A stand for Rockies Ladies Night is a stand for democracy

by Rox Girl on Mar 4, 2008 9:16 AM MST in Rockpile

Most of the blogs here at SBN avoid political discussions in the sports realm, but I've held that sometimes the twain have to meet and today's a good example. Russ pointed out a story in today's Rockpile that's kind of gotten my goat, so here goes:

At its basis the idea of creating equality between all people is a value we've treasured as Americans since the inception of our nation, so it might be easy to sympathize with the man on a mission to end a perceived bias toward females in discounting Wednesday night ticket prices if his whole life pointed toward making things right for the wronged, yada yada yada.

Unfortunately that's not the case, Stephen Horner has instead spent most of his adult life trying to make things right for Stephen Horner and that is all. Horner claims that why he's on this crusade to end ladies night discounts across the spectrum is to create equality between the sexes, but his real goal, which he has stated often enough in the past in both his own publications and published interviews is to push society back to a point where men maintain complete autonomy over women:

"Here's what I'm fighting," Horner tells me, his voice warming as his eyes lock mine in a glacial stare. "Women believe they were put here by God to be parents. And they aren't going to let us men tell them what to do. And I'm willing to say that's wrong, and as a result people say I'm angry. I'm not angry. I don't have a history of violence. I just come on strong and break people's comfort zones."

So what we have here is a first class control freak who'd seemingly be most comfortable in a Taliban type of society, forcibly using the courts to impose his personal mores on the whole population. That's not equality, to me that's one guy getting his way at the expense of the majority.

Specifically by solely targeting women with this crusade of his -all women, btw, not just the feminists he says he's opposed to- Horner shows his true stripes. Think of it this way, he's not taking hotels to court for offering discounts to seniors, or to the privileged class that can afford AAA discounts by membership in that club.

He doesn't utter a peep about private golf clubs like Augusta National that bar females, because this is the way he wants all of society to be. It's not what's right for the goose is right for the gander, for him, it's all gander and no goose. Normally I wouldn't spend much time on a guy like Horner, but this fanaticism of his that is willfully trying to impose his lifestyle on all of us has found enough traction in the court system that I think it's important that more people stand up and tell him to sit down, shut up, and, ahem, take it like a man.

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This guy has tried to eliminate "Ladies nights" at bars, and has threatened to sue. And I know it's worked, as I've seen a few clubs drop their "Ladies night" promotions, or add "guys night" so it's balanced.

Yes, he's correct that it's discrimination, or preferential treatment, based on a person's sex. But he's doing this from a wrong spot, not to build someone up, but rather to tear some group down.

There's not a single straight guy alive besides this guy that won't pay to go to a place where the female numbers are high..if that's because of some promotion, well, God Bless 'em all, everyone wins, even the guys that are "discriminated" against.

Some people have too much free time.

I miss Kaz! He really could Rock-a-Rhyme, even if it was Tricky

by Redhawk on Mar 4, 2008 9:37 AM MST reply actions

guys night out

Do the Rockies still do guys night out on Tuesdays? My wife and I have been doing the ladies night deal for the past 4 years and it's a great deal. You don't even need to be female to use the tickets, just to buy them. How does this guy have a leg to stand on?

by labajas on Mar 4, 2008 9:52 AM MST reply actions

It's the free tickets

The Rockies do have a Tuesday "Guys Night Out" package promotion...but it doesn't have free tickets. The Rox give out free tickets to every female coming through the gate during Wednesday nights. Which is not to be confused with the "Girls Night Out" ticket package, which is a ticket to every Wednesday game (except this year the Cubs game). Which is really a bargain for any woman that buys that package, cause not only do they get good cheap seats, they get a coupon to be used for any future game.

