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  • Troy Renck, Jim Armstrong, and Patrick Saunders sat down for a roundtable discussion on the Rockies. Jim Armstrong wouldn't be surprised if the Rockies make a run at a FA pitcher during July to put them over the top. I guess Armstrong really means a FA-pitcher-to-be via trade, because any free agent pitcher out there in July won't require any of the extra money the Rockies will take in as a result of appearing in the World Series last season. Though, having to trade for a pitcher to put the team over the top would seem to imply that someone in the back three spots failed to perform up to expectations.

    They also discuss the lineup and who poses the biggest threat in the NL West (hint: it's not the Giants).

  • Matt Holliday makes a joke:
    Matt Holliday, amused by the trash talking between the Mets and Phillies, joked, "I think we should be the favorite in the NL East."

    Will Jimmy Rollins accuse Holliday of plagiarism after saying that?
  • Clint Barmes is taking grounders at third. He believes he'll see some time in the outfield as he also competes for a utility spot in addition to the second base job. Baker received praise from Hurdle after some double play drills.
  • John Sickels examines Chris Iannetta:
    Basically, if they let Iannetta play, I think he will bounce back just fine [. . .] I think I overreacted to the gaudy numbers at Tulsa. In retrospect, I think my earlier assessment of Iannetta back in 2006 was the right one: he's a .250-.260 hitter (neutral park) in the majors, with enough walks for a nice OBP, some power, and solid glovework. Not a star, but a solid guy.

    That's always the catch: if he plays.

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That's pretty funny. The idea was to put together a sort of expert panel but then they add in the one columnist who has little clue about baseball to their two baseball only guys. I wonder what Renck and Saunders really thought when he said that.

That said, the Rockies are interested in at least one free agent pitcher (Rodrigo) that might not sign until July, so Armstrong has an escape that will make him seem less foolish should he choose to use it.

I found Harding's article at the official site about Garrett working on his defense encouraging, but it's interesting to note that Gallego thinks he's underrated. The numbers make it pretty clear that isn't the case.

by Rox Girl on Feb 24, 2008 9:12 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Potential 25 man
Busy time of year at work for me so I haven't had much time to get caught up on ST.

TGFPR!!

Anyway - Of those in camp, who is locked to make the 25 man and who is battling it out.

Thanks a ton!!

TGFPR!!

by jlot10 on Feb 24, 2008 10:11 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: 25 Man
Locks:

Taveras
Tulo
Holliday
Helton
Atkins
Hawpe
Torrealba
Francis
Cook
Jimenez
Corpas
Fuentes
Vizcaino

Near locks:
Herges
Spilborghs
Buchholz

Battling:

Second base/utility infielders (2)
Nix
Barmes
Stewart
Baker
Quintanilla
Giles

Backup catcher:
Iannetta
Bellorin

Fifth outfielder:

Sullivan
Podsednik
Smith

Starting rotation/swing:

Redman
Morales
Hirsh
Wells
Towers

Relief:

Capellan
Speier
Morillo
Clarke
Newman
Ramirez
Zambrano

There's probably somebody I'm forgetting to include in the pitcher category, but I think those are the main competitors.

by Rox Girl on Feb 24, 2008 10:37 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My only change to this
would be to put Barmes in the "near Lock" category as the Utility IF position.  Only two with a chance to beat him out for this back up spot would be Giles if he can play SS or Q.....and I don't see how Barmes loses to either of these guys. Spillbourghs as well.

Here's my prediction of your 25 man roster breaking camp sorta...so you can see roster battles (sure it's not quite what the other poster asked for........)

Starters:
Taveras
Tulowitzki
Holliday
Helton
Atkins
Hawpe
Torrealba
2ndbaseman (Nix or Baker)
Pitcher

Bench:
Barmes (Utility)
Spillbourghs (RH OF platoon w/ Hawpe)
Back-up Catcher (Iannetta OR Bellorian)
Lefty PH/OF (Smith OR Podsednik OR Sullivan)
Last Bench Spot: (Baker/Nix loser OR one of the 3 lefty OF's, or Giles or Q if Baker wins and Nix goes back to AAA, or Stewart in a long shot) This one is wide open.

