help convince a team to take a guy like Wilson off our hands.  With Macri and Nelson (eventually) on the horizon, and Barmes slipping... who knows?

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:30 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Fans love him, I love his grit... not quite sure about the talent level, though.

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:21 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Maybe O'Dowd can get Sabean really, really drunk and convince him it's that other Gonzo...

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:45 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:31 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Only because Shealy is playing so well.  Has anyone else considered that maybe the reason Helton is hitting so poorly is that he's not getting pitches to hit?

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:32 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Not... Maybe...  Accckk...

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:22 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Aaron Miles away from being even decent.

by Russ on May 31, 2005 1:21 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I read somewhere that there was a deal in the works that would send Miles and Preston Wilson to the Braves for Marcus Giles.  What a deal that would be.

Then the Braves realized how much worse Miles was than Giles, and said no.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:33 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Here's a prospect I wouldn't mind seeing go, Jayson "I'm Laynce's brother" Nix.  Seriously, what is him being a prospect based on?  I haven't seen much.  If the hype gets us something good in return, I'm fine.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:34 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Both of his errors this year have led to runs. I know, that doesn't mean a lot, but it is certainly annoying.

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:48 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3
Who would want him?

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:34 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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With Helton blocking him, maybe we should explore it some more.

by Rox Girl on May 31, 2005 1:20 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I'd rather have Helton, so unless Shealy can learn another position he's of little use to us.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:35 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I'd rather keep Salazar

by Rox Girl on May 31, 2005 1:21 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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If we can get something for him, do it.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:35 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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AAA center fielder.

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:25 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I'm really not sure how much more value Holliday will bring in the future to the Rockies.

by Rox Girl on May 31, 2005 1:21 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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He's young yet...

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:23 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Even if he's just holding a spot down for Seth Smith.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:36 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Believe me when I say he's a stud. You just don't trade these kind of players.

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:27 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I bet the Giants would trade the other half of their Double-A team for him! Okay, probably not. Half of their Double-A team's bats? I'd take 'em.

by Lauren on May 31, 2005 1:25 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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What's he doing for us, anyway?  Other than giving Hurdle an excuse to sit Hawpe against lefties and get this guy ABs.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:36 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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No idea what we would get from trading him.  Didn't Selig say that guys who tested positive for banned substances would pretty much be blacklisted?  Wonder what happened to that.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:37 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Doubt we'd get much for him, and he could have future value for us.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:38 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Is he really a Coors Field outfielder? We won't know unless he gets a bunch of at bats up here.

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:29 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Can't trade him for anything just yet.

by Russ on May 31, 2005 1:17 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I think we have to let him heat up, too.

by Rox Girl on May 31, 2005 1:24 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I thought the whole point of the season was to dump his salary.

by Rox Fan in TN on May 31, 2005 2:39 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Hate to trade a legit clean up hitter, but we all know he's gone.

by roxhead on Jun 1, 2005 6:29 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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