I miss Kaz! He really could Rock-a-Rhyme, even if it was Tricky

by Redhawk on Mar 4, 2008 11:16 AM MST up reply actions

I don't know why I mixed up his name

I do that sometimes, and I want to apologize to any Steve Fosters I might have offended by associating with this low-life. Stephen Horner's the nitwit here.

by Rox Girl on Mar 4, 2008 10:49 AM MST reply actions

Hey, I love Ladies Nights

I'm a woman, I am a college student therefore poor, I love going to Rockies games, but can't otherwise afford it on a regular basis. If it gets a few women who are actual fans rather than who go to goggle at the men, I'm all for it. And Stephen Horner can go sit in his little corner and be lonely and misogynistic and angry, and I will go to the ballpark on a long summer's evening with my sister and my free ticket, have a hot dog and watch batting practice, and I'll be good with life. Too bad he can't do likewise.

"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 4, 2008 11:39 AM MST reply actions

Ladies Night is great

Any man who has ever gone to a bar when it's not ladies' night should hate Stephen Horner and his stupid crusade. It's not rocket science: bars have ladies' night, let women in for free and give them drink specials so that they'll come, because a lot of women don't normally like going to bars that much. When the girls come, the guys come, too, because we're stupid, especially when we're drunk.

I don't know how that applies to baseball games, but a lot of women I know don't like going to baseball games, either, and if the Rockies want to convince some of them to come to the ballpark by giving them discounted tickets, who cares? Maybe they'll come to the ballpark and decide that they like baseball. And I think that if more women liked baseball, the world would be a much better place. At least, like it to the point where they understand why I would want to sit around with a beer and watch a baseball game.

http://mvn.com/mlb-rockies: The best thing to happen to baseball since 1993.

by Rox Fan in TN on Mar 4, 2008 12:15 PM MST reply actions

I just hope this jerk

doesn't succeed in getting Ladies Night taken away from the rest of us. I'm going to have a big problem if that happens.

"Everyone was running up to me, saying, 'Manny! Manny!' I signed a lot of autographs and got to eat for free. It was bueno."

by Silverblood on Mar 4, 2008 12:24 PM MST reply actions

Wasn't that guy

on the Daily Show a while back? They made fun of him a lot... and got Kool and the Gang to say he's "not right."

http://mvn.com/mlb-rockies: The best thing to happen to baseball since 1993.

by Rox Fan in TN on Mar 4, 2008 12:45 PM MST up reply actions

And he was

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=81960&title=sexual-stealing

http://mvn.com/mlb-rockies: The best thing to happen to baseball since 1993.

by Rox Fan in TN on Mar 4, 2008 12:47 PM MST up reply actions

This is all so whack

The Rockies are using an age-old marketing ploy, as Redhawk noted. More girls (even with free tickets) means more guys buying tickets and, most likely, more beer. If you've priced beer at the ballpark lately, you have an idea of the profit margin attached to that tasty commodity. Big honkin' deal.

Is it discrimination that fan #30,001 doesn't get a free mouse pad at the gate?

This guy's a jerk, with way too much free time. The other side of this is: Don't our courts have more important things to decide? A few free tickets, given to whoever the Rockies so choose, doesn't seem to strike me as important as legitimate discrimination cases.

2007 National League Champions, baby!

by rockhead on Mar 4, 2008 2:47 PM MST reply actions

This guy is a monument dickbag

I don't hear him crusading to allow men to wait tables at Hooters, although he might as well. He's one of those people that for some reason want to ruin things that everyone else likes.

rockies in october.

by LarryB303 on Mar 4, 2008 3:41 PM MST reply actions

"monumental"

My angry insult really lost steam because of that. Too bad.

rockies in october.

by LarryB303 on Mar 4, 2008 3:42 PM MST up reply actions

Actually,

He has crusaded to wait tables at Hooters, the article to the second link has the story about how it led to a thirty day jail stint for harassing a Human rights commission emplyee in Minnesota. He uses language a little too colorful for the blog, but I encourage you to read about half way down the article for that story.

by Rox Girl on Mar 4, 2008 3:50 PM MST up reply actions

Heh

I'm not sure men have the proper, um, equipment to wait tables at Hooters.

