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Please stop playing the stupid low payroll card: A Rockies History 2001-2006

Sorry for posting more on this, but my frustration at people that think that throwing money at a problem is the quickest and best solution is bubbling over this afternoon. I know Rockies fans are frustrated with losing. Believe me. I know the frustration. Alright, anyway, some quick historical analysis of what positions each team in the last six seasons has needed to improve to help me get focused on what I want to say here:

2001:

Why do I start with this season? Well despite the 73-89 record of the franchise, it was the last time we were even mediocre. At the start of the season the team had two stars in Larry Walker and Todd Helton but then received at least league average production at three other spots in the everyday lineup with Jeff Cirillo, Todd Walker and Juan Pierre (Pierre's OPS+ of 89 is obviously ten percent below average, but once his SB's are factored in, it gets at least to that point, of course, that's the last time as a Rockie). What really brought us up to blessed mediocrity, though, was the bench production from Juan Uribe and others. Dan O'Dowd and the team were wise in understanding they needed to address a hole in left field, but that summer they thought they needed to fill too many holes, took too many risks and have been trigger shy ever since. The moves of this summer set the team back five years.

Team Needs:

  1. Left Fielder
  2. Fifth Starter
  3. Maybe some bullpen help.
In hindsight, this was all we really needed to fix. Was Neifi a blight at the bat? Yes, but his defense was a plus, we could have addressed this at season's end. Trading away him, Astacio, Gant and several prospects that could have been used in the last five seasons proved especially costly opening gaping holes in the lineup and rotation and wound up fixing nothing. All of these needs should have been addressed in a more patient, methodical fashion.

2002:
Alright, now because of some of those moves and the collapse of Hampton/Neagle we were officialy terrible.

Team Needs:

  1. Starter #1
  2. Starter #2
  3. Starter #5
  4. Catcher
  5. Shortstop
  6. Center field
  7. Second Base
  8. Third Base
  9. Bench
How do you go about fixing this mess? What astronomical sum of money will produce a winner out of the wreckage of this team? Which prospects are you going to give up? Remember at this time that our farm -including prospects like Matt Holliday, Garrett Atkins and Jeff Francis- was lightly regarded by not only the scouting community but also the stats mavens due to the fact many of our minor league franchises play in hitter friendly environments and our seemingly best hitters were all thought to be first basemen or DH types.

As for the MLB team, four out of eight lineup spots were 30% or more below average. Three out of five rotation slots needed upgrades. The bench had one solid bat. It's a miracle this team won more than seventy games. This is when I started focusing most of my attention on the farm because it was apparent to me that winning in Colorado would take awhile.

2003:

Team Needs:

  1. Catcher
  2. Second Base
  3. Third Base
  4. Shortstop
  5. Bench
  6. Starter #1
  7. Starter #2
Again, I don't think people understand how terrible our team was. Only two needs met from the year prior in Preston Wilson and Darren Oliver in the fifth slot, although our bullpen was starting to thin and without anybody close to being a top of the rotation pitcher all the moves were meaningless. After this season the money from a couple of bad contracts starts to come off the books, but years of atrition in attendance makes pursuing risky new contracts an understandably foolish venture, as there are still way too many needs to address to make it worthwhile until we have a working pipeline of talent.

2004:

Team Needs:

  1. Catcher
  2. Shortstop
  3. Second Base
  4. Center Field
  5. Bench
  6. Starter #1
  7. Starter #5
  8. Bullpen (at least 3 members)
Now the thinning bullpen officially rears its ugly head as a team need, although Joe Kennedy does a stand-up impression as a #2 pitcher for a year. Up the middle is still an eyesore. And look at that, still eight spots to fill. Each position up the middle at this point would cost eight to ten million dollars per season to fix, as would a top of the rotation starter. You are still looking at adding at least fifty million dollars to the payroll in order to build a really competitive ballclub, even though you might be able to make the playoffs in the weak NL West with half that amount spent. I just don't see a revenue stream that justifies this.