Starting Rotation:
Francis
Cook
Jimenez
Hirsh *
Morales *

Bullpen:
Redman (lefty swing man)
Herges
Buchholtz
OPEN *
Vizciano (7th)
Fuentes (8th)
Corpas (9th Closer)

* Kip Wells looks to have the inside track if Hirsh or Morales stumble, but it's their jobs to lose and their names aren't written in ink. You could see Morales and Redman switch roles if they think Morales needs big league experience but with less pressure of starting.  Wells also looks to have the inside shot at the last Bullpen job.  Or one of the list of: Speier, Morillo, Ramirez, Clark, Capellan, Newman in that order for the last pen spot.  Like Rox Girl points out there is some spots here that can be won or lost.

I miss Kaz! He really could Rock-a-Rhyme, even if it was Tricky

by Redhawk on Feb 24, 2008 11:26 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Morales
I am not sure I understand the reasoning behind pushing Morales into the #5 slot coming out of spring training - unless, of course the veterans the Rockies signed are not capable of providing some quality major league innings.  Maybe someone here can help change my mind.  Don't get me wrong, I see Morales as an excellent prospect and a crucial part of the rotation for years to come.

However, I imagine the Rockies will attempt to limit his innings this year to around 160-170, to avoid pushing his young arm too much. Rather than shutting him down early, or pulling him after a few innings in games in August, why not leave him in extended spring training (if that is possible - not sure on the rules for that) to build his arm strength more slowly.  Then give him a few, low pressure starts in AAA to prepare for a late spring call up.  

In the meantime, this would allow one or two of the veteran FA to eat up some innings in April when it is invariably 40 degrees and drizzling rain.  I would not want my star prospect  on the mound in that weather anyway.  That also gives the Rockies the opportunity to showcase one of the veterans as possible trade bait in late spring/early summer as teams around the league experience injuries.

Just a thought...

by Fos on Feb 24, 2008 12:03 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if..
The Rockies would handle Franklin similar to the pitching situation that Taylor Bucholz was put in last year. Starting him in the pen so that he can feel more comfortable at the big league level, and then moving him in the starting role as injuries and fatigue take their toll.

Franklin pitched well as a starter until the playoffs when he was thrown off his game by the two balk calls. Which showed me that he still needs a little more maturity to overcome those situations. BTW, Taylor did much better as a reliever than a starter, ERA was around 2.2 as a reliever and 5+ as a starter.

There's only one Rocktober!!

by Charlie77 on Feb 24, 2008 12:19 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While I've not seen any indication of this
I've thought the Rockies should do to Morales what the Mariners did the Felix Hernandez and the Indians did to Sabathia, which was to really, really restrict pitch counts and innings, so they rarely went beyond 5 innings per start when they first came up, then each year, expand him. Hernandez even complained that the Mariners limited him throwing breaking balls like his slider. That way Morales doesn't over throw while still learning, but getting experience in the big leagues.

Granted both of these guys were in the AL where bullpens tend me more rested due to the DH.

Personally...I don't see how even a young, inexperienced, easily rattled Morales is worse then an experienced Wells or Towers. Same with Jason Hirsh.  

I miss Kaz! He really could Rock-a-Rhyme, even if it was Tricky

by Redhawk on Feb 24, 2008 12:41 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Random question
Are taylor and clay buchholz of the red sox related, brothers, cousins anything?

by 4atjc4 on Feb 24, 2008 8:43 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not related
as far as I know. Taylor is from Pennsylvania and Clay is from Texas.

Odd last name to have 2 pitchers about the same age make it to the majors at the same time.

I miss Kaz! He really could Rock-a-Rhyme, even if it was Tricky

by Redhawk on Feb 25, 2008 9:22 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Agree
I think Morales needs to go back to the Minors and work on control. When he dominates the PCL the Rockies will have very little choice but to bring him up as a starter. This way his innings and pitch counts will be watched he won't be overworked. I think the "veteran" starter that makes the rotation will pitch like Fogg did because that is the type of pitcher the Rox are looking for.
As for Iannetta, I hope he gets a chance. With him not getting to play very much in the Majors last year the best thing for him was to go down and work. This year should be different and I hope he makes a strong case for himself and he gets significantly more playing time. I do not want to see him only on Sunday afternoons in the high heat of the summer.
GO ROCKIES!!! JFK

by jrockies on Feb 24, 2008 2:06 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

everyone seems to agree....
that Wells has the inside track toward the number 5 slot if Morales isn't ready, but I'm not sure I understand why.