http://mvn.com/mlb-rockies: The best thing to happen to baseball since 1993.

by Rox Fan in TN on Mar 4, 2008 4:27 PM MST up reply actions

Akward subject

I am not offended by this subject, anyone's opinions on this subject or the fact that this subject is being discussed here but I would like to state that I can't help but feel that any dissenting opinions would be unwise and detrimental to a participant's standing here (whether officially or just socially).

by MADness on Mar 4, 2008 4:51 PM MST reply actions

I don't think so

I really don't think people who disagree with ladies nights on the grounds of fairness legitimately have to worry about their standing at Purple Row. Frankly, I find the idea as it relates to college aged coeds and places that serve alcohol more than a little disturbing. It's just that this guy should in no way be the spokesperson for that cause. After reading so much about him, there's no way that I can come away with the impression that he's doing this for fairness' sake at all.

by Rox Girl on Mar 4, 2008 5:17 PM MST up reply actions

No doubt

There is no doubt that he is an idiot and his actions have a lot more to do with his own issues than with any social, cultural or legal issue that needs to be addressed.

Even a true misogynist wouldn't be likely to enjoy this man's company.

That doesn't change the fact that gender issues are a no-win subject that draw emotional rather than logical responses the majority of the time (much like religion, politics, etc.).

by MADness on Mar 4, 2008 7:24 PM MST up reply actions

My point being

The only reason that I brought this up is that it seemed a bit misleading to let the lack of dissenting opinions be solely interpreted as evidence of some sort of community wide agreement.

by MADness on Mar 4, 2008 7:28 PM MST up reply actions

I'll jump in to say that I don't totally disagree

With this guy's position from a philosophical standpoint.

However life is much, much too short to waste on inconsequential issues such as this. Sure, employment, housing, medical care, college admission - that stuff is important. Free baseball tickets and alcoholic beverages, nah.

by Roberbola on Mar 4, 2008 5:56 PM MST reply actions

My problem is...

That this clown is clogging up the civil process with his silly lawsuits to stop what we, in the main, consider a generally accepted marketing practice. Can't he just get a constructive hobby? Come on, Steve! You're not being denied a civil liberty, you're just wasting the public's time and money.

by Since1993 on Mar 4, 2008 7:38 PM MST reply actions

Amen!

And creating a divisive situation when no problem, other than his own, existed.

2007 National League Champions, baby!

by rockhead on Mar 4, 2008 8:31 PM MST up reply actions

I'm shocked

that any lawyer worth his salt would take this guy's case. I don't know if he's going it on his own or what.

http://mvn.com/mlb-rockies: The best thing to happen to baseball since 1993.

by Rox Fan in TN on Mar 4, 2008 10:30 PM MST up reply actions

LET'S NOT GIVE THE GUY ANOTHER FORUM AND...

then we make a phone call and have him whacked!

92 in 08

by 86 wins in 07 on Mar 4, 2008 9:10 PM MST reply actions

If Ladies Night goes...

I'm going to be SO upset. And I'm a girl...I don't see what's wrong with it. If it gets more ladies in to fall in love with baseball, or have a good time with their friends, what's wrong with it? Baseball, as my government teacher says, is the perfect forum for intelligent conversation...and not so intelligent conversation...

Anyway. I really like Ladies Night...I'm planning to live off them this summer.

by Squeaky on Mar 4, 2008 10:12 PM MST reply actions

personally

I can KINDA understand if he is saying they ladies get a night of free stuff, why cant the guys? But the guys have a guys night out thing too.

i dont see what his problem is. i hate people that are dumb like this. ladies he is not an example of a good man. there are plenty of good men out there, just gotta dig through the garbage to find him. Im free this weekend... just kidding.

well thats my lecture for the month stay tuned in april when we talk about how to contain anger after hurdle makes a dumb move.

At least the broncos dont totally suck

by roxfan4life on Mar 4, 2008 10:46 PM MST reply actions