2005:

Team Needs:

  1. Catcher
  2. Shortstop (we were assuming that Barmes would handle it, though)
  3. Second Base
  4. Center Field
  5. Starter #1
  6. Starter #3
  7. Starter #4
  8. Bullpen (2 members)
  9. Bench
What's the difference with these nine positions that need filled, and the nine that needed filled in 2002? For one, we have inside fixes for at least a couple of them, as key parts of our rotation have finally matured. Also, we'll get lucky in the offseason, as we make a good decision in regards to second base with Jamey Carroll. Still, I don't blame management for again passing up the opportunity of paying fifty million dollars to get more certain fixes everywhere else.

Which brings us to this year, 2006:

Team Needs:

  1. Center Field
  2. Catcher
  3. Shortstop
  4. Bench
  5. Starter #1
  6. Starter #5
Now that we have some momentum, all these people come crawling out of the woodwork lamenting how cheap ownership's been the last five seasons. It's inane. Not spending these past five seasons -until they had the necessary infrastructure in place- was the one smart move this ownership group has made since they bought the Rockies at the get-go. Denver is not a major media market. It never has been. It might be in the future when the coasts are all flooded due to melting ice-caps, but for now we have to be a little bit smarter than they are in New York and LA to compete, don't worry, it's not that hard of a threshold to reach. Unless fifty-thousand fans show up at Coors every night, don't expect massive expenditures on this team. The way to build is from within.

For next season we finally have legit long term answers at two more key positions, catcher and shortstop. Don't expect much more than league average production at first, but that's all we really need at the moment. As far as where any money should go, yes, center field is the correct call, but no, spending massively on a long term contract for Torii Hunter or Gary Matthews Jr is not. Neither is trying to play short-term stop-gap fix with Steve Finley or Darin Erstad. I really think we should look to give Coco Crisp a two year deal, with a mutual option for a third. I think we could make a competitive bid there. If we did want to go with a long term lucrative contract, the only player it makes sense for is Vernon Wells. Period. I actually think it would make sense to see if we could make that happen somehow. Beyond that, the rotation is a real concern, and I think management is misguided looking at the bullpen instead. But that's just me.

Anyway, I guess my point is that I wish people would just shut up about all this payroll nonsense and if they want to blame Dan O'Dowd and the Monforts for this mess, go ahead and go back to 2001 and point the fingers as they were certainly deserved then, but now it's pointless and needlessly pessimistic.

Update [2006-9-29 2:44:17 by Rox Girl]: I should have looked more closely at Crisp's contract, as OhNo points out in the comments it's fixed for the next three seasons, which means that we'd have to acquire him by trade. I say fine. Do that, as long as it's not a starting pitcher, Holliday, Atkins, Tulo or Iannetta that the Red Sox ask for. We can't afford to end up with Finley or Erstad.

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The rotation as a concern
Concern regarding what? Keeping it intact? Finding decent end-of-the-rotation guys?  

Then the team will have a hard time keeping up with what Mark at Bad Altitude wrote today:

We know for sure that the important guys will all be back, and as a worst-case scenario returns for Kim and Fogg are both possible and not at all terrifying. The Rockies' starting pitching is very, very good. This has never happened before. I'm not quite sure how to deal with it, really. The vast majority of baseball writers haven't even picked up on it yet. I've read several confused columns on the subject of starting pitching in the National League. Maybe the reason none of those writers were able to come up with a satisfactory conclusion is that they didn't even think to look where the best rotation in the NL is hiding in plain sight -- Denver. There, I said it.
Russ

by Russ on Sep 28, 2006 2:44 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The bottom of the rotation is vary much a concern
Mark's "worst case" scenario isn't close to what an actual worst case scenario is in this case, that neither Fogg nor Kim come back, or as bad, both come back as their late 2006 selves rather than their early 22006 selves and none of our promising upper minor pitchers prove ready to step in. Plus, there is some reason to believe that JJ was playing a little over his head this year, and has a good chance of regressing. I'm not sold that we're as solid there as he seems to think.