Wells hasn't had a WHIP under 1.5 since 2003, he was pretty awful last year and even worse the year before.  Towers, on the other hand, is coming over from the AL, which should help his ERA, pitched better than Wells last year (5.27 ERA as starter vs. 6.27) and was actually pretty decent as recent as 2005.  I would think that Towers would be the better bet to put up Fogg-like numbers than Wells, yet everyone seems to be thinking Wells is the better pitcher--heck, even the Rockies invested a lot more money in Wells.

by DenverBears on Feb 24, 2008 12:57 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think
anyone would have a hard time making a case for either of these pitchers based off their stats.  But Wells is a little bigger, and throws a little harder (granted that's not too hard to do when Towers rarely can hit 90mph).

Also Wells last year did ok in a few relief appearances (8) last year, which shows he still had something even while leading the league in L's

The point about Towers coming from the AL East could be valid.

Personally I hope we don't have to see either of these guys in the Rotation and Morales comes out this spring, and looks like the Little Johan he can be.

I miss Kaz! He really could Rock-a-Rhyme, even if it was Tricky

by Redhawk on Feb 25, 2008 9:59 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Couple of questions
First thanks to the both of you for the help.  Much appreciated.
  1. How good is Hirsh?? I thought he was the best pitcher in AA and AAA when he was at those stops? Could he suprise us and throw like a #3 or maybe even a #2??
  2. How much of a window does Stewart have before he gets to be an "old" prospect?? Doesn't sound like he has much of a shot at making this roster.  I know he's only going to be 23 just after the start of the season, but he's had 4 years in the minors already.
  3. Same question for Iannetta? He'll be 25 and if he needs to catch everyday he'll need to be in the Springs.  
  4. Last question -  When does the 2007 NL Champs Banner go up!!!!!
TGFPR!!

by jlot10 on Feb 24, 2008 8:19 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll give some of this a shot
but I think we have better baseball minds here on the Row than I am
  1. well, that's one of the big question now isn't it?  I think Hirsh is good, or will be.  It takes time to learn to pitch to major league hitters. Hirsch isn't overpowering, but he's almost, which I think is/was part of the problem.  In the minors he could over match a lot of hitters..in the bigs he couldn't, and he tried to pitch differently.  He's still making that adjustment.  I think he could be a solid #3 type pitcher...even a #2.  Or he will struggle with command and confidence, and be a #4/5.  Personally I think he needs confidence and innings, and he'll be just fine.  In fact he could surprise.
  2. I'll let others have this...but yes his window is closing.  Is he still a "can't miss prospect?" I think you could get a nice debate going on that one.
  3. Window is closing, but the fact the Rockies want him to play everyday in AAA tells me they still see him with a future as a starter.  Personally I don't see Iannetta being that good, nor that bad.  The fact that he couldn't beat out Torrealba and his hurt shoulder last year doesn't give me much hope.
  4. I haven't seen but on Saturday of the Opening Weekend the give away is a mini pennant to the fans.  I'll say you will see it opening day...and they will make a big deal of it on Saturday.  On Monday the promotion is replica rings for the fans..so I'm guessing the ring ceremony will be Monday.  But those are just guesses 'cause if you use this logic Tuesday is Hebrew National $1 Hot Dog night, which would be we are celebrating our Jewish ballplayers...or our outlandish flair of play (hot dogging)
I miss Kaz! He really could Rock-a-Rhyme, even if it was Tricky

by Redhawk on Feb 25, 2008 9:46 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

another part of the Iannetta post....
2008 projections:
Shandler: .259/.347/.406
James: .274/.370/.435
ZIPS: .269/.359/.421
Sickels: .272/.365/.415

Note this was Torrealba's 2007 line:
.255/.323/.376

I don't think we can expect much improvement on Yorvit's numbers from last year, so we should look for pretty much the same.

I'd really prefer to have Iannetta getting most of the starts this year.

by DenverBears on Feb 24, 2008 11:45 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm starting to get excited about baseball again
I got really upset with it during the Mitchell Report time, but now it's just the game again, without all the other stuff...and I can't wait. :)
I'm heading for Columbia University next year!!!!

by Squeaky on Feb 24, 2008 1:26 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Joke
is true because the Rockies are the Defending National League Champions. If I remember correctly the Rockies swept the Phillies in the playoffs, and they swept the Mets just before the all star break. Does this not make the Rockies the team to beat? I think it does.
GO ROCKIES!!! JFK

by jrockies on Feb 27, 2008 5:17 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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