by Rox Girl on Sep 28, 2006 2:57 PM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sorry but
getting Crisp isn't that easy.  One thing Renck seems to forget about Coco Crisp in his articles is that he'll still be under the property of the Red Sox, who dealt Andy Marte for him, and tried to deal him to Chicago for Mark Buehrle!  He's since leveled off his play from his real slow start, so I doubt his value in the Red Sox's eyes has changed that much.  Besides, we're talking about a smart, saavy GM that was able to sell San Diego a month+ rental for George Kottaras.

Crisp also has a contract extention, and here's the year-by-year breakdown courtesy of Cot's Baseball Contracts:

07:$3.5M, 08:$4.75M, 09:$5.75M, 10:$8M club option ($0.5M buyout)

I expect Boston to make a strong play for Andruw Jones or Vernon Wells this off-season, which would possibly make Crisp expendable, but with a contract under five mil per, they could just as easy retain him as a fourth outfielder/speed specialist.  

So Crisp is still going to draw a sizable return, and one that could cost a Brad Hawpe, or Jeff Baker, or Seth Smith (remember they did want one of our big three starters, so they aren't just going to settle for Kim again.)

To top it off, Crisp just wasn't that good this year, and his reputation will still carry him through trade.  He's a very risky proposition, because we will have to give Boston something of value, and that something isn't Barmes, Sullivan, Closser, Torrealba, etc.

Crisp is just a name to keep fans interested.  We know this team's recent history, and can begin to roll out the welcome mat for either Finley or Erstad...talk about improvement..but hey, at least it will give us more Ringolsby and Harding propaganda pieces that outline the tremendous "leadership intangibles" and "veteran presence" these guys bring, not to mention .200 batting averages and deteriorating defensive skills...

by David "ohno" on Sep 28, 2006 8:40 PM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know what's going to happen
They always put out groups of names like that and then we always seem to end up with the least of the bunch. In this case it means we'll wind up playing with Erstad or Finley. You're right, of course, but I'm just saying the center field free agent market isn't worth it this season, unless they go after Wells, Andruuw or Crisp or another player already under contract. The rest, including Hunter, Pierre, Matthews, etc... all cost too much for the kind of production they'd bring. Crisp is the only bargain of the bunch, his down year is at least partly attributable to playing with the injury and might have been significantly effected by it. That's why I said we should go after him as none of the others could say as much.

I should have looked closer at his contract, as I was just spouting off in reaction to things I'd been reading in the papers and on fan boards. The main point of this piece had little to do with center or any other position of need, and more to do with what I perceive to be either a lack of understanding of the basics of baseball finance on the part of outside observers or a lack of what it would have taken to repair this team over the last five seasons. This season is a little different and with a working talent pipeline we actually could afford to lose a Smith, a Hawpe or a Baker to get an upgrade in center. We've got more outfield help on the way in the other two, plus Gaetti, Miller and even possibly Ian Stewart.

by Rox Girl on Sep 29, 2006 12:40 AM MDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, I'm late on this but...
I heard one option the Rockies are thinking about is moving Hawpe to Center Field, and playing Baker full time in RF.  Personally I like the idea of this one. CF in Coors Field is hard, and I'm not sure Hawpe has the range, but I (and the Rockies) think he has the arm to make up for it.

While, I've cooled on Hawpe's potential, I like it better then Finley or Erstad, who are both old, and on the end of their careers. Especially using Freeman, or Spillbourghs as a 4th OF rotation. Crisp I like, but I'm afraid, the Red Sox will really rip off whoever trades for him. When the Rockies had asked about him before the trading dead line, Boston wanted Iannetta, AND one of our starting 3.

Redhawk

by Redhawk on Sep 30, 2006 9:26 AM MDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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